climate instability is here!

I sure hope that Time bought enough renewable energy credits to offset all the trees that were cut down, all the carbon that was used to produce and distribute this magazine, and all the carbon that is released as microorganisms digest landfills full of worthless magazine pages.  It is interesting that the print media - huge carbon footprint - is so opposed in theory to participating in the carbon cycle.

you are much funnier as a prognosticator and social critic.

Leo- you used to be a circus clown, right?

THE LAST ATTEMPT
How can an economic problem in one country bring a worldwide financial crisis that decimates the financial stability of major industrialized nations, and causes even more cataclysmic conditions in developing or underdeveloped cultures?  It is said to have begun on Wall Street and then spread all over the globe in a matter of weeks. 
“Globalism” – the blurring of national borders and the erasure of national sovereignty – is the precursor of world totalitarianism.  The economic infrastructure is being established as we speak, while the secular superstructure of a “counterfeit animism” is being fashioned to lure the irreligious masses into the newly crafted “trap of the collective.” 
That “counterfeit animism” crept into our lexicon via the pagan pronouncement that “trees have spirits” from the “tree hugging” extreme environmentalists.  Then, it progressed to “New Agers” promoting a brand new “spirituality” whereby Shirley McLane vociferated “I am god.”  Today this “trap of the collective” has donned a “new garb,” once again.  It masquerades back and forth as “global warming” and then as “climate change.”
What tactics or strategies will “the son of perdition,” “the man of lawlessness,” exploit to bring about “this new world order?” Generally known, he will attempt to machinate a one-world “religion,” a one-world “economy,” and a one-world “government.”
 It appears that our Secretary of State, Mrs. Clinton, has already been approached with such a temptation, on Friday, May 1, 2009.  A “request” was made by a man in the audience at a “town hall gathering,” or “press conference,” to the effect,” if” the Obama Administration would consider “global governance” in his approach to policy-making.  Is that the camel’s nose sniffling its way under the “tent of meeting,” or “tabernacle?”
Why did Moses chastise and punish the 23,000 Israelites in the Desert?  While Moses was being given the Ten Commandments by Almighty God on Mount Sinai, the Israelites were carousing and drinking at the foot of the Mount as they forged themselves “a golden calf.”  Many had forgotten the goodness of God and the miracle that had just taken place – the parting of the Red Sea so that they could make their way to freedom.  The sin of idolatry, moral adultery and spiritual desertion, the first manifestation of “the mark of the beast” as prophesied in Revelation – they were worshipping “Baal” rather than their Creator who had already foreordained a plan for their prophesied prosperity.  Today, many Americans are worshipping dinosaur bones and skull bones of dead apes in museums and libraries while they foolhardily deny their Creator and all His blessings.
What will happen to the nation or nations that succumb to the newly crafted “trap of the collective?” Babylon, that “great harlot,” will fall from its height of “counterfeit star.”
In Biblical history, we learn that there were blessings and curses, rain and drought, abundance and famine, prosperity and destitution.  “Curses” are there for a purpose – to serve as a “warning” to the “fool” who says in his heart there is no God.
My fellow Americans, REMEMBER, the true, original and genuine basis and foundation for our Union.  Know the Founders’ deepest sentiments regarding “the causes that impel them to the separation.”
You are blessed with free will.  Be careful how you “invest” your inner-being individual energies.  Be careful how you “invest” our “national energies.”   By now, historically, we have a good understanding of the reasons why we fought in World War II.  Do you have such certainty in the “causes” for which you “fight?”
Our elected public officials are accountable to us, WE, THE PEOPLE.  As we face Eternity, they are ultimately responsible and accountable to Almighty God for how they utilize our common electoral will.
Be careful to watch over America’s sovereignty as a free republic, as a representative democracy and as a light of liberty that has been so brightly shining on the earth for more than two centuries.  Be cautious with” the principle of total immersion” into “global causes” which make us lose sense of the federal principle so carefully and meticulously protected by America’s constitutional Framers – the federal principle is based on the blessings of self-government.
We will recover from the current crisis because we still have a certain amount of “control” over “financial instrumentation operations.”  We are already “engaged” in the world.  We participate in “international relations” and legislate treaties as needed, in accordance with the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution of the United States of America.
Here, we have no “Caesar” in the Capital, no “Herod” in the local town – just “neighbors” elected to serve in our stead; “neighbors” who can be recalled or voted out of office.  We don’t have to re-invent the “wheel of government.”  To reach one of these “neighbors,” you don’t need the “international operator.”  REMEMBER THIS.
 For, the blessings of liberty have already been secured to ourselves and our posterity.  We just have to remain faithful to keeping them.
God bless you in Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior.           Sincerely,         LEO

For more on the Myth of Global Warming check out road2socialism.com

TIME's magazine face above is so disrespectful.. the people fighting for something that is REAL compared to the hippies fighting for something that does not exist.

Pathetic.

To h "believer" I urge you to research the underlying agenda of the climate change crowd.....  communism..... it has nothing to do with saving anything except global governance and re-distribution of wealth and resources...

still don't get it though do ya?

I don't understand why people are so threatened when they hear about global warming.  I don't know why people are so reluctant to do something worth while, like, I don't know, sustain our planet?  Even if you believe in global warming or not a change needs to happen.  The facts are in, and relying on oil and coal will become a thing of the past.   We can spend the money now or later!?!?  Denial is of the weak minded.  Man up and take responsibility.   So  maybe that is why  that picture was used in time.  Our soldiers fight for a cause, and what better cause is there then to save our earth!

RampantHypocrisy


Oh.....silly me,  that's your user id and name.  I get it now! pff

Norski,
You are a typical sophomoric, uneducated right-winger. It sounds as if you enjoy blindly living life with no regard for the consequences of your actions or those of society.  This is the epitome of ignorance. If mankind had maintain the type of attitude that you seem to cherish, our species would be extinct by now. Unfortunately for the rest of us, because of the societal safeguards that have been created, people of your ilk will actually survive and not die off as would have happened millenia ago. I feel sorry for your friends, family, and neighbors.

The high temp where I live this week: 39 deg. 27 deg., 32 deg., 27 deg., and 33 deg.......War over

We'll forget the "SINK" comment.  LOL.  If we didn't do things based upon those conditions, no one would "drive" to work.  I'm sure you weren't serious.  let's hope not.

HURRICANE ALLEY!! 
I've posted about this before Dave. 

Aren't you printing out all of my posts and wallpapering your room with them like I am with yours?  Oops, maybe i shouldn't have said that. 


So we all recognize that we are going to be dependent PRIMARILY on OIL for the next 50 or so years.  Let's just make that a GIVEN. 

!!!  Reality Check   !!!
If you can't get past that last statement, you don't have a clue.  Drop off thread now and smoke Opium or something.

Let the rest of us proceed.

So, we've basically put all of our energy marbles in ONE place.  This is not the idea of BIG OIL.  If you have ever been to Houston, then you know it's just one BIG GAS STATION!  It's not a smart policy and it needs to be changed.

So, using the REALITY that we are dependent on OIL for the next 50 or so years (it'll be much more, but I'm being kind), wouldn't it make sense to SPREAD the risk? 

Let the OIL HOUNDS LOOSE!!  Our last oil reserve source reports were all done with antiquated technology.  There is a vast amount of OIL ready to be discovered.  Open up the frontiers!

Just get the Government out of the way!!

We have all just witnessed what happens when the Federal Government gets in the Real Estate business.

We don't have to pay $4.00/Gal at the pump. 

So we can either become more dependent than ever upon our enemies for our oil, meaning MORE TANKERS (spills), or we can beef up our own supply and rock the price downward for everybody globally, create jobs, and bring the Ruskies to heel.   Sounds terrible doesn't it?

Heck, even that Aussie might thank us.  I'll hold my breath waiting.

out.

But will the numbers add up when a cat 4 hurricane blows through there HoBo?
How "manly" will the manly Cajun Express rig  be? ..  it's awesome. (Until it sinks!) Thanks Big Oil again.......we give you our 1st born, but it's still not enough!  How much longer should we bend over taking this rape?

They will be bringing that patch online somewhere around 2010, using the manly Cajun Express rig  ..  it's awesome.  Thanks Big Oil again.

Amber,

The latest report issued by your own Government estimates 139 BILLION barrels of oil in the U.S. at this time.  This is all recoverable, although profits are never guaranteed.  So, no we're not going to stop drilling for oil.

The only difference is, your political party lies to you to get your support. 

I believe those numbers are very low indeed.  BIG OIL is not ALLOWED to look where it wants to, so the estimates are way off.  Of course this is what the DEMS and GREENS want. 

ALTERNATIVE ENERGY:

Oil won't be replaced until the numbers line up.  The numbers CAN'T line up unless oil is kept ARTIFICIALLY high through oil supply restriction. 

Oil is a RECYCLABLE resource folks.  It's being made every day, all day, even while you sleep.  It is not a finite source, but a renewable one.

So either build 400 NUCLEAR plants or get out of the way!  It's gonna be OIL OIL OIL for the next few generations. 
There is simply NOTHING waiting in the wings to replace it except Nuclear power,  
SOLAR, WIND, all uneconomical on the large scale.
All in efficient as well.

I won't even include bio-fuels, which so far have caused nothing but misery and starvation globally.

Besides Amber, let's say we all smoked off your pipe one day, and we QUIT burning oil.  It won't change a thing.  Not one thing.  Think it through......

What do you think will happen if we stop using oil?  Rainbows and puppies from the sky? 

You won't notice any change and the Earth's climate will go whichever way it wants to anyways, mans involvement not withstanding.  96% of all global climatic CHANGE is naturally sourced.  Put down the conspiracy and junk science pamphlets and read REAL SCIENCE. 
Gore says it's all about CARBON, but guess what, he's a moron.  In the CARNY world of AL BORE, AMBER is what is known as the "MARK".  The STOOGE if you will. 

out.

"up to our ass in oil"         why don't you conservatives understand that we cant just keep burning oil?

HoBo.....Specifically,
Which Government regulation is stopping drilling in the Gulf of Mexico?
Tell me, or stop Bull Shiting.
You can't just make up stuff......that is how Bush has governed (Oops, wrong word, huh?)......uh, that is how Bush has failed to govern these past 8 years.  He simply makes stuff up.
How's the portfolio?
I'd say a prayer for you, but, you know.......atheists can't pray.

