I am a liberal and I hate Clinton. Thanks for the stereotype, though, UC. "This is what makes us non-liberals"? Honestly? So, okay, in that vein, then GWB is the reason I'm a non-conservative! Or non-idiot for that matter. Seriously, I hate Bill Clinton, and he is not representative of the liberal community as a whole, neither do I think GWB is representative of all conservatives. Nevertheless, UC, your facts up there.... eeee, you probably shoulda checked 'em out first. See, Clinton in fact WASN'T the first impeached president. Andrew Johnson, the guy who took over after Lincoln's assassination, was impeached, over a hundred years before Clinton. But since you're stubborn and trying to argue a point, you're gonna just ignore our first 40 presidents and go ahead and make a bunch of bogus claims.

Now again, I say, I do not like Bill Clinton, and if Hillary wins this General Election, I'm moving out of the country. But still, so much of those controversies were just people cashing in on the Monica scandal. So very little of it is actually credible, like that rape.

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Bill's Wagging His Finger Again

In the wake of Hillary Clinton's disastrous performance in the last Democratic debate, her "gallant" husband, Bill, has joined in the ludicrous attempt at spin to limit the damage to Hillary's credibility. In spite of the campaign's insistence that Hillary is not playing the female victim of the "Boys' Club" of presidential contenders, we still see the anger at Tim Russert for having the temerity to ask a pointed question with a pointed follow-up. Believe it or not, the Clinton camp thinks that Hillary has been victimized by the news media in their questioning. (Mainstream News Media no less). For once, someone had the courage to ask her a hard question and insist on an answer. Now, Bill has jumped into the fray.

This time, Bill has once again wagged that famous finger of his at the press and warned them not to "Swift-Boat" his wife. I have a couple of thoughts about Mr Clinton's words. First of all, the last time we saw Clinton wag his finger, I believe he was telling the press and America that "he did not have sexual relations with that woman" (Ms Lewinsky). That, it turned out, was one of the greatest and most convincing lies a president ever told the American people. Most of us have thus concluded that whenever Mr Clinton wags his finger (or bites his lower lip), falsehoods are on the way.

In addition, Clinton's protests belie the claim that Hillary is strong enough to run on her own, independent of Bill. The truth is that she has ridden his coattails ever since he entered public life. Does anyone really believe that Hillary would be a presidential candidate or even a US Senator had she not been married to Bill? Of course, we are expected to believe that her experience as First Lady "uniquely qualifies" her to be President. Yet, the Clintons have succeeded in keeping any and all documents from the Clinton Administration that pertain to Hillary from public view.

But I degress. As for his reference to "Swiftboating", Mr Clinton was referring to the campaign by Viet Nam Swiftboat veterans in the 2004 election that questioned John Kerry's Viet Nam War experience. Now, I have written before, and will repeat that I, as a Viet Nam Era veteran who served in Germany, would never criticize or question Kerry's military credentials. As for the Swiftboat veterans, in my view, they did have the standing and the right to speak out. That leads me to my point: How dare Bill Clinton make any negative references to those Swiftboat veterans-people who served in Viet Nam while Clinton was hiding from the draft through trickery, lies and deceit? Bill Clinton is a bonafide, certified draft dodger, and anything relating to Viet Nam is an area he would be best advised to stay away from.

But with his cojones, you can bet Bill will keep digging himself deeper. The question is whether the Mainstream News Media will follow Russert's lead and keep asking Hillary the questions they should have been asking for years, which they must know she cannot handle well. I have a few suggestions.

One- Mrs Clinton, do you and/or your husband have any overseas bank accounts in, say, Switzerland for example-or any other country?

Two- In the light of the release of Kathleen Willey's book, do you believe that charges made by her, Paula Jones, Juanita Broaderick and Jennifer Flowers were false?

Three- Could you please tell us what, if any actions, you took to have those women investigated and discredited.

Now, I have no idea how Mrs Clinton would answer those questions- whether she would lie, deny, spin or what. But wouldn't it be worthwhile to get her on record in a public forum?

It must have been a great shock to the Clinton camp when Russert asked her about illegal licenses for illegal aliens. Now I can understand why the Democrats refused to debate in front of Fox News. We should watch Hillary closely in her answers, and we should watch the Mainstream News Media closely in their questions.

gary fouse
fousesquawk

C.B...thanks for the political education jackass!

Clinton was not the only President to be impeached - Andrew Johnson, the 17th President, was the first.
Research and get your information right before launching baseless attacks, jackass.

