"this post is lame. this blog is lame. conservatives are lame.
Please join the real world. We are waiting for you to grow."

Care to actually discuss the article or are you going to rant off like a mindless liberal about how anyone with a different political opinion is inferior? Sorry, but unless you can actually see Obama for who he is, you're just a mindless sheep like the rest of them.

Very substantiative refutation of the arguments presented, poster #1, but alas, I must disagree.  In fact, I would argue that you, my friend, are the one who is lame, for finding that you cannot argue against the points presented and, in the infinite security of anonymity, resorted to petty name calling and gross generalizations of a majority of Americans.

typical post by a typical critic of obama.  if "ML Smith" had, in fact watched any of the demoratic debates in the primary, listened completely to any of obama's responses, compared them with other democratic candidates, our fictitious "ML Smith" would feel as foolish as he/she looks writing this rubbish.  it does not take a lot of ability to wander over to obama's website and learn what position obama has on any number of issues.  some people just take pride in being ignorant i guess. 

"typical post by a typical critic of obama.  if "ML Smith" had, in fact watched any of the demoratic debates in the primary, listened completely to any of obama's responses, compared them with other democratic candidates, our fictitious "ML Smith" would feel as foolish as he/she looks writing this rubbish.  it does not take a lot of ability to wander over to obama's website and learn what position obama has on any number of issues.  some people just take pride in being ignorant i guess. "

Go to his website? Please, that site just gives little tidbits of information without a detailed plan on how he's going to put those actions into place. Plus, he's flip-flopped on so many issues that whatever he says is usually irrelevant a few months later. For example, fast tracking alternative energies? You know what that really means? Lots of subsidies to corporations who don't need them and increased government regulation. Obama's entire campaign is just one big version of "the government will handle everything". Considering how much liberals bash Bush, I'm rather surprised they would engage in the same government expansion.

since you, chris, are far too lazy or inept to read beyond headlines, here are a few highlights of the extensive and comprehensive energy plan:

Provide short�term relief to American families facing pain at the pump

• Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.
• Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined
• Put 1 million Plug�In Hybrid cars – cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon – on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America
• Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025
• Implement an economy�wide cap�and�trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050

for anyone actually looking to be informed (which would not include "chris"):
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf

haha you make me laugh toe. Obviously you need take or re-take a macroeconomics course.

"Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future."

& where's that money going to come from? $150 billion doesn't just grow on trees. So how is he going to get that money? Oh, I know, let's raise taxes and tariffs! Therefore, any economic growth that was created just got creamed with taxes because Obama doesn't like the big bad corporations.

"Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined"

Yeah, I can pull numbers out of my arse too. Hmm, I think Jesus is also going to come back sometime in the next few years. Unless he has the data and the economists to back him up, I don't believe it.

"Put 1 million Plug�In Hybrid cars – cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon – on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America"

Again, how is he going to pay for this? If he thinks he can fix everything by subsidizing everything then he's REALLY clueless on the economy. You'd think liberals have never heard of a free market.

"Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025"

Oh great, more government mandates. What counts as renewable? Is it just solar and wind or does he call for nuclear power as well? I can't tell, Obama flip-flopped on nuclear.

"Implement an economy�wide cap�and�trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050"

Cap-and-trade? Are you freaking serious? Do you realize how much bureaucratic overhead that will cost us along with INCREASING energy prices?

Seriously, take a macroeconomics class. Now. If you don't want to or can't at least read Hidden Order: The Economics of Everyday Life, which will give you a basic foundation for economic theory.

Toe - you put too much faith in a politician.  Just because his web site says something, doesn't make it true. If he does get elected, please take note of everything he said he was going to do; and compare it to everything he actually does.  He's a damn politician for christ's sake.  He tells people wat they want to hear in order to get elected.  They ALL do it; both Repubs and Dems.

I can't believe some of you people. 

Chris,

excellent points.  LOL @ money growing on trees.  I wish.

first you say he has no plan-proven wrong .
then you say nothing is specified...wrong again, chris.
when you get your complaints in order...and find how obama has stated how these proposals would be funded  (it's all there)...you get back to me.

To: Chris, Toe and Me is Cool
 
Thank you. It is always nice to know that there are people who feel strongly about something! I wonder, though...why is that when people disagree, they resort to "gutter-speak?" Assuming my blog was totally off-base, why would anyone pour such vitriolic energy into their attacks? When I see a dumpster overflowing with garbage, I don't start screaming at it. I walk away.
 
Anyway, I'm glad to see that I can still get some blood boiling.
 
Gratefully yours,
ML Smith   

To: Chris
 
You seem to be the only one with a real "mushy blob" within your cranial cavity.
 