Uh, the Government Dave.  WOW!

Snow is early in Alaska by two weeks.  It must be Global Warming huh.


out.

HoBo......the oil you're talking about is in the Gulf.   Who's stopping them?
Don't play that silly game!  It's just way too deep to be profitable, to be sure.............. if it was that easy, they'd be drilling now. 

Just think if we had of signed on to President Carter's idea of conservation..........we'd have a real shot now of supplying  our energy needs, but we let Reagan trash that plan.......way to go Ron!
http://oilchangeusa.org/category/offshore-drill...

Unless of course you agree to building 400 or so nuclear plants.  Then I stand gladly corrected about Alternative Energy.  Anything else at this time is just plain foolishness.


out.

The OIL is there in spades.  It's locked up by politics, not technology. 

I will re-assert my previous observation that if the OIL companies were ALLOWED to explore where THEY want to, we'd all be up to our arses in OIL Dave.  Maybe it's time for you to wake up. 

Alternative energy isn't feasible even when oil is 100 per barrel.  Imagine if the OIl companies could boost domestic output and bring it down to 60 per?  All of your talk of alternative energy would be a fools errand (which it is). 
It's only by squashing OIL EXPLORATION can alternative energy take hold. 

And like I said, the rest of the world is going to drill for oil for a LONG time to come.  So, wouldn't you rather be self sufficient?  Or is that too much for you?

That's not smart Dave.  Not smart at all.

out.

The OIL is there in spades.  It's locked up by politics, not technology. 

I will re-assert my previous observation that if the OIL companies were ALLOWED to explore where THEY want to, we'd all be up to our arses in OIL Dave.  Maybe it's time for you to wake up. 

Alternative energy isn't feasible even when oil is 100 per barrel.  Imagine if the OIl companies could boost domestic output and bring it down to 60 per?  All of your talk of alternative energy would be a fools errand (which it is). 
It's only by squashing OIL EXPLORATION can alternative energy take hold. 

And like I said, the rest of the world is going to drill for oil for a LONG time to come.  So, wouldn't you rather be self sufficient?  Or is that too much for you?

That's not smart Dave.  Not smart at all.

out.

Spare my dignity?
Yeah, right.......i read about that find in 2006.....it's more like 16 Billion barrels.  But not to argue who's right on the amount that is there, that oil would still only last us 9 or 10 years at present rates of consumption.
(if we use your figure of 60 Billion).
And where is this oil?  Very, very deep.......in an area plagued with hurricanes.  And you want to depend on that source?  Drilling in deep waters also jacks up the cost of production, right?  (Remember your econ 101 class?)
Not smart Hobo, not smart at all. 
What is smart is looking for ways to cut back on usage, search for alternatives.......Wake-up HoBO,  it's time to wake yourself outta that dream.

Sorry, a few years ago. In 06. even better. Might want to know why you are not aware of it.  Might be because this info is squashed by the media so the DEMOCRATS can CONTINUE to LIE about our DOMESTIC INVENTORY.  Look dave, it's real simple.  even for you.  Facts are as such:

BIG OIL is prohibited from looking for OIL where they want to look.  Instead they are allowed to look where old data says there's hardly any.  What a surprise.

What do you think will happen if we get a CRAZY idea and just let BIG OIL explore everywhere?  Why, they'd find so much OIL (it's what they do for a living), that ALTERNATIVE FUELS would become the EDSEL of ENERGY overnight!!  Now, wanna guess who's being fooled?

here's te story kiddo.  read it and weep.  I left off a bunch because I know real life details drive you insane.

Scientists from Cornell University have discovered a massive amount of Oil off the coast of Louisiana.The find is some 60 billion barrels or 3 Times more than current US recoverable Oil of 20 Billion barrels, and would bring US total reserves to 80 billion barrels which is on par with Venezuela. In comparison to other finds around the world, this is twice the size of all Oil ever found in the North Sea and 6 times larger than the estimates of the Alaskan ANWR oil deposits.

And that is a drop in the bucket to what's out there Dave.  Drop in the ol' bucket (er barrel) my friend.
We won't even get into shale ok?  I'll let you keep a shred of your dignity.

out

HoBo.....
Out?  Yeah, out of your mind!  (if you think i'll take your word for it)

"They just found another 60 billion a few months ago."

Who?
Where?
When? ........specifics, facts.....that's is what is logical and rational

only in the US is the debate still on as to whether or not the climate change is man made

20 billion? They just found another 60 billion a few months ago.  We haven't looked with modern equipment for 30 years.  that's why the democrats stand so firmly against EXPLORATION!!  because when the finds start rolling in they will look like the liars that they are.  The estimates of what is down there have been GROSSLY underestimated.  There is literally an inexhaustible supply for the next 100 years!!  Or more!!  That's not even counting coal (for the production of oil), or natural gas.

Besides, the world is going to use oil for the next 50 years at least, why then let the Russians and Chavez make all the money?  Do you have any idea what they do with their profits?  Do you think they run a clean operation?  Think Russia is going to be ever so careful up in the Arctic?  They aren't now, why would they in the future?  Get your head out from in between folks.  So instead of giving warplanes and nuclear weapons to our enemies, we should give jobs to our boys instead and bring OPEC to heel.  Sounds stupid huh?

out.

GOP blocks bail out.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html
Spin this HoBo!
5,064,000 barrels/day..........US oil production
20,680,000 barrels/day.........US oil consumption
OK, not so bad you may say.......about 25% of domestic consumption comes from domestic production.......we can fix that by drilling!

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/reser...

Divide 20 Billion barrels by
20 Million barrels/day =  1,000days.......hummmm

Looks like we are stuck on importing, right my friend?

No matter, it was asked and answered.  Try and indent your numbers next time.  More tidy and organized.

LOL..  ok  I'll wait for the copy/paste.  I don't bother with the stock market right now.  I dumped out.  If the Democrats aren't serious about this country, then why should I?  They just want to make sure ACORN gets their monies back even though they pushed atrociously bad loans onto the banks thru CLINTON & Co. 
Now the average Joe is hit below the belt. 
Well done Democrats. 

Watch the SPIN!!!

out.

number 3 is located just after 2 and before 4.
i tend to do things this way.
i know it's odd...but that's how i learned to count.

as for your counter-points...i will address these as well - right now i am watching the stock market.

Let's go through your well thought out analysis.  Can it stand a test of logic?  I think you know the answer, but let's go anyways....

1.) Oil is being produced all the time.  It is not finite, no more than the planet is finite.  there's not much we can do about that.  So oil has been found to be filling up old wells all through the U.S.   Besides that let's say that somehow there is a complete & instantaneous evaporation of liquid oil.  Okay.  One ton of coal produces 2 barrels of synthetic oil.   using those figures the U.S. has more oil available than ANY other nation just using coal.  Okay  point 1 has been proven to be an assumption and not a fact.  I won't bother to go into the fact that we haven't meaningfully even looked for oil where it truly is.  There's LOTS of it.  Destruction of Point 1 is complete enough.  On to 2...

2.)  As for non compete contracts, you'll have to be specific.  Contracts with whom?  Since oil companies don't set the price of oil, I'm not sure it's even relevant.   By the way, no bid contracts are done ALL the time in the business world.  they are not common, but given the correct circumstance, they are inevitable.  So don't do the work if not enough are interested?  Glad i don't work for you.  Okay  ..  generalizations aside, that is status quo in the business world, not just oil.  Don't forget only a few companies are even eligible or massive enough to bid all the work.  On to 3  ..

3.)   There is no 3!!  In your rabid and frothy responses you must have slipped a gear.  it's okay, we all get excited and lose our focus.  On to 4...

4.)   No one has invested more in alternative energy than the United States Government under George Bush (where was Al Bore when he was VP?).  The reason alternative energy isn't whipping down to your nearest energy outlet is  ..  it still isn't economically viable.  
You can look up the data.  See if Bill Clinton invested more than George Bush. 

The largest PRIVATE entities to invest in alternative energy are the hippies, including Greenpeace, Acorn, Mother Earth News, and High Times.  Gosh, is that true?  Of course not !!  the largest investments into alternative energy is BIG OIL.  Why would this be?  To squelch its powah??!!  Some think this.  Of course the same believe in little green men too.  No, BIG OIL is planning of course to be the PROVIDERS of any FEASIBLE alternative energy source.  they haven't found it yet.  But, if you think they are going to go the way of the dinosaur and let somebody else make trillions, you are smoking something.  I know you must be depressed by now but let's just finish making swiss cheese of your points.   So far, it's been easy.
On to 5  ..

5.)  No down side to alternative energy.  I'm sure you didn't think that through.  Certainly without even knowing what this future alternative source will be ( i haven't seen any yet) , there is ALWAYS a downside. 
WIND: Is inefficient and the concentration of mills in wind alleys  will create a massive infrastructure rebuild as yet unwitnessed by modern man.  NOT COST EFFECTIVE, also not RELIABLE.  Besides that it kills birds left and right whenever they are operating.
We don't have the power lines to carry it either

SOLAR:  I'm all for it, as soon as it gets to be economical.  Of course the sun is not equal everywhere, and of course anyone in the south in the hurricane alleys will be subject to rebuilding their systems every three or four years.  Earthquakes, tornadoes, cloudy days, 1/2 of our cycle is immersed in NO light.  No light, NO POWER!  It's a good thought but the holy grail of SOLAR has not been found  ..  yet.
NUCLEAR:  This is perhaps the only alternative energy source available today that is completely clean and renewable for millennium to come.  They are expensive to build but they provide uninterrupted power 24/7 at the most economical price available.
Of course I am gonna guess that you are against Nuclear power.  that's kind of funny, so rabid about a fix and when it turns out to be Nuclear, you close your ears.  Typical, but hey, you're a liberal, you don't have an economic policy based in non-fiction.  On to your final point(?).

6.)  Okay, so we have BILLIONS of barrels of domestic oil, and because we import so much, you would rather try something unproven than say  oh, let's see, just drill our own and give everybody a lot of jobs and bring the price down at the pump precipitously.  Didn't think that one through at all.  Yeah, better to shelve than drill. 

