Completely despicable. Indicative of our country today. Mention God and teachers get fired but we can put on plays and sing about "Obama and change". I wonder to myself if any of them know what kind of "change" he is bringing. I don't mind saying it, where I come from we call it SOCIALISM and funny thing, it doesn't work. Funny saying; if it waddles, has webbed feet and quacks it is probably a duck, no matter how many times it tells you it's a chicken. So call it change all you want, it's still socialism. Let me put it in language liberals can understand. Obama change = socialism. socialism = bad bad thing.

UC- I had the impression that you were reasonable.  However, it's clear that when the going gets tough, the Republicans revert to cultural warfare- in this case, veiled racism.  Good luck with that UC.  You are looking desperate.

Next Sunday they can sing this (to the theme of 'Jesus Loves Me')

Obama loves me, this I know,
For the democrats tell me so. 
Liberals to him belong,
Their minds are weak but he is strong.

Yes, Obama loves me
Yes, Obama loves me
Yes, Obama loves me
The democrats tell me so.

harrysmom - how is this racism?

I have been called a lot of things, but never desperate. Ouch, my ego.  

@michelle velasquez.......when an intelligent answer cannot be given to someones concern, democrats resort to cultural warfare and the race card. The issue presented has nothing to do with race. It has to do with indocrination to one political belief rather than teaching independent thinking. Do you think they want children to be independent thinkers?

No way!

This racism crap has to end, yet democrats continually want to make race an issue, even when it doesn't exists. They do it within their own party like they did to the Clintons. Democrats want race to be an issue so they can maintain control of minorities. If they can convince minorities to hate republicans, they use cultural warfare.
If Obama supporters are making race an issue amongst themselves, what makes anyone think they wont do it against republicans? Its an effective tactic......if they can make minorities afraid of their opponent, they can win elections. It's a very effective use of cultural warfare, right harrysmom? You cant intelligently answer the concern posted here, so you resort to cultural warfare.
Dont Democrats want to teach young people to be free and independent thinkers? Or do they want to get them while they are young to agree with a political ideology.

Do Democrats really help minorities? If they were so successful, then why is there still such a vast amount of poverty after decades of democrat control? 

Where are the true racists? In the Democratic Party. It's the Republican party that fought agasint slavery in the Civil War.

The KKK was an arm of the Democratic Party.

What party first got minorities get into political power? It was Republicans. Obama is a first for Democrats......it's about time you caught up to the 21st century.  Did Democrats celebrate when Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice were the first African Americans to high ranking positions of political power? A resounding NO. In fact, the democratic party responded with racist comments such as calling them 'house n----' and 'uncle tom' and 'aunt jemima'. How about Michael Steele being called 'Sambo' with that horrible caricature?

Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, and many others are repeatedly smeared with racial comments that come from where?

From the democratic party. Yes, the democratic party is the party that uses racial slurs.

What about Senator Robert Byrd? Known KKK member whom democrat voters kept in office for 49 years, despite the fact that he filibustered the Civil RIghts Act of 1964 ?

And Martin Luther King himself.....what party did he belong to? Republican. 

What about Joe Bidens 'articulate' comment about Obama?

Then, look at Obama himself with the racial scare tactics 'they're going to make you afraid'.  Yet, you dont hear those comments actually coming out of the republican party, do you? And you wont. The only time you'll hear racial comments are when Democrats bring them up.

As for this thread.......you notice that harrysmom didnt answer the intial concern of 'indocrtination', but rather avoided the issue and answered by using cultural warfare to make this 'racial'. 

I would suggest that harrysmom and any other democrat who wants to bring up the race issue, first purge the racism from your own party and stop being so closed minded. 

Look up the history of racism in the democratic party and see for yourselves the racist history of democrats.

http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=401

Now, someone answer the question about the videos.......is it ok to use indoctrination like this to get children to believe in one political person,  or should children be taught to think for themselves and make up their own minds? Should those teachers teach the children to sing positive songs supportive about McCain too?

I'd love to hear an intelligent answer, rather than using this race bullshit again.

If these children were singing praises of McCain, there would be a HUGE outcry on the front page of EVERY newspaper and EVERY mainstream media broadcast!  Seriously!  Be honest!

