I found a great site that has pictures of those two fags--


http://smouch.net/lol/

Well said Gunslinger

Wow things really degenerate into name-calling cat-fights quickly around here!

Olbermann and Matthews are overt Lefties, cheering on the Democrats. Can we agree on that?

And that's fine. It's their privilege. Just as it is O'Reilly's privilege to support whatever it is he supports. (Bloviating "populism" is as close as I can figure.)

But "anchoring", historically, has always implied at least the attempt to appear non-partisan.

In that, Olbermann and Matthews obciously fail utterly and purposefully. That being the case, they are inappropriate choices as "journalists"—if by that we mean "reporters" and not "party operatives".

As long as they present themselves as Democrat Party devotees, it's all good. When they are presented as "anchors" with the traditionally understood implication of "fair and impartial", it's an insult to the profession, the network, the events they cover, and the viewers.

Poulan.....
perhaps if you ever visit Camp Lejune, swing by Fayetteville.......where we could chat.  marines are, if nothing else, fun to drink with!

Poulan....
"President Clinton signing an executive order to prevent offshore drilling."

Poulan, like McCain's campaign, you just make shit up.....

http://www.google.com/search?q=ghw+bush+prohibi...

Actually it was GHW Bush who signed the executive order to ban offshore drilling......GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.........
Remember the 8th Trait of a leader?  To refresh your memory.....it's INTEGRITY, WHICH MEANS
Being Truthful 

Bush and Cheney are the SOB's that are responsible, all the while supported by McCain........and their energy policy revolved around gaining access to even more oil.  Not conservation, alternatives.......nothing except oil.  Like all your eggs in one basket.  Not a good idea, huh?
That isn't leadership, just a give away to the oil industry my marine friend!
Airborne All the Way!

Troopergate is a win, win situation. 

If the investigation is stalled or thwarted:
It remains an issue.  Questions can linger.  It is reminiscent of Karl Rove ignoring a congressional subpoena.  It's a legitimate political question magnified by the ticket's "reform" pledge.

If the investigation proceeds:
Probably no criminal findings but a lot of embarrassing details.  A stark contrast to the carefully crafted image they are trying to put out there.

After initial cooperation from all sides, all of a sudden people are getting lawyered up and refusing to talk.  The committee that approved the investigation and the investigator consisted of 12 law makers.  8 of which were republicans.  BTW, they voted unanimously yes on both.  Given the recent corrupt past of politicians in Alaska, it just looks bad.  If nothing was done wrong, why not cooperate?  As is the case in most scandals, it the cover up, not the crime, that ultimately does in the culprit.

Maybe they can convince people that this investigation or investigations in general are "sexist."

I forgot which threwad we got into Troopergate, but it is going down.   The Alaska AG threw out the subpoens

Alaska AG: Troopergate witnesses won't testify

Dave

Just like every other liberal/Democrat, you howl at the moon that President Bush and Vice-President Cheney have created every problem (imagined or real) that has befallen this country for the last 7.5 years. It gets a bit tiring hearing this mantra day and day out. You all have never gotten over Gore losing the election; oo[s I mean stolen which how it is perceived on the left.

So when you come out and throwing something that is totally false someone is going to call you on it. You want to cherry pick some report from a liberal website for an answer fine, but don't expect everyone to put their pack on and follow you down the road.

Yea, I guess we could have listened to President Carter or maybe we could have prevented President Clinton signing an executive order to prevent offshore drilling. Yup, hindsight is 20/20 when it is exercised each and every time.

How about more conservation, more drilling, more nuclear energy, more alternative (solar/wind), etc... I can agree with that! How about you? The minute any President (a democrat one wouldn't) mentions nuclear there would be every left wing greenie at the ready to burn down the Whitehouse.

We moved well off the original reason for this thread (Olbermann/Matthews being canned), but as a last jab, I'm always up for a good fight. Have been for the past 52 years and I wouldn't hesitate to call you phony with you in front of me. Maybe we can meet in Japan for some sushi and Asahi beer and then hit the Sumo ring.

Semper Fidelis

Oh, did i mention this war costs
$10 BILLION PER MONTH?

Actually Richard, i seldom read the daily kos.  The best information comes from observation.  Noticing how John McCain was so in favor of this costly war in Iraq, and that he was in fact chairman of the Senate Commerce Commitee(you know, the guys who write bills pertaining to investment banking?)
So i anger you.  Realizing your weak argument, you come out and try smearing me, calling me a phony.....what do you base that on, I doubt you'd call me a phony to my face......so much for inter-net anonymity, huh?   No pasty ass'd Mr. Colmes here my friend.

The reason for increased oil prices is like you said.....Production not keeping up with demand.  Why?  Supply cannot keep up with demand, which is something every president has know since Jimmy Carter bought this to the attention of the American public in April of 1977.  It's called "PEAK OIL" my friend and our 3% of the proven reserves is not going to sate our 25% of the demand, not this year, next year , or the years after.

I remember Dick Cheney holding a closed door meeting shortly after He and Bush were sworn in for the first term.  They knew oil prices were going to rise due to increased demand outstripping supply, and for that reason, they have failed the American people.  Some energy policy!  Had we listened to President Carter in 1977......we wouldn't be going down this road today.  Perhaps we'd have the alternatives at this time.....
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps...

So we slide into greater debt, send our sons&daughters to a needless death in Iraq, and strip all regulations from our banking industry and the best you can come up with is to blame libs!  Grow up and become a real man Richard!

Dave

You throw out a completely lame statement hoping that it will stick or possibly send someone over the fence to liberal land. Then you throw out a link to another liberal puppy farm as some sort of proof for your lame statement. Guess what, you get another liberal website that throws out the same crap; SAME ANIMAL! Hell, you should have just listed the Daily KOS, I would have gotten a better laugh from your efforts. Using your logic, I suppose we can blame the woes of our legal system on a sitting President and Vice-President that happened to be lawyers. Come on Dave, your hanging around a blog that can instantly spot a phony.

You can head to any of the leading agencies that delve in the world of oil vice a liberal media hack outlet and you will find out the primary reason for the increased cost in oil. Production not keeping up with increased demand! You can also add restricted production by OPEC to inflate the price of oil, natural disasters interrupting production/refining, the many different brands that have to be refined, limited exploration, etc... What you won’t find is President Bush or Vice-President Cheney as the cause.
I guess you must be the Alan Colmes of the Urban Conservative. It’s funny how liberals arm themselves with disinformation and head out to the arena for a fight and end up getting squashed with facts and logic. I would suggest you find a different venue that might be more receptive to your way of thinking.

Stix......a glutton for punishment you are!
Al-Quida in Iraq is a franchise........the CEO's of the parent organization are not in Iraq.  The franchise pop'd up in Iraq because there were so many targets in there.  Had we not gone there we'd have 4,000+ more live American Service Members today........who could potentially be hunting down the REAL target....Osama Bin Laden.
But Bush and McCain had better ideas.......lets get bogged doen in an unwinnable war in Iraq that'l cost $10 BILLION PER MONTH......
Did i mention that this Iraqi conflict is costing Americans $10 BILLION PER MONTH?
With $10 Billion per month, we might not be so deeply in debt, now would we.   Econ101 warns about carrying too much debt.  That isn't wise, now is it?

