What a sad day in broadcast history.  Tweety and the Olbie were taking off the scene.   I am so saddened.   I am just never going to watch PMSNBC ever again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/10/countdown-beats-oreilly-f_n_106298.html
-- MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" beat Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" in the key Adults 25-54 demographic for the first time ever last week.

"Countdown" averaged 477,000 viewers (A25-54) vs. O'Reilly's 472,000 (excluding Tuesday's primary coverage). This marks the first time that MSNBC has beaten Fox News in O'Reilly's 8pm time slot since June 2001.
 

Woo Hoo, everyone was watching C-span
It is much better to watch the Convention and did not have all the bloviating fools talking about what we are supposed to think
Or they were watching ustream.com/rnc

It is not GE it is the people that run the news rooms and the reporters themselves.  Just look at what they teach in Hournalism schools, has nothing to do with Journalsim, or even go to a History class, it is all indoctrination of Socialism

You really do not know how corporations run.  And not all corporations are conservative or even capitalist.  They are out for money and power and it does not matter how they get it.

many get money from organizations such as the Heinz Foundation that are run by John Kerry's wife or other leftists organizations.

Stix, hopefully, with your depth of knowledge of "how corporations run"......How much of the North Slope Oil from Alaska ended up in Japan or other foreign nations.  Drill here, drill now!  And what if China outbids American suppliers for that oil?  How is that going to help the US consumer?  Being an idiot liberal, i need some help here.

It will lower the demand for oil world wide and oil prices would drop.  economics 101  It is not that hard to understand.  If you have more of something it will be sold at a lower price.

Not all corporations are capitalists. Just look at corporations that are from China, are they capitalists???  Corporations are out for the bottom line and to get money for their share holders.

They are many cororations and companies that are not capitalist.

Whoa!  If China is buying the oil....that means LESS for American consumers and therefore the price will rise!  Oh shit!  I forgot....i'm an idiot liberal who smoked weed while skipping econ 101!

-Doesn't matter if Chinese are capitalist or not.......if the buy MY oil, then there is less for me and the price will rise.  Republican logic is an oxymoron.

you really do not know how the oil market runs.   oil is sold globally and if ther s more oil globally anywhere it will lower prices.  And if China buys it, then American oil companies get money that goes to you and me in our pension, retirement plans.   We are never going to entirely off of foreign oil.  It is impossible, but if we drill here we can save the money instead of buying it from other countries.

Any oil will lower the price at the pump, and we have more oil than all the Middle East in the Continental US, and we let it sit there.  And we have foreign countries drilling 90 miles offshore taking oil from where the US could actually environmentally drill the oil safer than the foreign countries can.

Stix......that's insane.  If China bids UP the price on the world market, then there is less oil and the American suppliers will be forced to UPtheir price that they bid on what oil remains on the market (logic would dictate)....but like I said, i skipped econ 101 to burn some good weed, and you should have too I can tell!

No I never smoked weed, i did for awhile and am alergic to it.  I have a borther that is a economist and a friend that is in the oil industry in the futures market.   I do know what I am talking about.   Oil is sold globally, we do not have enough refineries right now to process the oil we got now.  we need more refineries, but the Environmentalists have put a stop to any of that.

"I do know what I am talking about.   Oil is sold globally, we do not have enough refineries right now to process the oil we got now....."

Sounds like it!  But if we DIDN'T refine oil for every Tom, Dick, and Harry, we'd have enough for America, huh?  Blame it on liberals, and environmentalists.  Not the ones under who's watch this fiasco occurred under.....Bush and McCain.  If McCain is so insightful, it seems like his 26 yrs. of experience would have warned him of this problem.  Makes me wonder if he does indeed have the judgment necessary to lead our nation out of the mess Bush has created.

WOW!!!  There may yet be a grain of ethics remaining in journalism if it is truly going to happen that those two jokers, Olberman and Mathews, will not be delivering election results anymore.  I often found myself watching in disbelief (and disgust) as Olberman and Mathews would gush their liberal spin under the guise of journalism.  What a truly happy day it is!!  Honestly, what took so long???  Grown men giddily describing the thrills running up their legs as BO spouted off his nonsensical rhetoric.  It made me feel sicker than a three day old taco. 

