Now the campaign has come out and said he didn't watch it and didn't know what it had in it.

Who says you don't get a 2nd chance to make a 1st   impression ?

Word has it,... on or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, 
citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2. 

Barack Obama says he's all about "change"... this proves it
Joe Biden under the bus...Hillary comes aboard...            "CLINTON
POWER"

Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop
Obama's footsteps                                                                       Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop-Flip-flop

gary- your alarm clock is going off. 
wake up.  smell the coffee.
go read the newspaper.
(or have someone read it to you)

if you have paid the least bit of attention- you would see that your boy, McCain does not have a single solitary consistent stand on anything longer than a day (if that).  he made an absolute fool of himself with statements regarding Georgia,  Iraq,  the SEC chairman,  the economy,  deregulation,  his (non) support on vet issues-  good grief the list is endless.
go watch what George Will said about McCain this past sunday- 
we are witness to a complete meltdown of the man-who-would-be-king of the hill.
that's what happens when you shoot from the lip,  have no plan, , no direction, and surround yourself with and gain advice from the very same people who put us in the mess we are in.
you can think you are funny,  gary- but the reality is pretty sobering.  i suggest you pay closer attention.

Barack Obama's theme song...                                                                                                                                                 Everybody sing... 
Flip-flop-and-Flip-flop-and-shoo-bee-do-bee-do-bee    Flip-flop-Flip-flop-and-shoo-bee-do-bee-do-bee                     One day yes-the next day no..                                                      and-so-and-so-on-and-shoo-bee-do-bee-"Du-Du"

"he made an absolute fool of himself with statements regarding Georgia,  Iraq,  the SEC chairman,  the economy,  deregulation,  his (non) support on vet issues-"

Dude, what flavor is the kool-aid you're drinking?  Seriously, I'm thinking you are the one who needs to pay attention.

TOE,
PAT ATTENTION TO WHO ? ..........YOU ?
YOU'RE THE ONE SUPPORTING OBAMA...REMEMBER ?                     IF EVER THERE WAS AN EMPTY SUIT IT'S YOUR GUY...               YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

                                                                                                       
IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY FORGOT TO TAKE HIS MEDICATION TODAY...
DID SOMEBODY STEP ON YOUR TOE ? ... TOE ?

gary, does your mother know that you are playing on the computer?

bare arms:

i am certain that you have a point, however, if you comb your hair differently, it probably won't show as much.

"he made an absolute fool of himself with statements regarding Georgia,  Iraq,  the SEC chairman,  the economy,  deregulation,  his (non) support on vet issues-"
yup. 
look it up for yourself.   it's all there.  proof positive that your boy is so absolutely befuddled - entirely lost- and cannot handle a crisis of any type.
period.

McCain survived a prison camp...what was it again that your guy did ?

Toe,
Let's leave our Mother's out of this OK
grow-up

If Stephen Hawking can use a computer, then john McCain has no reason to cry.

repugs quit your bitching, what about the  McCain  add ..Obama voted for a bill that teaches sex ed. to preschooler, not only low but totally misleading

It's really quite depressing to see just how uninterested most of the posters on this blog are in anything like truth or objectivity. Rather, it's a bunch of cheerleading or booing, and it's as if people are not actually interested in what's best for their country, just that their own team wins.

I am not a die-hard Democrat or liberal, but after actually looking at the information about, and positions given by both candidates, both on their websites and in their answers to questions, I don't see a compelling reason to support McCain anymore. If you're interested in keeping tallies, it seems that he's been considerably more willing to engage in false statements and exaggerations than Obama. Check the following websites:

http://www.factcheck.org
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

I was particularly excited about McCain's earlier statement that he would agree to a "clean campaign"; apparently, he's changed his mind (unsurprisingly though, given that people respond to negativity so well).

Further, given that McCain's strongest asset is his experience, it is absolutely mysterious why he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate; the best reasons seem to be those given by Karl Rove (except he was talking about Kaine--please look up this video if you haven't seen it already). I lost a lot of respect for McCain with that choice: running negative ads because they work is one thing, but taking political gambles with the office of the Vice President is quite another.

I have to admit, Sen Biden was a standup guy when it came to his comment. Don't know how Barack will take that, but I like Biden more and more all the time. The whole comment about gun control was enough for me, when he said if Barack tried to take his Beretta he would have a problem--priceless. I sense a disturbance in the lib force.....

I don't think it is really fair to blame BHO for this ad. In order to blame him we would have to admit that he has a mind of his own, which is clearly not the case. I mean, come on, the last original thought he had was "Hey, that Rezko guy is kinda cool" and look where that has gotten him. It is painfully obvious he can't think for himself or be trusted with his own comments. The man sleeps with a teleprompter for cryin out loud. I like to think of him as a superhero now (Teleprompter Man--duh duh duh!!)

Does make me wonder just how radical the guy pulling the strings in this whole debacle is. Look for the fiendish smile behind the teleprompter.

Ya gotta love Joe Biden...I am not a liberal so while I dont agree with his politics, I respect the man.....he wears his heart on his sleeve, is not a politically correct panderer, and what you see is what you get. You're way too cool Joe!