YES!! it is a National Security Issue. 
The answer is to increase our domestic supply!  Drill where we can all benefit and we can keep oil prices down and starve totalitarian regimes like RUSSIA and VENEZUELA of monies.

So get used to OIL and face the FACTS.  OIL is going nowhere in the near (50 years) future.  Better to pump it out now and drop the prices and make everybody lives a bit easier than leave it in the ground and force the US to mess up everything to feel good.  OIL is clean anyways, been proven over and over. 

The reason Al Gore bases everything on CARBON (erroneously) is that it goes after oil.  Water vapor is a much more virulent force upon Global warming, But then who do we TAX??  Better to shift the data and get paid than be honest and just adapt.

Man Made Global warming is simply HOT AIR.  There is a SINGLE volcano in Africa which matches the entire United States every day in Greenhouse Emissions.  Wouldn't the simpler solution to be to cork all the volcanoes?  Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?  No more than "Man Made" Global Warming does.

So I've left your logic in ruins.  Sorry.


out.

HoBo, i can't understand how being connected to an oil based economy is construed as a freedom.
(" You can scare the stupid and lazy into giving up their freedoms........")

We know now, and have known for over 30 years that oil is a finite resource........yet our elected officials in concert with oil executives have pretended that everything is just fine.  It has been profitable for politicians and oil companies, but not to the American consumer.  We could be driving fuel efficient automobiles (a choice like that would be a freedom, don't you think?).......but Ron Reagan had a better plan than Jimmy Carter, huh?
Thank you President Reagan for this legacy.  Thank you John McCain for you experience and foresight!

Regardless on where you land on the "global climate change" - whether you feel it caused or accelerated by man- doesn't matter.   (it leaves me agog those in constant denial that this really doesn't exist and it's some sort of "tree-hugger-socialist"  ploy to get everyone to use fluorescent bulbs and grow hemp). 
The facts are that:
1) Oil is a finite commodity. there is only so much- and then it's gone.
2) Our dependence upon oil has contributed to massive, expensive, and corrupt no-bid contracts, 3) Our dependence upon oil allowed the current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to engage in a military occupation costing more money and lives than we can even fathom at the expense of our needs at home that need to be addressed.
4) In the time that has already passed- as Bush and company engaged in the plunder of our money - we could have invested in the construction,  research, and implementation of alternate sources of energy that would decrease our dependency upon foreign oil to meet our "needs"... -not only providing jobs that would grow the economy- it would have shown actual initiative on the part of this administration.
5) There is no "down-side" to look to renewable clean energy sources.  
6) Our dependence upon our need for foreign oil leaves us on shaky ground when it comes to national security.

First of all, ..

Majyk, please do your research before you post.  there are NO viable alternative energies waiting in the wings.  Get over it, not gonna happen, not soon anyways.  Oil will be around as the PRIMARY source of energy for at least the next 50 years at a MINIMUM.  All other alternative sources are either not feasible or too "green".  When someone says the wind power is "green", it doesn't mean clean and nice and cuddly, it means it takes ALOT of SPACE to make it happen.  Wind is incredibly inefficient and undependable.  Coal plants work at 99.9% efficiency 24/7.  Wind power is aslo extremely hard on fowl creatures.  Walk underneath a wind turbine sometime and see the CARNAGE.  Not pretty.  Oil rigs have shorebirds resting contently all the time.  Can you imagine the outcry if oil rigs killed birds like wind turbines?  You'd all be up in arms.  With wind power, you just shrug your shoulders.  Hyporcites?  you bet. 
I won't even get into the massive overhaul to our infrastructure.  the bill would be outlandish and timely.
I could go on and on, but do your own research.  It's worse than I've said.

Global cooling has officially taken hold of the planet.  Temperature mean average on the planet dropped enough to send our temp avg. back to 1930.   The solar winds have slowed down and is of concern to scientists, and rightly so.  It's not Global warming dundrheads, it's Global Cooling.  Here's a tip, just do the opposite of anything Al Bore says.  That guy has been wrong on almost every major issue in his terrible career.

Man made global warming is the ultimate in deception.  I know we love to think that we are affecting the planet in a HUGE way, but it just isn't so.  Man contributes a mere 2% to the atmosphere.  So, if the other 98% wants to go HOT or COLD, there is nothing we can do about it.  Well, that's not true.  You can scare the stupid and lazy into giving up their freedoms and making certain ppl a half a billion dollars in four years.  Gosh, who could that be?

So don your parkas and burn some oil, we'll need the heat.



out.

Majk.....
come on!  Drilling is so.......manly!
"Real men" drill, pussys look for alternatives.  Get with the program!

Not sure if I understand why it's bad to care for the Earth. Please enlighten me. As for drilling for more oil in Alaska or elsewhere, oil tends to run out, where as solar, wind and hydro doesn't. Hopefully someone in America (and not in the middle east) gets the patent on some cool new powerstations.

Signed, your typical hippy-ass-wuss-liberal-that-hugs-trees-and-stuff

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps...

HoBo...for some reason i get the impression you didn't get the link, so once again, i'll post it.....so read it prior to rebuttal!

To bad Reagan has been turned into a folk hero by the spin doctors....

Just to get back on topic, anyone heard about the absence of sunspots  in August?  Seems there is mounting evidence of a Little Ice Age coming at us as opposed to what DR. GORE has Pontificated to the helpless citizenry, whilst making monies hand over fist.  Well Done AL, it's obvious you should have been President.  As if  ..  no clue.

"To every complex problem there is a simple solution which will turn out to be wrong."
H.L. Mencken


out.

Those weren't zingers Dave unless u were unaware of those FACTS. 

Carter tried to warn us of peak oil.  GG  What did he use smoke signals?  That would have been best becuz he was WRONG.  He was blowing smoke my friend.  Plenty of oil, plenty of gas  ..  plenty for the next 50 years and that is on the CONSERVATIVE estimates.  So, what do you do with oil since u say oil companies are our enemy.  Hmm  Dave?

Do you:

A.)  Allow drilling and INCREASE supply so price DROPS and EVIL BIG OIL makes LESS.

B.)  Refuse to allow drilling and DECREASE supply so price GOES UP and EVIL BIG OIL makes MORE.

Those are the choices.  Demand is upwardly inclined as third world countries are becoming more stable and economically viable.   Their appetite for OIL is growing not lessening.

Barring some whizbang invention that magically makes alternative fuel (pick ur choice) economically feasible, these are ur REALISTIC choices.

Of course there is one caveat.  It may well possibly be that (perish the thought) the greenies don't want oil prices to drop becuz only at ridiculously high $$dollars$$ per gallon does ANY alternative fuel even REMOTELY seem economically feasible.  Gosh, could that be?  No, No, they have much too much principles for that.  Right?  GG.

I'll repeat, oil companies don't set the price of oil.  PERIOD.  They do the BEST they can (wouldn't u?) with whatever price is available to them. 

As for tax breaks and such, they PAY PLENTY already.  Two years ago, when gas was 1.50 nobody said a word about "windfall" taxes.  Why not????  Big oil profit margin was about what it is today Dave.  So, what is different other than the media and democrats stirring the pot and spooking the herd (you)?  Nothing at all is different, except the continuing vulnerability to price swings caused by our incredibly high import percentages. and an inefficient CONGRESS who refuses to tell the GREENS to stuff it.  Naturally though we should elect two Senators from that Congress in the upcoming Presidential election.  That should be ur outrage Dave.  It sure is mine.

As for your retirement.  Well done.  I am also retired, although I still dabble in my career for the pure enjoyment of it. 

So we have that in common.  One other thing we have in common is we both used a heck of a lot of OIL to get to that retirement.  And it sure helps doesn't it?  Imagine life without it.  It was quite an advantage yes sir, and you and I took part fully, just like everyone else.

Where we part ways however, is I wish to hand down that advantage to the next generation or two, so that they may enjoy a fruitful life.  You wish to put them through an additional hardship which is fully unwarranted.  No need to make the future cringe so the BABY BOOMERS can beat their chests and swing at windmills, which unfortunately will be their legacy.

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"Oil companies overpay their taxes on a regular basis david.  Do you?  Ok then, nuff said there."
"Over 50 % of this nations citizenry hold stock. "

NICE ZINGERS HOBO!
Now that it costs almost $80 to fill my tank, i am glad i'm retired and don't have to do that on a weekly basis just to drive to work!  Any stock i may have owned has been liquidated to help fill that gas tank.  Oil Companies may be  our neighbors, but they are NOT our friends!
J. Carter tried to warn America of "Peak Oil" in 1977, but our so-called leadership decided to prop up the industry with lots of perks!

Construction bonds at low interest rates or tax-free
Research-and-development programs at low or no cost
Assuming the legal risks of exploration and development in a company's stead
Below-cost loans with lenient repayment conditions
Income tax breaks, especially featuring obscure provisions in tax laws designed to receive little congressional oversight when they expire
Sales tax breaks - taxes on petroleum products are lower than average sales tax rates for other goods
Giving money to international financial institutions (the U.S. has given tens of billions of dollars to the World Bank and U.S. Export-Import Bank to encourage oil production internationally, according to Friends of the Earth)
The U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve
Construction and protection of the nation's highway system
Allowing the industry to pollute - what would oil cost if the industry had to pay to protect its shipments, and clean up its spills? If the environmental impact of burning petroleum were considered a cost? Or if it were held responsible for the particulate matter in people's lungs, in liability similar to that being asserted in the tobacco industry?
Relaxing the amount of royalties to be paid ........
http://media.cleantech.com/node/554

So please HoBo, tell us more fairy tales of our "friends" at the oil industry.

Oil companies overpay their taxes on a regular basis david.  Do you?  Ok then, nuff said there.

Profits for Big Oil averaged around 9 % this year David.   Too much profit for you?  How much profit did you make this year?  Ok then, nuff said there.

David  U said:
"Our country provides the infrastructure and protection necessary for these corporate citizens to produce a profit.  So we ALL share the tax burden for that support....what could be wrong with that?"

