Fed Chair Bernanke: “The Fed is Printing Money”

March 16th, 2009 Jr Accountant

After Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke appeared on 60 Minutes last night, few noted little from his speech besides his insistence that the recession should calm by the end of 2009 and signs of recovery might start popping up like little spring buds beneath the melting snow of a cold hard winter some time in 2010. The man is delusional at best, and the markets reacted by snapping a three-day upward swing (if you call 2 or 3 points “upward”). Sadly, Bernanke’s song and dance on national television resonated across America as a sign that things might be looking up. Hell, if this guy says everything is going to be okay, who are we to question?

Well the answer is simple, and if I’ve got to explain to you what is wrong with last night’s appearance, perhaps you’re not grown up enough to be using the computer without supervision. Turn it off, curl up into a ball, and commence to existing with your head in the sand, k?

In case you missed it, Bernanke’s national TV debut may be found in 3 parts here, here, and here. How cute, Helicopter Ben even cleaned up for his interview. That’s absolutely adorable.

Hidden in the midst of Bernanke’s interview, a little-noticed point on the Fed’s action in the face of economic crisis. While the conservatives continue to rail against the endless bailouts on behalf of helpless taxpayers believing that the Fed and Treasury promises are funded by actual taxpayer cash, Chairman Bernanke spilled the beans last night and said in no uncertain terms that his Fed is in fact funding bailouts using a process “more akin to printing money than it is borrowing.”

Average Joe reading this article, or even the most enlightened of conservatives, may not even think twice about the issue. Who cares? Isn’t it the Fed’s job to print money?

Under normal circumstances, absolutely. But in these conditions, Bernanke’s quantitative easing scheme will be the end of the dollar as we know it. Does he believe that inflation is so low that his agency has the right to crank up the presses to cover the incessant bailout of commercial banking interests at the detriment of our economy? This equates to criminal currency debasement and should absolutely be treated as such.

For our Fed chair to believe he can boldly state on national television just days after a warning from the United States’ largest creditor that we better not use the printing press to stem financial crisis is not only moronic but may send China reeling against our pleas for help in unloading our debt. And if China pushes back on Treasurys, we might as well consider the game over.

You as an American taxpayer have every right to be angry over the bailouts. And you should still believe that taxpayers are some how on the hook for this. But you as an American under the Federal Reserve’s control should be absolutely outraged to hear Bernanke boasting that his Fed is cranking up the press to the tune of some $2 trillion to cover its creative lending programs. AIG has fed at the government teat FOUR TIMES and funneling bailout funds to foreign banks due to its own irresponsible financial products risk management. But $2 trillion on the taxpayers’ behalf means little when the Fed is using the press to pump capital into floundering firms on your dime – the savings you’ve worked your life to put away? Doesn’t matter when the Fed has fully debased the currency. Is 97% of the dollar’s value lost since its inception in 1913 not enough?

The recession will only worsen moving forward if the Fed and Treasury continue to sabotage any hope at recovery by throwing billions more into the sinking ship.

Unemployment will continue to surge.

The Fed will continue to overstep its given powers by Congress and Congress will continue to allow such a fleecing until someone on Capitol Hill stops looking the other way and demands an audit of this private and essentially unregulated agency.

And Ben Bernanke will continue to crank up the press. Here’s to hoping China doesn’t notice or else we’re really in trouble.


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  • Great article, and I would like to link to it.  I think I will, but it has a broken link.  Think you could fix that?  Thanks!

    Lisa Graas
    Why Mommy is a Republican
    http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com
  • Dora
    amusing that this site's host cannot even bring himself to post here-
    don't blame you, "Urban Conservative"- i would not take ownership of your followers either.
  • Idaho Spud
    Well Hayell!  So what's new?  The shipwreck took place in 1913.  The privately owned Fed has been printing money out of thin air (OK, not totally as the paper and barrels of ink do cost something) since then.  They then loan the newly printed money to the U.S., which is another name for taxpayers, and charge interest on that same newly printed money.  The United States Government (the real government, not the Fed) is authorized to print money as well.  The difference is that they don't have to pay interest on it.  The last president who undertook that option was John F. Kennedy.  It seems, as my memory recalls that Kennedy was sent a message that this was unacceptable.  The message was also meant for any successor presidents who might have similar ideas.  The founding fathers (God fearing, christian lunatics defined by our communist left) warned against having a "central bank".  Despite that wisdom of previous times we eventually had leaders who conspired with the mega-rich of industry and banking, and under the cloak of secrecy and darkness (literally) the Fed (central bank) was formed.  Now, 100 years to late, a few are waking up to what has happened and are starting to ask how, why and when.  To get honest answers they may want to consult with JFK.
  • Dora,

    Why are you so bitter? Just curious. Or is it that the whole concept of money is just too complicated for your brain? Maybe you should stick with sites like TMZ, that seems to be more appropriate for your mental capacity.

    Idaho Spud,

    You're 100% correct. But I'm talking about the Fed using the presses to stem the financial bleeding. They've always manipulated money, blaming it on "rising prices" when it is in fact currency debasement. Most of us know that. But what the Fed is doing now will inevitably lead to manic inflation that has never been seen in our lifetimes, at least in America. Zimbabwe comes to mind. Bernanke seems to believe that due to the weakness of the dollar, he's got plenty of wiggle room to spit out more funny money. There is only one way this can end, with Weimar-esque hyperinflation, and maybe when we're shoveling dollar bills into the fireplace to keep warm the American people will finally collectively wake up and realize the Fed had us by the balls the entire time. The point of the article was that we were told in no uncertain terms by China that we better not start printing money or they're not going to keep funding our crack addict-like need to sell our debt. So what does Bernanke do? Goes on national television to say "Don't worry, taxpayers, you're not footing the bill for this. We're just printing money." Frightening.
  • Bernanke is clearly ready for the psych unit. Perhaps some Haldol will slow down his money printing business.

    His idea is insane and criminal to boot. (does he do that too?) By printing money, he is giving more to those who stole from us to begin with. Good thinking, Bernie. How much are you getting on the kickback?

    This administration is doing what Bin Laden promised when he said "We will destroy you from within." I have a question. Who's side is Obama really on.
  • davidwwalters72
    <<But you as an American under the Federal Reserve’s control should be absolutely outraged to hear Bernanke boasting that his Fed is cranking up the press to the tune of some $2 trillion to cover its creative lending programs. AIG has fed at the government teat FOUR TIMES and funneling bailout funds to foreign banks due to its own irresponsible financial products risk management.>>-Jr Accountant

    -D
    ue to its own irresponsible financial products risk management?
    uh, we liberals are kinda dumb 'bout these things.....s'pose you could fill us in on the reason AIG has been able to do all this irresponsible financial products risk management?  There must be a reason?
  • David,

    The reason is that regulation lagged far behind of the problem and the powers that be (Alan Greenspan, namely, who I might note is a Republican - OH! Shock! A member of my own team messing things up?! Say it ain't so!) said that the derivatives market wasn't a problem even though it eventually swelled to larger than our entire national output.

    So the reason(s) are:
    - stupidity
    - ignorance
    - poor regulation
    - moronic leaders
    - the Fed's own subversive agenda
    - greed
    - blatant reckless behavior with financial instruments that these firms did not understand

    Does that answer your question or were you expecting to pick a fight? Bushy Jr is the one who put Bernanke in office. And I don't like him either. So what exactly are you asking?
  • Idaho Spud
    Jr. Accountant: If we are reduced to a Weimar society should we suffer alone?
    In the past, even before our current crisis there was concern of China holding our debt.  Keeping in mind that China, a communist state with capitalist production, enterprise, and growth is at the same time a, if not the, biggest adversary to the U.S., both economically and militarily. What is the consequence of stiffing them with our debt.
    Declaring bankruptcy is what individuals and companies are forced into due to poor management of resources.  Assets are liquidated and distributed to creditors, but a percent of nothing is still nothing. 

