She is right (no pun)... LOL.

Yeah, she is as sick and stupid as the rest of the liberals.  How dare she say something she knows nothing about.  Does she know everyone in our party?  that shows how low class she and others like her are.  they are beneath those of us who actually give a damn about about this country and are educated enough to understand the consequences of this administration.  it is interesting that economists are saying how obama's plans are unsustainable.  duh!  of course, those who still support this SOB apparently are too stupid to grasp simple concepts.

however, what can we expect from people who support criminals and liars.  they can't go any lower than this because there is no where to go.

what part of what she said did you find untrue?

Janine Grafalo- it is no suprise to me you share a birthdate with Antonio Jacinto an impriosoned Marxist and Ethel Rosenberg and executed spy its in your DNA. Watch Out you to could be on Janet Napalitano (Genatalia’s) watch list! You paint all tax paying citizens as racists. You have a knack for inflicting pain and a sidistic intent on your fellow citizens. I am an 8 generation San Fransican, we natives would cringe when New Jersey Hicks would arrive in our state it was even more fun if they were Italian New Jersey Red Necks! It was moron’s like you who systematically destroyed our state with your red neck bullshit! Stop making our state resemble a state of uneducated morons and go home to New Jersey,at the very least have enough class to acknowledge the true racists in this country are generationally native Californians who have suffered many embarassments bu Red Necks from other states like New Jersey. Go home to New Jersey so we natives can reclaim our state! Here’s an Astro turf effort on the part of these Red Necks citizens to boycott 24 hours untill the conservative producer realizes that as long as your UGLY MUG is on that show the ratings will surely go down.

Titus, I see you are getting more and more vile every single day.
You must be one miserable woman.  How do you even function with so much hate and vitriol ?  Does writing here slake your thirst for this never ending lickerish you hold?  You spume constantly diaphanous
feckless critique in endless circumlocution.

Goodness.  Foozle on.

Patricia, I see that you are a student of the new math used at this site-
2+2= 57 ...unless it's Wednesday then the correct answer would be turquoise.  As I understand it,  peaches have no bones.  I have taken great care to speak to you in your own language, Patricia.  No thanks necessary.

Now, let me see- hold on a moment while I recall how many black people were at the T.E.A. "event" here... oh yeah, NONE.
and....What sort of signs were they holding?  ...    vile, racist, and ignorant...but,   tell you what, don't take my word for it... they are all over the internet. Look for yourself.  
Urban Conservative why did you not post videos of this "event"?  Of your solidarity with these people and their grievances?  After all, these are your people.

Dora--I don't really care about how many people of what color were in your area.   However, i saw a mixture of folks around our state on the news.  if you agree with that racist attitude, you must be one too!  for someone who claims to know everything, you are ignorant on this subject for sure.  this was open to EVERYONE who wanted to protest taxes and spending.  where is the evidence that showed that people of color were banded from this protest?  just because a lot of black people didn't show up doesn't mean this protest was racist.  i don't give a damn about a person's color and neither does anyone i know.  i judge people by their abilities and so fair we have seen obama has few.  i know you can't possibility comprehend that people have the right to protest.  so are you calling the grandmothers and grandfathers rednecks?  are you calling minority business owners rednecks and racists?  are you calling highly educated professionals in corporate jobs making six figure incomes rednecks.  are you calling hourly workers who are worried about their children's future rednecks?  i could go on and on but you can't handle the truth.  are you being judgemental, dora?  I call obama's tactics and policies socialist, communist and a resemblance of any other government in which a dictatorship is involved.  look at his homeland security idiot and the report her department produced--enough said.  the following is a partial list of folks who showed up at the TEA parties. 
1.  people who care about their children and grandchildren and don't want them to pay these bills.
2.  people who actually understand the economic results of this idiot's polices, which is higher inflation within just a few years just to name one.  now in case you don't understand what that means, it is higher prices on everything we buy.
3.  people who see the wasteful spending in Washington, i.e., keeping down pig smell just to name one.  i know naming more than one would flood your mind!
4.  people who see obama's bills as spending money we don't have.  now because you have a short memory i'll explain.  obama said during his campaign there would be a pay as you go system in his administration.  people don't like his lies, dora!

5.  people who see our freedoms being taken away!

6.  people who see their taxes being raised all across this country and understand that it is just a matter of time before obama will raise their Federal taxes also.  tax increases are inevitable. 

7.  people who are small business owners that are struggling because of obama's policies and lack of knowledge about how businesses are run.  these folks need help to be able to compete and their taxes reduced.  they will then be able to hire more employees.  (economics 101) 

so, Dora you and your shallow minded nasty friends are wrong as usual.  there are folks out here who are true Americans.  They are hardworking folks who obviously understand more than you do.  by the way liberals were in the crowd too!  so what are you saying about your own party?  hmmm!  this is a free country and people have a right to protest if they want to.  that is another freedom that you idiots are trying to take away from the very folks that produce goods and services for our country!

Dora is the pot calling the kettle black and needs to look at herself to show what a miserable person looks like.  wow!  she is judging someone she doesn't know.  ha!  i have said this many times before but i guess i'll say it again because she is slow.  i would not let the likes of her into my home so i really don't know how she gathers such personal information on me since i don't share it here.  i guess she is a part of the wire tapping program obama is keeping that Bush endorsed due to national security concerns?  LOL!

