It’s a fact and if you try and dispute it, you are an idiot and just lying to yourself. And, the funny thing about it is that they wouldn’t last one minute in any Military boot camp. The truth is that extreme liberals have never embraced sacrifice, tasted honor, felt courage, experienced conviction or touched a fragment of commitment. All they really know and want to know is Oprah and their little anti-war rallies where they curse Israel, the U.S and our beloved Military; yah know, the same Military that gave their lives so that we can live in freedom. Yeah, I am sure you hear this all the time from right-wing-conservative-types like me but it’s something that should never be forgotten, never!
These extreme liberals rant, rave and protest Military recruiters on college campuses; they call us terrorists and uneducated; and only join the Military because there are no other opportunities in our evil capitalistic society. They sit in their cozy little apartments reading “10 Excellent Reasons Not to Join the Military” foreword by yes-you-got-it, Cindy Sheehan; while sipping on their $20 bottles of wine thinking about a new social program that would save us poor souls who enlist in the Military.
The fact is that our brave men and women in uniform are not only kicking ass and taking names; but also dying on foreign land, thousands of miles away from their homes, so that these misguided liberals can exercise their constitutionally protected right to bitch, moan and protest; all for the sake of protesting because we all know that liberals don’t really stand for a damn thing.
It reminds me of the radical anti-war protests of the 1960s and ’70s (not that I was even alive back then but hey, I did my homework). These radical-cindy-sheehan-following-liberals might not be wearing their old-fashioned Birkenstocks and tie-dyed t-shirts (well, actually some still do); but their cowardly attitude is the same as it always has been. This is why liberals will stop at nothing to prevent us from winning the war on terrorism. A win in Iraq means that their “war-solves-nothing” ideology becomes virtually worthless, a remnant of a bygone era; and the thought terrifies them.
Iraq must be a loss at all costs. The future of left-wing political activism is at stake!
So, let’s test the hypothesis that extreme liberals hate the Military. I often get the third degree from other conservative bloggers because I read liberal blogs but as the old saying goes, “keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”. So, I did some research and went to this website and read an article titled “Why are people sill joining the military?” Well you can only imagine what some of the comments were like. To be fair, not all of the comments were rude and offensive. Here are a few comments that were (word for word):
obama_girl: 2 things. Blood money and blood lust.
catmandu57: Offhand I’d say poverty and lack of hope. there are many areas of this country where there isn’t any hope of employment, or meaningful employment from the rural areas to the inner cities. I can speak more to the rural situation, in the town where I lived when I was a young adult there should have been a sign at the limits saying abandon hope all ye who live here. It hasn’t changed, for some there may be some misguided sense of patriotism, but mostly I think it’s the avenue of last chance for many.
lonestarnot: Sanctimonious sacrificers. Pat themselves on the back for “doing their duty.”
Solon: As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. n/t
Karenina: (57) Why? A lifetime of miseducation. How? It can’t be by anyone who has the critical thinking tools to view it.
scarletwoman (Reply 57): Thank you! I haven’t read through all the comments yet, but I just wanted to chime in here and express my complete agreement with what you wrote. So far, it appears that the responses you’ve gotten have been all negative. I want to balance that out by saying that I think what you wrote is absolutely right on. Few people want to examine their unquestioned assumptions — much less confront the fact that they’ve been brainwashed since birth by the militant narratives of an inherently genocidal culture.
stirlingsliver: Ignorance. People who ignore reality are ignorant. Anyone joining the military is just not paying attention to what the military is being used to do.
Bornaginhooligan: I don’t want to say it’s old fashioned stupidity. But I can’t think of a different reason that holds any water.
Madspirit: Fear, xenophobia, ignorance, racism, hostility, violence…macho America…n/t
So, there you have it. I only spent 10 minutes searching around the Internet and found this. Extreme liberals do hate the Military. No, I didn’t say all liberals or democrats hate the military so please don’t misunderstand me and start sending me hate mail or calling me offensive names in the comments.
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Good blog. You found the absolute bottom of society, who read word-a-day-toilet-paper for their power point word topics, and listen to idiotic leftists and praise the almighty "Che' while wearing his t-shirt (never mind the pinko faggot would hate that his image on a shirt was being sold in Wal-Mart).
To all the idiots out there, an open letter. I am a SSgt in the USAF. I am not uneducated. I graduated from AP classes in HS with a 3.79 GPA. I went to Penn State University as an Aerospace Engineer. After being tired of schooling for so many years, I enlisted. I graduated basic training and Tech School with Honors (learning languages). I earned 2 degrees and am working on my third. I am enlisted, not an officer. I have been to every continent on this planet except Antarctica, both before and during my service. I presently have 7.5 years active duty service. I have served in the middle east, in both wars, and I can tell you plainly, what you hear in the news is wrong, biased and absolutely counterproductive.