@ Julie Brown.....let's not forget the ACLU filing suit against those teachers.

I have heard a lot about this video, and I think that the one thing that the Liberals, and Obama ass kissers are missing is that it is blantent brain washing. I think that it is great that these youths are finding insperation to do great things. But it is forced insperation. Look it would not be acceptable if it was the other way around, and I think that most people would find it wired and strang if they did this to the tune of God.

Look insperation is a great thing, and how you find it is a personnel journey. We all have th right to choose how we find our insperation to get up in the morning and be the person that we are. For some it is the upbringing that we have, or a mentor along the way. For others it is the Bible.

There would have been nothing wrong with this video if it would have started off, that so and so inspired me to ...

But the fact is that it was not, it was a complete Obama the massia has saved my life. A lot of liberals have tried to say that this is no different then praying in school. The fact that they can say that with a straight face is scary. God is not running to be president. The only thing that God is trying to do, and this is if you choose to believe in God, is save your soul. Last time I checked all Chirstians want is the ability to pray in school if they choose, nothing diffrent then musliums want, and Librals support them all day long.

This teacher should be ashamed of himself, he abused his position of power to force his views on these kids.

While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 -- just a month after dumping Carol and securing a divorce. The newlyweds honeymooned in Hawaii. 

McCain followed his young, millionairess wife back to Arizona where her father helped catapult McCain into politics.

Today, Cindy Hensley McCain is chairwoman of Hensley's board of directors. Hensley and Company financial reports show assets worth a minimum of $28 million for the McCains 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

And Bill Clinton got his cock sucked in the Oval office by some two bit intern, yet you liberals hold him up as some sort of savior also. Divorce happens, shit happens, people make bad choices, no one here is saying that McCain would be the perfect President, but at least he would not lead us down a path to all out socialism, and destruction.

What the hell........2 video's are no longer available and a little girl is singing about Obama.
Is this all you have UC?  Wow, you are whipped.

An open letter to John McCain
10/6/08
 
Senator McCain,
In American history, we have had a long tradition of respecting our democratic principles and honoring our commander in chief.  The respect afforded to the processes of leadership we enjoy has been upheld by the dignity of those involved.  The honor extended to our leaders is reflective of the decorum that those chosen to serve have demonstrated. 
 
The effectiveness of any leader is contingent upon the degree to which those they lead are invested in the legitimacy of their position.  In recent elections, you yourself have been the target of the kind of divisive politics that seeks to destroy political careers as a means of garnering votes from a low-information public - at the expense of that very same public.  Your rhetoric during the primary elections this past spring indicated that you understood that dignity and respect were paramount in a political contest as momentous as that for the presidency.  However, your behavior has indicated that your rhetoric is as empty as your heart when it comes to your love of country.  You have rendered yourself ineffective before you have been awarded the position.
 
As Ms. Noonan, former speechwriter Ronald Reagan, declared on “Meet the Press” last night, the kind of campaign that you have chosen to run is not good for our country.  If you are truly interested in putting “Country First,” I ask why you seem bent on putting yourself first and country last?
 
Senator McCain, you are digging yourself into the same hole that George W. Bush dug himself into.  Your divisive and ugly campaign has served to ignite hatred towards you from those who support Senator Obama.  And if your vile and negative tactics are successful in bringing those low-information voters over to your side to vote for you, will you do the same thing to them that your friend, George W. Bush, has done to them?  Will you leave them out to dry and give them rising cost of living increases while failing to provide them with jobs?  Will you allow them to go without health care and decent education funding for their children? 
 
The deepest hole that George W. Bush dug himself into, Senator McCain, was to create such an antipathy that he was never quite able to accomplish many of his goals. Should you win this election, you will be resented by at least half of your constituency and, like George W. Bush, you will find it nearly impossible to accomplish anything.
 
Senator McCain, you have disrespected our democratic process and you have dishonored the position of the commander in chief.  No matter how the election turns out, you cannot win now Senator McCain. You should resign from the race.  You can say it is for medical reasons; the country would understand.  Do it for your country.  