Uhhm, her comments are news worthy and relevant .. how? 
 I must have missed reading Her treatise and or Doctoral thesis on race relations.

anotherVet--lol!  that was a good one!  you know--she is just another liberal that thinks she is intelligent and smart (i have news for her).  they know everything and all you have to do is ask them.  however, they refuse to comment on the facts.  for example,  look at all of the facts on the Obama, Democrats Refuse to Listen to the American People thread.  they refuse to discuss intelligent matters because they can't.  they will not defend any of those positions!  I would like to know when the topic of racism was brought up at the TEA parties?  hmmmmm!  liberals are nut jobs!

It is funny that I just saw a UTube video in which a black man was speaking during the tea party and everyone cheered him.  he was welcomed and racism was not there!  so much for the liberal theory!  go ahead and make fools of yourselves!  my black friends support the tea parties also.  as we know, liberals lie to suit their agendas!  ask them for facts and duh!

Joan and Dora and Janeane are absolutely correct. Saw many Confederate flags at the teabagger protest in Wichita April 15. Explain that away you racist nimrods.

don't know because i wasn't where you were.  i can say that there were black speakers.  explain that you idiot!  there are some people who choose to display their flags or signs that don't have anything to do with any cause, not just this one.  so what?  are you saying the black speakers were racists?  what exactly are you saying?  you can't pretend to be stupid and not know what this is about.  oh and the tea parties were started by someone at msnbc.  i won't say who because i think you can find that out for yourself.  i have listed the premise for the TEA party.  you can choose to believe the party was about aliens for all i care because either way you are wrong.  it is funny that you play dumb to spread lies and hatred and other liberals buy into it.  oh, let me clarify. the liberals that were at the TEA party who were holding up signs in agreement with the protest are an exception.  explain that you jerks!  I am continuely amazed at actually how dumb liberals are!  they don't want to address the real problems of this country.  it is just too easy to make fun of them.  oh and by the way,  people do understand what the boston tea party was all about and it is amazing that liberals have the talent to look inside all of the attendees' heads and know this!  hmmmm!  how stupid but typical!  this goes to show that obama can throw a scraps and shit to liberals and they will grab it everytime and say thanks!  i'm amused!  I guess certain people aren't taught to think for themselves.  I'm so glad I'm not in that category!  liberals=robots=morons=mental patients!

Thats President Obama to you, nimrod.

its a free country and i'll call him what i want.  that is what you liberals can't stand.  the constitution gives people rights.  the laws do not say people have rights as long as they are liberal.  get over it!

The following is an email I sent to  Countdown at MSNBC concerning Janeane Garofalo:

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HELLO

I have some questions for her.  Please tell her she is wacked out on her statements of the Tea Parties.

Racism?  I'm black and from Chicago, the most segregated city in the North. When I was younger in the 60's, a large stone came through our house because we moved into a new neighborhood. (By the way, these were not the "racist Republicans." These were all white Democrats. Were not the white Democrats supposed to love black people?  I have experienced racism up close and personal many times in Chicago, all white Democrats, even on a daily basis at one time. I have even been "Heil Hitlered" by Neo-Nazis.

When it comes to racism, I was out on the playing field getting knocked down for years. She was sitting in the nosebleed section of the bleachers just watching and eating hotdogs and going home unscathed.  Her attempt to somehow sympathize with black people is very pathetic and very phony. She is only fooling herself with her rhetoric.

Racism is only a nice spectator sport for her.

If she really cared about black people, she would have been outraged about the four black students shot in New Jersey where she is from. Three of them died.  But I did not hear a sound from her. As a matter of fact, here is what I found on Google:  "Your search - 'Janeane Garofalo' 'black students shot' - did not match any documents." It was on the news everyplace.  What is she doing to stop the deliberate destruction of the black community? Her actions speak so loud I cannot hear a word she says.

I dare say, if she was offered a million dollars to change her skin color to my color, she would not do it.  Please tell her that for me.

She benefits from the same white privilege that she pretends she is against. How clever. I know blacks much better than her and we can see that through that phoniness, but she cannot. She is completely blind yet touts herself as an expert in racial relations.

If you can give her my phone number I would appreciate it. It is XXX-XXX-XXXX.  She needs to learn what racism is about from one who has experienced it and knows more about it than she would care to know.

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NOW A MESSAGE FOR THE NON-BLACK JANEANE GAROFALO FANS ON THIS FORUM;

The same goes for you. Until you have walked 51 years in my shoes, you are completely clueless about racism. I experienced racism on a daily basis for 4 years when I was in high school in Chicago. When I wanted to visit a white friend in a fraternity at the University of Illinois, I was told by one of the frat brothers "We don't want any trouble here," and he turned me away. I had a racist boss in Ohio and that was not my choice. When I was walking a street in Texas, I heard from a car “Hey, you’re a nigger!” and “Hooray for niggers! Hooray for niggers!” I was even turned away from a motel in Canada because of my skin color. And I repeat, over 95% of racism I encountered was from WHITE DEMOCRATS and not Republicans. What does that say about you?

You all sit with Ms. Garofalo in the nosebleed section of the bleachers while I played on field taking the blows. You think you are the experts in racism? You have the gall to talk about who is racist and who is not. You white Garofalo fans would not trade places with me, to go through what I have gone through and probably will go through. You white Garofalo fans criticize people here on this forum but just like Garofalo, you also benefit from white privilege and you would not give that up yourseves. I was born and raised in Chicago, a racist city, where I heard little boys on the street near White Sox Park say “White Power! White Power!” By the way, that was a 100% Democratic neighborhood.