It is nice to see that there are still a few people that think these days.
 
I was especially imressed by "Me is Cool"s remarks. 'Yo, Cool, if you're so sick of these conservative blogs, what the heck are you doing here? Why don't you just go bowling, or play some miniature golf? I think you need to give that overworked brain of yours a rest.
 
ML Smith ("I 'aint Cool.")

To: Toe
Re: #4

I still think you need a new pair of clippers for that "toe" of yours, but to respond to your argument, I have wandered over to Obama's website far too many times. Mr. Obama is quite the political scoundrel...cluttering his websites with pie-in-the-sky plans for a "better" America. He is no different than any of the candidates when you get to the bottom of it all. 

Truthfully, I don't care what they say. I go by the old proverb, "What have you done lately?" Nothing? Well, that puts him dead smack where all of them are...nowhere. In the end, whoever winds up in the Oval Office will do as they are told. 

Only in American politics can fairy tale characters actually exist. We have both goblins and demons. The goblins are the faceless industrialists who roam the corridors with briefcases filled with cash. The demons...well, they are always someplace else, like Iraq or Afghanistan, wreaking havoc and destruction wherever they go. The strange thing is...we always seem to find out that the goblins have been doing business with the demons.

Does Mr. Barrack Hussein Obama have a plan to address that? No. He wouldn't dare mess with the demons, who kill our boys with weapons sold to them by the goblins! 

Yes, Obama will do as he is told. The question is...who will be doing the telling? 

ML Smith 

yes, i agree with the goblins and demons point- but, does one throw their hands in the air and give in?  does one KNOWINGLY vote for someone who will join in this activity?
america has been sold a bill of goods for the past 7+ years and only now some of this is coming forth.  anyone who thinks obama OR mc cain is the complete answer to the fix-all has not been awake for the past 55 years-
to address the many wrongs in washington has to come from having an independent press, transparency in government, an informed electorate, the end of "no-bid contracts",  having available,  ALWAYS , the use of a special prosecutor , to name a few.  oversight is absolutely necessary but this cannot be done when the justice department head refuses to even look or act.
much damage has been done during this presidency- not just in terms of the corruption at the highest levels, but in terms of our face as a nation and how we are seen around the world.  america's people are a giving and caring lot- when any disaster strikes - anywhere in the world, america is among the first to lend a hand- not for any other reason than because it's the right thing to do. 
we have been raised to understand the importance of leading by example.  we have been raised to celebrate our diversity while rejoicing that we are a united free people.  one people: americans. 

the fact that obama puts a face on these ideals that we were raised to believe in is the very reason that he has gained the admiration that you see.  to call those that believe in these ideals that we all hold as americans "sheep" and "obamaniacs" and "messiah followers" etc...to suggest that someone who voices these ideals, hopes, and the american dream is somehow misguided is a slap in the face to those of us who want to make the necessary steps to be, once again, the america that we grew up believing in. 

Toe #14

From ML

That one didn't even sound like you! I could not agree more. You have literally "hit the nail on the head."
I am not arguing with you regarding your beliefs - they are the same as mine. There is only one point that separates us, and I will mention it, but I hope you do not take offense because I am beginning to understand and respect where you are coming from.
The difference is this: Candidates, Obama included, say whatever they are advised to say in order to get themselves into the Oval Office. Label me a skeptic of the highest order if you wish, but I do not believe a word of his rhetoric. Again, I ask, would you feel confortable with Obama as President in a situation like the Cuban Missile Crisis?
I see Obama hiding underneath his desk, and believe me, Monica Lewinsky is not there with him.

ML Smith 

ML to Toe, re: #14

Toe! Finally, I found my way back...was caught in a net freeze and had to shut the monster down. Now that I am back, let me say that I had the wrong impression about you. Sorry. I think I said some things that I now regret. Based on your last blog, it seems to me that we are both on the same page. Perhaps we are not on the same paragraph, but who cares? I am beginning to understand and respect your POV.

If we differ at all, it is this: I do not believe that Obama is significantly different than any other candidate dating back to the days of Russian "shoe banging" and the "Hotter than Cold" war with Russia. I hope I am wrong.

Tell me, would you feel safe with Obama in office during a standoff like the Cuban Missile Crisis? I would not. Where do you think you would find him in such circumstances?

Under his desk?
Without Monica to hold his...hand?

Respectfully,
ML Smith 

Something that Obama promises he will do that I know he will do as he says. Less protection for babies born alive during abortion attempts. According to Obama, they are still not human and therefore not protected.

Now there is change we can believe in.