Pass this on to your conservative friends who have lost touch with the reality of their vote!

Nov4Surprise.com

Whether something is "indoctrination" or not depends on whether or not you agree with the material being "indoctrinated"; in the affirmative scenario, it's called "education."

One could call bible camps, the boy scouts, and youth NRA clubs indoctrination . . . but then again, that would be ridiculous

And for the record, most "liberals"  as well as our government (bailout anyone?) like socialism.

And with out some degree of "socialism",
we wouldn't  have highways, and other key features of our infrastructure that allow businesses to prosper and function profitably.
In this sense, Ron Reagan was wrong when he said Government was the problem.

Robert- and you wouldn't believe the who the Republican who wrote that letter was.........  The right is turning on McCain.

And David Walters- don't you know that Reagan is a deity?  How could you say he was wrong?  Sacrilege!

Harrysmom......
(How's Harry?)
Sacrilege?  Me?  The guy who was kicked outta sunday school for questioning the Noah's Ark story?

To bad Ron Reagan, (all swagger, no substance) threw out President Carter's Energy Policy.......
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_energy.html

There'd be fewer huge SUV's but more gas!

This thread is about public school teachers indoctrinating kids in a similar method to Hitler and the nazis, yet the responses from liberals are to talk about Cindy McCain, Reagan, John McCain, and Bush.  
No objections? Is that an endorsement of this kind of behavior?
 

Amerikkken....
oops!(Speech impediment)
The only link that UC provided that works is the 2nd one of The Colburn School of the Performing Arts in Los Angeles.  Is this not a private school?  What is wrong with these kids performing?  Are there not Christian themed  performances at Christian schools?  I don't object to that either.....so what's your beef?

@ David Duke, er Walters, (oops, mistype), I already explained my beef. Thank you for the comparison of kids singing about Obama to kids singing about Jesus.

Brainwashing kids about burnin' in hell and giving kids hope.....
yeah, that's the comparison.  So send your kid to what ever school you want.  Freedom, right?

What is your purpose of responding to my post # 21 by bringing up 'brainwashing their kids about burnin' in hell', and private schools and 'sending their kids to any school they want? What about the statements about 'teaching kids to sing christian themed songs? Not sure what that has to do with me and my statements and for what purpose you bring them up? And how about the little 'kkk' in my name?

That all doesnt answer my concern. 

Ameriken....Just havin' some fun with your name.....y'know, like all  liberals are Un-American, so i guess all conservatives are racist nazies
-just a joke!  My apologies if i offended.
"No objections? Is that an endorsement of this kind of behavior?"
So thanx for bring us back on subject.  But UC's complaint is just so lame.
He states:  "Indoctrination of our youth is wrong and it happens every day in our public school system. "
Yet The Colburn School is a prep school.  And just as indoctrination takes place in Christian schools, it goes on as well at the Colburn school.  Point is, education is a form of indoctrination.

For one, I've never said a word about liberals being unamerican nor do I care for anyone who does. If you have a beef with someone who said that, take it up with them personally. However, considering the atrocities of the kkk, I dont find it funny to joke about racism.

As far as the videos, here are two good comparisons of why some people, not all, but some dont like the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/10/parties_and_can.html

If you find that to be ok, maybe you'll find this to be ok. I find them all to be equally disturbing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PUQATCcQ0A&feature=related

David, I just blew it and tried sending some links and got flagged for spamming....duh. Hopefully UC will clear it.

However if you do a little youtube search you can find the comparisons of kids singing for Obama to kids singing for Hitler and Lenin. Also, you can see it from the other side where kids sing for Bush. Just search youtube for 'Jesus Camp' and you can see it from a different political perspective, which is equally perverse. 

youtube [dotcom]/watch?v=dD2Hyiitpys
youtube [dotcom]/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

Ameriken....
i saw the video.........every day the Hitler Kids would sing Hitler's praises(my mom was Hitler Jugen......she's now a staunch republican, go figure)
The Colburn School girl was singing in what appears to be a campaign video for Obama, i doubt it is a daily routine at the Colburn school.
So a prep school produces a video....so what?
If public school children were made to sing such songs for Obama daily, as was done in Nazi Germany.....yes, it would be perverse......but from what UC has shown me, this is not the case.

haha, hey David. Is this you at the Palin rally, protesting?

