"now playing that old political game" ?!??!

Encouraging debate amongst voters is the old political game?  Since when?  If you mean fabricating stories and feigning outrage to try and score points, that is the "old political game" that McCain has been playing the last few weeks.  Even Karl Rove has gone on the record that McCain's ads have been dishonest.

Now that's saying something.

Why the hell was Sarah Palin even using an UNSECURED private e-mail account to conduct official business?  What is she trying to hide?
(I wonder)
Yeah, Obama will have trouble polling good numbers as long as people believe ol man McCain's silly lies.  He'd like us to believe he's a Maverick, but between him and Phil Gramm, they've really made a mess of things.
Yeah, a maverick.......all Hat and NO Horse!

Yeah, you guys just wish that Obama would roll over and play dead, huh?  You can spare us your crocodile tears about how Obama's lost his nobility now that he's actually unleashing (gasp) negative ads.  Give us all a fucking break.  We're coming for your ASS.

"...reminds me of the anti-war rallies in San Francisco where the libs chant 'peace'; yet spit and degrade on others who believe differently than they do. Ha!"

Weird, reminds me of how the McCain camp keeps saying they want a clean race all the while pulling punches.  I was thinking more like a schoolyard bully that realizes he's about to get his head handed to him and starts screaming "I was just kidding!"  No more kidding.  No more pulling punches.  It's game time and the McCain-Palin fantasy is coming to a quick end.

I'm not understanding the whole "dems want more taxes thing" - I've paid more or about the same in taxes during both Bush's and less under Clinton. And my father paid more taxes under Regan [showing my age :)] 

I think the difference is what the taxes go towards.

wow, so the blog has now been infiltrated by Hump the Vote! First DailyKos and now you guys....im honored to have you here.  I just went to your site and love your humor.  You remind me a little of myself.

Now, let the games begin ladies.  I don't mind at all if you spend more time here than on your silly ass blog. 

@Red Dog

was that you I saw at the local Cindy Sheehan rally? You were wearing that Bob Dylan shirt, laughingstockss, a lot of facial hair and driving that 1960 volkswagen bug. That was you , right?

UC, did those code pink gals scare ya?

@David

Actually, they did. They are such unattractive women!  haha

Someone wants to get in my face and argue why I should vote for some socialist, I say bring it on.

@WeBearArms

Wow, sweetie ... love it, seriously.

Also, as a secret Muslim, I wonder if Obama was also be behind insurgent attacks in Iraq and even planning 9/11? Hmm, I wonder.

Liem....You are on to something here!

Calling Obama a socialist is a bit much obviously. Universal Healthcare to the rest of the world is called "I-love-it-that-i-don't-live-in-fear-of-something-out-of-my-control---care." What else is he a "socialist" on? Can't remember. But anyways, I understand the fun of name calling. I'll get into it eventually as well. But again, I'm a hippy-liberal-wuss so my name calling will be soft.

http://officeofstrategicinfluence.com/blog2/174
"Sarah Palin, a contender for the second most powerful post in the world, used the password “popcorn” for her email account........
What bothers me is that the person who is “one heartbeat away” from being in charge of my safety is using a seven character dictionary word as her password."

Dumb!  Ready to lead?  Hell Naw!

^^^ Because that's a lot dumber than thinking there are 57 states.

why talk to these stupid fucking republicans; and yes, I am a slut.

Ouch. The question about Zapatero came after a series of questions on how McCain sees relations with Venezuela, Bolivia and Cuba. He said he would not speak to Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez "without any sort of preconditions, as Senator Obama has said he would," and said Chávez was "depriving his people of their democratic rights." He judged Bolivia's Evo Morales as "very similar" and also condemned Cuba's Raúl Castro. When the questioner said, "Now let's talk of Spain" and asked whether he'd invite Zapatero(The Prime Minister of Spain.....an ally of ours),
McCain responded with a vague statement that he would meet "with those leaders who are our friends" and then cited Mexican President Felipe Calderón as an example. The questioner tried several more times to steer the Senator back to a clear answer on Spain, but McCain never directly addressed the nation, saying, "What I would say is that my record is that of someone who has worked in a friendly atmosphere with those who are our friends and faced up to those who aren't."