    Bernanke may be doing this although not directly, but the end result may be the same.  This is all hypothetical but I'm curious as to a world result. If there was a total meltdown world wide which country would still survive in some form?

    For the one world conspirators is it possible that the secret societies that rule the world, who control the worlds money have finally outsmarted themselves?
  • Idaho Spud,

    I actually have no idea what is going to happen if they all do this in concert. The Bank of England is already happily printing away and they seem to be doing okay - or are they?

    There is no precedent for this behavior by the central banks of the world. So I can't even tell you.

    When the Bank of England announced it would suspend key money supply information and provide statistics less frequently, this sent red flags flying up all over the place. What are they trying to hide? http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/01/bank-... Well we found out. They wanted to print a bunch of money: http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/03/bange...

    I really cannot say. The libertarians believe that no global elite conspirator in his or her right might would ever purposefully implode currencies and/or economies around the world just to make the way for a global currency based out of the IMF.

    I believe what we're seeing is a standoff between us and China. We need them to gobble up the debt and they need us to buy their crap. The G20 will reveal quite a bit about where we go from here.
  • Bernanke fully admits that the Fed Reserve made mistakes in the beginning of the crises.  The entire government admits they made mistakes.  Now we are supposed to just sit back and take their word for it that NOW they know how to fix it?  The problem is that our Government could care less about the People.   The level of transparency, especially at the Fed Reserve is disgusting to say the least.  Our Founding Fathers would be disgusted at the level of growth and arrogance in todays government.  Wouldn't it be nice if everyone held Obama up to the same standards that they held Bush up to?
  • I was going to link but decided I need more information.  Bernanke, the Fed Chairman, says inflation is low enough that we can get away with printing some money short-term.  You say no.  Who to believe?  Are you an economist or do you have some information that can convince me to believe you over Bernanke?  I can't just willy-nilly agree to something because I "want" to believe it.  I need convincing evidence.
  • Lisa,

    Very smart of you. I might steer you to this: http://jsmineset.com/index.php/2008/12/07/the-f... for a better explanation on the consequences of this quantitative easing scheme.

    Here is the problem. The Fed method of "sterilizing" excess money from the money supply involves buying up of Treasurys. But this method will not work when the bond bubble breaks. See Peter Schiff's recent article: http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/sc... - the Fed's quiver is empty and with the interest rate at zero and no takers for Treasurys (this is why the China connection is important - we were implicitly told that they would not buy our debt if we cranked up the presses), it has no weapons against inflation. Bernanke is delusional to believe otherwise. He is an academic, not prepared in the art of monetary war, only in theory. Most geniuses have little common sense after all.

    I am not an economist by degree. I'm in accounting education, but I have followed the great economic minds of both past and present and have more than an amateur's desire to "follow the money" as it were. More than an "armchair economist," less than a PhD.

    Besides, I don't believe they will print for the short term. This crisis is not a short-term problem and they know that. They will panic (or rather they are panicking) and continue to throw funny money at the problem. Without a sterilization method, inflation is the only logical result of such behavior.

    And what happens when China unloads its reserves and the US Dollar is no longer the reserve currency of choice in the world after Bernanke and Co. are finished debasing it?

    Hope that clarifies.
  • Michael
    Bernanke, the Fed Chairman, says inflation is low enough that we can get away with printing some money short-term.
    He is right that we are in a short term deflationary cycle now which was caused by a global collapse that saw a decreased demand for commodities.  The problem is, what happens now that we have committed the money, along with every other country and we see an uptick in the world economies demand on goods.  That makes Bernanke is correct in the "short term" and Jr. Accountant correct in the "long term" and seeing as how people who live here and rely on this economic system every day and for the rest of their lives, I am concerned with both.
  • Lucky for us (or perhaps not), China may have the same issue:

    "China has been stockpiling international reserves at an extremely rapid pace since the late 1990s and has surpassed Japan to become the largest reserve holder in the world. This paper undertakes an empirical investigation to assess the extent of de facto sterilization and capital mobility using monthly data between mid 1999 and late 2005. We find that China has been able to successfully sterilize most of these reserve increases, thus making it a reserve sink such as Germany was under the Bretton Woods system. Recursive estimation of offset coefficients, however, finds evidence of increasing mobile capital flows that may undercut China's ability to continue high levels of sterilization."

    http://www.hkimr.org/cms/upload/publication_app...

    I think we've reached the end of the rope. Hence the panic.
  • I say give them all the money. All of it. They are going to get it anyway.
  • Hey, Jr. Accountant,

    Do you speaka da' English?

    You got them fancy words,
    All a bunch of slimy turds,
    That don't mean a thing,
    Please don't try to sing.

    Has anyone ever told you that you're full of shit?
  • ML Smith,

    I don't think anyone in my circle is that stupid. Could you please elaborate? Or is economics too complicated a subject for you to handle?

    What do you suggest? Printing more money? That's a wonderful idea. See your ass in the bread line.
  • JackieM
    who are the liberals going to blame for the following?

    1.  the inflation in a few years as a result of their economic mess.  obama voted for the TARP and signed the wasteful spending bills so these were not "inherited" problems.
    2.  higher costs for EVERYONE due to their energy policies.
    3.  massive debt that results in EVERYONE paying higher taxes. 
    4.  small businesses closing due to not being able to compete globally and sustain themselves under obama's rule.
    5.  the list could go on and on!  economics 101 explains all of this for democrats who still need help in understanding the basics. 

    of course, the middle class that obama wants to "help" will be the ones hurting the most because of the decisions by the democrats!  obama's mob has the nerve to talk about the $13/week that they are giving the middle class.  they say it fulfills a campaign promise.  hmmmm!  i guess people are stupid enough to take the bones and scraps that are being thrown their way and be satisfied because obama says so?  however, a lot of us understand that $13/week is not enough to help a family pay their bills and feed their children.  i also hope the "dumbing down syndrome" of Americans will start to clear up by then.  hopefully someone will invent a cure quickly before this country falls over the cliff and the democrats get their wish of destroying this country.  i guess until it happens they will remain in lala land and then place the blame on us?  of course!  that is typical!
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  • JackieM
    boy, i can guarantee i won't be watching obama on Jay Leno tonight.  what a damn joke!  this country is in turmoil, people don't have jobs and can't feed their families so this fame whore is going on tv to ensure his celebrity status continues while his polices fail to deliver!  at least this shows he has his priorities in order!  that is why the liberals love him i guess!
  • Dora
    good idea jackie. get some beauty sleep- you get uglier by the minute.
  • Titus Hunt
    Obviously, you liberals love to be judgemental on things you know nothing about.  Insulting me is not getting this country's economy back, but that is all you liberals know how to do because the priorities are entertainment and rhetoric instead of ensuring the government does their job.   But hey, you are definitely an expert at spewing hatred.  Keep up the good work while obama is playing around with our future!
  • Titus Hunt
    I wonder how much of the taxpayer's money is going to be wasted when obama uses AirForce One to fly to the show and has all of his security around him?  hmmm!  Wouldn't it be nice for obama to actually be serious about cutting unnecessary spending?  Whoops!  I forgot for a second that we are talking about obama who has no integrity.  Wonder how many jobs can be created with this money?  Wonder how many children could be fed with this money?  So how much "hope" should intelligent Americans have that he is capable of successfully correcting this economy?  Well, those folks with an IQ over a 5 know the answer to this.
  • Dora
    Obama heads to California for town-hall meetings
    3 hours ago
    LOS ANGELES (AP) — President Barack Obama heads to California today, where he will preside over a couple of town hall-style meetings and become the first incumbent chief executive to appear on "The Tonight Show." The visit comes at a time when California is being hit hard economically.
    The state that is home to one in eight Americans has been ravaged by recession, a housing meltdown and double-digit unemployment. The public is seething over $165 million in post-bailout bonuses paid to executives at American International Group Inc. — an issue certain to overshadow the two-day visit.
    His first appearance as president in a state that was a getaway for his predecessors could instead become a political test for Obama, whose administration has been trying to find its voice on the economy. His schedule includes a stop on Jay Leno's stage in Burbank after town hall-style meetings in Orange County on Wednesday and downtown Los Angeles on Thursday.
     