David, you have that backwards.  The profit from American business (large and small) provide the Government with the monies to protect the citizenry.  The Government PRODUCES NOTHING.  Corporate citizens?  Where did u get that?  You make them sound alien.  they are your friends and neighbors, David.  They are the Farmer in the field, the factory worker on the line, the single mother trying to make ends meet.  Corporations are paper entities David, they are not flesh and blood.  Run by Americans for Americans (patriotic music starts up in background).
Over 50 % of this nations citizenry hold stock.  Call them crazy but they don't think getting a 2% return on their Social security forced TAX is going to give them the lifestyle they have worked SO hard for.  Gosh, what's wrong with these people?   So don't forget david, the  business world of America  enables the Government to  do everything.  Not the other way around.  WOW, hard to believe I have to explain that.

this is too ez.

Prediction:  McCain will win the national election hands down, although voter fraud will be rampant and may tarnish the entire democracy process as in 2000.  Here's a thought.  let's go back and thoroughly examine Obama's state election races.  Wanna guess what will turn up stinky? 


@Guade,

It may well be true that horrid trade caps will become a political and unfortunately economic policy.  Pass the buck policies are always in vogue no matter who is in power.  Cap & trade caps won't work and won't help.  Someone is paying for Al Gore's electric bill somewhere, so where is the reduction? 
Thankfully I don't have to use science to examine this particular issue (right?  Conservatives are scientifically stupid, right?  lol) 

That's a bit ELITIST GUADE00 and also the answer to your query in November when you wake up one morning to find another Republican in the White House.  "Dang, we were caught being elitists again."  Can't believe a genius party like the Dem's can't figure that one out.  Maybe they need a few knuckledraggers to help them.  

As for the actual "Science' of Global warming, someone forgot to tell the SUN about our "scientific ideas".  Seems sun patterns are actually predictable, unlike carbon emissions (wow, i'm surprised).  No solar spots were observed during the month of August, an EXTREMELY rare and telling point of information.  Real life scientists (no not DR. GORE) actually educated in solar studies (unlike global warming where every hack not in the field thinks his opinion is equally valid) believe that we are entering a little ICE AGE.  If in fact these QUALIFIED scientists are correct, the dem's and green's are leading us down the road to further disaster.  I for one hope that AL GORE keeps ranting and raving about anecdotal warming evidence for the next 20 years.  We'll need all the HOT AIR we can get.

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HoBo,
Respect for my betters....why certainly.....but for BoyGeorgeBush?  Not that ass hole who shirked his service in 'nam by taking the rich kid's out with "guard duty".... he's just a pussy.
Yet still HoBo, how is it that a company making huge profits is LESS able to pay their fair share supporting this once great nation.  Do you really believe the tax burden should be so unfairly distributed?  Our country provides the infrastructure and protection necessary for these corporate citizens to produce a profit.  So we ALL share the tax burden for that support....what could be wrong with that?

My friends, the conservative element has always been slow on the science uptake. The arguments and the science are too "nuanced" for the average knuckledrag. It's a result of poor education, religious indoctrination, or investment interest, or all three.

But their time is limited. Even the famously insular Bush regime has acknowledged the human influence on a warming planet.  And their candidate, John McCain, the Bush shill, as loathsome as he is in so many ways, understands the role of humans in climate change. He even sponsored climate change legislation.

Substantive policy changes are coming in this field. So, to parrot the self-proclaimed "asshole" above, you better get used to it--that is, get used to cap and trade arrangements, carbon taxes, and emissions restrictions. Hell,  if you were smart you'd figure a way out to make money on these policy phenomena, it's what capitalists do best, eh?

The numbers that I see here:
http://exploreourpla.net/climate-change/co2-emi...

Show the USA as the number one CO2 emitter in the world, and the emissions rose 19.6%, while the EU only rose 4.4%.

Hoboboh, I don't think that you even followed the links to check the facts from the place where you found those numbers (climate skeptic's blog). That blog didn't have the numbers right either. The US is not the cleanest country ever.

We were not importing anywhere near the levels of today dave.  That's why it was sent overseas.  This is not the case today sir.  
Dave, you seem to not understand the business world you occupy.  I don't have time to spell out the basics to you. 


If you think that the government has the entitlement of interfering in the free markets, I guess that's your right.  
If you think Corporations should pay an additional tax for performing above average, even though the tax inhibits future performance, I guess that's your right.  
If you think that only certain types of corporations should be punished based on how you feel about them, I guess that's your right.  
If you think there is a single provision in the United States Constitution which gives Congress the power to take the monies of one american and give it to another, I guess that's your right.


There's just one problem Dave.  You are not right.  So while you have the "right" to feel the way you do, this does not mean you are actually correct in your assertions.  And you are not.  Not by a long shot.  


And Dave, why don't you just take the time to actually read what I've written.  Feel free to point out my factual errors (you won't find any).


"Georgie boy"?  
Have a little respect for your betters ok?  Like I just wrote above, read my previous post with a clear head.  Pres. Bush went to Congress in 2003 and spelled out the policy to AVERT this modern dilemma.  HE DID SEE IT COMING DAVE!! He was freaking PAUL REVERE Dave!! Congress wanted no part of it sir. Sound familiar???  


So don't whine about it now.


If Congress had acted and followed the President's policies, none of this would be nearly so bad now.  Follow?  Or is that too much open mindedness for you?


Why don't you just come out and admit your a social/marxist.  Don't worry, you are in the same boat as Obama.  


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........funny, we built one pipeline in the 70's, and the oil companies sold a large fraction of that oil to other countries, no?  So they take our AMERICAN oil and sell it to everyone else........yes.  The Free Market!  So, what's going to be different this time around?  Some of us American Citizens are beginning to tire of this.  We suffer, our bottom line is hurting, so WHY can't the oil guys share in this pain.  The leases the oil companies drill in and want to drill in belong to you and me.  Yet the oil guys see it as their right.
Remember when Georgie boy took office almost 8 years ago?  Dick C. had a private meeting w/ oil executives to map out an energy policy.  They didn't see this coming?
GIVE ME A BREAK!

Dave Dave Dave, what is to be done with you?  You are missing the salient responses of my latest post.  Corporate america pays it way sir,painfully, silently,  way more than you do.  Exxon paid 61 billion in taxes already.  Not enough for you?  They are skating somehow?  


LG Electronics posted 505% profit this year, should they pay a windfall tax?  Why not?  


Tax levels have a direct effect on corporations abilities to perform in the market place, so yes, they feel the pain.  Their pain is also your pain Dave, though you may not perceive it directly.   


What if you made a widget Dave and it became an overnight success.  You make a great profit of 10% (gangbusters?), you pay the applicable taxes to make you straight with uncle sam.  But wait Dave, you need to pay more because the ppl that bought your widget are feeling a pinch in their wallets.  That would be fair, right Dave?  Of course you may complain that you do not control the price of the widget (think oil), your widget is less than 15% of the market besides.  No matter, you need to pay above and beyond just becuz.  Wow Dave.  No matter that the monies extorted from you will now RAISE the price of your widget and hurt the very ppl the "tax" is supposed to help.  No matter.  


Why not just drill drill drill and lower the price that way?  Just Pres. Bush's executive lifting of the presidential offshore ban has dropped the price of oil from 150 to 125.  Not bad for not even building a single rig.  Speculation works both ways Dave.  The speccers have been betting on reduced future supplies and rightfully so.  Show them that supply will be increased and they will bet the other way.  It's pretty simple.  It's called a free market.  By the way, can you name a single govt. program that is run in the black or efficiently?  I can't.  So, maybe the govt. isn't qualified to make free market decisions for us, hmmm?  That's a possibility you should consider.




P.S.  President Bush called for all of this in his 2003 energy program which the Dem's trashed and burned.  ANWR would be coming online right about now Dave.  So don't play the blame game on Big oil.  Place it where it truly belongs.  Just look to the ppl who are pointing the fingers and you will have your true villain.  It's called Congress.  


Good day to you




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The reason you are feeling pain is because oil development as well as nuclear has been under assault in the US for 30+years.  This has been a long time coming and it's a shame.  


No one is getting bilked sir.  That's just BS.


As for windfall.  Hmm..  Why 2.5%?  Why not 10%  30%?  See where I'm going?  Big domestic oil netted about 9% profit this year.  OMG!!!  They have been taxed PLENTY along the way as well.  And they pay it too.  
So what is a windfall tax?  What does that mean?  It means that if the government can scapegoat a corporation in the media (willing partners), then they can whack a tax on them scot free.  Big Drug Corps. made about 15% net this year?  Tax them too?  If not, why not?  At what point of profit does it make it ok to tax them additionally?  At what point is it the governments role to extort money from an industry at all?


As for investing, don't worry.  Big oil has you covered Dave.  No one is more privately invested in alternative fuel than Big Oil.  No one sir.  No one spends more on R&D than Big Oil either.  All for 9% profit.  Sounds obscene doesn't it?!  


Leave the free markets alone Dave, and tell the government to get out of the way so we can fix this the American way.  The free market way. 




P.S.
And here is a BIG P.S. Dave...  Any taxes levied against ANY corporation is merely pushed down the line.  Pushed down the line to you Dave.  The reason they do it (govt.) is because it looks good and most ppl just don't get the fact that the tax is on them, not the corporation.  The corporation merely becomes the funnel.  Get it Dave?  Hope so.... 






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HOBOBOH......
Free markets are cool as long as they don't bilk the consumer, eh?
What on earth could be wrong with a 2.5% tax on oil windfall profits?
Yeah, i know......"but they won't be able to INVEST in Our future"---BULLSHIT!
Perhaps it's time time for corporate america to share in OUR pain just a bit.

No amber, what we believe in is open and free MARKETS.  200 years of oil is not the immediate future.  Oil is a clean industry today in the proper hands, and alternative fuels are worth looking at as soon as they are economically feasible.  Not before.  Certainly not instead of.  Let's not bite the hand that feeds us, which is the height of hypocrisy anyways.  Let's not disrupt the food supply to the world to experiment with alternative fuels either.  Perhaps you are the one who is short sighted.  You want what you want no matter who it starves or hinders elsewhere.  You are greed.

you conservatives make me sick. you are so short sighted, you care nothing for future generations only the immediate future as if your entitled to the planets resources. you are greed.