Does he not know he has just straight up dissed the Prime Minister of one of our Allies!
An idiot for a Chief Executive?
What about all this shit I hear about experience?
Is this experience?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1842156,00.html?xid=rss-world

Man this site has been invaded by the KosKids. 

Yes McCain made a gaffe, compared to the everyday Gaffemeister Biden.  
"it is patriotic to give our money to the government"   "Get up"   "Hillary would be a better choice than me"  etc., etc. etc.

Zapatero is not really a Ally now.  He has been a thorn in our side since he got into office.

Lovely. The man says "jump" and they say "how high boss?" Egads the got here so fast they're like the flying monkeys in the Wizard of Oz. So, I guess you oh so smart liberals are going to "get in our face"?  And do what?  Spit out trite rhetoric and pedestrian logic?  Yawn. The problem is half of you know more about Sarah palin than you do about Obama, and the other half could max out your cognitive blessings and still count opposing thumbs as your greatest job skill. What I find deliciously ignorant is the flabby storytelling of the terminally condescending blogger class among you. Ya know, the Columbia uber dilletantes and the Sarah Lawrence  grad in flannel & a trucker cap types. You seem to miss gaping holes (in logic). How is it that McCain showed poor judgement and a lack of respect for voters by naming someone completely unknown, yet before you can say "Marsha Marsha Marsha", the media is absolutely certain that Palin is _________insert immature histrionic obloquy here.
I'll tell ya if she really is what you say, then  you folks need to do some soul searching, and maybe some dumpster diving because that trailer trash prom queen isn't even breaking a sweat while she kicks your collective scone sucking, latte sipping asses at politics. Go fetch me Matt Damon and Lindsay Lohan. Maybe what they think will matter.

Got it made Got it made Got it made, I'm hot for teacha! 

So sorry. I meant MS. gaping holes. 

"Yes McCain made a gaffe, compared to the everyday Gaffemeister Biden.  
"it is patriotic to give our money to the government"   "Get up"   "Hillary
would be a better choice than me"  etc., etc. etc."
**********************************************************************

I understand that Biden is absolutely raking it in off those Harry Potter books!.........Oh wait. Nevermind. But really, can anyone be allowed to OWN the words when  the Democratic party needs them? The stakes are no less than.....change. I'd guess Barack is worth at least a cursory couch cushion search for change.

Dems.....better go hard to your happy place now because you haven't got enough acreage or enough mules to cover over the  holes in this paper messiah. Better ask Oprah to run her Christmas special a few weeks early and plan on  about 30 million awe inspiring  "favorite thangs".

Hey UC, your article said:  "I am beginning to wonder if he (Obama) is behind the hackers who broke into Sarah Palin’s email account. Hmm, I wonder."

Now UC, if you want the truth, you must read the Huffington bloggers.

They say this is a "Rovian" Republican trick, all set up by Karl Rove and the Republican so that Sarah Palin can get more sympathy from voters, or that she is hiding incriminating emails from Troopergate, or that it is a diversion to change the subject away from the economy. 

Here are some of the comments:

"This looks like a Rovian tactic to me. To take the attention away from the dire state the economy is in and focus in on some bogus e-mail scam. Rome is burning, my friends. Wake up!"
"It was either Palin, Bush or Karl Rove. McCain would not know how."
"IT'S A TRAP. DON'T FALL FOR IT. IT'S A KARL ROVE TRICK. The McCain campain is trying to change the topic away from the economy.
Remember the "alleged" hacking of Joe Lieberman's web site which was later proved not true.
Remember the forged letter about Bush's national guard service.
Spread the word to other web sites."
"Could be. And what a convenient "reason" for Sarah Palin to delete the accounts, now isn't it....

She gets to remove potential evidence of her wrongdoing, and come out looking like the victim at the same time.

It's a WIN WIN"

Karl Rove......now doesnt that make more sense? Aren't you proud to be a full fledged member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?  