Do you mena Al Queda in Iraq, the ones that send letters back and forth from Zawahiri in Pakistan,so that is figments of our imagination.  And Calling Iraq a central battle for Al Queda is wrong.   Hmm kind of weird.  I mean they call themselves Al Queda in Iraq, correspondwith Zawahri and act like Al Queda.  I guess the local tribesman are wrong also.
So we werewrong all along.  
Wow just because you said so. It must mean it is true, since you have such a great grasp of what is going on there, we must relent and agree with you

It's time to wake up.....we are no longer children.  There is a real world out there with real problems that need to be addressed in an adult manner.  Children play the Blame Games.....So start thinking as adults.  John McCain has supported this war and is in favor of enlarging our deficit....he wants to send money to Georgia (The Republic, not the State of......) Is this sound leadership?
Ever heard of Phil Gram?  McCain's Economic adviser......he wrote the law that allowed the present melt down of investment banking to occur.
Wise to let him whisper in ol man McCain's ear?
Careful what you wish for.........I know most of y'all voted Bush 2X and look what we got instead of real leadership.  Wake up people!

gary......
"Which America are we talking about ?"

The common sense America, ........
you know the one that understands that McCain is Part of our present problems(economic&military) as Chairman of the Commerce Committe(the guys that were supposed to regulate Investment Banking)
......the guy that thought Al-Quida was in Iraq, while we now know they've never left the Afghan/Pakistan Border.

Call it left or right, but McCain's policies and statements of his long history in 26 years in congress are not RIGHT for America.

Charles........regardless of debatable revisionist history, Bush has totally F**ked up our nation and it's military, in continuing a $10 BILLION PER MONTH war where Al Quida is not present.  It is just stupid. 
Did you hear Pakistan(once an ally of ours) has ordered it's troops to fire on US troops violating that border?  Oh, and they have nukes, and more than just one as i recall.
Bush is a fool and so is McCain
"I am very certain that this military engagement will not be very difficult." (John McCain, September 12, 2002.)

"But the fact is, I think we could go in with much smaller numbers than we had to do in the past. But any military man worth his salt is going to have to prepare for any contingency, but I don't believe it's going to be nearly the size and scope that it was in 1991." (John McCain, September 15, 2002.)

"I think the victory will be rapid, within about three weeks." (John McCain, January 28, 2003.)

John McCain's experience certainly seems to trump Obama's Judgement

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For David..

David, you have to know that the current or at least "Big Picture" was the result of the Clinton's Administration Foreign Policy of Tolerance, typical Leftist mentality, from where you live, I can gather you were once in uniform, and from that stand point, the Homeland is more secure than 8-10 years ago.  The reason Al-Qaeda is in Pakistan is because the inability of our "Allies" to guard thier border, but then again, if Clinton would have sent in the Tomahawks in 98, we would not be in this mess.  I agree that we cannot afford to lose more money, the Libs refuse to address the Social Security Debacle, your age group may receive it, but mine (1977) will not see one dime (Have worked legally since I was 15 years 364 days).   As far as wasting Service members lives, it is sad that we have lost 4,000+, but we have made a massive improvement in the quality of life for the Iraqis, (first hand knowledge of the Sunni Awakening in Al Anbar province) even the Libs poster boy (Obama) has admitted that the surge and subsequent reduction in violence has been remarkable.   I am not naive or above admission that things have been bad, but if we would have pulled out and left the Vaccum as the Dems wanted, it would be far worse.....at least we did not get a bloody nose and run (Mogadishu), which was Clinton at his best.....As far as the Iraqis in the black, you are correct, we MUST diplomatically ensure we are reimbursed one way or another.

Gary 1
America 0

Poulin
your catty remarks not withstanding, ........No, i'm just using common sense.  Electing Oilmen to the 2 top executive positions in 2000 seemed like a poor choice.  My understanding of "peak oil" comes from my understanding of this problem in the mid 70's as a geology major in college.  But an expert, i am not.  Yet J. Carter did(way back in 1977):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps...


And i also understand supply and demand(econ 101)........so why didn't these business experts(Bush&Cheney) foresee this problem......isn't this what is expected from elected officials?
So now we have another election, with one candidate, who's chief economic adviser (Phil Gram) was the architect of the banking deregulation that has led to this current meltdown.  Seems like a no-brain er, yet it begs the question......  Do you have common sense?

David, I see that you are now an expert in petroleum. I guess we should bow to your intellect in portraying President Bush as the culprit in the $4/gal. gas prices. I guess we can ignore basic economics dealing with supply and demand. If production does not keep up with demand the price of oil goes up. If there is decrease in demand the price of oil goes down. World demand for oil as gone up (China, India, etc...) and production has not kept pace. If you're trying to garner enough evidence to prove ignorance on your part; You're guilty as charged!

Mr UC dearie dear,
- I have never claimed that you lied about your military service.
I have never called foul to anyone here for telling the truth.

Charles,
"Are you saying this is too much to pay for safety and freedom?"

What safety or freedom?  Charles, the Al Queda elements that brought us 9-11 are in Pakistan.......not Iraq.  We are wasting our service member lives, and all this money that we simply cannot afford to loose.  All the while we are spending BILLIONS per month down this rat hole, the Iraqi government is in the black!  WoW!  This is insane my friend.

Thank the Lord!!!  The site of Keith makes me sick.  This Right-Wing basher is completely out of his element, he should go back to telling one-liners on ESPN.  His incesant diatribes are grotesque and filled with anti-Bush sentiment, he makes no valid point and his ratings prove it.  Bravo MSNBC for getting this right.....Finally did something commendable.
 In Reference to:
Not per year......
" The costs of maintaining a US presence in Iraq now runs a tab of about $435 million a day -- $3 billion a week, or $12 billion a month

Are you saying this is too much to pay for safety and freedom?  I have served two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan......IT IS WORTH the price of admission, if we did not have to pay for every social program the Libs want, we might have more money to fight the Islamic, Muslim extremist who want to kill Americans

Keep on dreaming.........but that's ok.  I fought for the right for everyone to have a freely expressed opinion.  But one day, you'll see i was right, just like all those guys i told 8 yrs. ago that a vote for Bush Jr. would be ushering in $4/gal. gas.  Sometimes being right sucks!

We will just have to agree to disagree on this.  WE are coming from 2 different points of view and will never change the others mind. 

And the War is not what is putting debt on the economy.  It is all the laws that made it easy for people that should never have had loans to get them, during the Clinton administration.  All these banks would not be bankrupt if they would have used common sense and not given loans to those that did not qualify before.  

Also the Military Budget is oinly a small portion of the huge Budget that we have now and Entitlements and descrecionary spending has been the biggest part of that budget.

BULLSHIT Stix..........that is a huge portion of the debt that is hamstringing our nation........and you know it!   The Grand Old Party has taken this nation down the tubes. 
You know, there was a time i almost voted Republican......1984.  I realized that many things Reagan said about dems was correct.  I opted not to vote.  Now you face a tough decision your own self.  Good luck!