Toe said: he made an absolute fool of himself with statements regarding Georgia,  Iraq,  the SEC chairman,  the economy,  deregulation,  his (non) support on vet issues-"
yup. 
look it up for yourself.   it's all there.  proof positive that your boy is so absolutely befuddled - entirely lost- and cannot handle a crisis of any type. period.
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McCain is befuddled?

Who's been to 57 states and has one left to go? And what about the Memorial Day speech where he saw dead veterans? Oh yeah, and he spent 20 years in a church, and has absolutely no idea what sermons his Pastor preached.  
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And how about when he visited Souix Falls, Ia (Souix City) and Sunshine, Fla (Sunrise), Grand Rapids (Rapid City) and Wisconsin (Wyoming)?
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"On this Memorial as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes, and I see many of them in the audience here today."
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And how about when he wanted to use Iraqi translators in Afghanistan? (They speak two different languages).
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And what about his wanting to be Commander of Chief? (Not C 'in' C)
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And the guy said ""I will remove all our combat troops, we will have troops there to protect our embassies and our civilian forces and we will engage in counter terrorism activities. How large that force is, whether it's located inside Iraq or as an over the horizon force is going to depend on what our military situation is." (He will remove all combat troops and leave troops there? WTF is he talking about?)
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He said "I would immediately call the president of Mexico, the president of Canada............." (How about Prime Minister of Canada?) 
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"He [Obama] joins us now from San Antonio, Texas. Senator, good morning to you."  Obama: "Good morning Matt." Gregory: "It's David today, Senator." Obama: "I'm sorry, David."
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And how about when Obama Said He Made A Gaffe Earlier Saying "The Time For Come Has Changed." Obama: "The time for change has come in one day's time. I have to say, by the way, I should just interrupt a moment to say that I've been campaigning a lot, because this morning I said the time for come has changed." (CNN's, "Newsroom," 1/7/08)
But Obama Actually Said "The Time Has Changed For Come." CNN's Jeanne Moos: "Actually, he said..." Obama: "The time has changed for come."(CNN's, "Newsroom," 1/8/08)
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yup. You're right Toe. look it up for yourself.   it's all there, and I only included a handful. 

proof positive that your boy is so absolutely befuddled - entirely lost- and cannot handle a crisis of any type. period.

Amber said: "repugs quit your bitching"

Repugs? LOL! Fiberals quit your bitching......it's your own boy Biden that made the comments about Obama's ad.

and who's campaign manager(Rick Davis)owns a lobbying firm that has accepted payment from FreddyMac up until this year?
Yeah, real change coming from McCain?  NOT!

@ameriken, post 20, & @Russell post 18,

This shows nothing, except that Obama has misspoken on occasion. So has McCain. I doubt it's really possible that someone like that could not misspeak, given that nearly everything they say is recorded in one way or another.

What's (I think, obviously) much more important is whether these people have defects in their beliefs about policy, not that they say "of" when they should have said "in". For instance, it's entirely unclear at this point whether McCain thinks the economy needs to be regulated or deregulated; he's been a champion of deregulation for many years, but now it seems as if he's all for new regulations to keep these greedy CEOs from having too much power.

And Obama hasn't had an original thought? It's amazing how stupid you people think others are. This is why negative ads work so well: people are more interested in just cheerleading and booing, rather than actually engaging any ideas.

@ Corey......"This shows nothing, except that Obama has misspoken on occasion. So has McCain."

Corey........I totally agree......my post with the Obama gaffes was in direct response to Toe's post #12...who doesnt seem to understand that both sides have plenty of gaffes.....
 

ameri-con- there's a pretty big difference between obama's spoonerisms
and
"the economy is fundamentally sound" as seen by mccain.
...or insisting that he would "fire" the head of the SEC if he were president.  (except that the president cannot fire the head of the SEC)
...or the attempted cover the following day by saying that the "FEC" head should resign. (some cover)
...or his knee-jerk, guns-a-blazing response to the georgia/russia conflict - instead of a reasoned, informed response.
...or his lack of geographical knowledge to know what country borders iraq
...or his lack of knowledge that the USSR and czechoslovakia no longer exist.
...or his back-peddle on regulatory needs while at the same time his campaign head was acting on behalf of Freddie Mac to keep out any regulatory measures and continued to receive payment monthly until last month...meanwhile mccain (yesterday)  denied this even happened.  now, either mccain does not know who is doing what around him- or does not care- or is lying... which is it?
...or his utter nonsense of blaming obama for the current financial crisis- and the old boys in washington...when, in point of fact- mccain IS one of the old boys and has been for 26+ years! 
everyone transposes words.  no biggie.  your problem amer ick con is that you cannot -or will not- see the big picture or the real issues.  it all boils down to one salient point:  mccain is not presidential material.  he has not the physical stamina required,  the memory, the knowledge, the understanding, or the temperament.

McCain Loses His Head

By George F. Will
Tuesday, September 23, 2008; Page A21

Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

"Since 2006, the federally sponsored mortgage giant Freddie Mac has paid at least $345,000 to the lobbying and consulting firm of John McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis, according to two sources familiar with the arrangement."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561
This is just more Liberal lies, isn't it ameriken?
Please tell me that John McCain's Campaign Manager isn't mixed up in this!