David Walters states:
"What bothers me is that the person who is “one heartbeat away” from being in charge of my safety is using a seven character dictionary word as her password."

And it is precisely because you aren't the least bit embarrassed to express this laughable  bon mot that the Democratic party cannot win an election outside of the wifi range of a Manhattan Starbuck without forty acres and a mule..... or a carton of KOOLs at the very least.

The comedy is too much. Oh my heavens she chose a seven character dictionary word......philistine!!!!! Oily Bo-hunk!!!! What will they say at the New Yorker? This should beget that public school extremist the droll cartoon thrashing of her life! She'll be picking shards of sarcasm out of the man made fibres of her floozy frock for a fortnight! 

I got yer seven character words Niles.......Loozahz.

"This looks like a Rovian tactic to me. To take the attention away from the dire state the economy is in and focus in on some bogus e-mail scam. Rome is burning, my friends. Wake up!"
"It was either Palin, Bush or Karl Rove. McCain would not know how."
"IT'S A TRAP. DON'T FALL FOR IT. IT'S A KARL ROVE TRICK. The McCain campain is trying to change the topic away from the economy.

OMG!  You people are absolutely priceless....
Hey, c'mere. I've got a little secret you will NOT believe.
That show about the roadrunner and the supergenius Coyote???
It's a fake. Not a real coyote at all. Moving pictures. Swear to god.

Ted.....I suppose it is more "patriotic" to borrow money to pay for this
$10Billion/ month war of Bush's........gaffe?  No, more like a reality.  It's time to wake up our of dream land my friend.

Stix........last time i checked, Spain is and has been a NATO ally and is part of our contingent in Afghanistan.  An EXPERIENCED leader would have known that, but like i've been trying to figure out is:
EXACTLY WHAT IS JOHN MCCAIN EXPERIENCED AT?
Best i can tell, he's only experienced at F**KING-UP the economy of our nation!

correction:  ".....wake up out of dream land my friend"
Thank You!

great job republicans things are going swimmingly, and yes I am a abortion loving slut.

amber.....
didn't you hear?
The democrats engineered this just to embarrass poor lil BoyGeorgeBush,
don't you see!?
And John McCain is gonna fix it!  Right after he deregulated it, he's gonna have some kinda alpha-bet regulatory agency fix it!
You been drinkin' kool-aid?
Dammit!

I am in the financial world, not a part of the mortgage crisis, and have a good understanding of the economic plans of both candidates and what is happening around us.  That is the biggest issue that we face besides protecting our country.  Today Biden set the record straight on what is expected from the folks who make 250K or more and said it was time for them to be patriotic and give more of what they earn to the government.  what in the hell does patriotic have to do with anything?  The cost of living in some parts of the US are 2 and 3 times that of other cities, and families need higher incomes just to survive.   they have kids that need to be sent to college too!  folks in higher paying jobs employ people!  it is that simple.  if Obama/Biden take more from them, they will lay people off and/or raise the prices of goods they sell.  i'm talking to owners of small businesses and that is what they are planning because they won't be able to keep their businesses open.  do we need higher unemployment?  that is the real story.  do other issues, except for security, compare to higher unemployment and higher prices for middleclass americans????  it is interesting that democrats either sidestep these facts or want to "stick it to the man."  What good will giving about $1,000 more a year to the middle and lower class if they are unemployed?  How is $1,000 going to feed a family and pay the mortgage?  I haven't even discussed how the stock market will drop even further and no one including the middleclass will have enough money in their 401k plans to retire.  does it matter that raising taxes for a certain group of people affects everyone negatively including the folks that Obama/Biden say they are helping.  How many more hits can our economy take?  It was refreshing to hear what i already knew.  Biden seemed proud of it--go figure.  we may have jobs now, but we may not if Obama/Biden gets into office.  If it were left up to Obama, us hard working regular folks would never be able to retire or save for our futures.  Both sides are at fault for not paying attention to wallstreet.  This has been going on for so many years.  Everyone in Washington is to blame for not protecting the economy from such greed.  Of course, folks who choose to live beyond their means and are not responsible for their own debt should be accountable also.  Because of this irresponsibility, the vultures on wallstreet took advantage of it.  There is blame everywhere unfortunately on BOTH SIDES.  I hold Bush and responsible along with the SEC and Congress.  This started so many years ago and continued to get worse until it finally blew up. 