I am going to try this again, hoping that I can get through to you, Toe. 

First, let me apologize. I read you wrong. This is an unfortunate side-effect caused by excessive thinking, which is not my strongpoint. I think that I am beginning to understand and respect your POV. If we differ on anything, it is this:

Where will Obama be (assuming he gets elected) in a situation similar to something like the Cuban Missile Crisis?

1. Out playing golf with Snoop Dog?
2. At his desk, writing letters to all the people who didn't vote for him but somehow got counted incorrectly in his favor? (most of them with South Florida addresses)
3. Under his desk...alone.

Honestly, would you feel comfortable with this man in office under such circumstances? I wouldn't...no matter who the Pres. turns out to be.

ML
 

Okay, I think I figured it out, but we shall see, as I make my fourth attempt to respond to Toe.

I think that I underestimated your knowledge and misinterpreted your point of view. Sorry. After reading your last blog, it seems to me that we are basically on the same page, though perhaps we are not on the same paragraph. (figuratively speaking)

I am beginning to understand and respect your point of view. If we differ, it is on this alone:

Where do you think Obama will be in a situation like the Cuban Missile Crisis? I see him under his desk...alone.

Honestly, Toe, would you feel safe with Obama or anyone else in such circumstances?    

Wade, exactly what kind of change are you referring to? Loose, like pennies, nickels, dimes, etc? Listen, if he really said that, I feel sorry for him. I have always been suspicious of his political motives, but this throws a new light on him - we may be dealing with a sociopath. A baby born alive is as human as I am. If all of this is true, we are in great danger. I am not comfortable with someone who can even "think" of something like that. Please, tell us where you found that. 

Toe...I agree completely with everything you said in your last post. The ideals that Obama espouses are the very same ideals upon which this country was founded. I am sorry that  misinterpreted your previous blogs, but I am beginning to understand and respect your beliefs and values. Actually, you are the first person here to remind us that the liberties we once cherised have been trashed by the current administration. Thank you for that! 

My write-up on Obama stems from a historical perpective that I am unable to ignore. Since JFK, we have not had a leader in the Oval Office. We have had our share of imposters, and one sociopath thrown in for good measure, thanks to the folks in South Florida who "made a mistake." Essentially, we have been given a silver lined serving dish full of mediocrity to choose from every four years.

It sounds as if you are saying "we really don't have much to choose from, so we might as well go with the lesser of two evils." It makes sense, but it does nothing to alter the perception held by our two-party system that we are fools who will take whatever we are given. Truth be told, we deserve to be perceived that way, because we have never challenged the system - one that once worked because it was "for the people" and created by "the people." That is no longer the case. The scary part is that this trend of mediocrity will continue, ad infinitum...no, I am wrong about that; it won't go on forever. As a nation comprised by a vast majority of human beings, we are...collectively, like a computer generated file that has not been saved. Consequently, we are subject to deletion at any time. 

All it will take is one click, made at the wrong time and the wrong place...
Some writer from another planet will visit the barren, burned out remains of this once magnificently beautiful planet, and he will write a story, entitled "The Click That Turned Into a Flash."

In "The Natural," the catch-phrase was "If you build it, they will come." Given our present direction, the new catch-phrase should be, "If you have it, you will use it." How long, I ask, can you wait before you use your refrigerator? Snow-blower? Stereo? Car? Screwdiver? Obviously, the only reason you have them is to use them. A 50 megaton H-Bomb costs a lot of money these days. Who would be stupid enough to spend that kind of money on something they will never use?

I fear that time is running short. We need a leader who doesn't answer to the goblins; a leader courageous enough to break free from the shackles of our "industrial dictatorship" and change the status quo.

ML Smith     

wade, there are no snappy answers to complex questions.  my suggestions to you, wade, are as follows:  
1) if you are opposed to abortion- don't have one.
2) if you are male and opposed to abortion- don't create an unwanted pregnancy.
3) if you are male and  opposed to abortion and fight tooth and nail against all efforts to eliminate unwanted pregnancies you are not part of the solution.
4) if you opposed abortion on religious grounds, please feel free to have your opinion.  please understand that all others do not share your same religious dogma, however right you feel you are... to impose your religious beliefs upon everyone via legislation will not do... for certainly you do realize that this is unconstitutional.

The abortion debate is simple.  Life begins at conception.  Period.  If you want to allow murder of an innocent and defenseless life to ensure a better future for a mother, then just SAY SO.  Toe, your suggestions apply to gay marriage.  What two consenting adults do with their lives is their business.  But to try to apply that same logic to a life that cannot yet consent to anything is malicious, fallacious, and downright stupid. 