I have the utmost authority to say who is racist and who is not. I can also tell who are the white phonies who claim they love black people but don't realize they don't fool me. I have lived through racism. You have no authority whatsoever to flippantly call people racist.

 
Sit down and shut up.

Titus, even with your diminished mental capacity and limited information, you should have been able to understand why the word "racist" came into play describing  these  "grass roots"  (FOX generated and ballyhooed) events.  To take it down to your level for your edification, the "racist", "religious bigots" and "redneck"  comments were in response to the signage representation clearly visible at every rally with more than two people.   Signs depicting hate, racism, religious bigotry,  as well as Obama=Hitler signs,  the use of Pres. Obama's  middle name lettered double the size of first and last name,  and confederate flags were more common than not.  There was not a single black person at the event here. I made no comment with regards to other locations- only here.

Contrary to your misguided statements,  no one...NOBODY, Titus- is making any attempt to stifle your ability to protest.   One of the nicest advantages of having freedom of speech in this country is the opportunity for the fringies  (like you, for example) to be able to put their ideas and opinions "out there"- they will survive or die on the vine depending on their value , logic, reason, and authenticity.  Truth be told,  your fringe element died on the vine quite some time ago.  I don't fault you for your opinions, Titus.  I fault you for mouthing KNOWN LIES and your constant embodiment of the "party of NO!"   
Certainly you have heard the phrase "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".  It's a valid point.  You, Titus, are all vinegar.  This is displayed in your comment regarding your absolute refusal to even engage in conversation or have in your home any human that does not represent your political views.  You seem proud to be such a bigot.   You will find your circle of acquaintances rapidly decreasing and your information rolodex   entirely one-sided with such a narrow mind and limited view through your keyhole world.

Interesting that the liberals on this page think no black people participated in the Tea Parties. I am black and was the Keynote speaker at three events. Charlotte April 4, Raleigh April 15 and Edenton NC April 15th. Many blacks were at the Charlotte and Raleigh events. Those who did not come did not want to come.

If you are a black/white taxpayer it hurts just the same. If you are a grandparent you know your child is being rob. Only the haters are trying to change to subject to the differences among us. It will no longer work! We are awaken and we know who you are.

All three of my keynote speeches can be heard from my website.
www.MasonWeaverShow.com

Dodra,

I wonder how many black people you really know.  I bet you have maybe 2 black friends.  Your are a typical ignorant liberal.  Yes, the counterpart to the ignorant "Red Neck", which I will call an ignorant "Blue Neck."

Jeanine Garofalo represents you well.  Tell me what black circles Jeanine runs in or what black person(s) run in her posse.

Here is the real deal.  Garofalo, yourself, and most ignorant Blue Necks are not really interested in black people.  You want to use the notion of racism to allow you to continue to hate people of faith, murder the unborn, have same sex, sex, avoid serving in the military and most obligations normal people volunteer for and to deny others the right to speak and protest who get in your way.  Racism and black issues are your Trojan Horse to allow you to carry out your real agenda. 

I was an actual 60s radical, I was on campus in 69 when the stuff broke out, I have been called nigger, spit on, refused access, and yes it was by Democrats.  You may say that was then this is now but who is denying black kids the right to attend successful schools.  Democrats, & their Uncle Tom President Barack Obama.  But that is another story.

Get  alife



You guys are rally pathetic & I feel sorry for your miserabe state.

CB

The thing that is most upsetting to me and so many is that NBC, MSNBC is perfectly okay with showcasing this racist individual, full of hate speak and filth while at the same time calling this NEWS......
As a whole, the American media is acting like and resembling more and more a subversive entity inclined to support a socialist agenda. Nothing NBC or MSNBC does and or continues to do is surprising. What is equally surprising is that the many, US...do nothing! I respectfully suggest a full blown letter campaign, email or other to continue the spirit of TEA PARTY or to an even greater degree Spirit of America... bombard this network for t5he balance of April...get busy people we have to start somewhere and many of us are started! (http://jeffmorton.blogspot.com/)

I have been saying this for almost a year - the American populace is in a stupor. I don't know what they are putting in the water supply, but nothing...and I mean NOTHING, gets the collective blood boiling. Nobody cares.

Hyde Park, N.Y. is a small and extremely sleepy town not far from Poughcracksie. We have six (6) drug stores, and they are all thriving. Maybe it's not the water. How much Oxycontin does it take to muzzle the population?

CB-  You would do well to speak on items about which you are familiar.  I cannot imagine what you were doing on campus - for it certainly was not taking English courses.   Your writing indicates that you found this an unnecessary tool.  
Your stated that you are a person  who viewed '69 unrest.   Then, perhaps, CB- what you were viewing was me.
I marched with Angela Davis in '68,  fought for Black Studies Classes at my University (yes, we were successful) and listened to Dr. King's "I have a dream" speech in Washington.   Don't you dare tell me thing one about my friends or my background.  
If you plan to continue to flaunt yourself as an individual with beliefs in the manner of Frederick Douglas, Jr, sir-  try emulating who he was- for you are certainly not doing this now.   Quite frankly, you are a fraud.   Your English is a travesty.   Your generalizations in your post ("You want to use the notion of racism to allow you to continue to hate people of faith, murder the unborn, have same sex, sex, avoid serving in the military and most obligations normal people volunteer for and to deny others the right to speak and protest who get in your way.  Racism and black issues are your Trojan Horse to allow you to carry out your real agenda. ") are ludicrous and fallacious.