Cara,
I guess they aren't as "fair & balanced" as say Bill O'Reilly who slams The parents of the unwed Spears daughter as pinheads, yet slams the press for bringing up Palin's family problems.....yeah, right, no spin zone.

Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews cannot get enough of themselves. They really think they bring something to the table that people would actually be willing to tune in and watch. Too bad only a very small percentage actually tune in to the Obama campaigners. Ratings are crashing and they still don't get what the problem is. Here's a clue. YOU'RE NO LONGER GOING TO ANCHOR LIVE POLITICAL EVENTS. GET IT!! You were removed. Any questions?

Mindloss.....oops, i mean Mindtoss,
i suppose you'd rather watch some "fair&balanced" persons such as Hannity and O'Reilly?

The problem is that none of this coverage is journalism.  Journalism does not receive ratings against shouting matches.  Journalism can't compete with provocative and belligerent "talking points"  It's all been thrown into on big pot.  People get their "news" from Drudge.  If you're not savvy, you can easily be fooled.  Heck, even UC thinks Oprah is a journalist.  Opinion has replaced journalism.  Fox led the way but sadly the rest of mainstream media has followed.  I watched both conventions on C-Span.  They are about as fair and balanced as it gets.  Speaking of fair and balanced, neither is a pillar of traditional journalism.  Objectivity and neutrality are.  In other words, lay it all out there and let people decide for themselves.  Advocacy journalism rules the day today.  Any and every camp has an advocate.  There is a link or website or publication or broadcast to support all of our opinions and points of views no matter what it is.  It used to be a big thing to get your name in the paper or even better, your picture.  Now I can post some ridiculous blog or upload some absurd video and I'm on the world stage instantly.  No work or research or credibility required.  I liked MSNBC as a counter balance to FOX.  The more extreme FOX was, the more extreme MSNBC became.  The copy cat is never as good as the original.  I love FOX when some republican is going up in flames.  Did you see how they tried to make Mark Foley a democrat?  Now that's today's journalism! 

Its nice to know that someone at NBC can be embarrassed.  It has been 30years since I saw a news story that wasn't an opinion piece in disguise (adjectives always telling you what you should think about the subject), and the same is true of broadcast "journalism" for the most part.  But these guys were embarrassing, even to me.  Normally, anytime a liberal makes him or herself look foolish, I "get a thrill going down my leg", but this was just so out of line that I got no enjoyment of their non-journalism.

You may not like Olberman, and yes is is unabashedly liberal, but unlike the frauds at Fox News he keeps his content factual.

"You may not like Olberman, and yes is is unabashedly liberal, but unlike the frauds at Fox News he keeps his content factual."

ROTFL  that is a good one.  Keepthem coming.   You aregreat as a comedian

I was thinking of the pinhead designation BillO gave to the parents of JL Spears
-In a recent column, Tucker noted that Bill O’Reilly had skewered the parents of 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears after she became pregnant. “The blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her,” O’Reilly said. Yet as Tucker noted in her column, O’Reilly seemed to have a different set of standards for the parents of Bristol Palin.  But Bill's own definition, Sarah Palin is a pinhead!

Icould care less what Bil O'reilly says,he is a blowhard as much as Biden and Obama, and he does not speak for all conservatives.

I could careless abhout Britney's little sister, she has no relevance on anythingfor me.  Who cares if she is pregnant, at least she is going to keep the child like Bristol though, but other than that who cares.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html
and we''l never know the whole truth about this one.....but it seems to me:
if BillO had the truth on his side, why did he settle for a $12 million settlement?  Maybe 'cause he's a liar?

sorryfor all the typos, but I am at work and typing on a unfamiliar keyboard.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html
and we''l never know the whole truth about this one.....but it seems to me:
if BillO had the truth on his side, why did he settle for a $12 million settlement?  Maybe 'cause he's a patient liar?

As I havesaid before i could care less about BillO'Reilly.  I do not get myviewsfrom anybodybut myself,unlike the left that get theirs from the MSM, DailyKos, DU, and other talking points sites.  I do not have to do that, I have a mind of my own and I use it.

If he sexually harrassed someone , then lethim deal with it, why ask me about it.  He is a blowhard that is in love with himself, like every other pundit.