War of Bush's. How can a party with such 2 dimensional cartoon logic be so condescending?

Do you liberals realize that there are still a whole lot of yocals who remember explaining to their 7 year olds why people were jumping out of the World Trade Center or that those pictures on the news about Iraqis were really Kurdish villagers who got their lungs melted by Sadam Hussein.

And every time you call it "Bush's" war and procede to tear down the leaders of your own country, all the yocals recognize that A) you embolden tyrants to think we haven't got the stomach to stop them and B) If Jesus Christ himself came down from heaven and promised you everlasting life if you just had a beer with any GOP president and went twenty minutes without spewing invective, you be chanting "wing-nut wing-nut" in hell and chest bumpin Beelzebub. 

"why talk to these stupid fucking republicans; and yes, I am a slut."

I agree Amber. it is not a great use of your time. I'm afraid most of us republican could sustain blunt force trauma to the head with sub cranial bleeding  while having our cerebellums removed with a melon baller and we'd still have a bout 40-50 IQ points on you my dear.  Why don't you go memorize some of Mo Dowd's stuff and get back to me after rehearsal.

How big a slut we talkin? you got one of those tramp stamps along the thong line? You may not be any Nobel Prize, but I got a supply side a mile wide and it doesn't trickle down. GOP'ers can show why the Surge gets the job done.

Raising taxes is patriotic?  I don't know, I'm pretty sure the plan to lower the taxes for everyone making under $250,000 a year is pretty patriotic, and asking those who can afford to live an extremely comfortable lifestyle to contribute more is not unreasonable.  The concept, to me, seems pretty simple: if you make a lot of money, you can probably afford to give more away and still maintain a relatively high standard of living, as opposed to allowing those who make more money to keep it, and those who make less (and may not share the up-to-par lifestyle) to pay more.

So it is Patriotic to push jobs overseas and to lay people off.   Yes that is very Patriotic.

Answer me these 20 questions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2V8sQUw-90

"The concept, to me, seems pretty simple: if you make a lot of money, you can probably afford to give more away and still maintain a relatively high standard of living, as opposed to allowing those who make more money to keep it, and those who make less (and may not share the up-to-par lifestyle) to pay more."
Where did this little economic bon mot come from? The Close Cover Before Striking Institute for Pedestrian Logic? I hope you drew the mouse better than you made a case for bifurcating economic risk and economic benefit. I'd explain it all to you....but I'm bored and you wouldn't get it anyway. I find it to be the height of irony that the left is framing Ms. Palin as the lightweight when you folks serve the lightest fluffiest chocolate mousse in town.

The link is bad Stix..........
"So it is Patriotic to push jobs overseas and to lay people off.   Yes that is very Patriotic."

So Americans should be beholden to the ruling rich class......and if we don't do their bidding,
well, they'll just move offshore..........yeah.....THAT'S PATRIOTIC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEOFuinA2Sc

No if you tax the rich and companies, then they will move to places where there is less taxes.  

Nice quote from Karl Marx though.

 I am lucky enough to have dual citizenship. It was as obvious to me five years ago that America was headed for an economic melt down in the near future (as obvious as Bushes WMD claim was ridiculous).  Three years ago i sold my business took my money  and belongings and moved to australia. I did not want to go, but after three questionable and expensive wars, ( war and tax cuts, go figure) out of control economic policy, and the rights unwillingness to negotiate, and love it or leave it/with us or  against us mentality (fight to make some change and your un-American or a socialist) I figured it was time. I love my country and have questioned the wisdom of this move many times. From a purely financial standpoint it was the right thing to do, though I feel a little like a rat deserting a sinking ship. I have just started a new company and i will be doing business in the US. I want to support my country but i am lost as to how. again when i tried in the states i/ we were always marginalized. now all i can do is shake my head and say stupid fucking repulicans. i need a smoke, a drink and a lay.