Sorry Dave but you are wrong

sorry but this is dfrom another blogs comment thread

Richard Davis is a political consultant by trade, and has been in the campaign business since 1980. The consulting arm, from what I gather, is Davis, Manafort & Freedman in Alexandria, Virginia.
Paul. J. Manafort is a professional lobbyist, and had (and may still have) Manafort , Stone & Kelly in Wash DC, and was founder of Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly.
Davis started working with Manafort in 1996 for the GOP convention. Together for their services they formed Davis Manafort, Inc. He can be an owner of more than one business, ya know…
He then joined Bob Dole’s campaign team as a political consultant. Then moved on to McCain’s 1999 POTUS bid.
Inbetween the 2000 campaign and now, he was VP of Homeownership Alliance (not a lobbying firm), and also McCain’s Reform Institute, which was formed to promote McCain’s now infamous campaign reform agenda.
Manafort is the lobbyist. Davis is the political consultant. They have a joint business. However the money that all these idiot jerk offs that call themselves “journalists” from Fannie/Freddie was not for lobbying services.
OpenSecrets has records all of the lobbying money for Davis Manafort during their active lobbying era. As Davis says, he’s (his business) has not been involved in clientele for lobbying services since 2005.
Their clientele?

2005:
Deutsche Post $195,000 Deutsche Post World Net
Imagesat International $80,000 -
Preserve Luke Afb $20,000 -
SBC Communications $120,000 -
Verizon Communications $130,000
2004:
Deutsche Post $210,000 Deutsche Post World Net
Imagesat International $40,000 -
Preserve Luke Afb $105,000 -
SBC Communications $120,000 -
Verizon Communications $240,000
2003:
Deutsche Post $60,000 Deutsche Post World Net
DHL Holdings USA $125,000 Airborne Inc
SBC Communications $110,000 -
Verizon Communications $170,000
2001:
BellSouth Corp $80,000 -
GTECH Holdings Corp $30,000 GTech Corp
Omni Computer Products $20,000
1999:
Fruit of the Loom $120,000 -
GTECH Holdings Corp $60,000 GTech Corp
Lockheed Martin $58,500 Comsat Corp
SBC Communications $130,000
1998:
COMSAT Corp $120,000 Comsat Corp
Fruit of the Loom $190,000 -
GTECH Holdings Corp $70,000 GTech Corp
SBC Communications $190,000

Funny… I’m missing that Fannie/Freddie client in all this, eh?
I suggest that Fannie/Freddie’s payments were to Davis as his political consulting tasks for Homeownership Alliance, as has been noted in my post #18.
It’s like you’re getting a barrel supposedly filled with apples from your liberal media buds, only to dig down and find that apple barrel has peaches, plus, oranges and kumquats in it too. You’re just passing it off as all apples by the top layer.

 
try better next time Dave.   But do not believe all you read in the MSM.

@ David......did I say anything about liberal lies? Those are your words, not mine. I havent said a word other than responding to some of the liberal nonsense posted here. 

As for Rick Davis, I cant stand him, and McCain should fire his sorry and dirty ass......Davis will destroy McCains so-called 'clean' campaign.

I am not so blind to think that 'my' candidate (and McCain was not my candidate) is so perfect. He's a politician, and politicians are scum....they rank down there with lawyers (maybe thats why so many lawyers are politicians, do you know any lawyers who turned politician?). So, I am not at all surprised that Davis got money from Fred, nor am I surprised a politician is using him to run a campaign.

BTW...you forgot to mention how McCain also got campaign contributions from Fred and Fannie. I guess you somehow missed that, because if you were to be truly honest and not tell a liberal lie (your words, I never said such a thing) , you would have to also post that Dodd, Obama, and Kerry were the top 3 recipients. all got money from them. Must have just slipped your mind.

@ toe: sorry if I insulted your Jesus who walks on water. You are right, I know Obama is a perfect little saint, and if he doesn't know who he's talking to or where he is, it's just an honest mistake. But if McCain does it, it's because he's out of touch or too old. Now that's what I call logic and sound, reasonable thinking.  
BTW toe, you are a real amazing creative genius....how in the world did you figure out 'ameriken' could be changed to 'ameri-con'. Its even more amazing how you came up with such and original name for WeBearArms by changing it to 'Bare Arms'. I am so impressed. Liberals have this amazing talent for making up names for anyone who is a conservative. You must belong to Mensa!

It reminds me of grammer school days where all the kids made fun of each others name.  What grade are you in?  
 

It looks like Mr. Davis is a little more involved with Freddie than the analysis Mr. Stix provided above.  I'm surprised since Stix is so much smarter than all of us.  Old Man River challenged us to examine Rick Davis' record with Freddie Mac.  I think he said something about no relationship with them since 2005.  It looks like he, as in Rick Davis personally, NOT Davis-Manafort the lobby/consulting firm, was receiving 15K a month from Freddie up until LAST MONTH.  But don't worry, Stix, he didn't DO anything for the money.  It was just to maintain access to a certain US Senator.  His name escapes me at the moment.  Thank you for the smoke screen you provided above.  Now go away.