To: "Hello"

"Sit down and shut up" is the only thing I've read here that makes any sense.

I am white, stupid and lazy...I freely admit I know nothing of racism because I have never experienced it. However, I do have the right, if not the obligation to despise it.

Thank you for your candid and brutally honest remarks. We need more of that here.

Wow,
All I can say is thank-you, thank-you, thank-you to Robert, Mason Weaver, Cb Edwards IV, and J Morton!!  You guys are real American patriots and heroes!!  I have more rrespect for all of you than you can know.  Being black and conservative probably doesn't place you too high on the BHO list of admired people right now.  You have experienced racism all of your life.  Unfortunately, our country has a history of racism which continues today.  I find it interesting that blacks who were persecuted by racist white folks as they grew up are now being persecuted by racist blacks simply because they desire healing for their country, and work to overcome the racial tensions that have existed for so long!  You are strong, intelligent, loving people who are greatly to be admired and I salute you today!!  I want all of you to know how much I love you, and look forward to meeting you someday....whether in this life or the next.  The black racist leaders of our time have cast their lots with the white, liberal racists in order to keep the bonfire of racism blazing for their personal benefit.  This is an abomination, and God will judge them for their deeds.  I'm sure it must anger you to see them continually
(ab)use the words of Martin Luther King, and other great black leaders of the past who loved our country and desired to live in peace with people of all colors and religions.  This is one of the most frustrating things I have experienced in my lifetime, and I'm white!  I can TRULY say that I am not associated with ANY white racists, and that EVERYONE I know desires to live in peace with ALL people in our country.  I know there are still white racists in our country.  I'm not naive and trying to deny that.  But the truth is that there will ALWAYS be haters from every race amongst us, and it is this small minority which keeps the rest of our society in turmoil.  We must ALL come against this vile hatred, and destroy it when we see it.  You, my black brothers and sisters have both a great burden and opportunity to be that healing agent.  I so appreciate everything that you and other black leaders are doing.  Keep up the good work!  We're praying for you!!

Robert asked me to join in on this conversation, but it seems to be inhabited by a bunch of the thin-skinned who love to call others racists because they have the nerve to protest "their" guy (yes, that denotes ownership).
During the campaign, Obama supporters were assign to sites like mine, not to discuss issues, but squelch all dissent (which was previously called "patriotic" when against Bush) by calling it racist. They called me an Uncle Tom because I chose to support someone they didn't authorize.
The real racists in this country are the ones who operate from a condescending white guilt, supporting unqualified candidates and then demonizing anyone who didn't do the same. Here in Massachusetts, we have another David Axelrod creation, Governor Deval Patrick. Thanks to the liberal bleeding hearts, Patrick is the first black governor and will probably be the last. Not because of racism but his incompetentcy.
Obama was, and still is, an affirmative action politician who, based on his qualifications, would have been laughed off the platform had he been white.
The tea parties are a result of his "going too fast", something the left pleaded Republicans not to do in 1994, but now it's okay. Demean them at your own peril.

I think Americans are rising up for the same basic reasons.  We don't like the results of obama's tax and spend policies.  Others will try to turn this into something it is not.  those like dora will continue to cause trouble every chance they get.  spreading hate is what they do best and they are sad individuals.  i'm proud republicans in the senate and congress are finally doing their jobs and are saying no to policies that will hurt the American taxpayers, their children and grandchildren.  as i've said before, both parties have previously had their hand the cookie jar.  however, now the tide is turning.  dora, continue calling us the party of no.  i like the fact that by saying "no," people are finally standing up for what is right!  it is apparent that dora is selfish and has no compassion for those who are and will be negatively affected  by obama's economic policies.  it must be all a game to her.

Mason Weaver -- I am listening to you speak now.  You are really inspirational and are a great American!  Thank you so much!

Good timing...argue racism to death while you're sucking on the tailpipe of a three trillion dollar debt.

An open letter to Janeane Garafalo

(Yes, THE less than A-rated actress & left wing extremist)
I am compelled to reach out to you today and RIGHT a couple of wrongs you hurled at John Q. and Jane Public in your most recent tirade by way of the mainstream media.
First, and foremost, a person is not a “redneck” for simply expressing their freedom of speech and right to an orderly protest. They are in fact red blooded Americans with a passion for what makes this country so great. You remember passion, right? It’s what you likely carried in your heart before your already sky high blood pressure went off the chart.
Second, how dare you accuse these same Americans of prejudice toward a Black President whose primarily White Cabinet is willingly and eagerly following him into this country’s greatest financial demise to date. WE don’t like THEM either.
You, sweetie, are the one who is prejudice. Just because you don’t share our traditional values and conservative thinking doesn’t make you correct OR better than us. Just because your acting career is a fraction of what it once was doesn’t give you the right to seek out your camera time at our expense. GET A JOB. Because, with YOUR leaders at the helm, steering their personal agendas and out of control spending down our throats, we’ll surely crash soon.
And, darlin’, this “redneck” who has lost $100,000 thus far on her south Florida condo wishes to remind you that the real estate balloon filled with sub-prime mortgages only popped in Bush’s administration; it was bought and paid for during Clinton’s. Thank you all yet again for another brilliant plan. Well, at least we have he and Al Gore to thank for the Internet, right?
Regretting I ever watched “The thing about Cats & Dogs”,
A Southern Redneck Republican Lady with Tea Bags on her shopping list

You know, if people would ignore writers like Dora, they would leave a post that they have no business on, and stimulate a healthy conversation elsewhere, like on the " Bush should be assassinated " sites.
Speaking of Bush, let's not put all the Blame on Obama. Blame should be put on Congress as well. The present congress and the Republican controlled congress that was there under Bush. They spent just as poorly and need to be held accountable. Bush also started the Nationalization of Banks. So, While I despise Obama's spending, in holding with truth and fairness, we should be as angry at the former so called conservative president and congress!! Newt 2012 ( a true Conservative ) !!