Believe wahtver you want but this war is nothing compared to the Entire Budget, it is the largest it has ever been ad I blame a lot of that on President Bush, he left his conservatism when he enterd the office, which was why many were pissed at him.  But the alternatives was nothing any of us conservatives wanted, so we begrudgingly voted for him over Francious Kerry, you know he was in Vietnam.

McCain will definitely rein in more of the BS that is going on, but he still will grow the government with his idiocy oni Global Warming (Manbearpig), but Obama will ust be the worst thing we could have roght now.   Raising taxes in a economic downturn will not work and will only make things worse.

100 Billion 300 billion or whatever it is is still nothing compred to the waste of Entitlement programs.   Military expenditures are less then 10% of the budget, Entitlement are over 70%.   In any way you put it, the Entitlements will bankrupt us before any war.

Stix.....
so your only retort to a $10Billion/MONTH<<Read
NOT YEAR, but MONTH War in Iraq
........IS to say that my figures must be wrong since they didn't come from the white house? (Maybe the white house doesn't want to publicise this any)
I've got the mumps........i'm spiking quite a fever, so YOU do some research my friend. and you'll ,sadly see how you have been HOODWINKED!
Wake up Stix, my man.....This country is going downhill rather quite quickly, and it's gonna take some serious thought about your misconceptions and those of many other Voters who have been on this Republican bandwagon.  Goodnight, and happy researching!

Just think of all the good the government can do with all the waste and fraud that is used in Social Security, Medicare, and other failed policies that are only going to bankrupt our country.  What if we could actually invest and grow our own money and pass it on to our children???  Instead of the waste of Social Security we have now.   Right now it goes into the general funds and is wasted on stuff other than SS and Medicare.   There is no Lck Box and there is only a n bunch of IOUs now worth a few $trillion.


You know that the main job of the Federal Government is to protect us from outside enemies right??   And that Social Security and all the other social programs are no where in the Constitution. 

Local and State government wold be better at doing this than the bloated federal bureacracy.  Federal geovernment has grown way to big and has everyone sucking the teats off of the governmentr on the backs of those that have suceeded.  

Do I think anyone will have the balls to change this???  Hell No.  We are on a downwards spiral just like Europe.  Adn it saddens me that we have come to this.  This country was found on individual integrity and ingenuity, not hand outs from the government.


You are delusional if you think the War in Terror is a monkey on our backs.   If we do not fight now it will only be worse later on when Al Queda and the rest of the Islamists regroup and gain more dominance in The Ummah.

You do realise that this is not a new thing.   Islamists have been at war with us for hundreds of years.   Islam was spread by sword over Spain, Eastern Europe and North Africa.   Even when this battle with Al Queda is over, there will still be Islamists that want to take over the world.   This is just a small battle of a long war against the Islamists.  


Note that I am saying Islamists, not Muslims.  Not all Muslims agree with Al Queda and the Taliban in bringing about the World Caliphate.  

Al Queda itself has said that Iraq it the main battle right now and are running scared because we are winning in Iraq.   They are being shown what they are to the whole Islamic World and the Islamic World is rejectign them.   Just a few years ago they were lauded by most Muslims, now they are a pariah in Iraq and Ahfghanistan.   They are leavimg Iraq in drovers and moving to the Afghan Pakistania border.  And that iw where the next battle will occur and we are already fighting them there and making good ground, until the Islmists in Pakistan are getting upset.   And Obama would invade Pakistan, ans ally with nukes, and Bush is asking the Pakistani governmment for permission. 

Do some research and do not take the MSMs word as truth.

Sorry for the ramling but my mind was going in all different directions.

We can't fix anything until we are rid of this monkey off our collective backs......Wake-Up, my man!

Stix
Not per year......
" The costs of maintaining a US presence in Iraq now runs a tab of about $435 million a day -- $3 billion a week, or $12 billion a month."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Price_of_Iraq_war...

Just think of what we could do with this CASH!

The Budget is over $3 trillion, and the war costs waht $10 billion a year or so.   Seems like thati s nothing compared with the run away IOUs that are in that Lock Box for Social Security and Medicare.

Thee is so much fat that could be taken away from the bueacracy, but no onwe has the will or the testicular fortitude to change it.

When  I retire there sill be no Social Security or Medicare.   There is no way we can keep on paying into a failing system.   W actaully tried to fix it but the Dems said no way and left it up us to fend for ourselves. Which it the way it should be anyway.   The government should not be involved with our retirement in the first place.  Almost everyone now has a 401k or IRA and if you use them you do not need to suck off the government for your retirement.

Stix....
Nice try.  Now what if we ENDED the payouts to Iraq?  Do the math
-That's way over $100Billion/Year!
So what entitlements do we need to cut?
VA spending?
Upgrades to our infrastructure?
Social Security
Medicaid/Medicare?

Get your facts straight Dave.   The Entitlements are bankrupting our country, the war is only a little blip in the overall GDP of the country.

Gosh Robyn,
What's not to insult about the republican rule of this nation over the last 8 years.  Remember, Bill Clinton had to deal with a Republican congress in 1994, so don't even try to blame Congress.  The president is supposed to lead.
If Keith has some righteous indignation, well so do I.  We are wasting lives on stupid policy in Iraq that is bankrupting this once great nation........not to mention sending our Sons&Daughters to an early grave.....FOR WHAT?

Thanks goodness someone finally noticed.  I understand that some stations are a bit biased but Oberman was WAY over the top.  He freely hurled insults constantly and tried to make them seem like facts. 

I saw what he said about the 9-11 images and then on 9-11 MSNBC showed the whole 9-11 event as it happened.  I knew that was hypocritical and was a bit surprised that no one seemed to see that. 

Robyn
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Toe - you say, "Richard, your cruel and arrogant remarks towards a fellow american (david, - an american who served in our military for both you and i)"

Well so did I honey, yet continue your attitude with me.

Richard, your cruel and arrogant remarks towards a fellow american (david, - an american who served in our military for both you and i - this attitude of yours is unacceptable.  you have a problem with a particular candidate's policy? state it and provide what you deem to be the correct route.  your insults are unbecoming and offensive to those of us who believe it our duty to speak out when a wrong needs righting.  your answer:  move to another country.  you don't really understand what america is about, do you. 
what is more absurd than someone claiming to be a "patriot" yet spends his time proving that they are not?

Richard,
Spare me your mis-placed Jar-Head Patriotism.......And i take my coffee hot&Black.....
Yes, let me reiterate.......going into Iraq piecemeal, with NO exit strategy is insane......just like Vietnam.  In 1968 we had a chance to cut our losses and withdraw, but Idiot Nixon had other ideas, that cost the American people dearly.  And for WHAT?
We will gain no more security for America, by remaining in Iraq, when Bin Laden isn't anywhere near there?    all it will do is bleed us of the precious blood of our sons&daughters, and.......oh did i mention, cost us $1OBILLION/MONTH?
What is the difference between the debacle in Iraq and the debacle of Vietnam?  -That Iraq is desert and Vietnam is jungle......WoW! You are brilliant!
So thanx for your service as a jar-head.....
Airborne All The Way!

Richard.....
Vile rants?  If, what Keith said was untrue......it would be vile.  Rants?   -No doubt, due to his righteous indignation over the war in Iraq and the sheer stupidity of our so-call leaders that have brought us this $10BILLION/month debacle(This would include the Republican nominee)

"There is a difference between healthy dissent and conducting a political war against a war while it is still in progress."