OK. Lets state all the things that are wrong here:
1. What a way to make that glorious moment look like a trivial moment in history. That photo gave hope to a nation in hard times. Now it just seems so cheap.
2. Global warming is not a huge issue. Now i'm not saying to go out and bury all your trash in your backyard and to go stick a heater on the polar ice caps, but come on. Actually some scientists found an underwater volcano under the polar ice caps which causes melting. You've never heard of it because eco-freaks have shushed it up.
3. It's been proven that global warming is part of a natural cycle of the earth.
4. Even if it is a problem, the industrial revolution made sure that it can't be fixed anyway so i'm not going to "go green" when what I do won't help.

Vot McCain!

I'm late here, but after reading all of the comments, I am finding a dire lack of a few points: For one, Norski (I think) linked to a guy stating that we might be going into global cooling. Do we really want to facilitate THAT process if it is true? Second, who can say whether a global temperature increase will be a BAD thing? Who's to say that increased circumpolar currents from the increase in sea level won't incrementally preserve and even increase the size of our polar caps, thus mitigating rises in sea level?

We don't know WHAT will happen, period. We don't know if the measures we take now will backfire in the future or whether our inaction today will backfire. So rather than spend billions reducing our carbon footprints, let's put that money into more calculable issues.

On the issue of oil...there is nothing wrong with switching to a finite resource, no matter the cost. We can dig for oil all we want (in fact, we should...gas prices are TOO HIGH), but it is an immutable fact that we'll run out eventually. Should we really leave our infrastructure crippled due to real oil shortages before switching over to something we can make as we need? Nuclear energy is the answer. We have developed technologies that equal ICE's in output and we have our infinite energy source. All we need is a more efficient storage medium and we'll be there. This isn't an issue of global warming as many like to attribute it to. It is an issue of self preservation and not paying those DAMNED TERRORISTS for our oil :P

Au Contraire!! (that's french)

While they may indeed be our suppliers, it is not because it is more expensive for us to drill our own oil. Where did you get that one from? Big Grin. If anything it would be the Venezuelan oil which is more expensive to process. I digress however.
The reason the United States is facing a price crisis can be found in the democratically controlled congress (whose approval ratings are now at HISTORICAL LOWS. Gosh, how come I never hear that on the news?). We have the oil. Kajillions of barrels of it. Our imperial Dem Congressional environmental doomsayers have decreed that its just too risky (what do they know about it anyways). We're up to out tuckus' in oil and natural gas. So when you go to the pump, and cry just a bit, remember the democrats and get ready for more of the same idiotic economic policies. I'm gonna be investing in oil tanker ship manufacturers myself.
Oh and by the way while the dem's are at it, they might as well derail free trade and ruin our global credibility to boot. OOPS!! Too late! Boy they are good aren't they?

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But OUR suppliers are Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. The United States has a lot of oil. Yeah. I know that. But it's expensive and costly to dig it all up, so we get it from elsewhere. Namely, OPEC (Venezuela). That's not much of a jugular, buddy. Nice try though.

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I'll just bypass the spam fillers and go for a factual jugular. The TOP three oil producers on the PLANET are in order:

1.) Saudi Arabia
2.) Russia
3.) United States (surprise)


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Too many trees = bad for the environment, and that's your justification for wiping out the Earth's forests? Seriously? While it may be damaging in some respects to have "too many trees," it's certainly the lesser of two evils against having NO trees, and we absolutely have one hell of a long way to go until we get too many trees. That's like saying murder and genocide are okay because "too many people is bad." In fact too much of anything is bad. That doesn't justify crime.

I'm not contesting that our dependence on oil, and specifically OPEC's oil, and more specifically the oil from the Middle East, is a bad, bad thing. It is very bad, and it sucks. I don't like being dependent on OPEC. The fact is though that's its more difficult to break with OPEC than you think, and that's what you're suggesting. We can't just rip it off like a bandaid, and expect them to say "Oh well, America's gone. Let's go eat now." No! It doesn't work like that! And with America in the mess we're in, the last thing we need is another enemy! And guess what: if everything was run locally, like you said, who is to say that any of the problems we have not would go away? People would still gouge gas prices, and we'd STILL be paying for it. True, Gore is making a pretty penny off of the environmental issues he raises. GW Bush made a living out of demonizing a foreign religion and culture and warring with that enemy for less than noble reasons. Gore, last i checked, didn't kill anyone or alienate any religion.

The truth of the matter is that we are not even the most dependent on Middle Eastern oil. Canada is the #1 shipper of oil to the United States, then Mexico, then Venezuela. Saudi Arabia is not even top 3! Oil is a problem to the environment. We need to find something else. There is something else, we just have to find it. The environment is in danger, so how can you sit there and laugh at me when I say that? How can you look at a traffic jam in the city or on a highway and see the ocean of heat waves ascending into the atmosphere and NOT think "this is bad"? Climate changing naturally or not, the environment IS IN DANGER! You're not realizing this. I'm not here to debate global warming. I've already told that, to me, both sides make pretty good arguments. But we as Earth's people need to unite to help the environment. As industry grows, as population grows, as resources deplete, we will need to address the environmental problems at hand sooner than you think. Now, even. The problem is so many people out there look at the liberals and the environmental advocates and think, simply, purely, "Global warming is a farce by the democrats," even if global warming has nothing to do with it. And they sit back in their chairs and watch T.V., without ever thinking that maybe that "liberal" argument has some validity. That is the danger! Indifference! It was a problem during WWII and the holocaust, and look where that wound up: hundreds of thousands dead, millions more without jobs, homes and families. Indifference is a crime we've committed in the past, and I'd rather not do it again with the environment.

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I'm always surprised at how long some of my posts are. That tiny little comment box deceives me. LOL

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Kyoto promises are nothing but hot air
22 June 2006
NewScientist.com news service
Fred Pearce

MANY governments, including some that claim to be leading the fight against global warming, are harbouring a dirty little secret. These countries are emitting far more greenhouse gas than they say they are, a fact that threatens to undermine not only the shaky Kyoto protocol but also the new multibillion-dollar market in carbon trading.

Under Kyoto, each government calculates how much carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide its country emits by adding together estimated emissions from individual sources. These so-called "bottom-up" estimates have long been accepted by atmospheric scientists, even though they have never been independently audited.

Now two teams that have monitored concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere say they have convincing evidence that the figures reported by many countries are wrong, especially for methane. Among the worst offenders are the UK, which may be emitting 92 per cent more methane than it declares under the Kyoto protocol, and France, which may be emitting 47 per cent more.
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Pardon the little C/P .. but it was dead on. At least I sourced eh? LOL
There is more of the story (drone drone drone), but I cut it off short for the sake of brevity.

Look folks this is all one big "shell" game. Isn't it always? Carbon trading, caps, it's all one slick "Carny" huckster scheme. There is one BIG glaring fact which must preface every argument for hacking up the global economy (and that is what is happening, just look at rice, ethanol is literally starving PPL to death), before you run around ranting and raving and regulating and piling up the DO-RE-ME (boy and hasn't Al Gore made a pretty penny off this, what a guy), before ALL that and more .. one must realize that the CLIMATE CHANGES, BE THEY WARM OR COOL ARE 96%+ "NATURALLY" OCCURRING. There is a period at the end of that sentence. No one says we don't want a cleaner environment and the United states HAS led the way for MANY years, way before the hysterics kicked in. No one and I mean no one(country) has cleaned up their own environment like the US has. So don't hand me this bull about not caring. One of the unforseen problems (think again about rice and ethanol) is that when you FORCE economies around as opposed to using open free market systems, you get repercussions which may undue all your good intentions. What good intentions they are too. I just love it when I'm at a function and we can all sip latte's and talk about what we're doing for the environment. It's all quite scintillating and self congratulatory. it makes PPL feel nice. But, guess what, "Watch the Birdie!", your wallet is gone. You won't have to look far, Al gore has got it. Maybe he'll be nice and trade you some carbon.
While I'm on this topic, the environment is so cool. We need to reduce our consumption of oil, that makes sense doesn't it? We all want to pay less for it, yes? High gas prices hurts the poor most doesn't it? It effects food prices and clothes and shoes which the "poor" pay a greater proportion of their income on then say the middle or upper classes. Thats a cold truth to live with as we refuse (Dem. Congress) to allow the U.S. to increase its refinery capacity or explore for gas and oil. You want to help the poor? Really?? Then you will call your respective representatives and tell them. By the way, the oil will come from somewhere right? I mean if not here then elsewhere, right? Like Russia up in the Arctic? Hmm, no protests there I'll bet. Do you honestly (think about it), do you honestly believe that countries like Russia or Venezuela are going to do a better job of keeping their work environments clean? Go to Chernobyl and send me a post card. And yet when you force the US to import oil because you don't trust EXXON, you are letting the control of our environment (we are all connected) be given to countries without our legal systems and regresses, without democracy for their own PPL, etc. etc. I mean think about it. You are by de facto ceding control of our planets environment over to hooligans and thugs. Wouldn't it be better let BIG OIL (boo hiss) do it at home where we can keep and eye on what they are doing? A place where we can have some legal recourses like we did in the VALDEZ tanker case? If you keep increasing your demand for imported oil it has to come in by a tanker like the Valdez. Statistically, there is your environmental disaster data. More imported oil, more tankers, simple. Not pretty is it. Domestic increase minimizes risk, increases jobs (american) and helps the poor! How can anyone be against it? I'll tell you how, through 30+years of misinformation and scare tactics. So let's all get together and have those latte's and smile about the opening of ANWR. The environment is so cool.


Yes OHK, about the trees, turns out that too many of them are bad for the planet as well .. (chainsaw starts) .. gotta go!!

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HOBOBOH, what you fail to realize is that when Americans hear that they aren't the #1 offender of toxic gas emissions, they will stop caring altogether. Yes I generalize, only because in this case it is true. Americans only care about what is the most pressing issue at the time. That's why so many have stopped caring about the War in Iraq (it's old news) and started caring about how they can only take with them 80 pounds of rice when they go to the grocery store each time. They won't care what our actual toll on the environment is unless it is communicated to them in a way that lets them know it is a problem. As soon as we lose our spot as #1 offender of this, then almost everyone looking at the issue turns their comment from "We need to deal with this" to "Hey, they're the ones doing it, not us, so let them deal with it!" It's not unfair or stereotypical of me to say this. It happens and it has happened. That is the concern. Not that you personally think it's a problem or not. The fact of the matter is that this IS a problem, and people will not notice it until it personally affects the tree they got standing on their front lawn. I don't condone the use of propaganda; far from it. Facts are facts are facts, and you can't tell the American people we are when we aren't, or vice versa. But we can make the problem personal. That's the only way they'll listen.