and yes in time of war it is "patriotic" to raise taxes, thats how we share the bourdon of the war effort instead of  passing it on to future generations stupid fucking republican

So,
I have learned it is not patriotic to desire decent wages, or health care,
or a clean environment .......
but American companies ARE patriotic if move offshore to avoid a tax......
How could i have been so stupid?  We should always  KISS corporate ASSES!

i saw McCain speaking at a GM plant yesterday.......
after his speech, the workers erupted into chants of
O-BA-MA!  O-BA-MA!  O-BA-MA!
He'd best stay at those campaign stops where only the invited are allowed.

@ ameriken

David--

Re:  So Americans should be beholden to the ruling rich class......and if we don't do their bidding,
well, they'll just move offshore..........yeah.....THAT'S PATRIOTIC!

Neither is true!  However, we as Americans are free to choose if and who we work for and whether we would start our own business and become one of the "rich."  that is one of the many freedoms we enjoy.  The rich want to stay in business and small business owners LIKE MY DAD, who is not rich but Obama classifies him as such, have to make choices.  My dad has to stay in business to feed himself and his wife and put a roof over their heads.  (by the way he started from nothing.)  He earns the money and pays a shit load of taxes already and doesn't need the pressures of having to make a decision of closing up shop or going bankrupt.  how fair is that?  He lives in a rural area where there are no jobs and most folks are on welfare.  However, he is able to employ about 35 people.  He is not greedy and considers his employees as family.  So what should he do if Obama gets into office and raises his taxes?  I guess he could pass the increase to his customers and charge higher prices.  He would prefer not to do that but, it would be another option.  of course, he would lose business that way, and employees would lose their jobs.  Other small business owners that i know are thinking the same way.  They are definitely not "rich."  I guess they are screwed and the employees are too!  No one seems to care about that side but it is a vital part of our country.  this economy cannot afford it! 

hey david you  seem quite able to have a discussion  with these creatures while maintaining a dispassionate rationality, quite commendable . I on the other hand hate them, and i mean real hate, I hold them responsible for the demise of our economy and ecosystem (not to mention the untold dead from all the wars). I guess what i am asking is, do you see any movement ,are they coming around or is this becoming an ideological line in the sand, (as my position has  become) that will not be crossed .

what is this 2+2 challenge shit, keeping the bar low so republicans can participate

Amber:  i agree with part of your statement below.

"and yes in time of war it is "patriotic" to raise taxes, thats how we share the bourdon of the war effort instead of  passing it on to future generations stupid fucking republican"

of course, we all have to understand what the classification of "rich" means.  however, since this is a democratic society, we all should share the burden and not just the "rich" because the "rich" are not all "rich" as you can tell from my earlier blog.  I'm a proud republican and definitely understand that we all need to participate in supporting our country.  there are a lot of folks who love to make up excuses of why they are not "rich" and can't make enough money to pay more taxes.  Isn't that what you guys think folks like me should do--only work to pay taxes to support others and not be able to support ourselves and our families?  This is a free country, and unless a person is disabled, etc., the average person has choices of earning more money or not.  i chose to go back to college and get my degree along with my masters because i didn't want my son to suffer because of my stupid choices.  Of course, i was a divorced single mom, worked full time, went to school and took care of my son and i didn't ask for handouts from anyone.  I didn't sleep but it was definitely worth it.  i got tired of working two meaningless low paying jobs!  why can't others do the same????  is it because those who don't chose to earn more are somehow too good to work as hard as i do and better themselves as i did?  Most folks have choices--if and how many children they have and what careers they chose.  however, it takes effort if you don't have support, which i didn't have.  I was poor and now i'm ok.  so others can do the same!  and i don't chose to say "f...... democrats" because i choose to have better forms of communication to discuss these subjects in a more productive manner.   

amber - such harsh words!  I don't hate people like you. I laugh hysterically at people like you. David is a liberal, but he can hold an intelligent (sometimes) conversation.  Take your hate-filled deranged mass of human waste somewhere else.