BC Forever!

Oh, and Small'L', just a friendly tip: Before you attack someone based on spelling and grammar, just remember that it's better to just not say anything because all it really proves is that you're an asshole, conservative or not.

So you make a claim that "the Clinton Administration holds the all-time record" for all that crap, and you cite a propaganda webpage that doesn't have any outside, reputable sources or proof of such claims, as your source and you expect me to buy this?

Hey, he wasn't the first president to be impeached. Look at your own source. You're really slacking on your research there, friend.

Read your source. If it happened, he WOULD be the first president to be disbarred from practicing law.

Dude, if someone was going after you, whether you did it or not, for sexual harassment for 4 years, would you get a little tired of it. He settled because he "has decided he is not prepared to spend one more hour on this matter." Besides, read into the article, you'll see that Jones has some $800,000 in legal bills to pay.

Credible? Ha! So... someone who files court papers calling the alleged sexual assault "untrue" at first, but then after being persuaded, changes her story is, by your standard, credible?

The first to pardon a drug dealer? That I'm not unsure about... But he certainly wasn't the last: President Bush Pardons 14 People -
Man Convicted Of Bombing Coal Mine Among Those Granted Clemency. I'm pretty sure that makes Bush, "Mr. Anti-terrorist," the first president to pardon a TERRORIST. Hmm...

Please provide a reliable source that he was the first to have sex with an intern. Also, he was not the first president to have an extra-marital affair: George H. W. Bush affair controversy.

He betrayed his country? The link for your source doesn't work. Is your site working right? (pun intended).

Well, that's technically true... but then you may be responsible for an all out nuclear war. Consider the following hypothetical situation: Let's say you drop a bubble gum wrapper on the street in New York City. "Someone will inevitably pick it up," you think to yourself. Well, they are a convicted felon on parol in a work program. They decide that they're tired of picking up your garbage all day for less than minimum wage. They go into their boss' office and tell them they quit. The boss immediately calls the felon's parol officer and explains the situation. One condition of his parole is to maintain a steady job. The police try to arrest him, but he flees. There is a high speed chase on the freeway. He ends up escaping the police because the pursuit is too dangerous to continue. He ends up in Mexico. Dog the Bounty Hunter goes to Mexico and brings him back here. Dog the Bounty Hunter is subsequently arrested himself, as cross-border bounty hunting is illegal in Mexico. The U.S. calls for his release, but it is denied by the Mexican government. The U.S. congress declares war on Mexico and sends the military to invade, and subsequently free Dog. Mexico calls their ally Cuba, who calls their ally Russia. Sides are taken and the whole world is in conflict. China bombs San Francisco with a thermo-nuclear warhead. The U.S. retaliates, and China's allies retaliate, and our allies retaliate until the entire Earth is decimated by nuclear war.

All because you didn't put your gum wrapper in a trash can. See, even you can't be held for actions where the outcome is impossible to predict.

I guess I'm a... Clintonista, lol. But I don't worship him. See, he did do some great things, he did some pretty dumb things. What annoys me is the fact that he's still being blamed for things happening now, and he hasn't been in office for almost 8 years. Was I blaming Bush 1.0 for things happening during the last year in The Age of Clinton (may he live forever?) No. See, when something bad happens, it's Clinton's fault; but when something good happens, it was Bush's brilliance and strength (ha!). That's the problem. The double standard. The false superiority. The broad generalizations and name calling. "Clinton did this bad thing, and this bad thing, and this bad thing..." coming from people who are no saints themselves, I'm sure. Go ahead, shake those fingers at us Clintonistas and liberal dogs, "BAD liberal... NO! You don't do that. You don't increase the education budget. You know better than that," but at least throw us a bone now and then.

Okay, I would like to just get a few points across before I begin. I am but a simple high school student on summer vacation, and while I would like to believe I am very worldly and informed, I'm probably not. Be that as it may, I do know enough to make a few points of my own.

Yavor-

You disgust me. You lambaste us the minute we seem to lump all liberals together, but you feel free to do the same to us, since you obviously have the moral high ground. You lump all of the republicans under the same banner. The religious right, the neo-cons. While I may dislike a great deal of their policies, we have to at least attempt to stick together, lest the democrats run roughshod over us.

Perhaps the reason you only see the uneducated republicans is because that's what you want to see. You want so desperately to feel superior to us that you ignore all evidence to the contrary. Judging by the opinion you seem to have of us, I believe you would call that a conservative trait. Fancy that.

Oh, Hitler. A disgusted, twisted, deluded man who ordered the murders of millions of people. Yes, he definitely makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, seeing as how I'm a gun toting, xenophobic neo-con with an irrational hatred of homosexuals. Again, with the lumping people together. You're twisted.

Now, for point by point dismissal of your last post:

1. Past the peak of its arc. Sure, but if you would care to look at the political history of this nation, you would see that the door swings both ways. Public opinion is a sine wave. It changes over time, going one way, than the other.

2. Sure. But remember, money and power are what people generally want. So, unless you want to be completely destitute, you seem to be a bit of a hypocrite, as everything you've already said lends evidence to.

3. Yes, we're all afraid. Fear is healthy, if used in the proper amounts at the proper times. The people who are afraid of walking home through a crime riddled district and as a result carry a gun, or a stun gun if they don't want to have blood on their hands, probably have a better chance of keeping both their money and their lives. the people who are without fear are either the people who are crazy, or have adequate protection.

4. Agreed, but I'm reasonably certain that the word you wanted to use was 'Whether' and not 'Weather' which describes (generally) the water cycle of evaporation, condensation and precipitation.

5. You do have some valid points, which just goes to show that you shouldn't condemn people because some of their views coincide with a group you hate.

Lastly, "Good will prevail over evil in time"? Back to the name calling, are we?

In short, judging by the evidence I have in front of me, you are a petty person with inferiority problems who needs to insult people in an effort to feel superior.

As for me, I'm just speaking as a person who's sick of the hypocrisies of those who would speak for liberals.

Jane-
If you just read this "string" in the forum, you might have difficulty understanding my points. I post to several areas in this blog.

Jane- here are my hit points:

1.The conservative "movement" has just passed the peak of it's "arc" and
is in the final stages of it's life.

2. The neo-con leadership are not true conservatives and are in it for power and money - for themselves only. They are the Good-old-boys from Texas.

3. Conservative philosophy is bankrupt at it's core. it is anti-life and purely the embodied philosophy of fearful people. I am afraid of my neighbors, I need guns. I am afraid of other countries, I need a big army. I am afraid of tomorrow, the old ways are best. I am afraid of others, we need a wall at the border. I am afraid of death, I need religion. They appear bold and brash, because they are afraid of everything.

4. America's experiment is weather - when you mix the people of earth together and give them democracy, can they survive and prosper. It is not - can European Protestants maintain rule over a mix of ethnic peoples. If we don't succeed in this great experiment, it is a terrible indictment of humanity itself.

5. The Conservative revolution has such momentum, power, money and control, that it will over-shoot even it's own stated goals. Were it's concepts viable, we should be in the golden age in the US. Instead, we are universally hated, our currency is being de-valued internationally and we are loosing the very freedoms and liberties we strive to defend.

There are other points Jane, but I talk too much here already. I've promised to stop posting, but I am still here. So, I will step into the background and let the choir continue preaching to each other.

Best of luck and don't let the retrogrades get you down. Good will prevail over evil in time.

Yavor

Yavor, you write allot but I don't understand what your point is....and I am a liberal. Please be more clear!

Clintonite? You got that right. I'll go with a brainiac who likes girls and hamburgers over a new england elite, spoiled and stupid looser - anytime.
(and all the boy-lovin' perverts in his party)
The majority of the world agrees with me too.

How come every PH. D or worldly educated person you meet is a Bush hater, and every truck driver and high-school drop-out you meet is a vociferous republican? How come people who spend their entire lives researching the way the universe works - find no evidence for the existence of God, yet God is obvious to the simpletons in society? It's just odd - isn't it?

Speaking German? Ravoy, the Russians won WWII. Ask a 20 year old Russian about WWII (and they all know every detail). They will explain it to you. Repubs secretly revere Hitler because he is the epitome of their philosophy. Hitler gets them all warm and fuzzy. Only some have the guts to say it in public.

These Neo-con punks are the current legacy of every attempt to stifle progressive thought in American history. They are anti-change. The old ways are the best. Don't say no to YESterday. Pro-segregation, Anti-women's rights, Pro-war, anti-civil rights and anti-environment. They have bastardized
Christian philosophy and the founding father's intentions to fit their own plan
for world domination (newamericancentury.com). Thank goodness our system of government works and the people have spoken. They nearly destroyed this country. Their legacy of damage will go on for decades.