It's tantamount to pro capital punishment people arguing that murderers aren't really alive anymore; they're dead inside, so killing them is not murder.  Most of us put our beliefs on our sleeves: we don't want someone capable of taking another life to continue living, and we can see no reason to end a life that has done nothing to endanger or end the life of another.

This isn't about abortion. I do not know why this debate continues. A baby born alive is a living, human. To suggest that it should be killed is sheer insanity.

Imagine for a moment, that you were scheduled to be aborted, but you were born before the abortion was completed. Thirty years later, your biological mother decides that she didn't want you to begin with. Can she file a deposition requiring your immediate extermination? Might it be approved by the courts?

Toe, there is something about your use of the word "solution" that scares me. Add the word "Final" and you are talking "Fuhrer Speak." I don't think for a minute that this is what is on your mind, but there is some precedent governing the murder of a live child. It has nothing at all in common with abortion. Perhaps the two issues should be separated. That might eliminate some of the pathological rhetoric I am seeing.

Good night.

Toe 

ML Smith

Am I here? This is a question I must ask every day, because I never know when I will be lucky enough to make it to the page. Funny, all of my problems begin with a "B" - Browser, Barrack, Bernice (the crazy woman that lives next door) bunion, (the one on my left toe) no, not you, Toe, and bomb, as in "What is Barrack going to do when Iran announces they have twelve of them and they plan to use them. 

I know what McCain will do, and I certainly don't want him in the White House, especially if his VP is Cheney, who should be in the "Big House."

This is going to be one fiasco of an election, since nobody really knows anything about these idiots running for office...most people don't even know how the votes are going to be counted, if they are counted at all.

Why don't we just simplify things and forget the elections. People have been clamoring for Alfred E. Neuman for fifty years now. Why don't we give the kid a chance? So what if he has a bad case of acne and looks like a moron? At least he has a comprehensible platform: bomb everybody right away and add an extra day to the week.

The extra day will generate trillions of dollars in additional tax revenues - heck, we should have the national debt paid off in about 400 years! Can anybody come up with a name for this extra day, which will extend the year to 416 days? Oh! I almost forgot. Alfred has a few more ideas that will definitely bolster the economy and beef-up the infrastructure.

1. An "Air Tax" - this should have been written into law years ago. People have been paying for every other natural resource, so why not air? Athletes, particularly marathon runners, will be surcharged, since they use much more air than anyone else. People with breathing disorders like asthma and emphysema should get a rebate, along with those who are pronounced clinically dead and come back to life. (this should be a one-time only rebate - people who die frequently just to evade the tax ought to be disqualified from any rebates)
2. The fifth line of the eye chart will be changed, since 90 percent of the public already has it memorized - "abcidefg" - and more than 40 percent of that group is comprised of legally blind drivers who cheated on the vision test.
3. Establishment of a National Administration for Acts of Blatant Stupidity. (NAABS) The act will enable NAABS to incarcerate people like Al Sharpton, Elliot Spitzer (whose pants come down faster than the Dow Jones on a bad day) and many others.

I can't remember the rest, so I will get myself outta' here now. "What...me worry?"

ML Smith           

Hello and Good Morning, Mr. Blog Administrator!

From now on, I will put little effort into these blogs, since your system, which must have been programmed by Jack Kerouac, continues to spank the living daylights out of me.

If you can ever get this straightened out for me, I will write in my list of platform ideas that none of the candidates have mentioned yet, including an Air Tax and the establishment of NAABS, the National Administration Against Blatant Acts of Stupidity. I will be the first person prosecuted, since I am stupid enough to think that this comment line will go through.

  

Wade, you really need to find multiple sources from all sides in order to disect truth from fiction. 
Rush Limbaugh falsely claimed that Sen. Barack Obama:  "numerous times, three times in Illinois voted for legislation that would allow doctors and patients to murder babies who survived abortions and were out of the womb. Radical stuff. Three times he voted for this." Limbaugh misrepresented the legislation Obama voted against, a bill that amended the Illinois Abortion Law of 1975 and that opponents said was unnecessary, as the Illinois criminal code unequivocally prohibits killing children, and posed a threat to abortion rights. 
Hannity has also parroted these misrepresentations as well as many other outright lies printed in Corsi's "book" ...a publication that has been solidly dicredited point by point over and over again.  If you had plans to invest in this, your money would be better spent to donate the money to your nearest "no-kill" animal shelter. 

"Do not fear the darkness – we will find our way out because at the edge of every forest there is a condominium that will light the way."

Yes, a thousand times yes.