Ameriken:
"......did I say anything about liberal lies?"..... Naw not really "Fiberals quit your bitching......"(A Fiberal is a lieing liberal?)
But i am so glad Stix straightened me out about Rick Davis.....
So he is merely a "political consultant".
"Freddie Mac had previously paid an advocacy group run by Davis, called the Homeownership Alliance, $30,000 a month until the end of 2005,"       -(ref. Michael Isikoff's article)
-Nothing wrong with all that.  It's legal, above board.
So, what did Freddie Mac actually pay for?  My friends(in a classic McCain monotone)......it was for Mr. Davis' ability to whisper in McCain's ear..........isn't this what a POLITICAL CONSULTANT DOES?
And it shows the many faces of John McCain, and his proclivity for talking straight out of BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH.
So if Mr. Isikoff isn't lieing, ".... the money could be perceived as helping Freddie Mac ensure a good relationship with one of McCain's top aides in the event that he became president."
A political consultant!  Nice!

I'm with you Corey!  I have supported both parties over the years (Reagan, Bush 1 *mistake, Clinton, and I hate to admit it but I went with Bush 2 in 2000).  

The way that I see it, our country has cancer.  Not a lump or even a large tumor that needs to be extracted with follow up radiation.  We have active cancer.  We need some aggressive treatment.

Now if I were a patient, I would not go to the doctor in the same medical practice that I have been going to for the past 8 years that allowed my cancer to get so out of hand.  Especially if he picked a nurse who had gone to 5 nursing schools and had been the head nurse at a vets office for the past two years.  
I'd go to the practice of the young hot shot doctor that went to the best medical school in the country whose nurse had a high end degree and had been working in the oncology field for many many years with great success.

It's a no brainer.

And "WeBearArms"- I don't know what flavor of kool aid you are drinking but I'd switch to the sugar free right quick.  That picture of yours gives me nightmares. 

"And "WeBearArms"- I don't know what flavor of kool aid you are drinking but I'd switch to the sugar free right quick.  That picture of yours gives me nightmares. "

Geesh someone peed on someone's cheerios this morning, and what a good morning it is.
I hope you like my new picture, I made is 'specially just for those who didn't like my cleavage.

@ David........oh c'mon and join in on the fun that Amber and toe started.  'fiberals quit your bitching' was just my response to Ambers 'repugs quit your bitching'. Amber and toe started the very intellectual game of name calling fun, so I was just joining in on the fun.

Made me feel like I was back in 3rd grade. Also felt like a loyal Kos fan...they're experts at coming up with such original names.    

And David, in your discussion about Rick Davis receiving money from Fannie and Freddie, you somehow glossed Dodd, Obama, and Kerry being the top 3 recipients of Fannie and Freddie contributions.

But I am sure that is somehow justified.

They still are posting up lies about Davis.  He was never alobbyists or worked for Frann and Freddie in the past 2 years.  Just because NYT says something, does not meanthat it is the truth.   Which usually it is the total opposite.

Speaking of gaffes, Biden had a really great one.
http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/09/24/wtf/doc48da293239588935833802.txt

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened,'" Barack Obama's running mate recently told the "CBS Evening News."

Sorry Joe, FDR wasn't president, Hoover was. And television didn't come out until about 10 years later. But, history isn't important, is it.

Ameriken in 34:
"And David, in your discussion about Rick Davis receiving money from Fannie and Freddie, you somehow glossed Dodd, Obama, and Kerry being the top 3 recipients of Fannie and Freddie contributions."

-Or didn't mention it at all.  The contributions are public knowledge.
Campaign contributions are just a bit different from "consulting fees"

What I find interesting is Rick Davis's role as a "political consultant"......
Taking $15,000/month consulting fees ....no quid-pro-quo?

(".......it's over, it's over for the special interests......."-John McCain wails)
So, am i to believe Mr. Davis would have NO role in a McCain White House? 

Yes, $15,000/month in consulting fees from FreddyMac.  What, pray tell, was he "consulting" about? 
Mr. Isikoff thinks ".... the money could be perceived as helping Freddie Mac ensure a good relationship with one of McCain's top aides in the event that he became president."
But he is merely a liberal liar, huh?

WeBearArms......
Nice cleavage!  Show me more!

Stix,
See the funny thing about blaming the press when you don't like what they say (commonly known as blaming the messenger) is that you use the press to bolster your contrary view.  So is the press only unbiased or truthful when it agrees with you?  Either Rick Davis hung Father Time out to dry by secretly taking money from Freddie (the operative word being secretly) and not telling him or they both lied to the American people.  And you know they will be looking under every rock at Fannie and Freddie to see what was paid to whom and when.  Hey, Dems aren't faultless here either but McCain went to great lengths to talk about Franklin Raines and then challenged people to examine the record of Rick Davis.  It's the righteous indignation that turns people off.  Even if Old Man River was clueless (very likely) to the facts regarding the secret payments from Freddie to Davis, he reacted angrily and forcefully.  Think Chris Cox on Friday.  McCain, the so-called "reformer" has spent 26 years in Washington.  He's knows or he should have known that his own people had their hands out just like everyone else.  These last few days have exposed McCain for who he really is.  Out of touch, hot headed and lacking in sound judgement.