Keith keeps it based on fact, and he is to the point, from last night's show:
"  I mean, it sounds a little like "Remington Steele," but I'm confused otherwise. As late as October of 2006, Mrs. Palin insisted to voters in Alaska that not only would she defend that infamous bridge, but she also said - and here's the quote - "She would not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative." What are Senator McCain and Governor Palin doing in this new commercial, do you think?"

He is good at smoking out the REAL liars!

"Keith keeps it based on fact,"

C'mon Walters. Do you really believe that? Toe has brainwashed you buddy. 

Semper Fi, Do or Die, Liberals Lie. 

http://www.socialworkblog.org/pressroom/index.php/2008/09/04/social-workers-respond-to-gov-palin-on-community-organizers/

Keith and Chris are honest compared to the anchors on FOX!

Yes there are honest and I am the Pope

The two individuals that you mention from MSNBC will not be absent from election eve results as you seem to imply - both will be doing commentary that night- on MSNBC.
Olbermann's rise in popularity as a voice for the liberal viewpoint has been well documented. He does not present his show as "clear and balanced" ...unlike another individual who is anything but this.
The problem with MSNBC's coverage of the Democratic convention specifically was not the commentary , or what some have called "infighting" - it was the fact that they provided this INSTEAD of allowing viewers the opportunity to hear ALL of the speakers.  This is why I watched the conventions on CSPAN. When I want to know exactly what was said,  I want to hear from the source- not someone's version of what they thought they heard.  When I want to hear or read an editorial, I can read the editorial page in the newspaper, or listen to Olbermann's show, or O'Reilly,  or Hannity, or even Rush.  These are opinion places.  They are not "news sources".
 

Stix......since you are the Pope,
what of these bald face lies Sarah Palin has repeatedly uttered....I mean, she's supposed to be a christian, and telling these whoppers!  Will she burn in hell?  Or does all she need to do is pray for forgiveness, and continue the lies?  How does thay work?

Whatlies areyou talking about.  She hasnotlied aboutanything to my knowledge, unless you believe what Olbie and Tweetie say.  

And I am still waiting for any kind of evidence of inpeachable offenses by Bush's administration.

"What  lies are you talking about?"  Uh, the ones about her twisting the truth about the bridge to nowhere in particular.  This is taken from just one...
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx

Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
"Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
She's a LIAR!

-So does she burn, or is she absolved if she says a prayer in the name of JC?
 
 

Maybe you should do some research and not take biased news accounts as truth.

An email from somone with a grudge against Palin does not equal truth.

From another comment thread

"First of all, it’s downright frustrating to do the research on the Gravina Island Bridge, post all that dang research, and still find there are those here who don’t bother to read and parrot the same BS.
First of all the Congressional funds were controversial, and the funds removed as the bridge earmarks BEFORE Palin took office Dec 24, 2006.
From a WaPo article Nov 17, 2005… over a year before Palin took office, and almost a year before she started campaigning:

The $223 million span linking the small town of Ketchikan to sparsely populated Gravina Island and a second Alaskan bridge project have been stripped of their funding by congressional negotiators as they race to wrap up legislative business.
That decision reflects a growing unease among Republicans of criticism of runaway government spending in a transportation bill that includes 6,000-plus special projects for House members’ districts. But the maneuver is largely cosmetic and may only slow the bridge projects. As part of the deal, Alaska will get to keep the $454 million that Congress set aside for the two bridges, and technically the state can use the transportation funds for any project it chooses — including the bridges.