In response to MR Reynolds: I am not entirely sure what you mean, but I do like the way you wrote it. (reminded me of something from a time long, long, ago)

It is a good thing that you did not put an exclamation point at the end of that "Yes, yes" business, or someone might have misinterpreted your remark. 

ML SMith - i am not sure what the issue is when you post comments, but it's automatically deleting all your previous comments everytime you leave a new one. Try inputing a different email address when you leave a comment. 

To Mr. Smith

From a woman's perspective, I must say that you are as genuine as a $3 bill. I am assuming ML are male initials, because you write like one - arrogant, opinionated and obviously chauvinistic. Who is he to say what should be done with an aborted but live baby. The decision should be entirely up to the biological mother. While the baby may still be alive, she has every right to have it euthanized.

Mr. Smith, you are exactly the kind of man that we can do without. I notice that you have been having some problems with the blog site. Perhaps you should take that as a clue, i.e. you are no longer welcome to post your inane blogs, which do nothing but take up space.

Apparently you think the election of our next president is a joke. Ha Ha. Alfred E. Neuman is a sexist pig! I would not vote for him even if you put a gub to my head. That's right, gub, as in "Abt naturally, I am carrying a gub." You and your filthy minded friend, Woody Allen, are two of the most arrogant male chauvinists I have ever encountered. Based on studies my friend Charol has researched, people like you are "agonists." I know that you both have limited vocabularies, (I was the best sepeller in my class every yaer) so I suggest you look the word up in a dictionary, if you know how to use one.

As for you, you pimply faced simpleton, stay in your stupid magazine where you belong. I would not be surprised if you and your buddies (the good old boys that stink up rooms with their cigars) vote against Obama. You are not smart enough to recognize the man's brilliance. You probably think like that Smith character, who trashed Barrack in his poorly researched blog. Barrack is a man of substance. True, I do not know yet exactly what that substance is, but I will find out, just as he will eventually figure out what he will do in that big, white house on Pennsylvania Avenue.    

ML Smith

It is good to be back...again. Kudos to Michael and Blog Administrator.

There seems to be a great deal of controversy about this abortion business, which I do not understand - an "abortion" is not technically an abortion if the baby is still alive. The purpose of abortion is to kill the unborn fetus, which is not considered a "baby" if it is killed. Aborting a pregnancy is one thing; killing a living baby is another...entirely.

Since abortions are normally the province of the biological carrier of the fetus, law allows the "non-mother" to decide. "Do I want this child, or do I want to abort?" I do not know if there are any laws on the books concerning the time window for such decisions to be made, but the question must be asked...and answered. In this, we have a dilemma of humongous proportions. 

Think about this for a moment. Obama's position allows for "after the fact" abortions. In other words, a living creature commonly known as a baby can be euthanized, though I prefer to be blunt about it and say "killed." I could take it a step further and say "murdered" because that is exactly what it is.

As far as the "time window" for such a decision is concerned, Mr. Obama needs to be more specific. If he isn't, the euthanization could theoretically be done at any time. If Mrs. Bglnowczysj goes in for an abortion and the baby is still alive, how much time does she have to decide what she wants to do with it? One minute? 15 minutes? An hour? A day, week, month...or can she wait for 30 years? I can see it now.

A knock at your door. The "abortion police" have come for you. No need to bring your toothbrush - you won't need one where you are going. 
"Mr. Bglnowczysj, your biological mother has decided that you are to be deleted immediately."

If Wade is correct, I can only conclude that Obama has a serious thinking disorder. If a living baby is not considered "human," what is? I am neither pro or con on the abortion issue, only because I still haven't figured it all out yet. However, I am leaning away from pro-choice...there is something about killing "anything" that bothers me. Pro-choicers say that since the unborn child is part of the woman's body, she can decide whatever she wants. I say this: we still do not fully understand the reproductive process, and until we do, we have to presume that it is meant for one purpose only - to procreate. This has nothing to do with God, either, although "no-choice" advocates say that God is the force behind all reproductive processes and therefore, abortion is murder in his eyes. Some go as far as to say that abortion constitutes murder of God's child.
Which God? There are so many of them - do they all feel the same way? And, for that matter, how can anyone know what the "Supreme Being" thinks or feels? I do believe there is a Supreme Entity of some kind, but I tend to go with Joan Osborne on this - God may be the slob sitting next to you on the bus, or the beetle climbing up your leg. I'd prefer the slob, simply because I don't like insects, and I cannot imagine going to church and praying to a beetle.
ML Smith 
 
 
 
 
 
 
       

Harriet,

What is your problem? Here I am, minding my own business for the most part, and you come along with a suitcase full of vitriolic comments about Alfred E Neuman and his friend Woddy Allen. Is it my fault that Woody hangs out with Alf? Last I heard, Woody has no injunction preventing him from hanging out with a comic book character.  