No UC.....you know i've already done my freedom protecting, but lets give thanx to Trax, Max....whatever his name.
No UC, i was spending my time today at my local VA hospital.
Have you been to one lately, and notice how crowded they are? 
Perhaps it is some of the underfunding that John McCain and many other Republicans have done to our VA facilities.....they talk about supporting our troops, yet when it comes time to put their money where their mouths are....well it's a different story.  The title of that story would be
"HYPOCRISY"
But if we elect Trax's mom and her old friend, that protester will probably not have that right (to protest).

David Walters- #20.
.......we would have less SUV's..........
and an ozone layer.  

Harry is fine.  Gay as a $2 bill.  :)

Regarding that exchange with the guy in the audience and Palin..........  

True story- in 2000, when the courts in Florida were going back and forth about hanging chads and recounts, me, my two children, and about 500 other citizens marched on the capital demanding that all votes be counted.  
Ironically, the same day was the groundbreaking ceremony for the WWII memorial (Tom Hanks and about 100 WWII vets and families were there).  As my children and I were walking along, an older man in an army sargent cap walked by and yelled at my children "I fought for your right to protest!  Now go home!"

I wrote him off as an old curmudgeon who was feeling his old oats and decided to display his feathers (to children?).  However, when my kids asked me to explain what exactly he meant, I couldn't.  I mean, did he mean that since he fought in a war that he was the only one allowed to protest or have free speech?  Did he mean that WWII was a response to our first amendment rights being threatened (which it wasn't)?  I had no explanation.

Now with Sarah Palin, her comment was, well, ignorant.  In the same way that the old soldier's comment was ignorant, but more so.  I don't recall any Iraqis coming over and invading us saying "we are going to take away your right to free speech."  

Again, the fact that that woman has the hubris to believe that she is qualified to be the vice president categorically disqualifies her from the position itself.  

Out.

I'm frankly astonished there are conservatives willing to rail against indoctrination of children, given you folks' aggressive opposition to all liberal attempts to end religious indoctrination.  American Conservatives have fought for decades to keep preaching, prayer and bible study mandatory parts of the American public education - are you trying to say that doesn't constitute indoctrination?  When I watch footage of Bible camps where children pray to cardboard cutouts of George W. Bush, while the ecstatic adult moderator speaks in tongues, am I seriously supposed to believe that these children haven't been indoctrinated?  One Nation Under God - I seem to recall that's from the Pledge of Allegiance as well.  What do you say we get rid of it?  Level the playing field a bit?

What about a related subject - the cult of patriotism?  Who is it that teaches their children to hate and vilify whichever Presidential candidate says the Pledge less, or whichever is more reluctant to wear a flag pin?  Who decided a good American citizen's day must be filled with the rituals of patriotism, lest they waver in their unswerving devotion to The Stars And Stripes?

You're absolutely right, however - Barack Obama is nothing at all like Jesus Christ, and any attempts to make the comparison are misleading.  For one thing, those who support Obama actually act the way he does.  Christ has only lip servants on the right.

According to the law there are only a few qualifications a person needs to be president and Sarah Palin meets those and she is running for VP.  however, she is definitely not qualified to be VP if you need to be a washington politician and be a part of the good ole boy's network.  i happen to like that she is an outsider and will bring new ideas into the office and is not afraid to stand up for what she believes in.  sure she has made mistakes in front of the camera and i'm glad i saw that because it reinforces my belief that everyone is not perfect and she is human.  i've also seen that the knowledge and ability is there.  i don't want her to be a robot and have seen her grow.  joe biden could use a lesson or two about a lot of things.  after all the years he has been in the senate, he screws up all of the time.  i think he is an idiot and a perfect example of the good ole boy politics that have corrupted this nation.  he and obama need lessons in humility.  however, i could name people on both sides that have issues.  my profession is very male dominated and the few women that have made it have had to fight 100 % harder than any man has ever had to on my same level.  politics is a lot worse.  any woman than has an 80%+ approval rating as governor and has fought corruption within her own party deserves respect.  how many people in washington do that?  she is one tough fighter and we don't need the good ole boy network any longer.  i've known so many stupid people educated in the finest schools the U.S. has to offer.  look at the mess washington is in and blame both parties.  at this point, i could not honestly say i would want most of them that have experience in any role in washington.  that kind of experience, i.e., wasting our hard-earned money, etc., does not mean they have what it takes to be effective leaders. 