I normally don't go around and tell people about my job, my experiences, in peacetime and in the war-zone, but if someone asks I will tell them. And I will tell you this. The war is not lost. It never has been, we are winning this war by a large margin. The society we have today has a very short attention span and expects results in a condensed time-frame. War is hard, war is ugly, but war is necessary, unfortunately. For you liberals, I know you will never thank me, I know you will spit on me if you saw me, I know you will spout your rhetoric about peace and love, and never understand that you have those rights and freedoms to spout your nonsense in such a free society without people like me. I don't consider myself a hero, I'm just doing my job, because I love my country, and because everyone should be free, not just us, not just the upper middle class pseudo-hippies who claim to be the working class while they are getting scholarships and "daddy-money" to go to school and never work, to get a degree in philosophy.
You don't know jack about the world, your spring break trip to Cancun does not qualify you as a world traveler. You don't know anything, realize that, come to grips with it, then try to use some common sense, and stop listening to propaganda.
--Just the words of a veteran tired of idiots.
I have no argument with people who want to be part of the military. The military is necessary, although I wonder if it has to be as big as it is.
Still, the saddest part of the Iraq debacle is that all of our soldiers who have died and had parts of ther bodies blown off have died and suffered for nothing. Lies got us into this war and lies are keeping us there. I wonder why any soldier can support what Bush is doing when it has nothing to do with national security and everything to do with Republican political expediency.
How do the soldiers feel about having their lives and limbs tossed about for purely political gain?
Great blog, Urban!
Well said, SSgt Jim Henning! I have a few military pals who have served in Iraq who are confirming what you just said here: we are winning this war. Sigh. I'm sad to say it seems like America no longer knows how to finish a war; if World War II happened today, liberals would whine and complain in the masses; all of Europe would end up under Nazi rule. Patience and perseverance is rarely a liberal trait. Gosh, my grandpa's generation sacrificed so much, and never complained about it! They just did it, until the job was done!
Barry, do you care at all for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were brutally killed by Saddam? You think you are all for humanity, but seriously, do you care about the future of those people at all? Have you looked into the eyes of those kids in the news? Don't you want them to have a freer future without Saddam and other extremists?
There can NEVER be world peace, until every last living thing in the world is dead: dictators will always rise up and cruelly oppress people; kids will always bully other kids on the playground; and rapists and robbers will always be there. Sadly, it's what a few humans will do, left unchecked. Most people are basically decent, but there is a small percentage of people who will be utterly twisted. If the decent people don't rise up to stop the twisted few, than oppression takes over. "Peace" has NEVER dissolved brutal oppression, greed, or dominance. Ever. Peace is a state of being... a nice gift when it happens... but not a virtue of character.
Brutal Mustang, if our aim was to liberate oppressed people, then we should have invaded China and gotten rid of the Communist party. That would have liberated 1 billion people.
Before the war, the Bushies floated the notion of deposing the despot Saddam as justification for invasion, and the American public wasn't impressed. The only thing that worked was the spectre of Iraq 45 minutes away from launching a nuclear attack on the US. That's what the Bushies lied about over and over to scare the public into going along with their hair-brained scheme.
And by the way, the notion that peace has never dissolved brutal oppression...did you ever hear about this guy named Jesus? Hate and violence only beget more hate and violence. But, I guess if we gave peace a chance, that would mean a smaller Pentagon budget, and this is really all just about money isn't it?
Barry Says: "The only thing that worked was the spectre of Iraq 45 minutes away from launching a nuclear attack on the US."
You tell me who said that. I will bet my hat it was not the President.
You libs love to forget the truth. If you need a reminder of the support for deposing Saddam Hussein, go here: http://tinyurl.com/2nytq5
Barry said: Brutal Mustang, if our aim was to liberate oppressed people, then we should have invaded China and gotten rid of the Communist party. That would have liberated 1 billion people.
We cannot liberate them all, but just because we can't help everybody, does it mean we shouldn't help anybody?
Barry said: And by the way, the notion that peace has never dissolved brutal oppression...did you ever hear about this guy named Jesus?
I would like to think Jesus wouldn't just stand there, watching someone get robbed, or raped, or beat up, if he was in the position to help. I'd like to think he would do something about it, even if it meant getting (or giving) a black eye. Heck, remember how mad he got in the temple, over-throwing the merchant tables tables and the dove cages because they'd turned the house of God into a den of thieves? He was violent in that instance. I think Jesus was the type of man who used as little force as necessary, but DID use force, if really needed.
DJ: Maybe the President never said that in so many words, but the notions of "yellow cake" sales to Iraq (lies), "45 minutes away from lauching a misslie attack" (a lie), Saddam supprts Al Queda (a lie), Saddam was connected to 9/11 (a lie) were repeated over and over by Bush, et al. They were very cagy never to say them together, but repeated these lies to confuse people and ingrain "Saddam...Al Quaeda....9/11...yellow cake" together as a mantra.
Meanwhile, we're on the way to spending $1 Trillion on this debacle, by General Petreus' own accounting. Instead of using that money to kill and occupy, think of how much good will we could have created by building schools, hospitals, homes, roads, power plants, etc., etc., instead.
Brutal Mustang: I can't answer for what Jesus would or wouldn't do (I think of Jesus as a fictional character), but you're the wone who said, " "Peace" has NEVER dissolved brutal oppression, greed, or dominance. Ever."
Barry, funny how you liberals like bringing up Jesus in these arguments, and yet know very little about Him.
Haven't you paid attention to human nature at all? Haven't you ever watched kids on a playground? Left without supervision, an aggressive child will almost always arise and start to bully the others. It's the inherent nature of our species. Perhaps if snails and bunny rabbits ruled the world, we'd have that world peace you desire!
Barry, you honestly can't use Jesus as an example if you hardly know anything about him. And it's a wrong to think of him as a fictional character, Jesus actually did exist, it's been proved scores of times. You don't have to believe he was the son of God or anything (I don't, I'm athiest), but denying his existance is just pathetic.
OH YAY WORLD PEACE. IF WE TALK TO THE BAD PEOPLE IN A NICE WAY AND SHOW THAT WE CAN LOVE THEY'LL DROP ALL ATTACK AND WE'LL ALL BE HAPPY. WHAT A GREAT WORLD IT WOULD BE!!!
Unfourtunatly, the world DOESN'T work like that. These people were raised from the day that they were born to hate America, to hate freedom. They don't hesitate, they have no mercy. 9/11 proves that, and "talking" to them isn't exactly going to help.
Sunshine-happy-rainbows don't fix problems, the USA wasn't created by talking to King George III. Slavery wasn't abolished by speading joy. I do believe that hippies have tried to spread peace, and yet that hasn't worked at all. (It only made a bunch of angry druggies)
To Barry:
If you're not sure our military needs to be as big as it is, then you need to investigate the enormous military build-up of China and the Russian Federation. A good place to start is our Navy which has fewer than 300 active war ships to China's 750 (larger than the US during WWII). While we’ve been downsizing over the last twenty years, China and the Russian Fed have been growing substantially. Throw in fairly recent joint-training exercises between the two countries and it gets even more interesting.
It's always good to be ready for the worst.
Its disappointing that people like Barry are out there. They just don't understand how things work. Most all politicians, even Hillary, came out and agreed with the war when it was first proposed after 9/11. Once they realized that we got into something that will take longer then they expected they, and the main stream media, turned on Bush. Its just points out the lack of character the liberals have. They lack patience. People like Barry bring up the money that we have spent on the war....I'd rather spend money on fighting terrorists in a foreign country then spending it on welfare or other social programs and risk being attacked agian. I fear that it will take another 9/11 for the liberals to respect and be thankful for our military and all the sacrafices they have made.
Viet Nam War Memorial Defaced
I just became aware today of the defacement of the Viet Nam War memorial in Washington courtesy of my blogger colleague, Lew Waters. It appears that the incident happened sometime around September 7. The perpetrators are as yet unknown. It appears that someone sprayed an oily substance onto parts of the wall which have caused damage to the marble surface and affected the legibility of many of the names. Aside from the outrage this is causing many of us, I am asking- Why didn't the mainstream news media cover this story?
Let's talk first about the outrage we feel toward the perpetrators. That some segment of our society is so twisted with hate for our country and its military to commit this kind of act sickens me to my stomach. Yet, it doesn't surprise me. We indeed have a segment of our population, almost exclusively on the far-left, that hates America. They want us to lose in Iraq, and they want this country to collapse into the mire, so that people like them can reshape it into their own preferred model. Lew, in his blog, was seething with rage-to the point of using profanities to describe his contempt for the perpetrators. I don't blame him one bit. I myself knew and grew up with two men whose names are on that wall. While I served in Germany during the Viet Nam War, they went to Viet Nam and died, not yet 21, one receiving a Silver Star in the process.
As Lew so eloquently points out, our Viet Nam veterans were despised by the far-left, largely on our university campuses during that conflict. Many were shunned, even spat upon when they returned home, never receiving the respect and gratitude they deserved. They watched while one of their own, John Kerry, savaged them and called them murderers, parlaying his fame with Viet Nam Veterans Against the War into a US Senate seat. Is it any wonder that many of them are still walking around with psychological scars, in some cases, drug-addicted and homeless? They were betrayed by counter-culture bums of their own age who did everything they could to evade military service-most notably, Bill Clinton.
Today, we have the children of that mixed generation (my generation) pulling the same antics, disrespecting our soldiers, past and present. We have a political party that runs Congress, many of whose leaders have called our soldiers Nazis, operators of Soviet gulags who terrorize Iraqi women and children in the middle of night, bomb villages and commit cold-blooded murder and torture. Want some names? How about John Kerry, Dick Durban, John Murtha and Barack Obama?
Our Viet Nam vets were also betrayed by the liberal elite in our country. It is commonly said by many on the left that Viet Nam was a military defeat for America. It wasn't. Our soldiers were never defeated in a single battle by the enemy. It was a political defeat because the country and its leadership at home lost the will to continue.
Speaking of the liberal elite, have you noticed how many liberal blogs marked Veterans Day? Very few. The only thing I found on Daily Kos was an article whose theme was Veterans as homeless people-no tribute to the noble job they did while in service. In contrast, the overwhelming majority of conservative blogs posted tributes to our veterans and current military to mark Veterans Day. Shouldn't that tell you something about which side is right?
My next issue is why are we now just hearing about this defacement that apparently occurred on or about September 7. Doing a Google search on "Viet Nam Wall Defaced", it seems that the only sector reporting on this incident is the conservative blogosphere. What about the Mainstream Media? Missing in action, folks, as usual. Why? Because to report this story just might awaken some patriotic outrage on the part of the public-the last thing the MSM wants to do. This only reinforces the obvious fact that the MSM selectively reports stories that further their leftist agenda while ignoring or downplaying those that run counter to that agenda.
Make no mistake about it, we are engaged in battle for the direction this country will go. If the elements that would deface the Viet Nam War Memorial-probably the most moving memorial in our land- prevail in this battle, then America will go right down the drain and suddenly, like the Soviet Union, collapse like house of cards.
gary fouse
fousesquawk
Can you define winning the war in Iraq? what would that entail?
p.s. I am asking not because i want to prove you wrong, but only because I am trying to form my own opinions about the topic.
SBP - or is it Spit?
Well, I don't know. I am no expert on war; but what I can say is that we are safer here in the US since we went into Iraq...and, the US (or US interests) have not been hit since.
Note: during the Clinton administration, the US (and US interests) were hit close to 8 times.
What about the protest group Veterans for Peace?
I'd be curious to hear what you have to say about them.
Is it so wrong to not want to send our troops overseas to die in a foreign land unless it is absoutely necessary?
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/
@ Corey
The Veterans for Peace are not extreme liberals so this doesn't apply to them. It's one thing to protest the war; it's another to hate the Military and wish we lose.
Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. The president’s approval rating among the military is only slightly higher than for the population as a whole. In 2004, when his popularity peaked, 63 percent of the military approved of Bush’s handling of the war. Just as telling, in this year’s poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003. That closely reflects the beliefs of the general population today — 45 percent agreed in a recent USA Today/Gallup poll.
This was taken from the military times. There are many of us Liberals in the military and we just so happen to love our country. The difference between a liberal in the military and anyone else (who follows along with the status quo) is that we research the things we believe in and we don't just believe what is spoon fed to us.
"The idea of a strong, well funded and disciplined military under civilian control is a liberal idea, as is the notion of Veteran's benefits and military retirement."
The same as we say we should support our troops is the same as saying we should protect our freedom of speech. You can't condemn the people who protest and give their opinions. By criticizing them you are saying that everything this country has fought for is meaningless. Therefore the freedoms fought by wars past were meaningless. Guess that would mean you aren't supporting your troops.
As a military officer, I might have to take offense to that.
First of all, there is a difference between liberals and extreme liberals; and I would argue that there aren't any extreme liberals serving in my beloved Military. Uninformed and ignorant, yes. Extreme no.
"You can't condemn the people who protest and give their opinions. By criticizing them you are saying that everything this country has fought for is meaningless. Therefore the freedoms fought by wars past were meaningless. Guess that would mean you aren't supporting your troops."