We should just shut up and let this debacle in Iraq continue?  We allowed Dick Nixon to continue his quest for "Peace with Honor" from 1969-1973...........and what did we get?   30,000 more names added to the Black Wall, and despite placing the "victory" label" on Vietnam.....it was far from that, huh?
So don't even try to question the "patriotism" of those who oppose the stupidity of this war in Iraq.

Ron Paul a conservative.  the same man who endoresed Mr Bridge To Nowhwere, Stevens.  And said to vote for someone like Cybthia McKinney.


That is funnier than anything the Obama supporters have been saying.

i have selected ron paul to be my running mate
he is the only true conservative left in the race.

How can you vote for mccain when he even admited that too cut taxes in middle of war was not responsable the iraq war has been a disaster for our economy we cant keep borrowing from china and expect the next generations of americans stuck with the tab

vote bab Barr nov 4 thank you

Can anyone a name a right down the middle unbiased news organization, website, blog etc?  It doesn't exist.  Mathews and Olberman are commentators.  They are not reporters.  The line has been so badly blurred that it's easy to think or be fooled that what the cable shows or specialty sites or bloggers are doing is "news."  As the networks get increasingly desperate, they drift left or right depending on the day.  Even Oprah and the View are in the mix.  What?  They are daytime talk shows.  They are not ruled by standards of fairness or journalism.  sure they can have McCain or Obama on or not.  Either way, you can find the hottest fashions for the fall or how to bake low fat cookies in the next segment.  Give me a break with this false outrage.  Follow the candidates wherever they appear and make your choice accordingly.  If you do that, you will see them in friendly and unfriendly places.  How do they handle themselves?  Go to other sites that don't support your predetermined ideas and hear what they are saying.  Why do you think I'm here?  It's not for journalistic standards or fairness.  I want to read your playbook.  In the end blaming the messenger is the lamest for of criticism.  I'm guilty of it too but I try to resist.  I want Fox to be Fox.  I love watching them tap dance around repubs in hot water.

Media Matters?????   I do not fear Media Matters, I just laugh at it with its total wanton bias.   If that is where you get any of your talking points from there is no hope you can actually see the truth.   Media Matters is a slime machine that has no clue on what reality is.    You jight as well jjust go to the Democrat Underground or DailyKos, they mae as much sense as Media Matters does.

Richard, there is a difference between respect for one's country -that for which we stand. and the notation of an individual who proclaims this but sets about ways to circumvent the LAW as Bush has done...as Cheney has done. 
and it's "Chris"  Matthews - if you are planning to put out opinion, at least get your facts straight.

as long as we are on the topic of Chris,  why not wander over to that website that you all fear so...media matters... and read what has been said of mr. matthews.  "tweety bird" as some call him is not a favorite of many- dates, reasons, and facts why are given there.   there is a regular feature called the chris matthews watch for he is constantly "out there" with nit wit comments.

Richard....
By definition, Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community.
Can you enumerate Mr. Olberman's false statements?

Thank god there's a person who calls a spade a spade, and a lie a lie.

Again.....it helps to listen to dissenting opinion Richard......if America were perfect, Keith Olbermann wouldn't need to point out our deficiencies as a nation, deficiencies the real piece crap has foisted on the American nation..... (you know, goes by the name George Bush Jr.)

Kevin...
anyway you slice it, it's time to wean ourselves off of this oil based economy that benefits the oil industry.....offshore oil is by definition higher priced due to the difficulty in drilling and handling it.  I'm not against tapping this resource, but as an answer to our energy needs, it won't pan out.  Perhaps we could export some of this stuff?  Might not be a bad idea to balance our trade deficit.

Whoa!  If China is buying the oil....that means LESS for American consumers and therefore the price will rise!  Oh shit!  I forgot....i'm an idiot liberal who smoked weed while skipping econ 101!


Not if there is additional oil on the market. If there is additional oil on the global market, there is potentially oil for everyone, and the price of oil will go down until price and demand meet again.


If we add 100 million barrels of oil to the marketplace, and global demand goes up 50 million barrels at current prices, then the pressure on prices is downwards. If we add 50 million barrels of oil to the marketplace, yet global demand goes up 100 million barrels, the price still goes up--just not as much as if our additional supply was not on the market.


But psychology plays a roll in the world marketplace to. When America looks serious about going after our own oil supplies and exploring alternative energies, futures markets get antsy about there being an oil "bubble" and start betting the price is going to down, not up, and this ends up influencing the actual prices of oil--even though supplies and demands don't actually change.

For someone who came to the US from Europe and thought European press was biased and one-sided, the recent developments in the presidential campaign have been absolutely astonishing. The US press has thrown away any pretense of balance and fairness. It has morphed into an almost unanimous mouthpiece for Obama while questioning every minuscule statement made by republicans.

Consider this. The press had an absolute field day with Sarah Palin's 17-year old daughter's pregnancy. Yet the same press almost completely ignored the persistent rumors about John Edwards' affair. Only the National Enquirer, which in any case is not a good standing member of the "official" press, investigated this for about a year. Yet no one bothered to check. Only when Edwards revealed the facts himself did it become clear that the democratic presidential candidate had an ongoing affair while running for president. Yet Palin's daughter got so much scrutiny you could fill an entire year's worth of newspaper clips.

Journalists and democratic lawyers are now rummaging the archives of the Wasilla town hall in the hopes of digging up dirt. Yet nobody has apparently looked into the earmark that Obama steered to his wife's employer, shortly after becoming a US senator. He got the hospital $1m, and shortly after that the hospital tripled Michelle Obama's salary, from 121k to 316k. In most other countries this would be considered illegal, but few journalist in this country seem to care.

At the same time the media is castigating Sarah Palin for mentioning that she put the Alaska governor's jet up on eBay. Ah, the outrage goes, but the jet wasn't actually *sold* on eBay. The governor had to use an airline broker to sell it. The Associated Press devoted several pieces and coverage to this "revelation" and it was picked up by mainstream media.

This pettiness is truly unbelievable. Who in the world cares whether Palin sold the jet on eBay, Amazon.com or the local swap meet? The fact is, she put it on eBay, it didn't attract enough buyers there, so they got a broker to sell it. Bottom line: the jet is gone and Alaska's tax payers are better off.

I simply cannot recall a coverage more biased against the republican ticket than what we're witnessing now. I wonder if most Americans are tuning out at this point, resigned to the fact that they will have the last word in the voting booth on November 4th.

http://www.scepticalrepublican.blogspot.com

MSNBC was smart to take them off, the sexual tension between the two during the DNC convention was too much!

http://www.dearliberals.com

Yes I am sure we will get into these jabs back and forth from time to time and nothing sholdbe taken personally.

I just hope that whoever is the next President keeps us safe,  and can keep our economy going.  Both McCainand Obama believe theirway is the best,i agree with McCain's more,does that mean that Obama's will be adisasterif heis elected, well, no.   He may bemorewilling to give up our freedomsto foreign powers and the UN,but he will do his best to keep us safe.   Will heruin the economy, no, but I think he will slow it down. But that is just me, and only time will tell.