Dora,

You'll be pleased to know I started back on my meds...much more mellow...but I have a confession. I've fallen head over heels in love with you.

DL Smith:

You are right.  The media sandbagging the "tea baggers" only distracts from the fact that the debt is going up.  Obama inherited a $1.3 Trillion deficit from Bush (who I never voted for.)  But Obama is going to make it all better by spending 3 times as much.  Then the deficits will be $7 Trillion to $9.2 Trillion over the next 10 years. And you can tell us all what that will do to the National Debt.  It will double.

But that off topic and distracting in itself.  This forum is to discuss the rantings of a sick media celebrity who ponitificates as a "civil rights" activist.  I have met the real activists and I have met the phonies.   I know the difference.  She is one of the phonies.

Sorry, ML Smith.

Typical lib hack attack by a washed up MSNBC perv and a Z list wannabe. This is what we can expect from the party of "fairness" and "free speechers". Note to psychotic mentally disturbed Libs: We've only just begun to fight your tyrannical far left attempt to hijack and bankrupt this country.

To Robert

Love is blind.

ML Smith:

Yes I admit I made a lot of stupid mistakes too.

Robert,

Not that stupid.

Does anyone know what this lardacious repobate's e-mail address is?

You don't have a "Bush should be assassinated" thread-  nor have I ever suggested one just as I have not proposed this act of violence on him or anyone else.    Bush, Cheney, and his band of merry men  should be investigated for war crimes.

ML- nice to see your sarcasm has returned.   Now if only you would return the silverware.

Michael,

Bring it here, little boy.

Michael,
perhaps you mean "lardaceous"  ?  
if  you meant  to pen "repobate"  this is urban slang and probably not understood by the readers of this site - if you meant "reprobate" - this is an actual word but it's a  verb not a noun as you have it placed in your sentence.  

Michael, at whom you might have been directing these "words" I am not clear.  I will say, however, that I am a far cry from lardaceous- I am 5'6 and wear a size 7.   I can probably out run you on land, out ride you on a horse,  and out-shoot you with a handgun, a rifle,  a bow and arrow, and a sling shot.   If you saw me,  you most likely make an attempt to  hit on me if your wife was not looking.  Men tend to be consumed with their zipper . So, perhaps, Michael- your words were not meant for me.

Dora,

I sold all the silverware. Sorry.

I voted as low as I could for this post, not that I disagree with you, but that I do not see a reason to give this woman a platform from which to spew her hatred for anyone who doesn't "think" like she does.  The worst thing you can do to anyone who makes an effort to be seen publicly, in hopes of garnering notoriety, even when it is negative, is to ignore them.  Keith Olberman?  Does any Conservative really watch his show?

Please stop giving this woman any smidgen of importance by caring what she says.  If the Conservatives would completely ignore her, she'd only be preaching the atheist Liberal choir.  They, too, would soon grow weary of her.  The ONLY reason they give her the time of day is because of a common goal, to piss off the Christian Conservatives of this world.

I refuse to discuss anything she says because I would care less.  She is not important to anything.

Dora,

I remember sitting in English class in 1969 getting down graded because I chose to capitalize Black as a race vs. a color, Spell Africa as Afrika, and other such no no's.  This was from a teacher that used to refer to us as Nigras.  Maybe you leanred from her.

You may be correct that my grammar, spelling or punctuation are incorrect, however you focus on these things as you have no response to the issues I raised.  You have not addressed one item, substantively, that I challenged you & your home girl Jeanine on.  If you are black and I now use a little "b" then you, my dear, are one of the "New Establishment, New Uncle Toms" that likes to keep the rest of the slaves on the liberal white plantation.

You have no clue regarding Frederick Douglas and what he stood for. He would take you out to the shed and whip your butt for supporting such an ignorant white person as Garofalo.

So sit there in your little miss English expert world and feel comfortable.  I will challenge the New Estalishment and their New Uncle Toms like BO and yourself.

Dora:

Don't we have some unfinished business?  You did not respond to my

reply to you.

I will repeat it here:

Dora:

Let's explore this issue together.

You said:  "interesting, Robert, that you find no problem making

reference to liberal/progressive web sites and blogs if it serves to

make your point- other than this,  these sites/blogs are left-wing

crazies and irrelevant powered by individuals with no scruples, 

morals,  or intelligence that could ever come close to yours.  Rather

selective reasoning, wouldn't you say??"

Here is my response:

I believe you intended to compliment me. You said: “individuals with no

scruples,  morals, or intelligence that could ever come close to

yours.”  In other words, you are saying I have much more scruples,

morals, and intelligence than those “crazies.”  I’m very flattered that

you think so,

However I disagree. Those people are as wise or wiser than I am.  I

think the people on the forum would disagree with you that I’m more

intelligent than they are.  Bud, Titus, etc. are free to put me down

for being less intelligent than those “left-wing crazies” you refer to.