Point being, the money was stripped of mandates to use towards the Gravina bridge. However Congress did not redirect the cash, and instead directed it to Alaska to USE AS TRANSPORTATION FUNDS FOR ANY PROJECT IT CHOOSES…. including the bridges.
1: Palin’s campaign expressed doubt and skepticism before the election.
2: She did not set aside state funds to cover funding shortage… ie not planning on the bridge
3: Her transition team said bad juju budget decision
4: Palin killed the bridge idea, and they are working on other alternatives, at the state’s expense.
You cannot flip flop when you are not fully on board. She could not refuse funds that were passed to Alaska when Murkowski was Governor.
The “bridge to nowhere” is the “scandal to nowhere”. Period. Anyone who can’t get from A to B in thought patterns and timelines is just plain grasping at straws to misinform the electorate for political gain. Period.’
~~~
As far as “travel’gate”… did you naysayers even open the WaPo article linked in this post? Allow me to reiterate INRE what Palin was legal allowed for her travel expenses, and what she chose NOT to charge…. meaning, she actually claimed less expenses that what she was entitled to.

Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official “duty station” is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.
The governor’s daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.
Gubernatorial spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said Monday that Palin’s expenses are not unusual and that, under state policy, the first family could have claimed per diem expenses for each child taken on official business but has not done so
~~~
Speaking from Palin’s Anchorage office, Leighow said Palin dealt with the plane and also trimmed other expenses, including forgoing a chef in the governor’s mansion because she preferred to cook for her family. The first family’s travel is an expected part of the job, she said.
“As a matter of protocol, the governor and the first family are expected to attend community events across the state,” she said. “It’s absolutely reasonable that the first family participates in community events.”
The state finance director, Kim Garnero, said Alaska law exempts the governor’s office from elaborate travel regulations. Said Leighow: “The governor is entitled to a per diem, and she claims it.”
The popular governor collected the per diem allowance from April 22, four days after the birth of her fifth child, until June 3, when she flew to Juneau for two days. Palin moved her family to the capital during the legislative session last year, but prefers to stay in Wasilla and drive 45 miles to Anchorage to a state office building where she conducts most of her business, aides have said.
Palin rarely sought reimbursement for meals while staying in Anchorage or Wasilla, the reports show.
~~~
Leighow noted that under state policy, all of the governor’s children are entitled to per diem expenses, even her infant son. “The first family declined the per diem [for] the children,” Leighow said. “The amount that they had declined was $4,461, as of August 5.”
~~~
Gov. Palin has spent far less on her personal travel than her predecessor: $93,000 on airfare in 2007, compared with $463,000 spent the year before by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski. He traveled often in an executive jet that Palin called an extravagance during her campaign. She sold it after she was sworn into office.
Leighow said that the governor’s staff has tallied the travel expenses charged by Murkowski’s wife: $35,675 in 2006, $43,659 in 2005, $13,607 in 2004 and $29,608 in 2003. Associates of Murkowski said the former governor was moose hunting and could not be reached to comment.

I’m sorry, but the woman claims less than the predecessor, and also doesn’t claim expenses she is entitled to. Another “scandal to nowhere”.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:42 pm"

Maybe the Democrats havegot it wrong in Alaska also

http://www.retireted.com/category/real-estate/gravina-bridge/

Who are you going to believe, "Stix"-  the direct  quote by the individual both on film and in the press...or some conservative blogger 's email out for their breakfast of slime in rubbish?  

Palin...Reformer?  Maverick?  Paleeeeeeeeze.  
Shark? yup.
Opportunist? yup 
Liar?  Absolutely. 

So many Americans are so isolated, and they want to believe a Fairy Tale like the Palin Tale.....afraid to open their eyes to the truth.  Keep on living in your dream land Stix!

Hey Walters

Arent you supposed to be mourning right now?  Your failed community organizer has already lost the election!

Afghan,  please inform us what a community organizer is.
In fact, any of you conservatives - feel free to explain what this activity is.

A community organizer is a person that goes to companies and government to gin up money for people out of work.  They also get the community all riled up to got to local government for grievances.  it is one of Alinski's tenants,  to rile p the people to take over govenment, they just need a leader.

They are found in big cities where Democrats run the city.   They are basically political agitators.  You do not find them in places where unemployment is low.  Like rural America and suburbs where people actually take care of themselves.

Afghan.....i constantly mourn for this failed nation.  I'm used to seeing republicans ripping off the people by using hate and fear as a motivating factor.  But our time will come one day, and you'll have a new day too!

You have failed the test, "Stix".  Go sit in the corner.  You have once again shown the world of your limited knowledge.

The  tell me exactly what is a community organizer.   I really want to know Obama doesn't even know.  There is no one community organizer that is like the next one;   it is whatever the political machine in that town wants them to be.