It will be sad to see the day when the good people who were bamboozled into supporting these losers- face the betrayal which is about to be exposed.
It is going to generate cynicism about government for years. Watch now as one-by-one, these guys run for the hills (or Paraguay). The next democratic president isn't going to pardon them... because their crimes are orders of magnitude beyond treason. The WASP era is over in this country. Flail your arms as you may, but start learning spanish.

Yavor

Hmmm, Today, Bill Clinton is a world-wide star and Bush in internationally reviled. Even in the USA, when Bill Clinton comes to speak, it is standing room only. People were scalping "free" Clinton lecture tickets for $100 outside the convention center in Austin last year. I couldn't get in even with my press pass.

My Russian exchange students told me that they would give their leader 6 mistresses if they could have our economy (during the Clinton years).

Clinton's IQ is equal to W's father's and W's combined. Oh, intelligence? Who needs intelligence when you have "Belief"? Reality is over-rated.

Golly, Bill almost had sex with a consenting adult. That's terrible. Bush can kill 650,000 Iraqis and maim or kill 15,000 Americans in a war to...to...Win
the favor of his father, and HE is the moral one? What kind of warped logic does it take to believe this? Fear can be the only answer.

Ah, the world (and half our country) are just crazy. They have been brainwashed by the vast liberal machine. You know, sometimes when you think everyone else is crazy, actually it's YOU that's crazy.

When the crimes of this administration are revealed to the general public, those who blindly defended these scoundrels will be at the vanguard of the lynch mob. Clinton was never anyone's morals teacher. The day of disillusionment for neo-con supporters will be hell. Burned twice. Dam!

The worm has already turned. Fasten your seatbelts.

Yavor
Cleveland

Oh, BTW, I voted for Clinton twice, I was a die hard liberal all my life until I finally saw through him, I finally noticed, if I were his wife, how ashamed I would feel, how disrespectful he treated women. Yes, morals matter, and abusive behavior like that toward women is bad enough, but when you have the whole world watching, you would think he would try to use better judgment, at least while in office, I don't care if he was liberal or conservative at that point. When I voted for him, I thought, well, he looks really nice, like he understands us little guys, us hard working, single mothers, he must be for us. I can say, I was so uninformed, so uneducated about him. Not understanding history. Of course the real history is not even taught anymore. It is being rewritten.

The second time I started to see the light, was at a luncheon, and I looked up on the news, there was a bombing of the Cole. I had an epiphany, I woke up, I wanted to shout to everyone at the table, look, my God, they hate us, and they have alot of money, and they are fanatic. I understood. Again, we are not perfect, but I love this country. We are in a huge war, guess people can't see the forest through the trees, it is huge. These important worries about the Patriot Act, and the ACLU, we have the leisure now to discuss, but my God, we are in a war, and people here don't want to try to find the enemy? What is that about??? Must mean, that only half of us are fighting the war for everyone, hey carry your weight people, that is all I can say, we could lose everything. We pull out early, and Israel is gone, oh, I forgot Liberals don't even understand how important that tiny little nation is. Where is everyones survival skills?? We are lucky right now, it is pretty much business as usual, because the world around us is very dangerous, we cannot hide or protest now, this is not the time. We need to support our country, and stand proud, there is no other better place, we left England. Remember the declaration of Independence???

We non-liberals know this already about Clinton, that is another reason why we are non-liberals. Why doesn't this information get published in the liberal newspapers and investigated? Are facts just not liberal enough?? It is that grey area that scares me about the Clintons, it is in that grey area that these two operate.

It is important to keep the flow of oil coming into our county and within our country if I want to eat tomorrow. It is Bush's job to keep our bodies healthy and safe, and we need oil right now to eat right now, most of us could not feed ourselves if the supply just ran out tomorrow, stores would not have food stocked, we would all starve. If you put yourself in his place, and you had to keep the nation going, you would also have to keep the oil coming, until a better way is phased in. It doesn't mean I love oil, I just love to eat, love to drive, and love all the products oil is made from, take them away I would probably go into withdrawal. I don't want to go back to the stoneage!!!! I love the internet, I love shopping online. I love being a consumer, I love capitalism. We are spoiled and comfortable which is nice, and have to remember, America is very young, we come from people that made a choice to come here. I believe if people don't like it here, they can leave also. Go ahead please. We are Americans. We are out of the box thinkers, sorry it offends people, but to keep this, we have to have the military, they are what keeps us from harm. We are not perfect, but I love America, warts and all.