Stix.....
" I am usually trying to be absurd for absurdity's sake as Rush Limbaugh usually does........"
-well hell, i can respect that.  I also tend towards a bit of condesention my ownself.....(as if you hadn't noticed)
Obama may not make it to the White House this time.....but in time, a change will come.  I just hope who ever takes the helm, that he, or she is more competant than Bush Jr.

I do agreee with you onsome of theshananigans that are happening in some of ou bug corporations.  When a manthat gets thebootgets a $40 million packageor large when leaving it is totally ridiculous.  too manycompanies boards arefilledwith the same people and they scratch each others backs for the best deals on salary and retirement packages the company gives them.

I still do believe that the main reasonour economy isgoing south is the high regulation and interference the government putsoin companies and corporations. But with that yes they are waytoo many abuses donebythe higher ups in those corporations and companies.

I do not think anyone is a monster.   Hell I think Obama is a nice guy andwould love to meet him.  I may not agree with him, but he is justouttrying to do waht he thinks is best for the country. I know at times. we on both sides can be crass and condenscending.  I am usually trying to be absurd for absurdity's sake as Rush Limbaugh usually does,and not everyone gets it.  And it comes out as sounding worse than what I am trying to say. I think a lot of that is the way we are anonyous online.

Stix....
something is gained when we learn about one another.  We both learn to see each other as human beings instead of some kinda monsters.  Y'know, there was a time i agreed with many of the things Ron Reagan said about making it easier for business to operate, as well as projecting an image of strength around the world.  But there comes a time when things get out of balance, just as they were in 1980.
I just wonder how much of the burden the non-investor's of our nation have to assume for the investors to be able to make a profit?

I still do not get where in the Bible it says that the governement should take my money and distribue it.  Yes we should all help our neighbors in need, but that is for the Church and your neghbors, it shouldnot be the governments job to take it and distribute the money.   

And  to take what is in the Bible and to put it into the context of our world today is scary.   The Bible is not a how to or even historical book. it shouldbe interpreted as a guide to how one should live one's life, and not be taken literally.  It is written in allegories tohow one should live one;s life.

Justice is nothing we can get in this lifetime, justice will come when we meet our maker. If anyone goes into court or callsthe police and looking for justice, they will be in foa big shock.   That is not  how the world works.  If we livedine utopian societymaybe, but we mustlook atwhatthe world is and not fantasize about a perfect world in the now. If you do, you will be bitter and have a terrible outlook on life.

At least now I know where you are coming from.   I do not agree, it is a very naive outlook on life, but I can understand it.

Sure you can make a profit.  But this nation is made up of BOTH workers and investors.........and it just seems to me that a disproportionate amount of the burden is placed upon the workers.  This was also the observation Jesus makes, particularly in Matthew's Gospel.  What i am stressing is that as Americans, ALL of us have to share the burden of making this country great.  American workers are the world's most productive, yet we carry most of the burden.  Many seem to forget this fact.
Please, be profitable, but have some concern for those less fortunate.
So what is so asanine about justice?

What is this supposed to mean, "There are those that work, and those that profit from that work".  So I am not supposed to make a profit. Well, golly jeez, maybe I should just move to Cuba or North Korea so I can live that great Christian life.  I can not make a profit if I am Christian???  That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard if that is what you mean by this asanine comment.

And also where in the Bible does it say that it is the government's job to do all these wonderful Social projects. I though it was the common man that is supposed to helpe his neighbor.  If the government takes away from the common man, neighbor do not have enough money to do this and the government is a huge bureacracy that wastes more than it does to help anyone.

There are those that work, and those that profit from that work

Ok, so how does that equate into the economy of Galilee to the economy of today?????

I havea history degree and my focus was on Latin American History, but that in no waymeans I can in any way equate or compare and constrat the Empire if Moctozuma to that of the US today.   There is no way to equate them or contrast them as good or bad.

Stix.....The history of early Christianity has been a passion of mine since catechism class some 40 yrs ago.  If you read a book that Jesus loved to quote, Issiah......you'd understand God's concern for the oppressed and scorn for those in power that perpetrate injustice.

My Lord, equating our economy with that of the economyoGalilee during the time of Jesus.   Have you ever taken a history class.

Yet clearly, by his own words Jesus supported revolution of the poor against the interests that controlled the economy of Galilee.....I understand that much Stix.  I put this overlooked verse here, because it is what made me think as I read the bible.  I'd never heard this one before and I guess The "spirit" moved me.
If Jesus knew anything, he knew about injustice toward the poor.  And the contrast is clear.....and apt in today's world.

You really do not unsderstand Christians or Conservatives?

Jesus would not support either candidate. It is a totally different time and  to compare and contrast now to the time of Jesus is ridiculous. He would not have a clue about what Democracy or the kind of government we have now (A Democratic Republic) because there was no such thing back then.

Hey Christian conservatives!
"Dont't get the idea that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace,
but a sword!" -Matthew 10:34Wonder what ol JC meant by this one?  I kinda doubt Jesus would support McCain/Palin in this election......

Whether you realize it or not, "Dan", for a very long time politicians have prayed for people to remain ignorant.  Republicans specifically have made it their bread and butter to gather in those who find it bothersome to think for themselves.  
Grab a soap box, stand in the middle of Hamlet, USA,  wave the flag,  play some John Phillip Souza on the loud speakers and tell the folks all about how God blesses America and anyone who says otherwise is a communist.  Tell the folks that evil NON-CHRISTIANS  have infiltrated not just Hollywood, they have infiltrated our media, our schools, our libraries, and our neighborhoods.
They tell the folks that they should be insulted because they cling to the only constant in their lives- their God and their guns.  Sprinkle a bible verse or two then talk about how God made the United States and presides over us.  Remind them that America-haters are the enemy and they are coming after you.  Tell the folks how liberals and communists dress, eat, and brainwash us real Americans.  Remind the folks that you are a patriot and that your father defeated Hitler. Show pictures of your children with their dog and of your wife at home in the kitchen with her freshly baked apple pie.  Tell them you understand because you are one of them.  Quote another bible verse and show the decadence of a gay pride parade.  Shake your head and agree that those people are are out to get your children.  A super enlarge Norman Rockwell painting is displayed on the screen while you mention the prayer that will be given by their local religious representative before the free bar-b-que he will sponsor that evening.  Salute the flag as a film of the twin trade towers fall to the ground.  Fear, tears, and anger is reflected as the murmurs in the crowd grow. 
As your staff passes out free little flags you raise your arms and shout:
"My fellow Americans, thank you all for coming!  Thank you all for your patriotism!  Thank you for standing up against the liberal's Godless creed that wants to take over your family!  God bless us! God bless America!"

From FM6-22  "An Army leader is anyone who by virtue of assumed role or assigned responsibility inspires and influences people to accomplish organizational goals.........(they) motivate people.....to pursue actions, focus thinking, and shape decisions for the greater good of the organization."
"Loyality, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Courage"
are the 7 traits of a leader as spelled out in FM 6-22.
It seems to me that Obama lives up to this criteria, but I can't say the same for McCain, or Palin, who each use their positions for petty reasons and for personal profit.
No, this did not come from the "MSM" but from my own observations as a leader from the values I learned as an NCO in the US Army.