I am deeply offended by your remarks about Mr. Neuman. And not for nothing, "speller" is not "sepeller." 

Harriet, I believe you have been seriously misled about Senator Obama. When the smoke clears and he is in the White House, which he is destined for because he has no "real" competition, you are going to feel like a fool. Obama is a sheep in sheep's clothing. His platform is loaded with spellbinding rhetoric and virtually devoid of substance. When he does take a stand, it is invariably ridiculous...like his "live" abortion position. When he takes office, he will do exactly what he is told - no less and no more. Let us all hope that he is not faced with a crisis larger than the ones we are challenged by now. I have said this before, and I will say it again for your benefit...he will be hiding under his desk, praying for Allah to deliver him from this mess he has gotten himself into. 

ML Smith   

Yes, Reaper, I have not forgotten that. I have a box-full of Obama trash and I know more about him than I really want to. 

I have a good friend who views Obama in the same light...this is a dangerous man. If given the opportunity...

Well, you know what they say about America being attacked from within, right? 

Here is how it's going to unfold:

First, he will will push a new law through Congress requiring that all child-proof packaging be made adult-proof. That should be easy, since most everything is already. Last year, I nearly decapitated my thumb attempting to open a new CD. The damned thing clamped doen onmy thumb, requiring me to go to the ER with a CD attached to my thumb...not exactly "cool" if you know what I mean. They actually had a miniature jaws of life - the doctor seemed to be more worried about the CD than he was my thumb, but I knew something he didn't; CD's are virtually indestructable and could probably withstand a direct hit from an RPG. They ought to consider using them as body armor.

"Hey, Joe, don't forget your CD Vest."

Anyhow, he'll start small and gradually work his way up to the big stuff. Before you know it, America will be annexed to...take your pick, I'm not going to say it. 

America has almost always been obsessed with threats from within, but no one has ever considered the possibility that Americans may soon be the real Threat From Within. Obama is nothing more than an Advance Man for the new circus in town- Ringling Brothers and Ahmed and Bailey Circus. Do you know which way Mecca is?

ML Smith,
signing off.

There are three main reasons why a vote from me for McCain would never happen.
These are not based upon rumors, emails, books filled with lies, innuendo, misquotes, partial quotes taken out of context, fear mongering, misrepresentations, his color, his birthplace, his schooling, or his parents.
Three reasons :
1) His has shown and continues to show a disrespect for women, including his wife and past wife.
2) He has a cold war mentality- unable and unwilling to understand the evolution of "third world" countries and how they relate to an ever-growing world economy, a cold war mentality that not only places him politically in a backward state of mind filled with suspicion for cultures that do not mirror ours, but also places him chronologically in an era of political thought of what amounts to who can write their name best in the snow.
3) His reactionary response to everything is war or the threat of war.  Pre-emptive strikes are not the way to win friends and influence people.

Toe,

   Another good try on your part, yet your still wrong. You know Toe, you get on her and make a lot of claimes and accusitions and as normal you don't have anything to back them up. You yell that people here are just reiterating someone else's talking points. My question is how often do you clean that mirror that you are looking into when saying these things.
 I'm not even going to get into item 2 and 3 of your last post. Since just proving your trying to serve us all kool-aid on this first one, makes me not even want to bother with your other two miss-statments.

1) His has shown and continues to show a disrespect for women, including his wife and past wife.

This is from the transcript from the Saddleback Debate.
20      Q.  THIS ONE ISN'T ANY EASIER.  WE HAD A LOT OF 
        21  LEADERS BECAUSE OF THEIR WEAKNESSES, CHARACTER FLAWS,
 
        22  STUMBLED BECOME INEFFECTIVE ARE NOT EVEN SERVING
 
        23  ANYMORE.  SERVING OUR COUNTRY.  WHAT'S BEEN YOUR
 
        24  GREATEST MORAL FAILURE AND WHAT HAS BEEN THE -- WHAT DO
 
        25  YOU THINK IS THE GREATEST MORAL FAILURE OF AMERICA?
 
         1       A.  THEY DON'T GET ANY EASIER?
         2       Q.  NO THEY DON'T GET ANY EASIER.
        3       A.  MY GREATEST MORAL FAILING, AND I HAVE BEEN A
         4  VERY IMPERFECT PERSON IS THE FAILURE OF MY FIRST
         5  MARRIAGE.  IT'S MY GREATEST MORAL FAILURE.
 

What is your point?...it's difficult to read through your jumbled "thought" and creative spelling.