I know you didn't say you hadn't heard of the magazine, I was making fun of what you did say by exaggerating it and saying **I** hadn't heard of Time magazine. The point is people have heard of it, do read it, and actually believe what it says, just like many people read conservative, religious, or other liberal magazines and believe those. Should it be taken for gospel? No. But neither should the Bible, yet look where that is. Just be thankful it's not the #1 bestselling material of all-time, like that slanderous, propaganda-spewing bible. Getting rid of that--now THAT would save a lot of trees.

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Basically, the point is this.

Sure, we may have less increase in CO2 emissions than any other country, but we still have way more emissions than any other country in the world.

Second, we have the lowest increase, because we already are the most industrialized. Its not that hard to figure that stat out.

Third, if we want to say we are world leaders, we have to lead the charge. Its the same idea with nuclear proliferation. We have to lead the way, be an example to the rest of the world, if we are the world leader we say we are. We cant expect others to do what we don't.

By the way I never said I hadn't heard of Time magazine. Man, your reading comprehension is for shizzle. I asked who even bothers to read that rag? It is a rag and we could save several million trees just by getting rid of that awful magazine.

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I can't believe I have to explain this to you OHK. What it means is the KYOTO was full of HOT air. The free and open markets can solve problems with more efficiency and speed than any government regulation. I'll guess you are on the wrong end of this issue (Kyoto). That's not surprising. Wrong again!!
LOL, we don't care because we're doing the job better? It's the opposite you dunderhead.

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Hahaha, yeah. I haven't even heard of Time magazine! That's so true!

Okay, so the US is leading the way. Nice. Does that change anything? Is that reason enough to stop caring about the environment? Oh, we're good, we're the US, we've got the lowest emissions, so we don't care about the issue anymore! World, you're on your own! Screw you guys, we only care about ourselves and our shopping! That is so typical of the brainwashing that Bush's administration is unleashing. We're not at war! We're fine! Just shop! Help the economy! Don't think, just go!

Seriously, if we are in the lead, as you say, then what is honestly changed? We're still driving around in Hummers and gigantic SUVs just to get from our houses down the street. And there are still the ecological problems, like rain forests and specie depletion, that need to be raised and attended to. Thanks for the stat though. We can rest easy now.

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By the way, who even reads TIME magazine anyways? It's on the same level as PEOPLE magazine.

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I posted this earlier on another thread, but thought it might be appropriate here as well.

America leads the way!! Kyoto my ass .. Though it's not part of the Kyoto accord, the U.S. is actually closer to meeting its requirements than the countries that adopted it.
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION INCREASES FROM 1997 TO 2004:
World - 18.0%
Nations in Kyoto acc. - 21.1%
Nations not in Kyoto - 10.0%
U.S. - 6.6%
How bout them apples. Thank you George Bush for being right. Again.

Sorta like the Iraq War? Sorta like text messaging in high school classes? Sorta like giving your 6th grade daughter her own cell phone? Sorta like the Americans who still refuse to admit GWB is an awful abomination of a human being, let alone free world leader? Sorta like Christianity?

Yeah, if it's a dumb idea, it's a dumb idea. But regardless of whether or not a lot of these people are believing in something that's false, they ARE trying to help the environment and help animals. So who the fuck do you think you are in calling them stupid for that? You sit back in your comfy chair and laugh at the people who are trying to make a difference? I HATE Christianity, but if a Christian goes to Africa to help out the poor and the sick and the hungry based on religious reasons, I'm not going to make fun of them or denounce them. They are helping. Dumb or not, the idea of global warming is prompting more eco-friendly responses than any issue ever before, and I think that is fantastic. So if you really wanna bad-mouth that movement, then do it. But the idea, the response, the passion that it is igniting amongst the EARTH'S population, is enormous. And it's a good thing.

Oh, but global warming is wrong and dumb, so everyone should stop believing in it, go back home, and shop, because America's asking us to shop! Don't worry about the rain forests or the endangered animals--if they were meant to exist, they'd be existing! The insight provided by the conservatives on this blog is astounding.

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Seen on a poster:

If Three Hundred Million People Really Believe in a Dumb Idea:
It's Still a Dumb Idea.

Jennifer, that picture doesn't trivialize anything. Global warming, false or not, is a belief held by many people, and a concern shared by many people. It is not some trivial, meaningless issue, even if it is just a theory. The fact of the matter is that Time Magazine used a heroic and patriotic American picture to help raise awareness for a big global issue that many people believe in and participate in. And yes, while it does mention specifically the war on global warming, helping the environment is not at ALL a null issue. We ARE cutting down the rain forests at an alarming rate; we ARE wiping out species and destroying ecosystems; we ARE replacing natural wildlife with the mechanical urban cultivated landscape we are so used to. These are issues, absolutely. Whether or not global warming as defined by Al Gore exists, the delicate balance of the world is getting upset, and humans and animals alike are paying for it every day.

Furthermore, it is a BELIEF HELD BY A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. Do you know why I put that in caps? It's because there is something else that is a belief held by many people that no one seems to be talking about, and that one is religion. Florida is trying to make Christian license plates. No one cares about that because we are a Christian nation! Jesus died for us, and God forbid we do anything that might be considered liberal! In fact, any religion you name is going to be a belief and not a fact, and yet how much do we see about religion? Every other argument against Barrack Obama is that he is a Muslim, and his middle name is Hussein! Fuckin terrorists. If only he were a Christian! Oh wait, that whole Rev Wright thing. So.... he's a dirty Muslim terrorist who.... goes to church? Oh, but Christianity is not a belief. It's real. Not like global warming, which is just a theory. If only Time had put out a picture with those soldiers raising a cross! Then I guarantee you no one here would be offended.

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First of all I don't see any of you guys questioning the faulty laissez faire economic theory, so I don't understand why your so worked up about this well ground scientific theory. The way I see it global warming may be false but if it's true then it is a hell of a lot more of a threat than the Japanese ever were. As far as the marines go, I will admit that this is actually quite insulting. On the other hand as a pascifist I don't see them as much more than murderers.

OhHolyKnight,

{Hippie, pot-smoking, liberal bastards! How dare they voice their opinions when it differs so greatly from mine!}

Uh, exactly where did I call you that? You don't know me, so please don't attempt to put words in my mouth. That picture represents the things I listed regardless if it was a first or second attempt. And yes, it was disgusting to make a mockery of it.

OhHolyKnight,

re. "People are denying the possibility of global warming simply because they assume everyone who supports it is a smelly hippie. That is not true, and THAT is the point I am trying to convey. The fact that conservatorium made a claim like that meant I had to call HIM on it."

Some people, quite likely. I doubt that Dr. Gray, of Colorado State University, has that motive for questioning the doctrine of global warming.

More, with links, at:
http://anotherwaronterrorblog.blogspot.com/2008...

It's time that global warming be taken out of the must-believe category, and put in with other assumptions that can - and should - be tested against the real world.

I never said whether or not I was supporting the theory of global warming. You assumed I did because I called conservatives dumb. I don't know what to believe on this issue, since both sides have pretty convincing arguments.

To Norski,

People are denying the possibility of global warming simply because they assume everyone who supports it is a smelly hippie. That is not true, and THAT is the point I am trying to convey. The fact that conservatorium made a claim like that meant I had to call HIM on it.

To Buffoon,

Oh, so the young people have "no idea" what they're supporting? You mean, sorta like how everyone who supports the war in Iraq has no idea what THEY are supporting? The fact that you could be so ignorant as to assume that just because a person is young (say 30 or younger) means they have no clue what they are talking about and they are uninformed (as our awol webmaster Urban Conservative liked to claim) is sickening. I am young, yet astonishingly, I know the issues! Gasp! No, that can't be. According to you, every single young adult who thinks anything about an issue is wrong. Nice.

To Jennifer,

The raising of the flag at Iwo Jima was a very patriotic moment, indeed. But the first one wasn't as much. Yeah, that picture up there that everyone here is saying is so patriotic and so untouchable is actually a SECOND take. The first photo sucked, so they staged it and did it over again. The second one was good, and we kept it. You'll find that has happened a lot in our nation's history. It's not quite as profound as you think when you know the facts behind it. We might as well have shot it in Hollywood. But nobody has the right to desecrate that oh holy picture with such a mockery, right? Hippie, pot-smoking, liberal bastards! How dare they voice their opinions when it differs so greatly from mine!

Honestly guys, these are your best arguments? The only one making logical points here is Ross, and while I don't agree with him when he says the case is closed, I do agree that he is the only one making an actual response attempt.

So, I'm waiting.

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The CO2 growth rate over the past decade was about twice as fast as that found in the 1960s. Yet, all four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year(2007-2008), global temperatures have dropped precipitously.... an average of .70 degrees Cel.

How is is possible for the carbon dioxide rate to double over a decade and earth's temperature go down? Answer, because man made global warming is a hoax. The earth has warmed some 16 degrees Far. since the last ice age. Most of that warming was before the internal combustion engine or the first goal plant was built. It was not caused by La Nina as some scientists are trying to say now...If that is the case, why was El Nino not part of the warming of the 1990's?

Did the invention of the Model T cause the glaciers to melt that formed the Great Lakes...of course not. So what caused such GIGANTIC glaciers to melt thousands of years ago? Again, the answer is not man...it is natural temperature changes that the have ALWAYS occurred.

One thing these scientists are correct about...the debate is over. The earth has always heated and cooled several degrees. Case Closed.

When I first saw this issue of Time I couldn't believe my eyes. That they had taken a picture of one of the most patriotic moments in history and used it to promote the issue of global warming was appalling. The picture symbolizes hope, unity, patriotism and victory and to trivialize it the way they did tell me all that I need to know about Time. "Time" to stop reading it! (Although I guess that to stop reading it should mean that I started in the first place)

OhSillyKnight
yes, it is only a fraction of aging hippie marxist pushing enviroreligion
the younger, newer crowd are simply interested in being cool and faddish... theres a difference.. they have no idea what it is they support...