Wait, isn't this the same type of brainwashing that conservatives do with that "Jesus Camp"?  That is just as scary.  By the way, both Sarah and Biden looked like a couple of Dunce Caps with their recent problems with math and geography.

Another question:  Why do conservative call Obama Barack "Hussein" Obama?  I listen to Mark Levin (nutcase liberal destroyer) and Rush and they sound like they have a crush on him.

John McCain was a POW and great guy once.  But since the lobbyists and special interest groups bought him out, his has turned into and existential flip-flopping Robozoid.  Obama is more intelligent than Bush and makes too many "promises".  They are both going to have controversies with the aspect of "lying", no matter who wins.

I am voting for neither.

Hey Titus,

Do you trust John McCain?  Are you voting for him?  I actually think outsourcing is part of the job problem here in America, in addition to too much taxing.

Oh and religion isn't too much a part of the economic problem, but it is a BIG part of social politics.  I think Muslim and Christian indoctrination are both wrong and can lead to nothing but trouble.

I still can't figure out how John won the nomination in the primaries.  Social conservatives do not like him, well they used to, until Barack came along.

I remember Ann Coulter saying that she would lobby for HILLARY CLINTON before McCain, deeming her more conservative!!!  The right wingers aren't getting their Ronald Reagan withdrawl fix in this election.  It looks like Obama is going to pull it off, and I will be just as scared if McCain does.

None of them are going to change anything about this country. Period.

my blog from last night did not go through.  I would rather have voted for Romney but....  He is successful at running a business and that is what we need.  I disagree that neither candidate will change things.  Obama will definitely change things.  We will continue to lose jobs but at a faster pace.  If Obama was President right now, he would raise taxes on GM.  They have announced two layoffs in two days.  during a time of laying off folks or any other time for that matter,  how is Obama's tax plan going to create jobs?  companies need to also be able to compete overseas and we have one of the highest corp tax rates in the world.  what does that say about job creation.  Obama wants to raise capital gains taxes.  that is stupid!  WE NEED PEOPLE TO INVEST!  Small businesses typically don't have the money to invest in the markets.  We need our 401k plans to not lose money!  with Obama's economic plans, we don' have a chance. you can't piss of big companies.  i didn't even mention that companies will pass the higher taxes to consumers and prices for everything we buy will go up further.  so you don't have to vote and like McCain, and i can say that there are a few things i don't care for but the major issues we face now are important and he has a better plan! 

Nobama please.

You people have waaaayyyy too much time on your hands.
It's a bunch of kids singing a damn song for goodness
sake.  Get over it.

It amazes me that anyone could try to dismiss the fact that responders above have equated the indoctrination of children with the concept of a God with
the indoctrination of children with the concept of Obama.  The problem with liberals is that they cannot realistically replace their cultural targets of destruction with anything better for society.  Equating Obama with God glaringly reveals their shortfall in strategy and judgement.  Since God has not made life fair, liberlas (Obama) will make life fair for everyone...EVERYONE!...EVERYDAY!...Being alive has taught the liberal nothing of life....Talk about sad....I am not religious, but equating a mortal to a diety has been tried many times....China...USSR...North Korea...All great bastions of hope and fairness.

Tankerton writes:
"..........The problem with liberals is that they cannot realistically replace their cultural targets of destruction with anything better for society."

speaking as a Liberal and recovering christian,and 
-Not that i aim for a perfect society, but i couldn't resist asking why it bad to suggest a change to our imperfect society that aims for justice and fairness?  Jesus was a man who believed in these same ideals, and his 1st church is described as such:
"All the Believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need."
-Acts 2:44-45
This liberal has indeed learned a lot from life.  I have witnessed the true destruction that war brings and the large profits from the same.  I have seen hard work go unrewarded systematically, while the efforts of these same people have profited a few......
Change can be a good thing, and the way we've been doing
business these past 28 years isn't working for the majority in this nation.