And yes I knowthat Obama did not work for ACORN, but he worked very closely along with other "community organizers" that are being charged with Fraud and Abuse.

Have you seen up close what these Community  Organizers do?????

Come down to Eas St.Louis, St. Louis, Kansas City, South Side of Chicago and any other big city run by the Unions and Political Machine.

And the funniest thig isyou on the LEft all talk about voter fraud from the rght,  that just makes me laugh.   My grandma's neighbor got thrown in jail for voting in 6 different precincts, we have City Hall in East St Louis that had a prostitution ring run outof it,until they tried to kill a witness.
This is just in St Clair County, the Mini-me of Chicago Machine Politics.

Look who Obama has got working for him, he has more lobbyists working for him than McCain.

Leadership
Are you talking about his failed attempt to take over the Chicago area schools thru the Annenberg Project, where he wasted $160 million. That is not leadership, that is incompetance.

Man you need to get out and stop reading wht the MSM is telling you.

So lemme get this straight.....
Only people who have had "experience" in government are fit to govern?
Even though the government they were "experienced" in is a failure?  Sounds like a bad feedback loop, doesn't it?  Obama may be "just" a community organizer, but he has shown a degree of thoughtful insight, and LEADERSHIP.

Managers are people who do things right, while leaders are people who do the right thing. - Warren Bennis, Ph.D. On Becoming a Leader
WE  need a leader, not an old man with lots of Lobbyist friends.

Here is a little article about what a community organizer.  I know it is Michelle Malkin so you will just toss it to the side, but everything about ACORN and their surrogates is true.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/...

I'l lput it this way   Have you seen the movie Gangs of New York.  Well, the community organizers are the ones that get the people to vote early and vote often.  it is not as violent as it is in the movie, but it is still pretty much the same thing.

Hey you can believe in anything you want. 

Did you see their voter registration drives or the fraud and abuse that has been well documented all over the country while in Chicago or were you just oblivious to what was going on.   Have you seen the thugs that are hired by these community organizations to bully people that want to peacefully get signatures for petitions.   Or have you seen the places where people have been registered to vote, mostly empty lots or graveyards.  Or 30 to 40 people in a single family home.
I have and it is a political machine that is the driver of these organizations.

have you seen them giving oney to people that vote, or alcohol to vote.  I have.  Community organizers are the lower rung on the olitical machine in Chicago, especially if you are not origanally from Chicago.  it is a way to prove yopu are part of the team.

I lived in Chicago. I know exactly how it works. 

"the flowery post you put makes them look like Robin Hood."
Stix, I just put the facts.  You seem to think a community organizer is something of a terrorist network.  Now you know the truth- and no, not Robin Hood- he stole nothing- he gave people their dignity and their lives back- and helped get them trained for other lines of work in their community. 
The former Mayor of New York mocks this.
Palin poo-poos it- like it was nothing.
It has been part of her "assigned" campaign speak.

Is this the same ACORN that is getting charged with election fraud all over the country.  They are all part of a political machine in each of the big cities.  Yes they might sound like they are actually part of the community, but that is just a front for political activities. 

They are here in St. Louis also and have get out the votes and voter registration drives that have been so fraudulent.  I Kansas City many were arrested because of voter fraud.   I New Mexico they had felons going after people doing petition drives.  The unions give them money to keep people in line in unions.


Oh but the flowery post you put makes them look like Robin Hood.

Man, you do not know how Chicago Politics or any big city works do you.   Remember when JFK won the election.  It was community organizers that had fraudulent voters registered along with the mob to get JFK elected.  Without Chicago adn Dallas mob and unions workers getting out the vote with the dead, dogs and mutiple voting, JFK would have lost.

Every city has thier own little twist to what a community organizer is.  Some actually do help people, but during elction time it is time to pay the party machine with votes.

forgot the link ^ http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-04-community_N.htm

Community organizing is not solely the domain of progressive politics, as dozens of fundamentalist organizations are in operation, such as the Christian Coalition.
Obama moved to Chicago after college and did church-based organizing to help people who lost their jobs when steel mills closed.
Jerry Kellman is the man who hired Obama as an organizer for the Developing Communities Project in 1985 at a salary of $10,000 a year. Obama's job: find out what people needed, be it job training programs, asbestos removal or potholes filled, and help them work together to get action from their elected officials.
Community service groups reacted strongly.  Maude Hurd, president of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), said her group helps people learn leadership skills so they can work for better schools, wages and treatment from financial institutions. She said the "condescending attacks" were disappointing. A coalition of faith-based groups said political leaders should be thanking community organizers, not insulting them.
Republican John McCain's campaign made a terrible strategic mistake, says David Beckwith, executive director of the Needmor Fund, which funds community organizing across the country, and a board member of the Neighborhood Funders Group. He said the speeches made fun of "the people who are organized, not just the people who are doing the organizing. These are people who are deeply engaged in public life, and there are millions of them."
Palin's ignorance of what a "community organizer" does, and Guiliani mocked and milked the mockery endlessly during his address to the clueless people in funny hats, they actually gave assistance to the Obama campaign who not only pointed out the cruelty shown by the GOP- they actually raised millions of dollars practically overnight as a direct result of the GOP's clueless attacks.

The  tell me exactly what is a community organizer.   I really want to know Obama doesn't even know.  There is no one community organizer that is like the next one;   it is whatever the political machine in that town wants them to be.

You have failed the test, "Stix".  Go sit in the corner.  You have once again shown the world of your limited knowledge.

Afghan.....i constantly mourn for this failed nation.  I'm used to seeing republicans ripping off the people by using hate and fear as a motivating factor.  But our time will come one day, and you'll have a new day too!

They are found in big cities where Democrats run the city.   They are basically political agitators.  You do not find them in places where unemployment is low.  Like rural America and suburbs where people actually take care of themselves.

A community organizer is a person that goes to companies and government to gin up money for people out of work.  They also get the community all riled up to got to local government for grievances.  it is one of Alinski's tenants,  to rile p the people to take over govenment, they just need a leader.

Afghan,  please inform us what a community organizer is.
In fact, any of you conservatives - feel free to explain what this activity is.

Hey Walters


Arent you supposed to be mourning right now?  Your failed community organizer has already lost the election!

So many Americans are so isolated, and they want to believe a Fairy Tale like the Palin Tale.....afraid to open their eyes to the truth.  Keep on living in your dream land Stix!

Who are you going to believe, "Stix"-  the direct  quote by the individual both on film and in the press...or some conservative blogger 's email out for their breakfast of slime in rubbish?  

Palin...Reformer?  Maverick?  Paleeeeeeeeze.  
Shark? yup.
Opportunist? yup 
Liar?  Absolutely.