You are wrong. I can condemn these people and if you were there, I would condemn you too. I criticize these people because they don't value the freedom(s) that you, I and many other's have vowed to protect, and many have died for. For you to conclude that I do not support the troops because I condemn those who condemn the troops is completely unreasonable; and I take offense to that. In fact, it doesn’t even make sense.
Christy - did you happen to read the last paragraph?
"So, there you have it. I only spent 10 minutes searching around the Internet and found this. Extreme liberals do hate the Military. No, I didn’t say all liberals or democrats hate the military so please don’t misunderstand me and start sending me hate mail or calling me offensive names in the comments. "
Barry said: "...think of how much good will we could have created by building schools, hospitals, homes, roads, power plants, etc., etc., instead"
Holy crap! Liberals are either uninformed or misinformed. Try checking out the Multi-National Force's website and you will find out that we have done exactly what you claim we haven't.
Stay informed. Check out Made In The USA
I consider myself slightly to the left on many issues, and one of which is the War in Iraq. I find it insulting how many Neo Conservative people believe that those who are against the War are also against the Troops. This is just not true, and actually is more of the opposite.
Also, nitpicking at a vast amount of Liberal quotes from all over the internet hardly makes your point that "Liberals Hate the Military".
I'm sure nitpicking from Neo Conservatives like Ann Coulter would more than likely have the vast majority of conservatives saying to themselves, "I'm not with stupid!"
@ Say Your Worst
"I consider myself slightly to the left on many issues" - sorry to hear that.
...and I find it insulting that you refer to me as a Neo Conservative. Did you even read the damn article, or did you just browse through it? Where does it say..."that those who are against the War are also against the Troops?"
...and the article isn't titled "Liberals Hate The Military". You forgot the ever so important "EXTREME". There is a huge difference between the two. So, before you get your panties all wet, please read the entire article first before you bitch and complain.
I'm not sure that EXTREME Liberals hate the Military - although several liberals (and some conservatives as well) definitely do.
The simple truth is that the most extreme liberals and the most extreme conservatives, while supporting completely opposite ideals, promote exactly the same policies in the end - although there really is no adequate way to describe this...
I would actually suggest that extreme liberals (more extreme than the ones you refer to) love the military - just look at the communist countries:
The former USSR engaged in a huge military build-up during the Cold War and even invaded Afghanistan
The communists in northern Vietnam and Korea fought major wars to expand to the southern regions of their country (in the case of Korea, before the split).
China is using its military to suppress people in Tibet and other western Chinese provinces
The governments above are all based on extremely liberal ideologie, but they love their militaries - although this may be because the actual governments are very conservative in practice...
I guess I'm mostly curious about why disliking a violent organization (although I do support and appreciate the protection it provides) is so frowned upon by you conservatives...
Im positive Liberals hate the army. They grew in an environment in total Pacisfist world...They obvioulsy don't see the real scyme of why some wars are necessary. They probably dont see the reality of this world. If you gave them an example...per say a guy pointed a gun right to your childs head...What are you gonna do? Tell him not to with a cherry on top? Of course not, you would fight that man for what he coud've done to your own child. Now, thats just an example, in a bigger plot, like Hitler killing and murdering countless people just because of their religeon...what are you gonna do? send him an angry leter telling him how angry we are with him? Answer these questions, extremists.
Your response to Say Your Worst is ridiculous and hypocritical, when you posted a blog quoted a "liberal friend of yours" who blatantly said that you can't support any troops who participate in the war you don't support.
BobHelix said: "The governments above are all based on extremely liberal ideologie, but they love their militaries - although this may be because the actual governments are very conservative in practice"
It is misleading using the term "conservative" to compare communist/dictatorship/totalitarian countries whose "conservatives" want to preserve their lack of freedom to American "conservatives" who want to preserve the principles of our foundation, especially our freedom, and our Constitution and Bill Of Rights. I understand that it is correct in usage, but it is certainly misleading, especially when the "mainstream" media loves to throw the term around when describing fanatics in Saudia Arabia, Iran, China, etc.
Anon,
just lettin ya know, it was the conservatives who wanted to stay out of WW2. WHAT?!??!??!?!?!?
and also, their is a difference between talking before the threat has come to fruition and talking once it has. You are retarded not to see the difference.
Why is this someone else's picture and profile link attached to my comment?
http://www.mybloglog.com/buzz/co_redir.php?t=&href=http://tinyurl.com/2pjmu4&n=ArgoNunya
Your site needs help since I would prefer to use my own image and profile.