David,
I know your comments are heart-felt...which is why I am so woefully concerned for the U.S. in the immediate future.  So many of our youths have been taught by liberal teachers and professors that we are the bad guys...that our system of free-market is ultimately to blame for all of the world's problems.  We are the free-est and most giving nation on the planet.  Our ability to be these things have been won and sustained throughout our short history through armed conflict at an immense cost of life and limb.  We have been a nation historically founded with a belief in God,  but  governed  by mortals.  As we "progress" towards a nation governed by mortal dieties, the concept of truth will suffer the gravest defeat.  As the media finds more and more reasons to lie about the mortal diety they support, they will do so in blind "hope" that their "diety" can make life fair to everyone.  Of course, no such outcome is possible in reality, but it has always been an easy sell to self-described victims of life's  perceived inequities.  Gods survive on faith.  Mortal dieties can only survive on lies.

you people label Obama "the messiah"  and call the majority of the country (according to most recent polls) his "followers"... the only people that critique Obama using religious terms such as these are YOU.

don't you see how silly you look, "tank"??!

of course 2/3 of the nation's newspapers are wrong.
general powell is wrong.
all of Obama's endorsements are wrong.
only 12 people in the United States are able to "see through" this - and they all stop by here once a day. 
wow.

Tankerton, I know that what you write here is what you really believe, but has it ever dawned on you that the free market ideology might be outdated and this is why 'youngsters' are letting it go?  I mean, most of the world does not prescribe to the laissez-fairre philosophy any more.  So maybe it's time that we move forward as well. 

In stead of demonizing progressive ideas, maybe we should open up and give them some consideration.  For those of us who are retired, I would think that we should defer to the younger generation to decide how they would prefer their own futures be run- not how we expected them to be run.  It's time for us to pass the torch Tankerton.  I'm going with Obama and so should you.  The man offers them hope, not negativity.  It think its a far greater legacy to leave our children.

I am 54 and still self-employed trying to scratch out a living.  I will never retire according to my math.  My life is not perfect.  No one can make it such.  And I have never expected perfection.  You play the cards you're dealt.  You don't reshuffle 'till everyone holds four aces.  But it is still my life...and I will cherish the ability get to make choices regarding same for as long as I live.  I don't want to change your opinions.  I just want you to realize that you are all working feverishly to eliminate your (our) right to express those opinions....and yet you don't see it.  Wow indeed! And Toe, I don't have to label Obama the Messiah and call you one his "followers".  Remember, just look at the pathetic video herein...no labeling necessary.

And Tank.....give the kids some credit:
"...................So many of our youths have been taught by liberal teachers and professors that we are the bad guys...that our system of free-market is ultimately to blame for all of the world's problems. "

it's kinda clear that the good ol USA has a habit of getting into wars that have nothing to do with freedom, and everything to do with enriching the military-industrial complex......................The most recent war costs us $10 Billion/month and is directly responsible for the debt this country has and will pass on to the next generations.   Kids are smart enough to see for themselves without a liberal teacher that the way this nation has been going for the last 30 years is the wrong  path.
We have been brain-washed for the past 30 years that the solution to all our economic woes is to allow an unfettered free market.....and all our problems would be solved. 
I am also 54 years old.....i am retired on disability and glad that none of my payments are tied to the stock market, or i'd be going broke.  There are many people not as lucky as i am, who put their money and trust into the stock market to provide for their retirement.  Glad i ain't one of them!

My recently acquired "re-furbished" Dell just locked up moments before I was able to send my ridiculously eloquent (sarcasm) response to you David.  I wish I had the memory and time to rewrite, but I do not....my apologies...so suffice it to say that I got out of the market at 11,019.  Following horrible policy-making through the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 and further forcing money be lent to those unable to pay back by strengthening that legislature in 1999, we all (those inhabiting earth) now pay the price for "fairly" passing the American Dream on to all Americans so that now it has become the American Nightmare....Liberal thinking gone awry once again.....And now, we are backing the government's attempt at keeping the poor souls in their homes by renegotiating their loans for them....by lending them my money!!!!
Stock market?  No thanks! 