Stix, I'll reserve judgement on Rick Davis' 15K a month in secret payments from Freddie up until last month.  If the NYT and Newsweek turn out to be " posting up lies about Davis" as you say, I'll acknowledge it, BUT if it turns out to be true, then what?  I'm sure you'll say it doesn't matter or they did it too or some other pathetic excuse.  Is Fox an acceptable medium before you believe it?  If Davis "steps down" will that be enough?  Just let me know because I'm curious.

Again, Stix, I implore you to just go away before you further embarrass yourself.

This is a conservative blog.  RIGHT?

Why is it that the liberals cant stay off this site and let the intelligent people speak to one another?

The libs should go to topix or MSNBC blogs where they belong.

What's wrong Marty.......is it hard to imagine having to actually use facts in support of an issue?
I enjoy UC's blog......he allows a free exchange of views and creates an atmosphere for a lively discussion.  So arm yourself with some facts and join in!

It is nice to see Obama's talking points Dave

Stix.......if McCain wants to use Freddy Mac as a talking point, perhaps he better talk with Rick Davis in depth before he goes on the Sunday morning talk shows.
The point of the matter at hand stix........is John McCain's "experience" is front and center........part of this financial mess we are in.  I've known this for years.

He better,  the Democrats have their finger prints all over the mess.   Bush tried 18 times this year to fix it and the Dems blocked it every time.  Going back to 2003 Bush has been trying to fix it,  but Obama's advisers were at Franny and Fred and giving money to Pbama and the Dems, so it got blocked back then also.  

And you keep on bringing up Davis that did not do anything for Freddie and Fran, the MSM can say it til they are blue in the face, but they did not do the homework.

I'm in the wrong place then.

I'm tired of hearing the dems slam the republicans for issues they have only their party to blame.  The media will elect the 2008 president!  It's a sad shame to see where this country is going. 

Those who support the dem party will follow in fear in time.  Joe's job will soon be replaced by Hillary.  Don't think it will be because of a health issue for poor ole Joe!  It was planned from the beginning.  Poor ole Nancy's job will soon be replaced by Michelle.  Not necessarily a bad move but will just replace one bad apple with another. 

Bye Bye Nancy,...Bye Bye Joe!  

Someone who stated that he would not comment on his economic policy because he didn't want to send Wall Street into turmoil.  Does that someone just want to save the turmoil for later?  Be afraid ~ Be very very afraid.

This is my opinion while I am still able to have one. 
.

Marty, 
don't worry- just keep tin foil hat on and be certain to put saran wrap on your windows so the voices can't get you... wear two pair of sox ...oh, and keep lots of honey around... it's the one food that won't spoil...and what ever you do, don't go on the computer... they send thought waves through the keyboard you know.

[good grief...where do these people come from!]

toe ~ FU

I dont care to talk with idoits.

The grass isnt greener on the other side HB.    
 
Looking fo a blog that libs are not allowed. 

Don't let em get you down Marty, they are on somebody's payroll. They have to do that.

The part I find the funniest as I read their comments is their inability to defend their candidate. Very seldom do they post facts about BHO's record to quell the questions, they just go into attack mode.

Could it be cause there aren't any facts to post??? Could it be cause he is in no way, shape, form or fashion qualified to even be running???

But please libs, don't lay out any record of anything BHO has done to help lend credibility to these "promises" he makes, just attack Palin and McCain. Everybody knows you all got nothin.

Marty is one smart guy that will be sorely missed!
So, i can be sure of one thing....Marty will not be talking with him self...

David W. Walters- who did you scare away now?

Russell, you are right.  On a blog called Urban Conservative, it's likely that Liberals will be on the offensive and, for the most part, attack..........but then there's so much to attack it's a happy outlet/pastime.  Sorry if we make you mad

totally unrelated.  Is it me, or does McCain look very unwell.

After 10 days of blood letting, McCain was getting rather pale....it was clear his fortunes were fading because of the economic crisis and his role, as well as that of  his advisers (former and current) in creating this mess.

So now he has changed the way this down ward spiral is being talked about, trying to inject himself once more as being an "agent of change"......it may work.  Collective memories of most voters are rather shallow in connecting this man to Phil Gramm and Rick Davis and their role in creating the conditions that have ripened  into this smelly mess.

You are still using the same false talking poionts aren;t you Dave.   Phil Gramm hadnothingto do with this melt down.  Yes you are going to say but but but he sponsored the Bill that got rid ofthatlawfrom the 1930s or 40s  whenever it was.   

No  this all started with your saviour Dhimmi Carter.  It allstarted when the goevenment told banksto loanmoney to people that before would never getaloan becuse it was arisky investment.  And then in 1998 Clinton put this program on steroids and blackmailed banks to give loans to even more risky loan applicants.

Both Bush and McCain tried to fix this rpoblem, but theDemocrats blocked it every time, sincetheir friends were giving them money.