As a woman, I placed McCain's treatment of women first because it is ingrained in his life- while it's possible that he may someday see that women are as equally capable (and in many instances BETTER) than men- to tell a joke that he found funny concerning rape, to (even in fun) offer up his wife as a contestant in what amounts to a slut contest, to treat his previous wife and family in the manner he did are FACTS. 
The FACT that he is hot-headed- with a foul mouth and quick temper- McCain is NOT the person I want representing me or my country or in charge of "the button".  PERIOD.

Again you are making a lot of half accusations with out showing any proof to them. What was the joke, what was the context that it was told in. What slut contest was this?

You know Toe, you constantly act as if your so superior to everyone at this site, yet you are the ones that seems to always incapable of making a real point, with real evidence.

Wow your right Toe, I should have read this part of the Transcript. This part really shows what he thinks of women.

.  I UNDERSTAND THAT.  WHAT ABOUT GENOCIDE IN
 
        12  DARFUR OR THE MASS KILLINGS TOOK PLACE IN GEORGIA?
 
        13       A.  OUR OBLIGATION IS TO STOP GENOCIDE WHEREVER WE
 
        14  CAN.  WE ALL KNOW ABOUT RWANDA.  NO ONE KNOWS THAT
 
        15  BETTER THAN YOU AND THE SADDLEBACK CHURCH WHO HAVE BEEN
 
        16  SO ACTIVE.  BY THE WAY CINDY WAS JUST THERE WITH MIKE
 
        17  HUCKABEE AND DR. BILL FRIST AND HAVE SEEN WHEN THE
 
        18  WOMEN OF RWANDA ARE DOING.  THE WOMAN ARE TAKING CHARGE
 
        19  OF THE FUTURE OF RWANDA BECAUSE THEY ARE SAYING NEVER
 
        20  AGAIN AND THEY ARE DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
 
        21            DARFUR, OUR MOST RESPECTED FORMER SECRETARY
 
        22  OF STATE COLLIN POWELL CALLED GENOCIDE SOME YEARS AGO.
 
        23  THE QUESTION IS HOW CAN WE EFFECTIVELY STOP IT AND
 
        24  OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE AND WE'VE GOT TO TRY TO
 
        25  MARSHAL THE FORCES ALL OVER THE WORLD TO JOIN US.

For any one else that would like to read the Transcripts of this Debate they can be found at http://rickwarrennews.com/transcript/

Thanks for the link Jarrodm, but it's a bit hard to read since whoever wrote the transcript put it all in caps.

Here's a link (from the same transcript) asking the questions and comparing the two side by side: http://www.thirty-thousand.org/pages/Saddleback_16AUG2008.htm

Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit.
‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.
‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.
‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.’

as far as the "contest":  google it yourself "Jarrod"- the MIss Buffalo Chip contest.
everyone else who actually reads the news knows of it.
his gorilla joke suggesting that women enjoy rape is NOT funny, but does underscore his neanderthal thinking towards women.
his comments regarding chelsea clinton are well known.

"jarrod" your statement:
You know Toe, you constantly act as if your so superior to everyone at this site, yet you are the ones that seems to always incapable of making a real point, with real evidence.

i have not only given you facts- i have given you the opportunity to check them for yourself.
it's amazes me that you sit in your little mental cubicle and ready immediately believe in trash emails, misquoted and misrepresented statements regarding obama's stand on any number of issues , refusing to check facts for yourself and have the nerve to fault me for being superior for having done this. 
you are welcome to live in your poorly maintained mental and educated state- that would be your choice.  
 

TOE,

    LOL Are you kidding me Toe. Your talking about something that happened 22 years ago. From my research it would seem that this was all made up for political reasons. Seeing how the only written article on it, even states that no one is sure what was said. The person writing the article even states that she heard this second hand. Does not exactly sound like conclusive evidence to anything, other then maybe a last ditch effort to derail McCain 13 days before an election.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/07/15/mccain-ape-rape-joke-recalled-by-sources/ 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/sources-recall-mccains-jo_n_112955.html

   Again are you freaking kidding me Toe. Ted Sampley, your using this man as some sort of source of information. You best check out more on this despicable man. http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm
 
   As far as the issues between him and his first wife, I know he regrets a lot of what happen. As shown during the Saddleback debates. It is his biggest regret, and his acknowledges that he sinned a lot during this time.
 
Toe your points are a joke, and unfounded. Your blinded to the real world around you, and the destruction to this nation that Barack will cause if he is elected. We all thought that Carter was bad, just wait because it is going to get much worse.