If you remember, you used a "right-wing" news source to make your

point. You had no problem in doing that. You said in #317:
"fact:

"On America's Newsroom, on-screen text falsely claimed that President

Obama's $3.6 trillion FY 2010 budget is "4x bigger than Bush's

costliest plan." In fact, President Bush submitted a $3.1 trillion

budget for FY 2009 and a $2.9 trillion budget for FY 2008."

Is that not your handwriting?

Whether the facts are right or wrong, you used a right-wing crazie

source to make your point.  And on a previous post I used that

off-the-wall left-wing crazie website of the Associated Press, an

organization that no one has ever heard of.  Reference #319.  Here is

an excerpt:  "White House budget chief Peter Orszag (a left-wing crazie

in the White House, of course) said that CBO's long-range economic

projections are more pessimistic than those of the White House, private

economists and the Federal Reserve and that he remained confident that

Obama's budget, if enacted, would produce smaller deficits. Even so,

Orszag acknowledged that if the CBO projections prove accurate, Obama's

budget would produce deficits that could not be sustained."

You did not object to that article. You did not even dispute any of its

facts, such as what the left-wing crazies at the Congressional Budget

Office said about Obama's budget.  Can you dispute any of the facts of

the article?

You object to me using left-wingers to prove my point. And you call it

"selective reasoning."  Since you don't like America's Newsroom, which

I never used, you would object to me using right-wingers to prove my

point, wouldn't you?  If I used only "right-wingers," websites what

would you have said?   That they have no credibility, right?

It is interesting that you are using the language of Sean Hannity and

Rush Limbaugh to substantiate your argument.  You call the sources I

cited "left-wing crazies."  Why?  Because they once supported Obama and

now they do not?  If they had not changed their mind about Obama, would

they have still been "left-wing crazies?  They would have been to many

people on this forum, for sure.  Then you would have objected to

calling those intelligent Obama supporters "left-wing" crazies" right?

For example, in #355 “I Will Follow Him": Obama As My Personal Jesus.”

She is not a left-wing crazie right?  She is a very down-to-earth

rational woman.

But in #397 "I can't believe this. Obama is becoming a Traitor to his

own supporters. I'll admit I voted for him, and yes now I am beginning

to regret it. This is Outrageous! I fell for the empty rhetoric and

slogans, he is continuing Bush policies. Gerald Celente and Jesse

Ventura were right." But he or she is a left-wing crazie, right?

Also is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) a left-wing crazie

organization, ref. 396?

From 394: "Tina Foster, executive director of the International Justice

Network, the New York human rights organisation representing the

detainees, warned last night that 'by leaving Bagram open, the

administration turns the closure of Guantanamo into essentially a

hollow and symbolic gesture.'" Is the International Justice Network a

“left-wing crazie” organization for telling the truth? Or is MoveOn.org

an organization with “integrity” because they stay silent on this issue

while they were screaming about Bush and Guantanamo?

By the way, you missed that I used Townhall.com and

Americaswatchtower.com as sources – right-wing crazies. You cannot say

I have selective reasoning now, can you?  Therefore you should fault me

for using both right- and left- wing websites when it serves to prove

my point. I guess I'm narrow-minded.  I guess I’m very simple minded in

that I use facts from all sides.  An intelligent person would never use

facts, right? But you claimed I was more intelligent than the left-wing

crazies.

Oh before I forget, go to 393.  That real loony, left-wing crazy

website Politico.com wrote:

"Obama has been pilloried by a liberal TV icon who was one of President

George W. Bush’s most vociferous critics, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann.

“'During his run for the presidency, Barack Obama, who taught

constitutional law at the University of Chicago, argued strongly

against the Bush administration’s use of executive authority, including

its self-justification, its rationalization of the warrantless

wiretapping of American citizens,” Olbermann said on his show last

week. “That was then. This is now. ... Welcome to change you cannot

believe in — or sue over.'

Yes, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann is surely a left-wing crazie too, right?

Is he the Worst Person in the World now? I believe that is the only

point that Bud, Titus Hunt, and everyone else on this forum would agree

with you on 100%  It is very nice that we all can be in agreement on

something on this forum.  (Right Bud and Titus?)

You said: “yet you cannot find it in your heart or brain to examine for

scrutiny a single thing, phrase, item, action, of a positive sort to

say about Obama.”

I can say something positive about Obama. He has better abs than I do. 

He produced two beautiful daughters. And I’m getting more impressed

with his wife.

I have one more very positive thing to say about Obama. He put Rev.

Jesse Jackson out of business. You don’t see him in the news anymore.

You don’t even see him in the White House as a guest. Good job, Mr.

President!

By the way, have you noticed I have not said anything positive about

George W. Bush in any way? I never voted for him. My previous

references do not have anything positive to say about Bush either. 

Notice that no one said, "Robert, don't you have it in your heart to

say anything positive to say about Bush?"

Having said that, people on this forum do not have to say anything

positive about Obama.  Pro-Obama forums do not have to say anything

positive McCain, Bush, the Clintons, Palin, conservatives, Republicans,

etc.  You would agree on that, right?  I bet I can speak for all on

this forum in that we do not care about pro-Obama forums not saying

anything positive about McCain, etc.  I can also bet we are not going

to pro-Obama forums looking for something positive about McCain, etc. 