  • JackieM
    we are in the middle of an economic crisis.  instead of working until solutions are found, obama is going to use AirForce One and security folks to fly to be on a TV comedy show and meet with liberals in CA for townhall meetings?  is this a good use of taxpayer money and time during this mess?  how will this ensure the stability of our country?  what problems will be solved as a result of his trip?  the only result will be to continue to cultivate his celebrity status for his political future.  this is a prime example of where his priorities are.  millions of people are out of work and many of them have families they can't feed.  instead of ensuring businesses can thrive by changing the trade laws and tax situation so that small businesses have a chance to survive and employ folks, obama is off having a joyous trip and calling it work!  ha!  he is no leader and only takes this crisis seriously when it suits him!  his is part of the politics as usual system.
  • Michael
    "The public is seething over $165 million in post-bailout bonuses paid to executives at American International Group Inc."
    I guess the Conservatives were right to ask for time to read the bill before a rush to sign.  Which Democrat inserted this line and where is the call for his or her resignation.

    H1412 of the Final Stimulus Bill, “SEC. 111. EXECUTIVE COMPENSATION AND CORPORATE GOVERNANCE:

    “(iii) The prohibition required under clause (i) shall not be construed to prohibit any bonus payment required to be paid pursuant to a written employment contract executed on or before February 11, 2009, as such valid employment contracts are determined by the Secretary or the designee of the Secretary.”

    But if Americans are as upset as they say they are about AIG giving a retention bonus then they need to be equally as upset over Fannie and Freddie giving bonus's as well despite receiving bailout money (and still asking for more).

    WSJ
    MARCH 18, 2009
    "Fannie Mae is due to pay retention bonuses of as much $470,000 to $611,000 this year to some executives despite enormous losses at the government-backed mortgage company. Fannie's main rival, Freddie Mac, also plans to pay such bonuses but hasn't yet provided details."
  • Michael,

    My $0.02, AIG is the straw man. Oooh, look, there they are getting grilled on Capitol Hill. The next day Congress turns around and writes them a check. Both sides are corrupt and it is merely a distraction.

    Hopefully China is too busy paying attention to AIG to notice that the Fed just announced they will print up $300 billion to gobble up Treasurys.

    RUN! We are screwed now, and the dollar taking an immediate nosedive after the announcement only solidifies that view.
  • Michael
    "Mr. Obama said he needs the regulatory power "to allow us proactively to get out in front, to separate bad assets from good in dealing with contracts that may be inappropriate."

    Will Obama stop bonuses to Michael Williams, the company's chief operating officer, who is due to receive cash retention awards of $611,000 this year, atop a similar award of $260,000 in 2008. His base salary is $676,000 a year?  Will Obama also stop the payment of retention awards this year of $517,000 to David Hisey and $470,000 each to Thomas Lund and Kenneth Bacon with Fannie Mae?

    Will he be "proactive to get out in front" of Freddie and Fannie who had combined losses of 108 Billion and received over 200 billion from the Treasury?  Who here takes Obama at his word? We will see.
  • Michael
    Jr. Accountant,

    When Geithner testifies before Congress next week, do you think Chuck Grassley will recommend the same recommendation to him as he did AIG?

    “(iii) " I would suggest the first thing that would make me feel a little bit better toward them if they'd follow the Japanese example and come before the American people and take that deep bow and say, I'm sorry, and then either do one of two things: resign or go commit suicide."
  • Michael,

    I don't know enough about Mr. Grassley or his voting record to say one way or another. I do however know that he went on Twitter later in the day after making the statement (which I personally FULLY support and wish more Congressman had the cojones to say things like that) and said the following:

    "Today was big TV day. Evrybody took me seriously that I wanted AIG mangment to commit suicide Inteligent journalist can't recgnize rhetoric"
  • JackieM
    Boy, it is a proud day for democrats--not!  democrats have no shame!  if i remember correctly, i think the stimulus bill was done behind closed doors, and this statement was added during that time.  so those wimps are not going to sell each other out.  we will never know who is responsible for it.  i also saw the list of campaign donations AIG, and the democrats including obama are in bed with this company.  so who is responsible?  of course, obama's supporters were railing the Republicans as the party of "no."  well, i'm so proud of my party for that and many other things lately, and the democrats should be ashamed of themselves for starting this propaganda and electing these morons.  did anyone see the clip of pelosi speaking to illegals saying the raids should stop and they were being patriotic!  this is just icing on the cake.  if i were a democrat, i would be so embarrassed and work to get these nuts including obama out of office but the democrats are not smart enough to realize this.  we can add the wasted taxpayer dollars towards these bonuses to the wasted pork spending.  meanwhile, obama is having a party with the liberals in CA and going to be on a talk show!  yeah, he is a loser!  this is truly "hope" and "change" we can believe in!  Democrats:  this is your day.  Hold your head up high and be proud of your choices for the leader of our nation!  LOL!
  • JackieM
    47% of Americans were correct in voting Republican!  How proud I am!
  • JackieM
    whoops!  i forgot to add the obama's salary to the list of wasted taxpayer dollars!  while the economy is going to hell, geithner is screwing up and the congress and senate are coming up with new ways to change this nation into more of a socialist country, he decides to throw it all aside and meet with liberals in CA.  yeah, that is accomplishing...........................what?  Hopefully, there will be a few moments that real Americans if there are any in CA (Conservatives) will be able to get into a conversation with him but i doubt it.
  • Jackie,

    I'm in California. San Francisco none-the-less, home of the Wicked Witch of the Far Left.

    There are a grand total of..... hang on... fingers + toes... 7 of us conservatives here. 12 if you count the moderates who believe in sound money but are probably too stoned to forge an opinion.

    Consider me the wolf in sheep's clothing.
  • Michael
    Sen. Dodd Admits Adding Bonus Provision to Stimulus Package Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., said Wednesday the Treasury forced him to add language to the stimulus bill last month that exempted all executive bonuses made before February 11, 2009.

    So this means he was lying before when he said
    "When the language went to the conference and came back, there was different language," he said then. "I can tell you this much, when my language left the Senate, it did not include it. When it came back, it did."
  • JackieM
    Jr Accountant - Boy, thank goodness!  I am proud to know there are a few real Americans there!  LOL!  Well, you have a support system here if that is any consolation.  We can now officially refer the left to Pelosi's comments about illegals.  that should say it all.  they have absolutely no creditability on any stance anymore.  i guess it takes a radical wing nut like obama to finally put an end to the democratic party even though his/pelosi's policies will ensure we pay a heavy price by the destruction of our country.   of course, the "dumbing down of America syndrome" is an issue.  the republican party now needs to ensure we stand by our principals and not be sidetracked anymore.  we need strong, honest leaders and that will ensure this country will be on top once again.   if not, we have more of the baby mama syndrome, welfare, socialism, plural marriage, more abortions, naked people in the streets having sex in front of our children, more terror attacks and you name it because it will be an any "anything goes" society just like the liberals want.  we are almost there unfortunately.  i don't know if you noticed from my previous posts, but i'm not a fan of obama, his maffia or supporters, but i'm shy about communicating my thoughts.  LOL!  i couldn't help myself!
  • JackieM
    Michael--i really don't understand why the liberals are still supporting this administration.  obama is no leader and letting his crew run wild with no guidance.  they are a bunch of wimps who refuse to take a stand on the issues they believe in.  they will instead hide behind a wall.  it is interesting that the liberals still don't get it.  i'm amazed.  we really do need a pill, shot or something to give those who have the "dumbing down of America syndrome."  it is an epidemic.  have you noticed that they really can't seem to blame the republicans for this one?  they have toned down their rhetoric in the past few days because they are being exposed.  of course, obama leaves his mice to destroy the country while he is partying and wasting taxpayer dollars in CA.  well, at least we have our borders protected and the economy is thriving!  oh wait a minute, these are not happening.  i would love to be paid to accomplish nothing.  i couldn't actually do it but the thought....................................
  • davidwwalters72
    Jr Accountant(7).........
    <<.....and the powers that be ......... said that the derivatives market wasn't a problem
    even though it eventually swelled to larger than our entire national output>>

    <<
    So the reason(s) are:
    - stupidity
    - ignorance
    - poor regulation
    - moronic leaders
    - the Fed's own subversive agenda
    - greed
    - blatant reckless behavior with financial instruments that these firms did not understand>>

    -S
    o
    , we shouldn't think of regulating derivatives, because the derivatives market, didn't cause our economic meltdown?
    I agree with ALL of the above reasons you gave......
    But i fail to understand why the derivatives market should be given a pass.
  • davidwwalters72
    Idaho Spud (8)........
    -I'
    ve
    often thought that we should consider this when i've been overwhelmed by a fit of misanthropy......
    <<Declaring bankruptcy is what individuals and companies are forced into due to poor management of resources.  Assets are liquidated and distributed to creditors, but a percent of nothing is still nothing........
    For the one world conspirators is it possible that the secret societies that rule the world, who control the worlds money have finally outsmarted themselves?>>
    -It
    would sure leave some countries in a lurch, huh?
  • davidwwalters72
    Jr. Accountant.......
    <<
    The US Federal Reserve made $8.5 trillion available to Wall Street and other entities with OTC derivatives in their inventory. These “assets” have the potential for causing bankruptcy.>>
    http://jsmineset.com/index.php/2008/12/07/the-follow-the-money-concept/
    Jim Sinclair seems to think the derivatives market [ref. (38)]
    -May be a problem...
    Ex
    plain why you think the derivatives market  " wasn't a problem even though it eventually swelled to larger than our entire national output."?

    Michael(13).....
    <<
    Bernanke, the Fed Chairman, says inflation is low enough that we can get away with printing some money short-term.
    He is right that we are in a short term deflationary cycle now which was caused by a global collapse that saw a decreased demand for commodities.>>
    -A
    ctually,
    for once, i agree with you......
    -But the rest of your post made no sense(-y'know.....i'm an idiot)
    So i believe you are saying an "uptick in the world economies demand on goods"
    is a bad thing?
    -It seems like the end of the last great depression came about only when money was put in the pockets of the middle class and they were finally able at the end of WW2 to buy things like houses and cars......
  • Michael
    So i believe you are saying an "uptick in the world economies demand on goods"
    is a bad thing?
    The increased demand for commodities would cause price inflation coupled with the purchasing power lowered on the US dollar as more dollars are chasing fewer goods and services.  We can print money in the short term without much negative effect but long term it will catch up to us in a big way.  This is why I say both Bernanke and Jr. Accountant are correct.

    The only way to hedge against this in the future is to raise interest rate to slow the flow of capital raising the cost of leveraged purchases of just about everything. 

    -It seems like the end of the last great depression came about only when money was put in the pockets of the middle class and they were finally able at the end of WW2 to buy things like houses and cars......
    That really isn't correct.  In large part are policies at the time are what caused us to break a cyclical recession and spin it into a depression.  Think of it this way, if we had the money just sitting their in some big account then yes, by placing that money back into the system then to put that money to work either through personal investment or public works projects then that would work.  What doesn't work is the borrowing from future capital markets.
  • Michael
    This from Bloomberg today.

    “We’ve got a massive increase in the Fed’s balance sheet, and the markets are taking it to be both inflationary and as devaluing the dollar,” said Frank McGhee, the head dealer at Integrated Brokerage Services LLC in Chicago. “This reinforces the potential for hyperinflation, which would drive commodity prices higher.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087...
  • Michael
    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the trade war that just broke out with Mexico, our third largest trading partner.  Last week our Democrat Congress stopped the pilot program to allow Mexican trucks to cross the border to help protect the Teamsters Union in the US (violation to NAFTA) and caused today new tarriffs on 89 US Products at between 10% and 45% and will affect some $2.4 billion in goods across 40 states.
    Now there is ring of familiarity to the Great Depression.
  • All of this controversy could be eliminated by simply sonsulting the Ten Commandments.

    "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's ass."
  • Titus Hunt
    Michael--you are right again.  the writing is on the wall but some (wonder who) are refusing to read it!
  • Guest

    Dora -- i often read your comments and you NEVER bring anything of value to the conversation. All you do is launch your mediocre attacks against me and the readers here; when in fact, most of the readers here are just like you and hate my guts anyway.

    So what are you here for?

  • davidwwalters72
    -In post (40) i stated:
    -
    "It seems like the end of the last great depression came about only when money was put in the pockets of the middle class and they were finally able at the end of WW2 to buy things like houses and cars......"
    -Michael retorts......
    -<<That really isn't correct.>>  
    -He
    went on to state:
    <<In large part are policies at the time are what caused us to break a cyclical recession and spin it into a depression.  Think of it this way, if we had the money just sitting their in some big account then yes, by placing that money back into the system then to put that money to work either through personal investment or public works projects then that would work. What doesn't work is the borrowing from future capital markets.>>
    -Really?
    Prior to The New Deal..... 
    "[the entire decade of the "Roaring 20s", the federal government's budget was in surplus every year and Treasury debt fell every year. Over the period between 1920-1930, the debt was reduced by 38.2%, from $27.39 Billion to $16.93 Billion.]"
    http://www.the-privateer.com/usdebt/comment.html

    -W
    hat
    "caused us to break a cyclical recession and spin it into a depression"?
    Hoover's answer to the market crash and ensuing unemployment was to Balance the Budget?  -Yeah, that sure worked.

    Luckily we got a New Deal in 1933........
    "[From 1930 to 1940, the decade of the Great Depression and the huge increase in government economic intervention known as the "New Deal", Treasury debt rose again. From $16.93 Billion in 1930, the debt grew to $42.97 Billion in 1940.]"
    http://www.the-privateer.com/usdebt/comment.html
    Suffering was eased a bit, however the Stimulus FDR was able to produce was not enough to end the depression.

    ["Then came U.S. participation in World War II. Between 1941 and 1946, Treasury debt exploded from $42.97 Billion to $269.42 Billion. At the end of the first half of this century, in 1950, the debt had declined somewhat from its 1946 level, standing at $257.36 Billion.']
    http://www.the-privateer.com/usdebt/comment.html
    America's entry to WW2 saw the institution of Massive Deficit Spending,  the kind republican lawmakers cry about now. Full-employment economy  was the immediate end to the Great Depression and this did NOT occur from balancing the federal budget!
  • Dora
    jackie said (and michael repeated this  - in bold print below) 
    "Hopefully, there will be a few moments that real Americans if there are any in CA (Conservatives) will be able to get into a conversation with him but i doubt it."

    this is an absolute illustration of the continued brain-dead thinking that persists within the extreme right wingnut haven.   "real Americans"  -  an absolute illustration why the GOP's cannot get their act together-  it is this exact thinking and divisive behavior that, if continued,  will keep them on the outside looking in for a very, very, long time.    frankly, for them to be away from policy making decisions would be of great service to this country.  we have all seen the results of their ideology and are now paying a heavy toll- in lives lost, in financial loss, and bad government.   

    and URBAN CONSERVATIVE-  proper construction of your critique would have been "For what purpose are you here?"
  • davidwwalters72
    -Real Americans?   Dora, for us to be Real Americans, we need to embrace tax cuts only for the wealthiest, (not for middle income working types),
    -We
    should allow teachers, police, prison guards to become unemployed because their states can't fund their jobs.  We should eschew federal funding of extended unemployment benefits for those lazy, out of work social leeches who can't find a job.  They can always join the military.....
    Dora, to be a real American, we need to find a cure for the gay thing, and we need to pray more often.  And above all, we shouldn't allow the creep of socialism into our capitalist society by allowing those damned democrats to cap compensation for executives at banks that take taxpayer bailout money!
    That would be so socialistic!
    Dora, get with the program and become a Real American!
  • Titus Hunt
    David and Dora--those haven to be the dumbest posts ever.  you still don't get it and continue to direct your rhetoric in the wrong direction.  it is beginning to get boring.  Get it through your thick, thick heads that all business owners are not wealthy.  I'm not even talking about big corporations because that is another subject that you can't seem to grasp.  small businesses employe 70% of the people in the US.  you also leave out global competition in your thought process.  we are not isolated!  look at the mess obama has created since he has been in office.  read my posts.  you guys don't want immediate job creation and the most efficient and quickest stimulus.  the "stimulus" won't stimulate this economy for a long while so the purpose of the "stimulus" is to get all of the left winged-nut unnecessary projects done and to satisfy the unions.  of course, i could go on about the pork and other issues but that is too hard for you to understand.  get off your narrow-minded ideas of big business and strictly focus on small businesses.  Real Americans understand we need solutions.  obama's administration has lost its credability with average thinking people.  the democrats in congress and the senate have proven to be a disgrace.  who in the hell would vote for a bill without reading it?  obama is in charge so the blame goes to him.  this is his bill.  what a moron?  obama signed the bill.  of course, your party is also the party that won't hold people accountable for the documents they signed in this housing market.  you guys claim they didn't know what they were signing.  the dumbshits in the administration, congress and the senate fit this category too.  this is the same standard you guys used for Bush.  by the way, who in the hell would want to stop raids and call illegals patriotic?  the answer is only liberals.  the actions in the Washington are unpatriotic and unAmerican.  if you guys support these people..................................................
  • Titus Hunt
    Thank God for the republicans in the senate and house.  they were the ones that exposed this fraud of an administration and let the people know that the bill was not read.  that is the whole problem with this recent debacle.
  • Michael
    David, I don't know if your process of "learning on the fly" is going to cut it.

    What doesn't work is the borrowing from future capital markets."

    First, you need to read a bit more about the causes and the responses (all of them) before you have a Depression discussion with me (by the way David, would you say we are in a Depression?).  Second, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees with what I said above about the effect this will have on inflation.
  • My personal belief is this... it is very easy to point fingers and say the liberals did it, the Treasury did it, the greedy corporate pricks did it - but the point is that America is coming under assault on all fronts. This move by the Fed is a declaration of war on the dollar.

    As the AIG debacle has shown us, Washington is acting ridiculous and doesn't even know their own rules. They can't even get their story straight - and I know some of you aren't going to like me saying this but BOTH sides are corrupt. We've got corruption on our team too and I think a lot of us don't want to admit that. These guys are acting like total assholes and this is certainly not the sort of America *I* believe in. So something needs to be done and fast.

    Instead of wasting our breath defending our views to morons like Dora above or arguing back and forth on the particulars, we've got to start preparing ourselves for financial Armageddon. It has already arrived in case you haven't noticed and Washington isn't going to save us. The current administration is dead-set on eroding the Constitution - which was already under assault by previous administrations. Do you guys hear me on this one? We all screwed this up. Our teams are a mess. And bickering about the details doesn't help us prepare for the inevitable chaos which is about to erupt in this country.

    If the goal is globalization, I don't know about you guys but I'm not about to let global interests take a long hard piss on my Constitution - but we're being assaulted from the inside. The foxes are guarding the hen house and they would love nothing more than for us to keep going back and forth on the issues amongst ourselves instead of turning outward and demanding that Washington do the job for which we hired them.

    It's all a joke.

    Here in California, we're starting up a tax revolt - Arnold is trying to loot us and kissing OMGObama's backside for a handout since Obama is the one with the Fed presses at his disposal. WTF! My state is being sold to the highest bidder and my governor is supposed to be on our team!

    Failure.

    Dora, while you made a valid point above, might I suggest you consider coming on over to our team? After all, when your president turns on you, takes what little remains of your wealth, and turns your country into a police/nanny state under the delusional belief that he has a right to take our already stretched-too-thin military and turn it into his personal GI Joe game against his very own people, which side will you want to be on? The one waiting for a handout or the one with all the guns?

    Don't answer that. Just think about it.
  • Michael
    Jr Accountant,

    I agree with all of the above in that both political sides both have been and currently are corrupt.  But I disagree with the following...
    "Instead of wasting our breath defending our views to morons like Dora above or arguing back and forth on the particulars, we've got to start preparing ourselves for financial Armageddon. It has already arrived in case you haven't noticed and Washington isn't going to save us."
    We have fought these fights over and over again to see a change not just in the political system in Washington, but also a change in the information and ideology of the American people themeselves.  If we do not defend against these issues, then the underlying corruption many times goes unnoticed by the people. 
    Now is what we do on one blog making any difference, who knows.  But what is being done on all of the conservative blogs together coupled with the tea party demonstrations that just saw 5000 people show up in Cincinnati's Fountain Square, it makes a difference, not in four years, but 2 years when midterms come up.
    Case in Point, Chris Dodd.  Has all of this hurt or helped him in his reelection bid in 2010?  His numbers are already showing him loosing in a Quinnipiac poll in a hypothetical match up with Republican rival Rob Simmons.  We need to lay the blame where the blame is due, issue by issue and the AIG issue is Chris Dodd's.
    "Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., said Wednesday the Treasury forced him to add language to the stimulus bill"
    The prohibition required under clause (i) shall not be construed to prohibit any bonus payment required to be paid pursuant to a written employment contract executed on or before February 11, 2009, as such valid employment contracts are determined by the Secretary or the designee of the Secretary.”
  • Michael,

    Maybe that comment didn't come out correctly. Please believe me, I of all people understand that we cannot simply stand by, say nothing, and just store up on gold and guns. I will keep yelling, keep writing, keep disseminating anti-Fed literature, keep going to End the Fed rallies, etc until I'm blue in the face and exhausted. I'm trying to save my country here and refuse to turn the other way and pretend everything is entirely ok. So on that level, you are absolutely correct.

    I am talking about feeding the trolls. That is a true waste of effort. In the case of you, I think you are able to get a rise out of some people who share conflicting opinions and inspire thought in them. THAT is absolutely a good thing.

    But trolls like Dora are exactly that and not worth the effort. You really have to pick your battles sometimes.

    That being said, back to yelling and screaming and throwing a fit about this mess.......
  • Michael
    "But trolls like Dora are exactly that and not worth the effort. You really have to pick your battles sometimes."
    Truer words have never been spoken.  I too shall stop feeding the trolls.
  • davidwwalters72
    Michael(52)........
    <<
    First, you need to read a bit more about the causes and the responses (all of them) before you have a Depression discussion with me (by the way David, would you say we are in a Depression?).  Second, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees with what I said above about the effect this will have on inflation.>>
    -S
    o
    you are also an expert on The Great Depression?  Nice, i'm impressed.

    <<
    I need to research who?  Who do I need to tell me what I already know?  I do this everyday.  When I am not on here explaining it to you, I am doing it in my everyday life>>-Michael(95) Stimulus Anything But: The Long-Term Consequences
    -Always the expert, Michael would love for us to simply take his word.....and then as now, i think experts can be overrated...."-The analogy here would be Gen. Westmorland announcing to LBJ that America was winning in Vietnam in late 1967."-davidwwalters72 (96)"Stimulus Anything But: The Long-Term Consequences"......
    -So Michael, what of the end of the Great Depression?
    Did we bring the economy back by balancing the budget, or cutting federal spending?
  • Dora
    What Pres. Obama said on Leno the other night was true-(jackie- go google it since you mentioned that you would not be caught dead listening to him)  and you sad faced , loud-mouthed, tiny fanatic fringe people need to understand it in proper context:  "MUCH OF WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE THAT CAUSED THIS WAS LEGAL"

    He was not defending what happened- he was pointing out the absolute need for regulatory measures and oversight and transparency so it would not happen again.  

    You are all interested in placing blame rather than fixing what needs to be fixed.   Both David and I have acknowledged the joint efforts involved here- joint efforts by BOTH REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS -  many of you went along for the ride as well - even as the rich got richer off your backs- you voted against your own best interests and the majority of the american people- favoring instead the top 2% of the country and the belief in the fairy tale of "trickle down" as well as your misguided faith in "let the free market reign."   
    There were many many red flags presented over the past 20 years yet how many of you ignored these?   How many of you participated in "flipping houses"?  Condo conversions?   How many of you purchased a thinly venier coated particle board bedroom set made in Indonesia and found a drawer defective-   you went back to your salesman to order a replacement- only to find that the replacement drawer did not match?   Why?  Because the furn. company "shopped" this line and found that this bedroom set could be made even cheaper in Brazil!  
    The US has largely stopped manufacturing anything but paper, artificial values, and hot air.
  • davidwwalters72
    <<.....by the way David, would you say we are in a Depression?>> -Michael(52)
    -S
    hould
    we wait for one to occur?  When is it appropriate to act?  And as we await the official recognition of a state of depression?  -And  what of all those teachers, police, prison guards?  Screw 'em?
    http://www.uft.org/news/teacher/briefs/economic...
    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Economy/Story?id=6...

    I just wonder what it will take gain support for action instead of waiting for crisis to overwhelm us?  Which is worse......higher prices or no job? Going into debt or funding our essential state and local employees?
  • Michael
    "So you are also an expert on The Great Depression?  Nice, i'm impressed."

    David, I have at least studied it, have you? 

    -Should we wait for one to occur?
    The proper question is are we causing one to occur through our actions.  It can be strongly argued that we did cause the first Depression to rise out of a recession when we took protectionist actions like Smoot-Hawley that has a very familiar ring to the shutting down of trade in effect with Mexico, our third largest trading partner just this past week. 

    When is it appropriate to act?
    It is not just when, it is how.  We have two choices here, one is to allow a rapid, deep recession, the other is to have a slow, shallower recession.  Which is better?  We need to let failed institutions fail.  We need to let corporations that are bankrupt, go bankrupt.  If we artificially prop up these institutions and let limp along by the gradual feeding of capital companies that should go bankrupt and reorganize then we are simply postponing the inevitable and hoisting the debt load onto the taxpayer.  It is a decision that takes political courage to say that we as a country need to address the problem now, take the hit, and come out stronger for it rather than the current policy of here is a billion or so dollars so you can continue operating for another year or so until this administration is safely out of office. 
    If you want change, now is the time we can change and should allow for the market forces to do their thing and force failure to fail so that a new system, new institutions can rise up without the burden of the propping up of the failed ones to continue to exist along side of them.

    And  what of all those teachers, police, prison guards?  Screw 'em?
    Statements like that are the main reason that the Democrat Party can never truly get anything done.  It is a play on emotion when they put forth what most people see as the most important positions while failing to mention all of the wasted spending that exist in every states, and municipalities budget.  They throw out police and teachers before ever mentioning on a local level the ability to cut basic services and programs that subsidize professional sports teams, funding of public pools, or even streetscaping.  Cities and states spending millions on advertising campaigns that individual business would cut back on in a time of downturn, but these expenses are never discussed as a cutback area by a liberal who can just point to a police officer as the only cut possible.  Millions and Millions are wasted by my state alone and all you can point to David is Teachers, Police or Prison Guards?  Each of which here in my community are paid through different funding souces including property tax, and city income tax, and partially through state lottery tax and local and federal education funds.  That is simply a dininginous argument David.

    Which is worse......higher prices or no job?
    Simple, higher prices AND no job.  Do you think this is simply an either or propostion?  Unemployment continues to rise and inflationary pressures are just around the corner.  It is a race against the clock to correct the ecomomy before we have both forces working against us and if we choose the longer method of sustained recession then this is exactly what we are going to be faced with.  Commodities are already on the rise.  Fuel prices will begin to increase this summer and if food creaps back up, then what do we have?  Higher prices AND no job!  That is why this is the Obama recession because of his actions over the past two months are directing this recession into a prolonged, sustained period vs a short, deep, market correction.
  • davidwwalters72
    <<David, I have at least studied it, have you?>>-Michael

    -Now
    you know better, all us rednecks in NorthCarolina are illiterate.
    ....So what does all your book learn'in tell ya?
    -Did Hoover's policies help the results of the market crash? 
    -W
    hat was unemployment in 1932?
    (the last year of Hoover's administration).  
    -In 1936?  In 1938?  1940? 1944?
    Did FDR's policies cut unemployment?
    -Explain to all us dumb ass's how the Great Depression ended?  When we cut government spending?
    -Learn me somethin' will ya?

  • Michael
    -Now you know better, all us rednecks in NorthCarolina are illiterate.
    Not all, but obviously some.

    -Did Hoover's policies help the results of the market crash?
    No, as it did not even address the reasoning for the crash itself.  The market crashed in 29 due to a failure of being able to cover margins that were at a 10 to 1 spread.  That is what caused the bank collapses.  Everything led back to margin calls, the massive spending, the trade protectionism, yet none of it addressed the problem itself and only put us deeper into a Depression.  Not much different from today, minus the severity, at least so far. 

    Public opinion polls from the time as well as the cbm showed that the policies enacted by FDR delayed the recovery of private investment by the reduction of investor confidence.  It wasn't until the New Deal and WWII ended and the resources were turned back to the private sector for non war production did private investment return and the ecomomy rebound in a peace time recovery. 

    -Explain to all us dumb ass's how the Great Depression ended?
    Well first you have to understand how it was started, prolonged, and finally ended.  The contraction due to macro economic collapse went from 29-33 while we were in a production undercapacity that lasted for 12 successive years and that was generally understood to have been ended by the production requirements of WWII.
    There is a difference between genuine and wartime prosperity.  The genuine prosperity only came about post WWII with the renewed confindence in the markets which saw the return of private investment along with the official end of price controls.  The employment numbers that you are speaking of are not considered a valid indication of ecomomic performance during WWII as 12 million people were conscripted or drafted which caused for unemployment to vitually disapear.  Those war time distortions both in GDP and employment did not begin to disapear until 47 or 48 and the general concensus on the ending of the effects of the Depression was sometime around 1940 yet even then the negative effects of the war caused some measures of personal ecomonmic wellbeing to deteriorate including capital accumulation and personal consumption.
    The only real measure of a return to ecomomic prosperity is through the return of private investement which did not occur until sometime after 46.  Private investment was almost non existent from 35 to 40 because of an uncertainty of property right and no reasonable expectaition of return on investment due to government intervention and price controls.  It wan't until Truman did we have a restored confidence in propety rights.
    From 33 to 37, the U.S. Economy had recovered 96% of its losses and private investment had recouped by 64%, yet in 37 and 38, what was know as the Roosevelt Recession, we contracted by 4% and private investment fell by 34%.  GDP did not fully recover until 46-50 with a brief recession in 49.
    We are going down the same road today.  We are attacking private industry and private property rights today and seeing a diminished confidence in private investors as well as consumers.  This is why the continued pointing to the Great Depression as a model of success in government intervention into the private sector is flawed as it didn't work then either.  If you want a real comparrison, look to 81 and 82 and see the opposite approach be taken resulting in a truncated timetable for recovery.  We cut taxes allowing for individuals to keep more of what they had and we did not pursue protectionist legislation that would have resulted in a retaliatory reponse from our trading partners, exacerbating the problem.
    -Learn me somethin' will ya?
    Your premise is flawed and your knowledge on the subject is lacking to the point that you will continue down the same failed road under this adminstration.  Political ideology added to your ignorance is what will doom you to remake the same mistakes as the past.
  • davidwwalters72
    <<Public opinion polls from the time as well as {the cbm(?)}showed that the policies enacted by FDR delayed the recovery of private investment by the reduction of investor confidence. It wasn't until the New Deal and WWII ended and the resources were turned back to the private sector for non war production did private investment return and the ecomomy rebound in a peace time recovery. >>
    reduction of investor confidence." ?   -Nothing about money in regular folk's back pockets? Are the only ones worth mentioning the rich elitists?
    -From(61).......
    "-What was unemployment in 1932?
    (the last year of Hoover's administration).  
    -In 1936?  In 1938?  1940? 1944?
    Did FDR's policies cut unemployment?"

    -Not important?  <<This is why the continued pointing to the Great Depression as a model of success in government intervention into the private sector is flawed as it didn't work then either. >>
    ......So lemme get this straight.  All that matters is the Investors......Screw the peasants and their ditch digging menial labor?
  • Michael
    reduction of investor confidence." ?   -Nothing about money in regular folk's back pockets? Are the only ones worth mentioning the rich elitists?
    Remember when I said that you are driven, not by knowledge, but by political ideology?  Well there you go.

    -In 1936?  In 1938?  1940? 1944?
    Did FDR's policies cut unemployment?"
    You haven't read hardly a word of what I wrote above have you?  Well I can't force you to but perhaps others who are not so blinded by politics will.

    All that matters is the Investors......Screw the peasants and their ditch digging menial labor?
    And once again you react with emotion vs logic.  This just keeps going on and on with you.  Is this really your only response to how the Great Depression unfolded?  This is why knowledge, not emotion is important when determining how to see our way out of adversity.
  • Michael
    David,
    While you are trying to learn on the fly here and try and develop some sort of liberal apologist rebuttal, I am going to lunch.
  • Titus Hunt
    Dora--i started to post to explain why you are wrong but realized it will not help.  i just had surgery and am recouperating and don't even feel like taking the time to prove you wrong again!  your very apparent lack of understanding of economics is why you are unable to figure this elementary subject out.  obama needs to focus on getting one thing right at a time because he hasn't been successful at doing more.  multitasking is great IF it produces good results.
  • davidwwalters72
    Michael.....
    <<
    While you are trying to learn on the fly here and try and develop some sort of liberal apologist rebuttal, I am going to lunch.>>
    -Don't choke....

    <<
    You haven't read hardly a word of what I wrote above have you?  Well I can't force you to but perhaps others who are not so blinded by politics will.>>
    Yeah, i did and you'd still have a hard time explaining away what the wad of cash so many American's pockets......what it meant to our economy......
    _Just think of it this way.  What was it that fueled post war economy?
    -Automobiles? And the key to the continued growth in Detroit was, -that wad of cash in Joe's pocket that was buy'in a car......
    And i say "continued growth in Detroi" in the sense that most auto workers were building the aircraft that George HW Bush and others flew prior to 1945.  After 1945, as the plants retooled for cars, there needed to be a market for all these cars......Rich Guys in suits?
    -Think again!
  • davidwwalters72
    ....should have said that George HW Bush and others flew through 1945
  • watchman
    Wonder how you post articles on this blog.

    Anyway, I have begun to feel a bit despondent after that post. Decreasing the value of the dollar is apparently another way to reduce the value of mortgages it seems. Of course there are other consequences as the value of the dollar starts going down. Most wages will not increase to keep pace with a decreasing dollar (except maybe congress). I think China's reaction will be a bit unpredictable as well. Either way with all this financial wrangling, the current administration has little place to criticize China's control over their currency anymore.
  • I just went to www.failedwhitehouse.com.  It a really great source for conservitive news and information about the Obama Whitehouse!!!!!
  • Dora
    your site, victor, was a dead giveaway with: "the Obama Whitehouse!!!!!"
    (eeeeek! run!!!!)
    it's easy to find places like this- just google: "right wingnut rubbish, half baked critiques, opinions and GOP hypocrisy."

    or,  take a chill pill and go here: http://www.ironictimes.com/
  • watchman
    Do the people who write the articles on this blog read and respond to rational comments on their articles?

    How do you post articles on this blog?
  • Great site Dora. (Not Really) It is one of the worst news or opinion sites I have seen. I am not talking about content or leanings. You can not click or expand any article, and the headlines and the site is not very user friendly. This site does have potental.
  • Victor Rodriguez
    Become part of the movement. Join the social network that is working to stop the move towards socialism.

    Join at http://savetherepublic.ning.com
  • Dora
    http://www.vincentchow.net/wp-content/uploads/2...

    like i said... chill pill

    you are wigging out big time, victor.  get a grip
  • Dora
    if you were really in favor of saving the Constitution, you would be leading the charge to investigate abuses of this document undertaken by the Bush administration with prosecution of those involved .   Your attentions are rather selective and disingenuous, "victor"...either you believe that we are a nation of laws... or you don't.  It's pretty simple.
  • Dora

    Wigging out? You put up a website and I said it needed work. I did not comment on the opinions are articles. We both have the right to have any site with any opinion. I was simply commenting as a web designer on how you could improve the layout. There were some interesting articles I wanted to expand and read but couldn't.

    And when it comes to the constitution, why must you think I automatically support violations by the bush administration. In some cases I am probably harder on him than you are. He started two wars without a declaration, looked the other way as the fed printed trillions, and used the power of the executive in ways it never intended to be used. To me the Obama is simply the liberal shot at shredding what is left of the constitution after the right had a crack at it. Neither the right nor the left has a monopoly on supporting the constitution. It is all of our responsibilities. When the right was ignoring it, people like you put the bush administrations feet to the fire, and now it is our turn.

    Victor
  • Good work on your blog, I love to see the effort and I am just saying keep up the good work.
  • I heard Obama had a printing press installed in the residence.  Originally he was going to put it in the Lincoln bedroom but the walk was too far and the value of the money went down too much on the walk to pick up another $1T.
  • Dora
    Lisa...weak... ultra weak. 
    Let me tell you a good joke: the current GOP.

    that, my dear - is a good joke.
  • victor rodriguez
    Just one thing, What if the joke was Bush instead of Obama. Would you be calling it weak? Stop the hypocrisy and stop looking the other way when it's "your guy" He is simply a continuation of the Bush Whitehouse, only on overdrive. He simply is making some liberal changes to stem cell and the such to keep his base. Honestly, tell me one real change in policy he has made. Remember, the bailouts and private sector grab started under Bush.

    And Iraq? Great, rename the carbon copy plan, and say it's a deadline date and not a estimate, and get everyone thinking is a different policy. Conservatives and liberals alike get hung up on token gestures and fail to realize it's all smoke and mirrors.
  • davidwwalters
    " Conservatives view the expansion of the Federal Government as a serious, immediate threat to the
    republic. What’s the answer?"-http://www.failedwhitehouse.com/AnonymousGvtExpansionandSocialism032009.html

    -T
    hanx Victor Rodriguez.......So George Bush's expansion of the Federal Government means he wasn't really a conservative after all?
    After all, 9 years ago, he was the darling of small government, deregulating, god loving conservatives EVERYWHERE! What happened?
  • David,

    I feel George Bush had an agenda; whether he kept true to his conservative beliefs or not isn't too difficult to figure out - The Patriot Act is a perfect example of how he betrayed his party.

    So let's not talk about George Bush, mmkay? We're talking about current politics and how to save the dollar from tanking.

    During election season, Obama was an incredible public speaker - now he's attending capo tea and crumpets with the big 15 banksters and serving the Goldman Sachs agenda speaking like this:

    “Show that you get that this is a crisis and everybody has to make sacrifices,” Obama, in an interview with CBS News later in the day, said he told them [15 large banking execs]. “They agreed and they recognized it. Now the proof of the pudding’s in the eating.”

    What a dork. And certainly not who we elected in November.

    The moral of the story, David? Politicians are full of it on both sides. Next.
  • davidwwalters72
    <<So let's not talk about George Bush, mmkay? We're talking about current politics and how to save the dollar from tanking. >>-Jr Accountant(81)

    -I
    n
    the context of the dollar tanking, it is germane to the discussion to find out how we got to where we are now by seeing what mistakes were made in the past.  Not a blame game mind you, but the term that comes to mind is a military term...."an after action report".  An after action report was written by staff officers as an investigation into what was right and wrong about an operation. 

    << “Show that you get that this is a crisis and everybody has to make sacrifices,” Obama, in an interview with CBS News later in the day, said he told them [15 large banking execs]. “They agreed and they recognized it. Now the proof of the pudding’s in the eating.”
    What a dork. And certainly not who we elected in November.>>
    -What is so dorky about holding everyone accountable?
  • David,

    I would love to discuss how we got here but unfortunately it inevitably becomes a blame game in doing so. Whose fault is this? Alan Greenspan's? The PCAOB? the SEC? The Federal Reserve itself?

    I can tell you how we got here. Manipulation. Regulations were removed or rewritten for the convenience of a few and now we are being told by Geithner and Co. that regulations must be rewritten again to prevent a repeat of AIG - but his Fed was the one in charge of keeping an eye on the debacle in the first place so why should we buy a word that he says?

    As for Obama's dorky comment, I was not referring to him putting on airs of accountability, I was referring to the line "Now the proof of the pudding’s in the eating.” - perhaps you can explain what that is supposed to mean?

    This goes far beyond party lines. The men feeding Obama his G-20 position have a blatant conflict of interest.

    Goldman Sachs: http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/03/goldm...

    AIG: http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/03/aig-b...

    Who is allowing these institutions to complete backdoor deals and funnel taxpayer money outside of the US to cover bets *they* understood full and well they were taking at the time they took them?

    If we're going to start playing the "blame game," we would do ourselves well to look faaaaar outside of the usual suspects. Obama is surrounded by the axis of evil (Geithner, Volcker, and Summers) as his economic recovery team - so while Mr. Obama's intentions may be good (which I can't help but believe they are), those he surrounds himself with certainly do not have the best interests of the American people in mind.

    That's my issue. Who cares whose fault it is. Let's unravel that later. Because there are plenty of fingers to go around when it comes time to start pointing. Much more must be uncovered (we're getting there but we've got quite a way to go) before we can reasonably start looking for who to blame.
  • JackieM
    ....in the meantime, obama is in charge so he is to blame for everything that has happened as a result of his decisions.  he chose his staff and the policies he has signed so he is to blame when they go wrong.  it is obvious he has made really bad decisions so far and continues to do so.  the people that elected him refuse to understand this and will support him while watching our country deteriorate.
  • Amen, Jackie.

    I was truly disheartened when I saw him plucking Volcker, Summers, and Geithner to head up his econ team... and knew instantly that this wasn't going to turn out well.

    Too late for him to fire Geithner, now he's just going to have to figure out how to get through the next 3 1/2 years without burning the house down as it were.
  • JackieM
    Jr Accountant--you are right!  but the house is burning down, unfortunately and obama's supporters either hate our country or are too stupid to see it!  there is so much hypocrisy in this administration that we need not look back to see the mistakes.  these mistakes are the biggest in history and they are not for the good of our country.  i would go further and classify them as deliberate actions by a left-winged nuthouse that are intended to destroy our nation.
  • amber
    hey jackie ..... fuck you
  • JackieM
    Amber--as usual your intelligence comes through with your words.
  • Unemployment will tip 9% in the coming month on its way to 12% by summers end. But not to worry... Corporate executives and their upper management teams will continue to reap their bountiful rewards. Like ravaged dogs on a raw and juicy dying carcass. They feast for themselves with eyes far larger than their stomachs could ever be. They defend their greedy actions with arrogant disdain for any that might contest. Filled with pride for their own self-worth they growl, scoff and fill their chests with hot air. All designed to impress and intimidate the meager masses that simply long for a small, fair and appropriate morsel from the feast. Those unworthy and insignificant underlings, the minions that do all of that day to day little work.
    We are they that believe in Capitalism and live in the hopes that we can achieve for ourselves a fair and worthy piece of the pie. To enjoy life with family and friends and to live comfortably and without want. To not wonder and stress over where we shall obtain the means to pay for our food, clothing, home, health care and the education of our children. To this end we have faithfully worked for, defended and trusted in this great democracy and capitalism itself. We have watched as morality, ethics, dignity, fairness and compassion have been attacked and trampled into the concrete jungle of Wall Street and Washington. The very values, beliefs and highly respected attributes of mankind that created this great country have all but vanished in "prime-time" and especially in corporate America. Where today's executives think of themselves as super stars (like all the over paid and pampered Hollywood movie stars or "Professional" Athletes) and desperately seek to enrich themselves as such. To that end they have stolen away America and infected it's Capitalism with the deadly virus called "GREED". They have brought this country to its knees at the expense of the tax payer and the have crushed the American dream forever.
  • For a Corporation that has lost 95% or more of its share value in the past 2 years Citigroup sure has a lot of moxie. Citi is whining for permission to further compensate their over paid executives or "Key" employees with special bonuses. After all these poor innocent victims of the economic collapse have lost so much. It seems they owned stock and or securities in Citigroup which at one time was worth over 240 million dollars.
    I am almost sickened by there losses, but then I'm reminded about just how much they were all paid in bonuses alone since 2008. For doing such a great job Citigroup rewarded 9 of it's "Key" employees over $64,000,000 in bonuses. I guess things at Citigroup would be far worse had the performance of these "Key" employees not been so exceptional and lets not forget the atmospheric salaries these people continue to reap. Citigroup insists that these "retention bonuses" are absolutely essential to keeping these "Key" employees from going elsewhere. Where exactly would they go? Who in their "right mind" would pay them so much money in the first place, especially in view of their most recent performance?
    As to there losses... It is hard to find evidence of such blind arrogance anywhere else in modern life. With our Country reeling from its current financial crisis, Corporations laying off millions, eliminating or reducing health care benefits, reducing retirement benefits, deleting retirement savings accounts through bankruptcy courts, 401k and other retirement accounts have all been devastated by the crash of the markets. In fact, how many employees of Citigroup have been thrown to the unemployment line by these "Key" employees, forced to sell their homes or worst yet to file for bankruptcy protection? Where is their honor and loyalty if not accountability to their own employees, let alone stockholders?
    It amazes me that Corporate America continues to reward executives without regard to their performance. It seems the age old and well proven performance based compensation rules and ethics that have served our country well no longer apply to "Key" employees. Heaven forbid a company like Citigoup should ever acquire some good old common sense and apply it when dealing out executive compensation. Perhaps this whole "Special Bonus" request is a mere publicity campaign or strategy to avoid ( dare I say it ) executive pay cuts? A distraction if you will from the true issues and reality of Citigroup's past performance. For surely if anyone deserves to be fired, or at the very least be rewarded with a pay cut... it is these "Key" employees at Citigroup and other overtly pampered executives on Wall Street.

    http://Executive.Chaos.com
  • It seems that those in charge of getting things right have no clue about finance. Printing money just makes for an over-inflated economy. I play Monopoly for fun. I don't expect people like Bernanke to be playing it for real!
    The thing that really gets me is that they keep trying to fool us into thinking that this banking crisis just popped up like a frenzied hurricane. That's the really cruel thing about it all.
  • Frank T
    I don't understand -- the Fed creates money, and lends it out cheap because AIG et. al. have "toxic assets" and cannot be allowed to fail.  I too have a toxic asset -- a house that is worth less this year than it was last year, and may be worth less than I owe on it.  Mr. Bernacke, please refinance my mortgage at the Fed funds rate -- and assume it's worth what I owe if I live in it until I die.  If you can't do this, please stop lending money to the bank that owns my mortgage.
  • Brian
    http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.r...

    Here's a really good radio segment chronicling the imminent collapse of Bears Stearns
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