Tankerton,
What is wrong with keeping 'poor souls' in their homes?  If you have children and roots, staying in your home would be the best thing the government can do for you.  I will never, ever ever, understand this fear of government that some Americans have.  We are a society- not a business, not a frontier, not a conglomerate of free thinking individuals with an eye for caring for our neighbor independently- now that's ideological.  No, we are a society that requires governance.  Thank God we are still free enough to choose that governance.  There is no place in the world that's better to live in-but the fissures of governmental fear threatens to destroy us.

The problem with keeping these poor souls in these homes is that they can not afford them. Why should some one who can not afford it be able to keep it. There are a lot of things that I would love to have in this world but I will not get it unless I work for it, everything I have I have worked for, so why should someone else just have it handed to them.

It's all the fault of "those people",huh? 
We cannot blame those poor bankers who were forced against their better judgment to make bad loans......the Nazis had their scapegoat and the republicans have theirs.

David, you have defined our differences perfectly with your last comment.
For the most part, when things go wrong, conservatives look in a mirror for the blame, and libs  through a looking glass.

Sorry for not responding Harrysmom....but ditto response #50 above by the astute JarrodM.  I can't say it better.  But I would add another analogy.  In Little League Baseball,  some parents can cope with the fact that their child is a part of a team .  They understand that some players play the game better than others.  These better players may have been born with this ability, or worked their tails off to reach said plateau of effectiveness.  Either way, some parents understand that Little League replicates the conditions of real life perfectly for their son and daughter, and thus they expose said children to the Little League experience in order to help them taste reality and learn as soon as possible how to deal with the joys and disappointments of life outside the womb.  Other parents demand equal playing time for their less talented children because they say it makes the child feel "badly" to play less innings.  They feel that if their child gets to play more, even if it results in the team's loss, that it is better for all in the long run.  But history has proven an overwhelming majority of the time that a sage parent will allow the child to taste failure so that he/she might be inspired to try harder on behalf of the team...thus raising the child's ability and that of the overall team.  If nothing else, the child may see that the pursuit of other endeavors are more suited to his/her talent and may be the prudent choice.  A liberal will demand equality even if the team loses...even if that child is "stealing" playing time that has been earned by others.   A conservative understands that life truly is a cooperative competition every day...and that each of us, through our efforts, lift ourselves, our team, yes, and even our nation, through our continued efforts to earn our own way through life.

Tankerton asserts:
"............ For the most part, when things go wrong, conservatives look in a mirror for the blame, and libs  through a looking glass."
Wow, my fault for not making it clear......
"those people" refers to the low income people who took out loans for buying homes.....
But i was wondering when conservatives EVER did any self examination to solve any problem ever?
Oh, BTW.....isn't a looking glass a mirror?

David, when I referred to liberals and conservatives above, I am talking about you and I, not nationally recognized political pin-ups for either.  I am talking about everyday stiffs like ourselves....And, I fully understand that those  low income people are the  ones to whom I referred when  I criticized  them and  blamed them for there own misfortune.  Unless someone held a gun to their heads to sign the loan documents, I ain't feeling sorry for them.  Decisions, all decisions, have consequences...good and bad.  I want to continue to keep decision making in the hands of the individual, not the government.  And finally, the looking glass reference was indeed incorrect as you have indicated.  I meant to say "magnifying glass"...Thank You....my bad.

Tank.....
decisions certainly ought to be individual.  But in the case of spinning off bad loans, regulations are certainly important and that's what i am referring to when i spoke of "poor bankers".......
The poor bankers and their lobbyist, certainly have lots of influence that reach down to an individual level.  These lobbyist are the one's who have given us the legislation that has allowed financial institutions to "write" law......and the results are not too pretty, are they?

I agree with your statement above.  Make no mistake, although ultimate blame I believe should be placed on the guy who signs his name to the doc, I
will not argue one iota that corruption has not gone all the way through the corridors of Congress and the White House...where ever lowly lobbyists are allowed to tread.

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