LMFAO @ TOE,

  Your out ragged by this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtQGAtbe04

   OMG you are a sad person TOE, a very very sad person. Please explain to me how this is degrading to his wife?

LMFAO @ Toe

  Are you kidding me, this is what has your panties in a twist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtQGAtbe04

I'm not sure I'm seeing the offensive part in this? This is what one would call talk to your audience. Sort of like when Clinton get's a southern drawl in her voice when talking down South. It is called relating to your audience. I would think that such a well educated woman as your self would understand that. For some reason his wife did not seem all that offended, in fact I think that she was blushing a little.  Toe your ridicules that is all I can say.

Again like I stated before. You come in here making these judgments and these claims, and they are all built on half truths, or out right lies perpetrated by the kool-aid drinkers. I had respect for you before but not any more. Your a well educated, very articulate moron just like Barack.

LMFAO @ TOE

http://www.mockpaperscissors.com/?p=8449

I'm not sure I'm seeing the offensive part in this? This is what one would call talk to your audience. Sort of like when Clinton get's a southern drawl in her voice when talking down South. It is called relating to your audience. I would think that such a well educated woman as your self would understand that. For some reason his wife did not seem all that offended, in fact I think that she was blushing a little.  Toe your ridicules that is all I can say.
 
Again like I stated before. You come in here making these judgments and these claims, and they are all built on half truths, or out right lies perpetrated by the kool-aid drinkers. I had respect for you before but not any more. Your a well educated, very articulate moron just like Barack.
 

Like I said "jarrod",  you are certainly entitled to remain ignorant- this would be your choice.  If you believe placing me intellectually in the same sentence with Obama is a slam, you are even more ignorant than your posts prove; not just by their content, the spelling, the lack of reason and logic and unwillingness for truth seeking on your part, you must resort to name calling rather than admit that you are wrong and proven so.  Good luck with that.
I have stated my reasons why McCain will never get my vote.  Never.
One leads by example.  McCain has shown himself to be not the example of a leader I want.

 
Let me try this one more time a little more organized so you can follow Toe. For all your supposed education, it sure it hard to make you understand.

Your Points.

  1. McCain is bad to Women.  (My Rebuttals in are in Bold)
         Your Evidence
               a:) rape/ape Joke: No one seems to be able to definitively prove that he told this joke some 22 years ago.
            b:) Ted Sampley: The same guy that claimed MIA Wetzle was chopped up into little pieces, only to find out when Wetzle was found that Sampley made it up.
               c:) McCains ex-wife: McCain said that the break up of his first marriage was his biggest regret, and that he did a lot of sinful things during this time. Let's not forget that he also got home from being a prisoner of war. Not that, that would not mess with your mind a little.
                d:) Miss Buffalo Chip: I'm still puzzled why your offended at this, when his wife was not. In fact she seemed to be blushing a little bit. Most women like it when their husbands believe they are beautiful.

   Like I said before the other points you where trying to make are nothing more then opinions based on lies and half truths. I will grant you that it is possible that McCain made some really off color bad jokes. No one is perfect in this world. You made a statement in another post on this board that you don't understand why Conservatives would vote for McCain if they don't back him 100%. Yet you get your panties in a twist about conservatives here supposedly not thinking for them selves. Seems a little ironic that we are able to say hey you know what, there are things that I don't like about the Republican candidate this year. He is not a true conservative, and I don't agree with everything that he does or says. But because of the things that I know about barrack, I would rather vote for McCain.

   mmmmm It would seem to me that this shows that most of the conservatives on this board understand the issues, and understand the candidates and have used their brain power to come to a conclusion. I don't know why you come to a conservative board and get all upset when people don't listen to you. It would be the same thing if I was such a McCain worshiper like you are with Barrack, and when to a Liberal board. Maybe you need to find a new audience, one that is more willing to drink the kool-aid that you are trying to sell.
 

I really hope that every one takes the time to check this Ted Sampley out.
http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm

Toe,

   You acctualy tried to use this guy as a source of information about McCain. You should be ashamed of yourself. Honestly I believe that you owe everyone at this board an appoligy for even trying that. This guy is scum, and you quoted him as a source. You are more of a fool then I thought.

@toe,
People who have sex then want to abort the unwanted child are selfish, self centered, childish, and more. If you don't want kids, don't have sex in the first place.

Also, there are plenty of sources that follow and post the voting records of all politicians. If YOU check out the same sources you would find the truth.

This is beginning to sound like a bad soap opera.

First, I trust McCain about as far as Johhny Unitas could throw him today. I really don't care that much about his private life, his marriages,  his philandering or his attitude toward women. He has no morals or ethics...what would you expect of anyone running for office? Sure, McCain has