RickmDavis had nothing to do with Fannie and Fred and Phil Gramm's bill had nothing to do with it either.

whether by
coincidence or design, camera angles always profile McCain from the right side - probably to not remind viewers of his cancer history- 
in the past several weeks - McCain's left side- and particularly in the area of his left jaw- looks considerably more prominent.  the last time this occurred that i saw, following what appeared to be a growing swelling on the left side... not long after this became noticeable to the point that it was impossible not to notice, McCain sported a bandaged area covering the region.

why mention this?  McCain has had multiple skin cancer incidents - 4 or 5 according to medical records... with the job  application of the president under consideration, it demands full disclosure-  it places his selection of Palin for the second spot under major scrutiny regarding her experience, judgment, and knowledge of both foreign and domestic affairs...even with her limited and staged "exposure" to the press, thus far, Palin  has shown herself to be utterly inept - even Laura Bush has noted her inexperience. 
 http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/03/09/us/09mccain_CA1_ready.html
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And the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000
was not a mechanism that allowed the Enron Crisis to erupt? (Phil Gramm)
The repeal of The Glass-Steagall Act by the
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act DIDN'T create the mechanism which allowed the banking&investment  institutions of this country to issue bad loans?(Phil Gramm again!)

Keep repeating this to your self while reading more Ann Coulter Stix!
" Phil Gramm hadnothingto do with this melt down."

".........Both Bush and McCain tried to fix this problem,......."
Yeah, like pouring oatmeal into your crankcase will solve the blown head gasket problem.....
You have to attack the problem, Stix, not the symptoms, my friend.

Yes you need to attack the problem.  And that was the ridiculous actthat Carter introduced that made getting a loan for a house easierthan before.  Adn then Clinton made it even easier.   All you hadto do was sign an affidavit andyou get your money.   You did not even ned toproveyou had a job.

I never even read Coulter. 

Stix;
Just making up stuff doesn't make it factual.....

Toe......I can see events turn to place that silly air-head(Palin)
in the Oval Office.  I am sure McCain will have the Cabinet filled with the very same people who have brought us all the economic and international misery that afflicts this once great nation.  Call in the crows to pick our bones.

"stix"-
Reading your posts here would be a source of amusement were we not at such a critical moment in our nation's history.
You are  blind to the facts before you, man.  Your insistence to hold fast to your ideology has precluded your ability to seek out the truth- wherever it may lead. 
Go read something other than conservative blogs that reinforce your thinking. 
Read the congressional record.
Read the entire text of what individuals have said. 
Read TIME magazine, Newsweek, or any number of National Newspapers.
Read what Alaskans have said about the items Palin has said compared to the truth.  
Ask yourself "WHY?"  -
Why are the McCain people shielding Palin from the press?
Why are they keeping her on a short leash?
Why the latest stunt by McCain "suspending" his campaign is seen as nothing but a political move after seeing his numbers like lead in a lake?
When are you people going to understand that this in not some sort of game? 
Look beyond the headlines-

49.....
Who did i scare away?  Moi?  Maybe the guy(Marty)in 39 that said:
"Why is it that the liberals cant stay off this site and let the intelligent people speak to one another?"
I guess i'm not intelligent enough.......i mean, i try to read Ann Coulter, and Chuck Norris.  I guess it was all those bad landings from my 82nd days that led to all this brain trauma.........Harrysmom.

Whos playing INTELLECTUAL ELITIST now?  We stupid liberals just come 'round here to get us some edumacation!  

Anyone see Sarah Palin's interview with Couric?  Man now she's a rocket scientist.  "let me get back'tooya on that one........."  lol

Lawmakers in congress who, after working night and day on the wording and changes necessary in the proposal dealing with the financial crisis for nearly a solid week have reached agreement... and  here comes the grand-stander McCain -looking to take credit for getting things done.  McCain- as of late tuesday had not even read the initial proposal and had absolutely no hand or opinions or ability to write the wording since he is part of no committee charged with this effort-
There is absolutely no doubt that McCain does not put country first- It's clear that it's all about McCain- and his floundering campaign- it's also clear that it's an insult to the American people-
McCain is inept and proves it every single day.  He's in way over his head.

and...instead of keeping his word to appear on Letterman,  McCain called Letterman to say he had to rush to Washington immediately to be involved in the financial talks... but,  somehow found the time to stop by for make-up and a taping with Katie Couric just down the hall... of course, the CBS  evening news has a larger older audience that would be asleep by the time Letterman comes on... hmmmm coincidence?  
not bloody likely... McCain is all about McCain first.  Nothing else.
I rather hope that he does not show up for the debates- Obama will be there and has promised the largest and most viewed town hall meeting ever!  McCain can sit home and watch.  Nobody cares.

Somebody help me here. Obviously I have this whole thing wrong. I was under the impression that they were both Senators and this type of thing was their JOB. Apparently Sen. McCain still feels enough obligation to the American people to try and do his job. Sen. Obama (Teleprompter man duh tuh duh!!!!) doesn't. This is no doubt because he has no idea what being a Senator entails and thus didn't realize that he should have tried. At the very least, he could have been his old self and just hit the present button. Nobody is expecting him to write any legislation (as he never has) or make any decisions (thank goodness).