Community organizing is not solely the domain of progressive politics, as dozens of fundamentalist organizations are in operation, such as the Christian Coalition.
Obama moved to Chicago after college and did church-based organizing to help people who lost their jobs when steel mills closed.
Jerry Kellman is the man who hired Obama as an organizer for the Developing Communities Project in 1985 at a salary of $10,000 a year. Obama's job: find out what people needed, be it job training programs, asbestos removal or potholes filled, and help them work together to get action from their elected officials.
Community service groups reacted strongly.  Maude Hurd, president of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), said her group helps people learn leadership skills so they can work for better schools, wages and treatment from financial institutions. She said the "condescending attacks" were disappointing. A coalition of faith-based groups said political leaders should be thanking community organizers, not insulting them.
Republican John McCain's campaign made a terrible strategic mistake, says David Beckwith, executive director of the Needmor Fund, which funds community organizing across the country, and a board member of the Neighborhood Funders Group. He said the speeches made fun of "the people who are organized, not just the people who are doing the organizing. These are people who are deeply engaged in public life, and there are millions of them."
Palin's ignorance of what a "community organizer" does, and Guiliani mocked and milked the mockery endlessly during his address to the clueless people in funny hats, they actually gave assistance to the Obama campaign who not only pointed out the cruelty shown by the GOP- they actually raised millions of dollars practically overnight as a direct result of the GOP's clueless attacks. 
 

forgot the link ^ http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-04-community_N.htm

Is this the same ACORN that is getting charged with election fraud all over the country.  They are all part of a political machine in each of the big cities.  Yes they might sound like they are actually part of the community, but that is just a front for political activities. 

They are here in St. Louis also and have get out the votes and voter registration drives that have been so fraudulent.  I Kansas City many were arrested because of voter fraud.   I New Mexico they had felons going after people doing petition drives.  The unions give them money to keep people in line in unions.

Oh but the flowery post you put makes them look like Robin Hood.

Man, you do not know how Chicago Politics or any big city works do you.   Remember when JFK won the election.  It was community organizers that had fraudulent voters registered along with the mob to get JFK elected.  Without Chicago adn Dallas mob and unions workers getting out the vote with the dead, dogs and mutiple voting, JFK would have lost.

Every city has thier own little twist to what a community organizer is.  Some actually do help people, but during elction time it is time to pay the party machine with votes.

I lived in Chicago. I know exactly how it works. 

"the flowery post you put makes them look like Robin Hood."
Stix, I just put the facts.  You seem to think a community organizer is something of a terrorist network.  Now you know the truth- and no, not Robin Hood- he stole nothing- he gave people their dignity and their lives back- and helped get them trained for other lines of work in their community. 
The former Mayor of New York mocks this.
Palin poo-poos it- like it was nothing.
It has been part of her "assigned" campaign speak. 

Hey you can believe in anything you want. 

Did you see their voter registration drives or the fraud and abuse that has been well documented all over the country while in Chicago or were you just oblivious to what was going on.   Have you seen the thugs that are hired by these community organizations to bully people that want to peacefully get signatures for petitions.   Or have you seen the places where people have been registered to vote, mostly empty lots or graveyards.  Or 30 to 40 people in a single family home.
I have and it is a political machine that is the driver of these organizations.

have you seen them giving oney to people that vote, or alcohol to vote.  I have.  Community organizers are the lower rung on the olitical machine in Chicago, especially if you are not origanally from Chicago.  it is a way to prove yopu are part of the team.

I'l lput it this way   Have you seen the movie Gangs of New York.  Well, the community organizers are the ones that get the people to vote early and vote often.  it is not as violent as it is in the movie, but it is still pretty much the same thing.

Here is a little article about what a community organizer.  I know it is Michelle Malkin so you will just toss it to the side, but everything about ACORN and their surrogates is true.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/why_obamas_community_organizer.html

"Stix"- Michelle has had her thong on too tight for a very long time- it has forced her brain to leak out of her mouth. I have listened to her on many occasions- she spews a lot of hate on a regular basis and lumps people together with not a care or fact. I have no idea why she loathes people so.  Please find a rational,  legitmate source for your truths. 

First- you mention all sorts of places that are NOT chicago.
Secondly, your information about ACORN is not correct.
you can correct your misconceptions here: