We’re being told by the main stream media (and Al Gore) that the global warming debate is over and that there is a consensus among scientists saying that you and I are the cause. However, what they are not telling you is that debate is not over. The fact is that many scientists who were once global-warming apologists are now skeptical of global-warming and its causes.
An increasing number of climate scientists now believe the cause of global warming is caused by natural reasons and that man’s contribution to the greenhouse gases is so small that we couldn’t change the climate if we tried. Additionally, no matter how many billions of dollars are wasted trying to reduce greenhouse gas, man will not be able to affect global warming one way or the other.
So, now why is DiCaprio still warning us that we face extinction from global warming? Yo, Leo…I bet you didn’t know that the average temperature in April 2007 was 51.7 F. This was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 47th coolest April in 113 years.
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I've driven through Timaru, in NZ, the village whose newspaper you give greater authority to than the UN's IPCC, and I wouldn't hang my reputation on that brain trust. If you want a decent last ditch attempt at claiming pollution doesn't harm the environment, look up The Great Global Warming Swindle on Google Video. Of course, it has also been dismissed by most credible sources, but it is interesting.
At the end of the day, what is so bad about making energy more efficient and developing new technologies? Or are you just following conservative dogma.
Sam - nothing is wrong with conserving energy at all. It's when the dems and media politicize it daily when it becomes a sore topic.
I'm appalled that the Global Warming Debate is still even going on. I read one of your (liberal) commenters saying no one knew about Global Warming until 2006, and just had to shake my head. I've been hearing and reading about it for probably a decade. And the conclusion has always been the same thing you pointed out in this post: weather is cyclical. I could explain why that is any number of ways, but it's really not necessary. The thermometer speaks for itself. Record highs, record lows are not the issue, the overall pattern is the issue, and the overall pattern says: cyclical.
Oh. Sorry. I'll put away my soapbox now. But I've been looking forward to getting back here all day, LOL~!
Cass - thanks again for stopping by. You can rant and rave on here anytime. The truth is that most of the readers on this blog are extreme liberals!! They usually come here to call me names, kind of like your friend, was it Carla?
lol..no hard feelings though. I don't take it personal. I just believe what I believe because I believe it.
"I just believe what I believe because I believe it." LOL..... keep on believing but it wont make it any more correct! Found the skeptical scientists article interesting but as has been pointed out above the IPCC report and scientists supporting the believe of human influenced global warming do hold a landslide majority view even if all the scientists are not agreed. Not to say that science should be democratic!
actually, more scientists say "global warming" is natural, or not even actually occurring. But you liberal slices of shit control the media, so we never hear about it.
"actually, more scientists say "global warming" is natural, or not even actually occurring. But you liberal slices of shit control the media, so we never hear about it."
But that's simply not true. As far as I know, there is only one scientific society which rejects the theory of anthropogenic global warming - the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (which, as the title shows, may have an industry bias).
I really don't get why US conservatives reject the idea of global warming. It's been accepted by conservatives, anarchists, socialists, centrists, liberals and libertarians in Ireland and the UK, so why not in the US? It strikes me that since the consequences of global warming require state intervention, conservatives reject the theory because it is simply inconvenient.
"But that's simply not true. As far as I know, there is only one scientific society which rejects the theory of anthropogenic global warming - the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (which, as the title shows, may have an industry bias)."
That is false.
How to Argue With a Global Warming Enthusiast
As for the general topic, the list of scientists (including very well-respected climatologists) which opposes the hype-science surrounding global warming is a big list. See Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
As for the entire debate: global warming debate is certainly NOT OVER, there is CLEARLY NO CONSENSUS AMONG ALL SCIENTISTS about any of the major tenets of "Gore's Version of Global Warming".
Commenter #1 if you need better newspapers to link to, try this link to a credible Canadian publication: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
Try this link for an even larger collection of links to the numerous doubts and controversies in the so-called "science" of global warming, which involves sophisticated computer models with very little external reliability or validity. ever hear the phrase "garbage in, garbage out"?
http://www.quickrob.com/weblog/?p=961
Anyone who suggests the science is settled obviously doesn't have any background education in science. That's the only clearly defined fact in this whole conversation.
I really don't get why US conservatives reject the idea of global warming. It's been accepted by conservatives, anarchists, socialists, centrists, liberals and libertarians in Ireland and the UK, so why not in the US? It strikes me that since the consequences of global warming require state intervention, conservatives reject the theory because it is simply inconvenient.
Well, to put it plainly to you:
your desire to save the planet from this frightening "climate crisis" makes you want the government to make new laws. these laws have the distinct possibility of damaging our economies, and a small possibility of actually helping to save the planet...if it even really needs saving.
So, you clamor for laws, politicians love to pass laws and make people happy, so they pass these laws. New restrictions are made on trade, the energy marketplace gets turned upside down by government interference, and we hand the government additional ways to regulate our lives.
Thanks for nothing, buddy!
And for your CLAIM that the anarchists are supporters of this new push towards global governance wrapped up in deluded, nonsense environmentalism...I FIND THAT LAUGHABLE!!!
What anarchist worth his weight in dirt would ever support new laws and regulations???????? Do you know what an anarchist is?
I have to agree with you, around here our summers are usually in temperatures reaching from 99 - 120 degrees farenheit. This summer has been in the range of 85-101, we had one freak day of 115. I don't oppose alternate fuels sources and I'm sure pollution is not good for the lungs etc, but I don't think we're gonna go extinct due to melting polar ice caps etc.
As an interlude: The IPCC report that everyone is gobbling up wasn't a "consensus" at all. Each scientist who contributed only contributed to their own small section, not to the report as a whole. There was no big scientist meeting where everyone read the whole report and agreed that it was acceptable. As a consequence, many of these scientists have asked that their independent findings and names removed from the report.
Why do we need new laws? Why do we need our freedoms stepped on even further? If you want to save the planet, buy a hybrid, but don't tell me I have to.
Ya, and the sun revolves around the earth, and the earth is flat. Right?
Yah and I Believe in People having Sex with Aliens.
Yah Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shuv Global Warming up your Ass. Until you Prove it!!!
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/08/arctics-legenda.html
Not in recorded history has this been possible. is the planet warming....ice melting tells me warming is going on. Is it just easier to stick your head in the sand?
oh damn...if the daily galaxy said it...well, it must be true!!
I obviously don't know how old everyone who commented on this blog is but, if they were old enough they may remember that in the 1970's the same people who are saying we are going to die because of global warming said we will be victims of the next ice age. The fact of the matter is in 2004 the EPA came out with some "real facts." Natural gas systems, animal waste and gas, landfills, coal mining, manure management, and wastewater treatment account for moer then 80% of the methane gas (green house gas) released into the enviornment. The idea that man, Americans, are responsible for green house gases and altering out climate and temperatures is just insane.
Sam,
We all want clean air and clean water. When Al Gore testified before congress, why did he not bring a scientist or 2 with him? Why does he tell our 6 year old kids that when they are 12 or 15, New York and Florida will be under water? (Oprah called him " America's Noah" for Christ's sake.)
Do you really believe that our planet has a termostat that can be turned up or down by Albert Gore based on human carbonic input into the atmoshere? We have stars that expand, contract, expolde, cosmic winds, the temerature on Mars is up .5 degrees farenheit in the last 100 or so years.
Come on Sam, I want my George Jetson Car and I think by now that we should be able to beam ourselves wherever we want to go and all that, but stop scaring the kids.
"..........but stop scaring the kids."-mike
but we ought to scare them with terrorist?
ANYBODY ON THIS PAGE CAN JUST GO RIGHT TO YOU TUBE AND WATCH '"{THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING SWINDLE". THERE IS A REASON AL GORE REFUSES TO DEBATE ANYBODY ON THE GLOBAL WARMING TOPIC, AND THAT REASON IS THAT MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST!
WAX wrote: "AND THAT REASON IS THAT MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST!"
i have watched this debate for years........and how the deniers keep changing the definitions......now it seems to be "Man Made Global Warming"......as opposed to just global warming. But watch out before you too get yourself "painted into a corner"........because weather or not it is man made or not.......prudence will dictate action(like we have always done with "ACTs of GOD" like flood control)
"because weather or not"
Ahh, that is the question!
I challenge you to find one legitimate scientist who says that millions of barrels of CO2 production isn't having some sort of weather effect on the Earth. The thing that isn't fully understood is the percentage of the global CO2 rising is caused by humans vs volcanoes.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/archive.htm
I suggest everyone here read Climate Confusion by Dr. Roy W. Spencer. He explains the actual science behind the theory of Global Warming. He talks about the history, the inner workings of the climate, the models that scientist are using, all the aspects of global warming, and the effect of climate policies on the poor. The conclusion from this book is that the minimal increase in carbon is most likely due, since 1940, to human activity. With only 38 molecules of 1000 molecules of air being carbon it is hard to award man-made carbon emission with the about 1 degree rise in temperature. He goes on to explain that the models that scientist are using aren't good enough yet to factor in ever variable so most of their findings and predictions have no merit even though they make headlines.
What I don't understand is three things. Methane is a green house gas too. This gas is much more prominent in our atmosphere than carbon, yet it gets no recognition. Is that because almost all of it distributed naturally? It makes me feel that Global Warming is being pushed down my throat as my fault because I breathe and I drive a car. I'm a terrible person for doing both (at least that is what they are trying to get me to feel). Also, what is wrong with a temperature rise? You don't have to be a historian to know the earth was most prosperous during the medieval times (also known as the medieval warming period) and that was when the earth was its hottest. Greenland was green! We would have longer crop growth and more places people could live. And finally, as humans we weren't emitting hardly any carbon into the atmosphere really before 1940. Keeping this in mind, the hottest period of time, in our recent history, was the 1930's. What can explain this? Carbon couldn't have been at fault.
I just think that our climate and weather is so complex (if you read Climate Confusion you would know) it is very unrealistic to predict and make assumptions based on our faint knowledge of how all the different parts of our climate system work together. Give it a few years, based on our last winter I bet there is a global cooling theory that hits the main stream media.
The CO2 growth rate over the past decade was about twice as fast as that found in the 1960s. Yet, all four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data that show the past year(2007-2008), global temperatures have dropped precipitously.... an average of between .65 and .74 degrees Cel.
How is is possible for the carbon dioxide rate to double over a decade and earth's temperature go down? Answer, because man made global warming is a hoax. The earth has warmed some 16 degrees Far. since the last ice age. Most of that warming was before the internal combustion engine or the first goal plant was built. It was not caused by La Nina as some scientists are trying to say now...If that is the case, why was El Nino not part of the warming of the 1990's?
Did the invention of the Model T cause the glaciers to melt that formed the Great Lakes...of course not. So what caused such GIGANTIC glaciers to melt thousands of years ago? Again, the answer is not man...it is natural temperature changes that the have ALWAYS occurred.
One thing these scientists are correct about...the debate is over. The earth has always heated and cooled several degrees. Case Closed.
Global warming is an issue whose existence will likely always be debated. Personally, I feel the existence obvious. Throughout my life, the winters have become more sporadic and seem to follow seasonal patterns less and less every year. Each year the summers seem hotter and contain more and more destructive storms.
Perhaps this is just my own misconception, though. If it is, I can honestly say I
will not regret my misconceptions in the future. Some people seem to believe global warming preventions hurt business. I believe this to be false due to the entrepreneurship it provides in new eco-friendly technology. This kind of technology will only create more jobs and help our economic situation.
So other than global warming filling the media with somewhat annoying ads and texts, we will only prosper from the actions taken to prevent global warming.
Hello, I'm a Penguin that lives in the Arctic. I have friends that are Polar Bears and we have a lot of problems here. We now have a new problem which is the disappearance of fish. This will cause our species to go extinct if we don't act now. Our other problem is that the ice and snow is melting, causing us to drown. We need to find a solution to these problems fast. Also, Global Warming is a cycle of the world, it happens once in a while, but we are making it go threw the stage faster than what it should be.
This post betrays your ignorance on the topic. The fact that one month in wherever-you're-talking-about is cooler than the average for the century is not evidence against the overall trend of climate change. It does suggest however that you're willing to look at historical temperatures and trends as evidence. If you do this, you'll find that you're on the wrong side of the issue.
I hope you at the very least stop being a roadblock to this potentially problematic situation so that we can get on with the challenge of doing something about it.
Hey Josh, you hear that global temperatures have dropped about .7 degrees Celsius this year?
Did you know that cooling is unquestionably far more damaging than warming?
Did you know that curbing our carbon footprint could, in fact, help hasten an age of global cooling?
No? Well, let's spend billions of dollars and sacrifice our economic stability to make the earth colder anyways. AL GORE AND LEONARDO DICAPRIO DEMAND IT!