If you are looking for positivity here, you got the wrong drug store.

If you want to find anything positive about Obama go to

BarackObama.com, his own website.

Oh, I just remembered. You will not find everything there positive.  I

found this item there too:

“I cannot understate how disappointed I am in Barack Obama. Torture is

being ignored by an Attorney General I thought was going to be a good

one. He lets Stevens get away with all kinds of stuff and leaves

Siegelman swinging in the breeze after Rove cut him off at the knees.

Obama is acting like Bill Clinton who acted like a Republican. George

Bush is a war criminal and I have heard nothing about what Spain is

doing. Also. many of the cabinet members cannot balance their

checkbooks and we expect them to run the economy. Four Bush hold overs

are dispersing the TARP funds to wall street so Summers can get paid.

Holder and Obama are exactly like Colin Powell, who caused us to get

into an illegal war, and is a coward and a traitor in my book. So

disappointed! Obama has become one of the elites and Michelle, who was

looked upon as a savior of sorts is now trying to be Jackie instead of

acting like the rest of us. It is a shame. I thought we would improve

the country but now it looks like the joke is on us, as usual. By the

way, when is Obama going to let go of the bipartisan canard and focus

on doing what is RIGHT. The Republicans are hateful and are never going

to give an inch. When is Obama going to admit it. If not, he is a

fraud. Looks like the America people are screwed, big time. By the way,

single payer health care is the only way that will help the most

people. Stop the war and spend the money at home and stop the tax

breaks for the rich."
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/l...

Dora, I'm sorry. I take back what I said about BarackObama.com. Don't

go there.  It is a left-wing crazie website “irrelevant powered by

individuals with no scruples, morals, or intelligence.”  You were

right. I was wrong.

You mentioned something about  "poorly formed conclusions, misquotes, 

half-truths."  Can you give me an example of how I poorly formed a

conclusion?  Can you give me an example of a misquote I wrote?  Can you

give me an example of a half-truth I wrote?

Can you dispute any of the facts I put forth previously?  Go back

through the comments and find something.

Let me ask you, when Barack Obama was first elected to the Illinois

State Senate in the mid-90's, did the voters of that district make a

good choice. In other words, was Obama the people's choice above all

the other candidates running against him on the ballot?

One last question.  Do you feel that Obama is continuing George W.

Bush’s policies for the common good?

Thank you for your time.

Well said CB!!

That's II for CB and 0 for Dora.

I for Robert and 0 for Dora

Robert--dora says the same things over and over again with no facts to back them up.  if she responds, it will be with rhetoric.  however, she will never respond when she is proven wrong.  you can point out facts all over the place, and she refuses to see them.  her savior obama is right.  she will be his loyal servant because she is a robot that spews out whatever she is programmed to say.  it is sad and unfortunate.  she is like a snake and will pop her head in to attempt to take a bite if she can, and afterwards she will hide like a coward.

And oh by the way Titus... you suck!

Mason...

The Raleigh Tea Party speech was excellent.  You educated those people that day and all that listen to you.  You are a true credit and blessing to the Conservative cause.  I can't wait to learn more.

Dora...

You apparently attack anyone/everyone and are not here to discuss the issues but rather to promote hatred.

I don't know if you have family but I'd like to say one thing about it if you do.  I'm glad I'm not a member.

I'd feel sorry for any children you might have.  At the very least, they might have to occasionally kiss the same lips where this filth passes through them and at the most, they share your DNA.

Michael, as usual- you missed the point entirely.
"On America's Newsroom, on-screen text falsely claimed that President
Obama's $3.6 trillion FY 2010 budget is "4x bigger than Bush's
costliest plan." In fact, President Bush submitted a $3.1 trillion
budget for FY 2009 and a $2.9 trillion budget for FY 2008."
Is that not your handwriting?
My point in using this "source" was to have been instructional- pointing out that, since you folks tend to get up in anyone's face who mentions Fox- and it's inability to acurately report a news item.  The above item was used on what they comically refer to as a NEWS program... not on one of their talking head shows.

Hannity,  Beck, O'Reilly then take incorrect information and run like hell promoting it-  Gullible souls like yourself watch them repeat what was "reported" by their "news" machine and you figure it to be  true.   This was my POINT.
My reason for not addressing your nonsense post previous to this was that I thought you would have figured it out by now.   I admit that I gave you far too much credit for thoughtful reasoning ability.
ML-  I hope that you got a good price for the silverware.  I shall have to resort to using my spork collection for the time being then.
Leslie- that would be:
Dora 2-
Michael:  still wondering if the easter bunny lives in his neighborhood.
Leslie:  making every attempt to climb intellectual mountains wearing banana slippers.

To Dora: Looks like someone has finally learned how to use her thesaurus....good job...;)
The bottom line is that Jeanine is just like any other smug leftist. If you don't have the same opinion as her, you are an "uneducated" redneck.
VERY small mind.

Dora , you are confused.

I'm Robert, not Michael.  You are the one who used Fox as a news source. I never used Fox as a source, so I don't know what you are talking about.  As a matter of fact, you lambasted me for using "left-wing crazie" websites as sources as well as that left wing news source called  the Associated Press.  Did I quote that source correctly or incorrectly since I quoted the entire article? 

I can't use sources like Fox.  And I can't use left-wing sources either?  You can't have it both ways.