Maybe McCain couldn't have helped, (even though he was asked to attend). Maybe they didn't need his years of experience and knowledge of processes. But at least he realized his obligation and tried. Much more than anyone can say for Teleprompter Man.

As for the Letterman, I can't speak for everyone else, but I couldn't give a ratt's hairy butt about that guy or his goofy show. I for one am proud to see McCain choose his JOB, obligations and the American people over David Letterman.

Russell,
 He was not "asked to attend"... Obama made the initial statements regarding the original Paulsen proposal- not McCain.  McCain had not even read it.
Obama was in contact with Congressional leaders and banking/finance chairs daily-as well as with Paulsen.
 Dodd- in charge of the committee - said- flat out- that McCain had made no attempt to become involved whatsoever.
Harry Reid said (in response to a question posed to McCain the day before- asking McCain how he would vote if his vote would decide the [financial bail-out] bill.  McCain had no answer. NONE.) Reid said that McCain needed to reach some sort of opinion on where he stood.
AFTER McCain decided to grandstand and "suspend his campaign" to draw attention to himself- and furthermore stated that he would not participate in the debates until this was settled...  was actually already speaking without updated information-  and many points of resolution had already been addressed and approved.  Bush offered a photo-op and called McCain and Obama to the White House along with those working on the bill.
McCain has done absolutely squat...zip...zilch... nothing with regards to revisions, input, or suggestions for the bill that will go before congress .
Obama had itemized 5 items that he was concerned that would be addressed in the bill.  
Later...LATER that same day, McCain repeated those items that Obama named.  He had no ideas of his own.  Period.
McCain and Obama are not on the committees that handle this.
yes- congress will vote on it once in it's final form.  they are not at this point yet...but it's getting there. 
If you are so utterly unable to follow the doings,  Russell- try not to make comments that show you are way behind on the facts.

Russell-  try not to keep repeating what are known falsehoods- it only makes you less believable that you already are.  Obama has written a number of bills - sponsored and co-sponsored.  These have been mentioned on this site.  If you want to go check for yourself- these are a matter of public record- the sponsor- the co-sponsors- and the status.

"voting present" is something you, again- lack knowledge and need to look up what this means and how it's used.  again,  I have covered this on this site- but this is a matter of public record as well - a tactic available to those in the Illinois state legislature to voice disagreement with parts of the bill in question-   go look it up-

Ignorance of the issues does not allow you freedom to make stuff up, russell.  It just doesn't.
j

Quoting Dodd and Harry Reid??? What did you think they were gonna say?? They are in bed with Teleprompter Man. Great sources, keep that up.

Bottom line, Teleprompter Man is readying himself for the media frenzy (no doubt working on his hair and having his ears waxed), and McCain is front and center. Say it ain't so.........

And you are wrong, not even Teleprompter Man (duh tuh duh!!!!!) can vote present over the phone. I know he is gonna fix the world and heal all that ails us, but even he is gonna have to be there to get it done.

I am reading all the criticisms of McCain and Palin, and as for McCain 'stopping his campaign', I cannot say whether it truly was a political stunt or not, but it sure did seem like one......especially at a time when McCains numbers were dropping.  Sorry fellow conservatives, I'm just being honest and objective, it really bothers me, and so does the 'clean' campaing McCain has been running with all the falsities. 

As for you libbies, it's easy to criticize McCain.....he's out taking some big risks. They may not be good ones, but he's taking risks. Obama? God forbid he risks anything, he wouldn't want to hurt his presidential hopes or get his poor little ego stepped on. To echo toe's comment about McCain, it's about himself first. Obama wouldnt risk anything for this country....he never has and never will.

And while any idiot can criticize McCain for the moves he's making, or make fun of his being pale, or his skin cancer or whatever, but Obama hasnt done a damn thing that anyone can criticize. Not a single damned thing. The only thing you liberals are talking about is McCain, Mccain, McCain.

Why arent you talking about all the great presidential things and risk that Obama has done? I haven't seen anything posted this week about what Obama and BIden are doing. 

I guess you cant say anything good or bad about someone who is just 'present'.  The dead silence about Obama/Biden is deafening. 

And while Palin is filling her lack of foreign policy experience by kissing up to the UN, Obama is learning what to say for the debate so he too can appear experience in foreign policy. 

And McCain is chicken? Good one. McCain's got a lot of other issues that are worthy of being criticized, but chicken is not one of them. He's got more balls than Obama, Biden, and Hillary combined. What is one thing that takes balls that Obama has done? 

To be fair agagin, toe raised a good question, why are they hiding Palin?  I agree.......I'd like to know why she thinks she should be VP and why she thinks she can run the country during these economic and geopolitically unstable times. Her deafening silence gives the appearance that she is sorely lacking, and that concerns me and it should concern every conservative and liberal. She should be out in full force facing the press, doing interviews, and showing off her presidential skills.

But at the same time, dont you liberals have any concern for your own candidates? Or are you too blinded by the second coming of the messiah? 
And doesnt it also bother you why Biden is not in the spotlight? I mean Biden is a man with more experience than McCain, Obama, and Palin combined and he should be everywhere getting coverage.  

But everyone is silent about Joe Biden.