You have to laugh at their lunacy, UC.
NO he has not changed our minds.

Jack
Do you believe everything your told?  Wise up my man......our country is in a crisis brought on by Bush's lack of leadership and McCain's support for deregulating investment banking.
If your dad makes over $250,000......trust me, he ain't gonna die, he can afford a tax adjusted to pre-Bush levels.  With a $10Billion per MONTH war going on, and a tightening of the capital market......  how exactly are we going to pay down our $9TRILLION debt?
Do we just keep passing debt on to our children?
How about our infrastructure?  Should we just say "screw-it"....let it crumble?
It's time to think Jack and stop listening to others........look at where we are and how we got there.  We have lots of tough choices to make.

Stix --- thanks for sticking around man.  this site is getting bombarded with Dailykosers all the time ....

amber - 2+2 equals 4; and if you get it wrong, all your comments will be flagged as spam. It's called addition or basic arithmetic. Were you absent the day they taught that subject in High school or did you drop out sooner than that?

this is fun!

you should be ashamed to be to be a republican and if you voted for Bush (fool me once ...ah how does that go) twice your dumber then he is and should be sterilized 

amber - i am not republican biaaatch!  I am a conservative. there is a difference.  as my good friend TOE says, look it up and inform yourself.

keep it comin' ... glad that you are following your messiah's words today on being "aggresive and in your face".

Too bad you bring weak arguments and lack any critical thinking skills.

i got 1.3 on the dollar and a grant to start a new business who is laughing now  you stupid republican p.s. give me my country back 

Amber.......i don't hate em, but i won't let em redefine truth.  I gotta live here and make the most of it.  I guess i'm used to it cause i've worked with these people all my life.
I understand the 2 types of republicans....
the rich and the suckers. 
The rich have their reasons to be republicans.
The suckers are just fearful, and accept hierarchical systems.. I feel sorry for these guys,and i can respect the others no matter how wrong they are.
They're just trying to protect their stash.

Amber:  i'm not sure if this posted but this is a previous blog.

    David--

Re:  So Americans should be beholden to the ruling rich class......and if we don't do their bidding,
well, they'll just move offshore..........yeah.....THAT'S PATRIOTIC!

Neither is true!  However, we as Americans are free to choose if and who we work for and whether we would start our own business and become one of the "rich."  that is one of the many freedoms we enjoy.  The rich want to stay in business and small business owners LIKE MY DAD, who is not rich but Obama classifies him as such, have to make choices.  My dad has to stay in business to feed himself and his wife and put a roof over their heads.  (by the way he started from nothing.)  He earns the money and pays a shit load of taxes already and doesn't need the pressures of having to make a decision of closing up shop or going bankrupt.  how fair is that?  He lives in a rural area where there are no jobs and most folks are on welfare.  However, he is able to employ about 35 people.  He is not greedy and considers his employees as family.  So what should he do if Obama gets into office and raises his taxes?  I guess he could pass the increase to his customers and charge higher prices.  He would prefer not to do that but, it would be another option.  of course, he would lose business that way, and employees would lose their jobs.  Other small business owners that i know are thinking the same way.  They are definitely not "rich."  I guess they are screwed and the employees are too!  No one seems to care about that side but it is a vital part of our country.  this economy cannot afford it! 

So to comment on someone's post about those who live more comfortable than others can afford to pay taxes.  The above proves that theory wrong.  keep in mind, my father pays over $1,600 a month for him and his wife for their medical insurance (high deductibles) and does not have dental insurance.  they pay out of pocket for every dental procedure and high deductibles for their medical plans.  Of course, it would be a total disaster if the government provided insurance for everyone as we know they can't manage a damned thing!

no republicans are not conservative

"i got 1.3 on the dollar and a grant to start a new business who is laughing now  you stupid republican p.s. give me my country back "

Porn doesn't count sweetie.

hey urban I got 1.3 on the dollar and a grant to start a new bus who is laughing now. take a good look around you still laughing 

I am sincerely proud of you honey. Now you can get off welfare. I WANT MY MONEY BACK!

Fine jack no war  lower tax