Maybe the Democrats havegot it wrong in Alaska also

http://www.retireted.com/category/real-estate/gravina-bridge/

From another comment thread


"First of all, it’s downright frustrating to do the research on the Gravina Island Bridge, post all that dang research, and still find there are those here who don’t bother to read and parrot the same BS.
First of all the Congressional funds were controversial, and the funds removed as the bridge earmarks BEFORE Palin took office Dec 24, 2006.
From a WaPo article Nov 17, 2005… over a year before Palin took office, and almost a year before she started campaigning:

The $223 million span linking the small town of Ketchikan to sparsely populated Gravina Island and a second Alaskan bridge project have been stripped of their funding by congressional negotiators as they race to wrap up legislative business.
That decision reflects a growing unease among Republicans of criticism of runaway government spending in a transportation bill that includes 6,000-plus special projects for House members’ districts. But the maneuver is largely cosmetic and may only slow the bridge projects. As part of the deal, Alaska will get to keep the $454 million that Congress set aside for the two bridges, and technically the state can use the transportation funds for any project it chooses — including the bridges.

Point being, the money was stripped of mandates to use towards the Gravina bridge. However Congress did not redirect the cash, and instead directed it to Alaska to USE AS TRANSPORTATION FUNDS FOR ANY PROJECT IT CHOOSES…. including the bridges.
1: Palin’s campaign expressed doubt and skepticism before the election.
2: She did not set aside state funds to cover funding shortage… ie not planning on the bridge
3: Her transition team said bad juju budget decision
4: Palin killed the bridge idea, and they are working on other alternatives, at the state’s expense.
You cannot flip flop when you are not fully on board. She could not refuse funds that were passed to Alaska when Murkowski was Governor.
The “bridge to nowhere” is the “scandal to nowhere”. Period. Anyone who can’t get from A to B in thought patterns and timelines is just plain grasping at straws to misinform the electorate for political gain. Period.’
~~~
As far as “travel’gate”… did you naysayers even open the WaPo article linked in this post? Allow me to reiterate INRE what Palin was legal allowed for her travel expenses, and what she chose NOT to charge…. meaning, she actually claimed less expenses that what she was entitled to.

Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official “duty station” is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.
The governor’s daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.
Gubernatorial spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said Monday that Palin’s expenses are not unusual and that, under state policy, the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so
~~~
Speaking from Palin’s Anchorage office, Leighow said Palin dealt with the plane and also trimmed other expenses, including forgoing a chef in the governor’s mansion because she preferred to cook for her family. The first family’s travel is an expected part of the job, she said.
“As a matter of protocol, the governor and the first family are expected to attend community events across the state,” she said. “It’s absolutely reasonable that the first family participates in community events.”
The state finance director, Kim Garnero, said Alaska law exempts the governor’s office from elaborate travel regulations. Said Leighow: “The governor is entitled to a per diem, and she claims it.”
The popular governor collected the per diem allowance from April 22, four days after the birth of her fifth child, until June 3, when she flew to Juneau for two days. Palin moved her family to the capital during the legislative session last year, but prefers to stay in Wasilla and drive 45 miles to Anchorage to a state office building where she conducts most of her business, aides have said.
Palin rarely sought reimbursement for meals while staying in Anchorage or Wasilla, the reports show.
~~~
Leighow noted that under state policy, all of the governor’s children are entitled to per diem expenses, even her infant son. “The first family declined the per diem [for] the children,” Leighow said. “The amount that they had declined was $4,461, as of August 5.”
~~~
Gov. Palin has spent far less on her personal travel than her predecessor: $93,000 on airfare in 2007, compared with $463,000 spent the year before by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski. He traveled often in an executive jet that Palin called an extravagance during her campaign. She sold it after she was sworn into office.
Leighow said that the governor’s staff has tallied the travel expenses charged by Murkowski’s wife: $35,675 in 2006, $43,659 in 2005, $13,607 in 2004 and $29,608 in 2003. Associates of Murkowski said the former governor was moose hunting and could not be reached to comment.

I’m sorry, but the woman claims less than the predecessor, and also doesn’t claim expenses she is entitled to. Another “scandal to nowhere”.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:42 pm"

Maybe you should do some research and not take biased news accounts as truth.

An email from somone with a grudge against Palin does not equal truth.

"What  lies are you talking about?"  Uh, the ones about her twisting the truth about the bridge to nowhere in particular.  This is taken from just one...
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archiv...

Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
"Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
She's a LIAR!

-So does she burn, or is she absolved if she says a prayer in the name of JC?
 
 

And I am still waiting for any kind of evidence of inpeachable offenses by Bush's administration.

Whatlies areyou talking about.  She hasnotlied aboutanything to my knowledge, unless you believe what Olbie and Tweetie say.

Stix......since you are the Pope,
what of these bald face lies Sarah Palin has repeatedly uttered....I mean, she's supposed to be a christian, and telling these whoppers!  Will she burn in hell?  Or does all she need to do is pray for forgiveness, and continue the lies?  How does thay work?

The two individuals that you mention from MSNBC will not be absent from election eve results as you seem to imply - both will be doing commentary that night- on MSNBC.
Olbermann's rise in popularity as a voice for the liberal viewpoint has been well documented. He does not present his show as "clear and balanced" ...unlike another individual who is anything but this.
The problem with MSNBC's coverage of the Democratic convention specifically was not the commentary , or what some have called "infighting" - it was the fact that they provided this INSTEAD of allowing viewers the opportunity to hear ALL of the speakers.  This is why I watched the conventions on CSPAN. When I want to know exactly what was said,  I want to hear from the source- not someone's version of what they thought they heard.  When I want to hear or read an editorial, I can read the editorial page in the newspaper, or listen to Olbermann's show, or O'Reilly,  or Hannity, or even Rush.  These are opinion places.  They are not "news sources".

Yes there are honest and I am the Pope

http://www.socialworkblog.org/pressroom/index.php/2008/09/04/social-workers-respond-to-gov-palin-on-community-organizers/


Keith and Chris are honest compared to the anchors on FOX!

"Keith keeps it based on fact,"

C'mon Walters. Do you really believe that? Toe has brainwashed you buddy. 

Semper Fi, Do or Die, Liberals Lie.  :)

Keith keeps it based on fact, and he is to the point, from last night's show:
"  I mean, it sounds a little like "Remington Steele," but I'm confused otherwise. As late as October of 2006, Mrs. Palin insisted to voters in Alaska that not only would she defend that infamous bridge, but she also said - and here's the quote - "She would not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative." What are Senator McCain and Governor Palin doing in this new commercial, do you think?"

He is good at smoking out the REAL liars!

As I havesaid before i could care less about BillO'Reilly.  I do not get myviewsfrom anybodybut myself,unlike the left that get theirs from the MSM, DailyKos, DU, and other talking points sites.  I do not have to do that, I have a mind of my own and I use it.

If he sexually harrassed someone , then lethim deal with it, why ask me about it.  He is a blowhard that is in love with himself, like every other pundit.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mac...
and we''l never know the whole truth about this one.....but it seems to me:
if BillO had the truth on his side, why did he settle for a $12 million settlement?  Maybe 'cause he's a patient liar?

sorryfor all the typos, but I am at work and typing on a unfamiliar keyboard.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mac...
and we''l never know the whole truth about this one.....but it seems to me:
if BillO had the truth on his side, why did he settle for a $12 million settlement?  Maybe 'cause he's a liar?

Icould care less what Bil O'reilly says,he is a blowhard as much as Biden and Obama, and he does not speak for all conservatives.

I could careless abhout Britney's little sister, she has no relevance on anythingfor me.  Who cares if she is pregnant, at least she is going to keep the child like Bristol though, but other than that who cares.