What is he doing that is better than Palin or McCain? Oh yeah, he's being the honest guy that he is.....that Obama should have picked Hillary, not him; that Obama shouldn't have made fun of McCain's war injury which hindered his typing; and that this is the worst crisis since the great depression when FDR (not Hoover) got on TV to talk to the American people 10 years before TV's were introduced. Good one Joe......we love ya! 

You want to 'vet' McCain and Palin and expect us conservatives to 'not be blinded and to see the truth'. Yet you cannot follow your own advice for your own candidates? 

toe criticized McCain for not being able to handle a crisis of any type. 

But toe also conveniently left out the 'truth' about Obama and all the crisises he has handled. C'mon toe, what are great things Obama is doing and all his foreign policy and economic experience? What crisises has he handled that McCain hasnt? How has he stepped forward to show us his presidential leadership skills by taking the lead on the current economic crisis? What political risks is Obama willing to take during this (as toe put it) 'critical time in history' ?

Not a damned thing because Obama hasnt got a clue and is just as dumbfounded as McCain. The only thing left they can do is criticize the other candidate. Neither knows what the hell he is talking about, much less what is even going on. 

Not very presidential of all these candidates, is it?

The day Obama chose Biden he sealed his fate. Daytona Beach, being a demoKrat city has the associated infection of corruption, incompetence, poverty and crime.
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There is a God. I know I'm not alone, but is anyone else happy the 700 billion dollar deal didn't get done. Capping CEO's now congress feels it can limit salary on private company CEO's. Giving help to foreclosed home owners, who should have gotten home loans to begin with, that's what got us into this mess.  No throwing out of Obama , Dodd and a host of other dems that got rich on Fannie and Freddie. These people shouldn't be heading hearings but watching their ass in the prison showers when they drop their soap, but then again Barney Frank would like that. Its not our responsiblity to bail out private companies, if they fail, they fail. That alone will teach them to operate properly. It will also teach politicians to stop taking money, this is where McCain and Bush drive me nuts and are not true conservatives, Bush with his cover his ass and spending, and McCain with his democratic kiss ass approach, didn't he learn anything during Bush's attempt when he first entered office, that to be bipartician with a dem means to bend to their brand of politics and beliefs.

I have been buying new cars for over 40 years and every car I bought depreciated  10 to 20% as soon as I drove it off the lot, but I made my payments on time and paid the cars off. I never asked the government for help or for a bail-out. Now I see all these people who bought houses that are worth less than what they paid for. Is the realtor any different than the car salesman? Why should the government bail out those who made poor financial decisions. Let the economy correct itself. It will in time. It's an election year and the media likes to promote doom and gloom so their pick will win and then when that happens the media states everything is going great, ie Bill Clinton. I've seen this all my life and I say a vote against the $700 billion loan is a good thing as the average guy will be the loser.

All this supposed bipartisanship is reminiscent of 2002-2003. Everyone was afraid of terrorists, and most republican and democrat congressmen and senators jumped on the Iraq War bandwagon, supporting Bush. 

Just like the Iraq War, both parties are at Bush's heels trumping up this 'crisis' so that they can solve this problem just like they did when they authorized the war, and they're all looking to be the big heroes after big popularity rating. After the $700,000,000,000 is approved, if it works, everyone will be claiming they solved the crisis.    

However, 

if it doesnt work and the economy is still bad, and McCain is in office, after all of todays news about the crisis is forgotten, one party can turn their backs on their decision and say they never approved it, that they were lied to and misled, and they can claim to McCain "Look how badly you are mismanaging the economy and look how much debt you've run up under your presidency, you just gave us 4 more years of Bush."

Or,
if Obama is elected and it doesnt work, they can go the other direction and say they were lied to and misled by Bush and McCain, and look how much debt Bush ran up before he left office, leaving the economy in such poor condition for the new president.  

A word about the McCain ad.

I really don't believe they considered his disability when putting that ad up.  I don't think they were poking fun at his injuries, for God's sake.  That would be crazy.  I do believe they were just trying to stress that he's out of touch, which he is.

And, by the way, if he really wanted to use the internet, he could do so all on his own.  I've worked with severely disabled and there are many who disabilities prevent them from moving anything but there head, and they're using the internet.  He just needs an ergonomic setup is all.

Having said that, I don't think it's necessary for him to punch the keys or use a mouse in order to 'use' the internet.  He could certainly have people do that for him and stay 'in touch.'  I just don't think he does.

And, regarding the economic crisis.  If McCain is elected and it's still bad, he SHOULD take the rap.  He was willing to play the 'savior' of the economy when it suited him politically.  He should be willing to take the rap if what the 'savior' did didn't work.  We all know he contributed nothing to the discussions, having missed the first three hearings and then swooping in to talk for a couple of minutes at a meeting during which nothing got done.  We all know he, inentionally or not, injected the campaign into it.  So, you made the bed...

Ameriken.......
has a point.
The problem is "The Fed"
Both Parties support this monster............
" if Obama is elected and it doesnt work, they can go the other direction and say they were lied to and misled by Bush and McCain, and look how much debt Bush ran up before he left office, leaving the economy in such poor condition for the new president. "

WTF?