OhHolyKnight,

I think I've got it now.

People who question global warming are dumb.

They're part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, and Bush's nefarious plots.

It's all so much clearer now.

Seriously, "you're dumb" as a response to someone who doesn't agree with you is not the best way to convince an unconvinced third party.

Conservatorium, you're dumb. A lot of people believe in global warming, not just some tiny percentage of radical hippies. And if you really want to get into propaganda, and how absolutely sickening it is, then you need look no further than W and his entire administration's propaganda for national support of the invasion into Iraq. Click on the following link, and you'll see some of the most despicable displays of propaganda used by the government.

http://www.classroomtools.com/iraq_war.htm

I want you! To invade Iraq! Yeah, planting a tree, that's a LOT more offensive than that! Idiots.

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This Time Magazine ,"photo, " is an insult to those who raised the flag on Iwo and to every man and women who is serving or has served this Country.

Time is a JOKE!

The use of this imagery is absolutely disgusting. Using one of the most scared images in American history as propaganda for a belief that is far from a consensus is one of the most offensive things I have seen from Time.

visit http://www.theconservatorium.wordpress.com

Time Magazine's managing Editor Richard Stengel said in a moment of honesty during a speech at the University of Mississippi, "I didn't go to journalism school. But this notion that journalism is objective, or must be objective is something that has always bothered me - because the notion about objectivity is in some ways a fantasy. I don't know that there is such a thing as objectivity."

From NewsBusters.org, Stengel validates the cover of the April 21 issue as a "point of view." Richard Stengal's admission proves what most of us deduced years ago, objectivity in Journalism is fantasy.

Otto - American Interests,

Thanks!

Phil Chapman's observation and comparisons with historical data are being repeated in the American press - to a limited extent. I've been impressed at how many people are willing to risk their careers by defying the global warming doctrine.

On another matter: I may have mentioned this before, but "tasteless" is the nicest thing I can think of to say of Time's cover parody.

That's a highly relevant link Norski and I'm glad you produced it here. Being an Australian resident, "The Australian" paper is often on our kitchen table and that particular article drew my attention during the week.

As I wrote on my site: "During the Second World War, the Japanese empire represented a potent threat to the United States global warming does not. To use this image in a doctored fashion makes light of one of the most familiar moments of one of the bloodiest battles in U.S. history..."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Born in 1951, I remember those textbooks and magazines that said another ice age was coming. No kidding.

Now, the hot issue is Global Warming.

Just one problem: some fellow named Phil Chapman, who's a geophysicist, astronautical engineer, and astronaut, took a look at sunspot activity. Or, more precisely, to lack of same: on Wednesday of this week there was only one sunspot on the side of the sun facing us.

There's more in http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25... - and interesting reading it is, too.

Looks like the textbooks may have to be re-written again.

as a former vet can't we pick something else to represent the war of the climate?http://blogginontheright.blogspot.com/

I'm a common sense conservative (which isn't easy to be on the West Coast) and it doesn't take a lot of brains to know that all the garbabge, fumes, runoff etc. that we produce doesn't just disappear and chances are it's really really bad for us... I don't care if Al Gore's making money off of it... if the Dems can profit off Eco tech then so can I... and with the state our economy's in we could use SOME new kind of industry in the US. Frankly we're falling behind by not getting on board sooner. Aren't we supposed to be happy when market forces take over?

And I think it's very telling when so many of Bushie's own people have reversed their position... even the guy who formulated the administration's defense on ths issue.

Lastly, I think there's a Bibilical imperative to be good stewards of God's gifts... I think it's time we stop putting our heads in the sand on this one and TAKE OWNERSHIP of it... let's be the ones to solve it so it's a W in our column, not the left.

0.7 Celsius in one year. Sorry I forgot to include the time frame. Also mentioned that the Earth's global temperature is as low as it was in 1930. Don't know if it is true but intriging nevertheless

I don't know what all of the fuss is about but I heard today on the radio that the global temperature has dropped 0.7 Celsius. They said it was the steepest drop ever recorded and we might want global warming to happen or else we will be dealing with another ice age.

There was other talk about not enough sunspots on the surface of the sun but I don't know enough about that to be able to comment on it.

P.S. It was from Quinn and Rose in the morning, a conservative radio show on one of my AM stations.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

aaah, Jarrod,
i admit i have trouble reading your posts due to the grammar and spelling errors......please forgive me, for i am not perfect. So, i'll humbly ask you.....what is your direct question that you seem to believe i am avoiding?
What i have been saying is:
Regardless of the cause, climate change is something our civilization has to address.

Wow again just avoding a direct question, your worse then a politician. No david you your self do not have the ability to convince a polar bear that global warming is taking place.

Jarrod:
in your statement....."I'm smart enough to realize that there is nothing anyone here can say or show you to make you change your limited mental capacity to see the truth."

There was a time when i was more conservative.......but in spite of my limited mental capacity i saw the BS that was conservative doctrine as spewed out by Lee Atwater, and now Karl Rove(may he too get a deadly brain tumor.....)

Perhaps you don't subscribe to the reality of climate change, but to be sure, insurance underwriters do.

as a conservative petunia, one would think prudence to be a virtue among your kind....
But sadly, that is not the case.....is it?

davidwalters,

I like how you so skillfully side steped the apperent hole in your comments that I pointed out with a personal attack.

The bottom line, is you and all your chicken little firends like Al Gore are wrong. I'm smart enough to realize that there is nothing anyone here can say or show you to make you change your limited mental capacity to see the truth.

The climate is not a constant, and while everything on the earth has some effect on it, including man, we humans are insignificant in that. As time moves on the climate is going to change, and that is proven by the tropical forest that are found under the melting glaciers in Alaska (Hence it use to be tropical where it is now ice, or was ice). So since we have now established that mother nature will do as she pleses because she can do that, and will do that let stop pretending that we can control her.

The only think that people like you, and Al Gore want is another way to control the masses, just like the rest of the liberal crap mandates and policies. I for one will not wast my time and my money on something that is not a proven problem.

I know you have all of these Scientist that differ, and I'm sure that they are smart, and that they honest believe it, just like all of the scientist that thought that world was going to freeze in the 70 and 80's. Just like all of the smart Doctors that can't agree on if eggs are good for us or bad for us. Sooner or later you have to stop listening to what everyone else is saying, and open your eyes and make a judgement call for your self. I for one do not need big government of some looney scientist trying to find some other reason to control my life. I think that I'm doing just fine with out them.

I agree that we have to live with the climate changing, floods from too much rain, etc. But to give Al Gore a nobel peace prize is dishonoring all who have won it before. Global warming - phooey. Mother nature is just an old hag.....

JarrodM
You call me an idiot, yet your words ("......Do you even pay attention to what you are writing?") --speak volumes.
" Look Man is way to small and insignificant in its normal day to have as much of an impact of the planet as we like to thing that we have......."
i am sure i am not going to change your limited mind.....that's not my intent. But i will allow you every opportunity to prove your mental ability.
So let me reiterate.......regardless of who's fault climate change is, we will still have to deal with the results, from coastal erosion to loss underwriting........and you&i pay for it.

Norski, you nailed it, thats why I stopped, I have enough aggravation in my life,,,,

DavidM
again........read and study. The sea level has been rising incrementally over the past 10,000 years. My point is, there is already a problem, particularly for coastal communities......Dr. Pilkey has pointed this out. The state of NC spends large sums of money for "beach re- nourishment"........prudence would dictate thinking about this seriously instead of attacking the messenger

davidwalters,

Do you even pay attention to what you are writting? OK lets give you and this sientist the benifet of the doubt. Lets say that this statment that he is saying is true, that the sea has been slowly rising over the past 10,000 years.
mmmm 10,000 years. Well I guess then there is only one solution, we need to start eradicating all life on earth since it is causing global warming, and the poor people living on the beach might have to move thier houses back in a few thousands years.

Your an idiot davidwalters. that is all I can say. Somethings we just don't have any control over. We can spend out lives worrying about it, or we can go on with our lives, and deal with the changes that mother nature is going to make no matter what. The earth is changing and it always has.

In Alaska the supposidly the glaciers are melting. But under the glaciers is evidence of Tropical forest from hundreds of thousands of years ago. Well then maybe Alska was not suppose to have Glaciers on it. Maybe the real problem is all of this ice that we have all over the world is in the wrong place.

Look Man is way to small and insignificant in its normal day to have as much of an impact of the planet as we like to thing that we have, the earth is changing and it always will, there is an end, and it will come no matter what.

on the one hand, we can stick to pre-conceived notions and hire "scientist" to tell us what we would like to hear. We can then say.........."there's no scientific consensus!"-and place the matter to rest. In the mean time, beach re nourishment projects, sea walls and other expensive public works projects.........paid for out of taxes go on. Sea levels are IN FACT rising.
i cannot say, if in fact that increased amounts of CO2 will exacerbate the rising sea levels.......if it's not--we still need to have to pay for these projects. if it is fact,
prudence dictates action.

The discussion seems to be taking its usual course.

On the one hand, facts.

On the other hand, what everyone knows.

DavidM
again........read and study. The sea level has been rising incrementally over the past 10,000 years. My point is, there is already a problem, particularly for coastal communities......Dr. Pilkey has pointed this out. The state of NC spends large sums of money for "beach re- nourishment"........prudence would dictate thinking about this seriously instead of attacking the messenger


.

Dr. Orrin Pilkey davidwalters? You must be kidding. Talk to field scientists, not academic phonies feeding on the teat. Check the background of the group of paleontologists, their academic, and economic ties, that worked on the so called hockey stick method of checking the earth's temperature. read and study
Read the list of 450 + Climatologists that submitted a statement to congress challenging Al's fantasy. I think there's a distinct possibility that good professor is a democrat. read and study Check out what the Russian climatologists are saying, read and study. In conclusion davidwalters keep an eye on the sky that will soon uncover the lie. That would be the solar telescope launched by Japan in 06. I wish you and your fellow MMGW devotees the best, and remember, Al will join you on the mother ship.