I was thinking of the pinhead designation BillO gave to the parents of JL Spears
-In a recent column, Tucker noted that Bill O’Reilly had skewered the parents of 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears after she became pregnant. “The blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her,” O’Reilly said. Yet as Tucker noted in her column, O’Reilly seemed to have a different set of standards for the parents of Bristol Palin.  But Bill's own definition, Sarah Palin is a pinhead!

You may not like Olberman, and yes is is unabashedly liberal, but unlike the frauds at Fox News he keeps his content factual.

Its nice to know that someone at NBC can be embarrassed.  It has been 30years since I saw a news story that wasn't an opinion piece in disguise (adjectives always telling you what you should think about the subject), and the same is true of broadcast "journalism" for the most part.  But these guys were embarrassing, even to me.  Normally, anytime a liberal makes him or herself look foolish, I "get a thrill going down my leg", but this was just so out of line that I got no enjoyment of their non-journalism.

The problem is that none of this coverage is journalism.  Journalism does not receive ratings against shouting matches.  Journalism can't compete with provocative and belligerent "talking points"  It's all been thrown into on big pot.  People get their "news" from Drudge.  If you're not savvy, you can easily be fooled.  Heck, even UC thinks Oprah is a journalist.  Opinion has replaced journalism.  Fox led the way but sadly the rest of mainstream media has followed.  I watched both conventions on C-Span.  They are about as fair and balanced as it gets.  Speaking of fair and balanced, neither is a pillar of traditional journalism.  Objectivity and neutrality are.  In other words, lay it all out there and let people decide for themselves.  Advocacy journalism rules the day today.  Any and every camp has an advocate.  There is a link or website or publication or broadcast to support all of our opinions and points of views no matter what it is.  It used to be a big thing to get your name in the paper or even better, your picture.  Now I can post some ridiculous blog or upload some absurd video and I'm on the world stage instantly.  No work or research or credibility required.  I liked MSNBC as a counter balance to FOX.  The more extreme FOX was, the more extreme MSNBC became.  The copy cat is never as good as the original.  I love FOX when some republican is going up in flames.  Did you see how they tried to make Mark Foley a democrat?  Now that's today's journalism!

Mindloss.....oops, i mean Mindtoss,
i suppose you'd rather watch some "fair&balanced" persons such as Hannity and O'Reilly?

Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews cannot get enough of themselves. They really think they bring something to the table that people would actually be willing to tune in and watch. Too bad only a very small percentage actually tune in to the Obama campaigners. Ratings are crashing and they still don't get what the problem is. Here's a clue. YOU'RE NO LONGER GOING TO ANCHOR LIVE POLITICAL EVENTS. GET IT!! You were removed. Any questions?

Cara,
I guess they aren't as "fair & balanced" as say Bill O'Reilly who slams The parents of the unwed Spears daughter as pinheads, yet slams the press for bringing up Palin's family problems.....yeah, right, no spin zone.

WOW!!!  There may yet be a grain of ethics remaining in journalism if it is truly going to happen that those two jokers, Olberman and Mathews, will not be delivering election results anymore.  I often found myself watching in disbelief (and disgust) as Olberman and Mathews would gush their liberal spin under the guise of journalism.  What a truly happy day it is!!  Honestly, what took so long???  Grown men giddily describing the thrills running up their legs as BO spouted off his nonsensical rhetoric.  It made me feel sicker than a three day old taco.

"I do know what I am talking about.   Oil is sold globally, we do not have enough refineries right now to process the oil we got now....."

Sounds like it!  But if we DIDN'T refine oil for every Tom, Dick, and Harry, we'd have enough for America, huh?  Blame it on liberals, and environmentalists.  Not the ones under who's watch this fiasco occurred under.....Bush and McCain.  If McCain is so insightful, it seems like his 26 yrs. of experience would have warned him of this problem.  Makes me wonder if he does indeed have the judgment necessary to lead our nation out of the mess Bush has created.

No I never smoked weed, i did for awhile and am alergic to it.  I have a borther that is a economist and a friend that is in the oil industry in the futures market.   I do know what I am talking about.   Oil is sold globally, we do not have enough refineries right now to process the oil we got now.  we need more refineries, but the Environmentalists have put a stop to any of that.

Stix......that's insane.  If China bids UP the price on the world market, then there is less oil and the American suppliers will be forced to UPtheir price that they bid on what oil remains on the market (logic would dictate)....but like I said, i skipped econ 101 to burn some good weed, and you should have too I can tell!

you really do not know how the oil market runs.   oil is sold globally and if ther s more oil globally anywhere it will lower prices.  And if China buys it, then American oil companies get money that goes to you and me in our pension, retirement plans.   We are never going to entirely off of foreign oil.  It is impossible, but if we drill here we can save the money instead of buying it from other countries.

Any oil will lower the price at the pump, and we have more oil than all the Middle East in the Continental US, and we let it sit there.  And we have foreign countries drilling 90 miles offshore taking oil from where the US could actually environmentally drill the oil safer than the foreign countries can.

-Doesn't matter if Chinese are capitalist or not.......if the buy MY oil, then there is less for me and the price will rise.  Republican logic is an oxymoron.

Whoa!  If China is buying the oil....that means LESS for American consumers and therefore the price will rise!  Oh shit!  I forgot....i'm an idiot liberal who smoked weed while skipping econ 101!

Not all corporations are capitalists. Just look at corporations that are from China, are they capitalists???  Corporations are out for the bottom line and to get money for their share holders.

They are many cororations and companies that are not capitalist.

It will lower the demand for oil world wide and oil prices would drop.  economics 101  It is not that hard to understand.  If you have more of something it will be sold at a lower price.

Stix, hopefully, with your depth of knowledge of "how corporations run"......How much of the North Slope Oil from Alaska ended up in Japan or other foreign nations.  Drill here, drill now!  And what if China outbids American suppliers for that oil?  How is that going to help the US consumer?  Being an idiot liberal, i need some help here.

You really do not know how corporations run.  And not all corporations are conservative or even capitalist.  They are out for money and power and it does not matter how they get it.

many get money from organizations such as the Heinz Foundation that are run by John Kerry's wife or other leftists organizations.

It is not GE it is the people that run the news rooms and the reporters themselves.  Just look at what they teach in Hournalism schools, has nothing to do with Journalsim, or even go to a History class, it is all indoctrination of Socialism

Woo Hoo, everyone was watching C-span
It is much better to watch the Convention and did not have all the bloviating fools talking about what we are supposed to think
Or they were watching ustream.com/rnc

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/10/countd...
-- MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" beat Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" in the key Adults 25-54 demographic for the first time ever last week.

"Countdown" averaged 477,000 viewers (A25-54) vs. O'Reilly's 472,000 (excluding Tuesday's primary coverage). This marks the first time that MSNBC has beaten Fox News in O'Reilly's 8pm time slot since June 2001.

What a sad day in broadcast history.  Tweety and the Olbie were taking off the scene.   I am so saddened.   I am just never going to watch PMSNBC ever again.

oh stop, stop [sniff, sniff]
poor keith, with his brain injury and all...
and chrissy with that, um, nervous leg thing...
i'm getting all misty.

[hilarious laughter]