We shall see my friend

let's have a beer in the meantime :)

"the sky is falling routine" is an old tired game...."
Buffoon, not according to Dr. Orrin Pilkey........he has just a bit of insight into this problem.
But don't take my word for it, read&study........

I watched aWWII vet today being interviewed regarding that stupid, stupid, stupid, Time magazine cover, insulting every vet ever, and he made the best statement regarding the global warming cult

He said he's had two houses on the beach for 57 years and through cooling and warming they are both still there..... remember, this whole global "the sky is falling routine" is an old tired game....

Buffoon....
Eyes wide open here! ".................more government strangulation of capitalism is going to solve and reverse a weather trend is plain old stupid..."
Good point, that government isn't going to reverse a weather trend........but the trend in higher sea levels is a fact observed in nature, and it translates into.......floods. And who ends up paying for the flood damage? The government, and ultimately you&i in higher taxes...........i guess i am, rather stupid!

David, please listen,, and tell the rest of the "convinced"...
I say without any malice or sarcasm... that this warming trend is a theory, man made or not, there has been huge amounts of data stating we are currently not getting warmer... always has been a theory and always will, because climate is always changing so how are you ever going to come to a consensus?

No one on the right is endorsing destroying the earth, thats just false...

but when these eco-investors (Algore) claim a tax scheme and more government strangulation of capitalism is going to solve and reverse a weather trend is plain old stupid... c'mon and if you cannot see it for what it is, I ask you to look at the situation again with open eyes...

Socialist/Communist say: capitalism bad - enviro communism good

make any sense?

Jarrod....
"So what the climate is changing, better get use to it, as true real historical data shows the worlds climate changes, it is not a constant, and it has nothing to do with man...."
If man does or does not have anything to do with, we still need to take prudent steps to mitigate the effects to humanity & the earth we inhabit. But what if we are entering a "warm cycle".....and what if increased CO2 does amplify this? Do we ignore it?

Who cares, this is nothing more then another liberal propaganda piece. Out of almost any topic facing the world today, this one has to be the one most full of nothing more then lies, and falsehoods. Gore should be arrested for causing a public scare with his false documentary, or even better yet, trying to swindle the world with his carbon credits. Talk about creating a false market.

So what the climate is changing, better get use to it, as true real historical data shows the worlds climate changes, it is not a constant, and it has nothing to do with man. In fact inspite of man kind, mother earth does what she does, and part of that is keeping us on our toes. I think that it is laughable that these people truly thing 1 that we as humans have enough of an impact to change the climate, and now 2 that there is something else that we can do about. No the best think that we can do as humans is one respct mother nature, and yes this means trying to take a little bit better care of her, and two make sure that we are prepared for what ever weather she decided to through our way.

The only thing that this made up crises, and all of the other bullshit going on out their in this world is doing, is making the normal everyday Joe and Jane distrust anything that a politician, and a scientist has to say.

All you fing bleeding heart liberals, that have nothing better to do then make shit up to try and control the rest of us is...

Folks
I'd like to sing a song about the American Dream
About me
About you
About the way our American hearts beat way down in the bottoms of our chests
About that special feeling we get in the cockles of our hearts
Or maybe below the cockles
Maybe in the sub-cockle area
Maybe in the liver
Maybe in the kidneys
Maybe even in the colon
We don't know

I'm just a regular joe
With a regular job
I'm your average white
Suburbanite slob
I like football, and porno, and books about war
I've got an average house
With a nice hardwood floor
My wife, and my job
My kids, and my car
My feet on my table
And a Cuban cigar
But sometimes that just ain't enough
To keep a man like me interested
Oh no, no way, uh uhh
No, I gotta go out and have fun
At someone else's expense
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah

I drive really slow
In the ultra-fast lane
While people behind me are going insane

I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, such an asshole)

I use public toilets
And I piss on the seat
I walk around in the summer time sayin', "How about this heat?"

I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's the worlds biggest asshole)

Sometimes I park in the handicapped spaces
While handicapped people
Make handicapped faces

I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's a real f**king asshole)

Maybe I shouldn't be singin' this song
Ranting and raving and carrying on
Maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong...
...
NAAAHHHHH!

I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's the world's biggest asshole)

You know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadilac El Dorado Convertable
Hot pink!
With whale skin hub caps
An all leather cow interior
And big brown baby seal eyes for headlights
YEAH!
And I'm gonna drive around in that baby
At 115 miles per hour
Getting one mile per gallon
Sucking down Quarter Pounder cheeseburgers from McDonalds in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable Styrofoam containers
And when I'm done sucking down those grease-ball burgers
I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag
And then I'm gonna toss the Styrofoam containers right out the side
And there ain't a Goddamn thing anybody can do about it
You know why?
'Cause we got the bombs, that's why!
Two words: Nuclear F**kin' Weapons
Okay!?
Russia, Germany, Romania
They can have all the Democracy they want
They can have a big Democracy cake walk
Right through the middle of Tienemen Square
And it won't make a lick of difference
Because we got the bombs
Okay!?
John Wayne's not dead
He's frozen!
And as soon as we find a cure for cancer We're gonna thaw out "The Duke"
And he's gonna be pretty pissed off
You know why?
Have you ever taken a cold shower?
Well, multiply that by 15 million times
That's how pissed off "The Duke"'s gonna be
I'm gonna get "The Duke"
And John Cassavetes
And Lee Marvin
And Sam Peckinpah
And a case of whiskey
And drive down to Texas
And-
(Hey, Hey! You know you really are an asshole)
Why don't you just shut-up and sing the song, pal?
You know, the whole time I thought I was that asshole
And it turns out it was him
What an asshole!

I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's the worlds biggest asshole)

A - SS - HO - LE!
Everybody!!
A - SS - HO - LE!

*dog barking noises*

I'm an asshole and proud of it!

MikeS......
"It detracts from the real objective, debunking the man-made climate change myth."
Conservatives would like to pride themselves on common sense thinking. If climate change is NOT man made as you wish to believe, we still face the same problem regardless of the cause. So, if humanity faces a threat, wouldn't it be prudent to take steps to remedy the situation?

Great Scott!

I see that there's a typo in that last post of mine (Winter' would) should have read (Winter' "would).

Clearly, my logic is fatally flawed, my facts fallacious, and my mind a few bricks short of a full hod.

I withdraw.

davidwwalters,

Greetings.

Climate change certainly isn't trivial. It isn't all that long ago that parts of Scotland became virtually uninhabitable, due to a cooling trend.

The Mayan civilization may have perished as a result of droughts.

These are not trivial events.

The point I was trying to make was that climate change happens.

But, since the changes happen on a scale of decades and centuries, many or most people think that the world was always just as it is in their lifetime.

An organization that announced a "Press Conference on 'How to Prevent Winter' would risk embarrassment. Most people realize that winter happens.

On the other hand, when the United nations announced a "PRESS CONFERENCE ON ‘HOW TO PREVENT CLIMATE CHANGE’ " - they were taken very seriously. ( http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2008/0802... )

The simplest way I can put what I was trying to say is this:

Change Happens.

Live with it.

Hi Norski!
"this photo trivializes the most honorable moment ........"
perhaps climate change isn't exactly trivial.

"Personally, I think this is a slap in the face to the brave Marines that raised our flag on Mount Suribachi over 60 years ago. ... this photo trivializes the most honorable moment of one of the bloodiest battles in our nation’s history."

I can't top that, as a comment on the Time cover.

About global warming, I'm nowhere near as panic-stricken as I'm supposed to be.

That's partly because I know too much about what's happened during the last few tens of thousands of years. There's the most recent glacial period, that we're coming out of.

More recently, there was the catastrophic Medieval climatic optimum, that ended the Mayan civilization and helped the Vikings start their raids.

A little later, glaciation around the 1100s, "significant climate cooling" about 1400 to 1700 (the Little Ice Age was in this period), was followed by a warming trends. That Little Ice Age wasn't the coldest year for parts of Europe and North America. That was 1816, after the 1815 eruption of Indonesia's eruption of Mount Tambora.

The point is that climate changes.

Most people, at least those living poleward of the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, realize that Earth goes through changes each year: we call them Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Water. Judging from the excitement about "global warming," most aren't as aware of changes that happen of a scale of centuries and millennia.

There's an interesting summary of recent evens in "Detailed Chronology of Late
Holocene Climatic Change" ( http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/ice/lec19/... ).

I just think this is offensive to use the Iwo Jima memorial this way.

Global warming is a dubious concept at best... and to take one of the most cherished images of American patriotism and make it a marketing gimmick - I find to be beyond the pale...

But what should I expect from a magazine that has honored, Hitler, Stalin, and the Ayatollah....

http://rightcommentary.com/2008/04/17/time-maga...

Bryan
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Dear Urban Conservative,

My medical news website, Hot Medical News http://hotmedicalnews.com features an article about a scandal in the Canadian health care system which your readers are sure to be interested in. Screw-ups in the Canadian blood system led to thousands of AIDs and hepatitis C infections. Although this was a full blown disaster complete with criminal prosecutions, the American media have almost completely blacked it out. The URL for the article is http://hotmedicalnews.com/bad_blood_in_canada.php

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

Brian Carty, MD, MSPH

i am worried when the state of N.C. is funding repairs to the infrastructure of coastal communities......due to coastal erosion. Coastal erosion due to: Higher storm tides.
Instead of sticking our heads in the sand, there is way too much at stake here; Do we ignore the problem or determine how high the tides may become?

!Boy!, have I been misinformed I thought the "green" means that everybody loves the Irish. This is a long playing commercial, sure I want conservation
and we need to take care of our planet. To make it a Commercial enterprise
out of it, well I think something stinks.

I wasn't offended as far as using the symbol of brave men fighting...love that pic. But if it was a war on disease, abuse, whatever....NOT global warming. It's such a joke.
Al Gore is not green...i guess he isn't worried as he says he is.
Go to:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/02/gore-mansion-...
and check it on snopes, it's true:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

LOL, I just saw this on FOX and randomly picked your blog to visit this morning, (so many to visit) and here it is again... Speaking as a vet and American this is indeed insulting,,,

when are we gonna get that National Punch a Libtard in the Face Day?