It seems you ignore my other questions to you as if I never asked them.

Do you have a response to all my other questions?  Everyone knows what they are.

Forgot to point out the obvious....there were MANY "blacks" participating in the "tea-party", so how does Jeanine justify her comment that they were all rednecks who hated blacks?

A Black Tells Garafalo Don't Speak for
Him.

Ms Garafalo, HOW DARE YOU! Calling hard
working, decent American taxpayers 'racist tea bagging rednecks'
simply because they protest outrageous government spending is evil.
Your irresponsible divisive accusation fuels the flames of racial
hatred and could inspire violence against whites.

Your arrogance in saying that I suffer
from Stockholm Syndrome because I am a black man who loves his
country and my fellow Americans is beyond measure.

I can not begin to express how
offensive it is for me to hear narcissistic superior liberals
lecturing me on why I should view myself as a victim and hate white
America. You are sick, evil or both.

As a black man, I ask that you please
confine your liberal insulting rhetoric on my behalf to your elitist
cocktail parties where you pat yourselves on the back for the number
of blacks on your guest list.

The American people are good. Obama was
elected president, NOT King. We have a right and duty to protest
against policies we believe to be wrong for America. Why? Because
freedom isn't free!

Your despicable lies only embolden us
patriots to stand tall, united, and strong for America.

Lloyd Marcus, Songwriter & Vocalist
of the American Tea Party Anthem.
President, NAACPC (National Association
for the Advancement of Conservative People of Color)

http://www.LloydMarcus.net

Roland:

It's apparent that you have not been reading other threads where I have posted.   I have addressed the issues on every single thread... directly.   You may wish to amend your accusatory remarks.  
Furthermore,  as with most sites where both viewpoints  are voiced,  those that have nothing to contribute offer up name calling.  This has been the case here towards me from the start.  Titus likes to call me an idiot frequently.  She has used name-calling as her main shield.
Others here - like CB- (and this also includes Titus)  like to push themselves as being educated- schooled in some form of higher learning that places them head and shoulders beyond those of mere mortals- and those stupid liberals.   While spouting their vile towards me and name calling,  they constantly misuse words,  cannot tell the difference between their, there, and they're- to and too- and many other common errors used by individuals who groaned in the classroom when the instructor said "Class,  take out your English books."   These are not spell check errors,  everyone makes errors - transposes letters in their haste to make a reply... these are errors that indicate low level learning. I have said before that it's difficult to take seriously (this is another word misused constantly here) those that deem themselves superior in knowledge, education, and wisdom far beyond mine, demonstrate in nearly every posting that they are, in fact, NOT.   Newspapers have long held the belief that no news article should be written with vocabulary that would stump a sixth grader.  This is why.

Robert, you are correct- you are easily confused with Michael.

So, Dora:

Can you answer any of my left-wing questions?

Dora, I have yet to see you REALLY explain the benefit(or validity) of Ms. Garofalo's hateful comments. Isn't this the whole purpose of this discussion?
And shame on you for resorting to playing the role of an annoying high school english teacher for lack of a valid explaination of your view on this subject.

This is what happens when you cannot identify your very opinions, Michael. 

"interesting, Robert, that you find no problem making
reference to liberal/progressive web sites and blogs if it serves to
make your point- other than this,  these sites/blogs are left-wing crazies and irrelevant powered by individuals with no scruples,  morals,  or intelligence that could ever come close to yours.  (the bold type descriptions are words used here by you folks of the conservative ilk  in your rabid descriptions of liberals...
... for diminutive minds,  I should have used quotation marks-  ML, being the sarcastic one here probably got it )
My confusion regarding Michael and Robert stems perhaps from the fact that one seems to be answering for the other.  No matter.

When do we all wise up and realize that you are playing the suckers for the wealthy, that it doesn't matter whether we are liberal or conservative, as long as we are divided. As long as we fight among ourselves, we won't attack the system that keeps us all down. The same holds true for racism in this country. Division and class war is everywhere. And in the end, I am the liberal bleeding heart, despite the fact that I love this country and will always love it for what it once stood for; we all know the words - they are in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence...words written by people who saw something here that has never existed anywhere else and they tried...they tried so damned hard to get the message across.

Dora, your sense of humor is not lost to me and checking the thread, I can't find any reason to disagree with you. So here's your silverware...polished and sparkling new.

Dora:

Insults will get you everywhere with me!


You use tried-and-true disinformation tactics right out of the playbook from 25 Disinformation Tactics so I'm not fooled.


First you use this one:

"9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

"Example: 'Nothing you say makes any sense. Your logic is idiotic. Your facts nonexistent. Better go back to the drawing board and try again.'"

Then you try this:

"18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

"Example: 'You are such an idiot to think that possible -- or are you such a paranoid conspiracy buff that you think the 'gubment' is cooking your pea-brained skull with microwaves, which is the only justification you might have for dreaming up this drivel.' After a drawing an emotional response: 'Ohhh... I do seem to have touched a sensitive nerve. Tsk, tsk. What's the matter? The truth too hot for you to handle? Perhaps you should stop relying on the Psychic Friends Network and see a psychiatrist for some real professional help...'"


It's not working Dora.  You fool one but yourself.  Your knives are not that sharp.  Your tactics affect me just like a 10-year-old affects me by calling me ugly.

Do you come to a conservative, non-friendly-to-Obama chatroom for the sole purpose of causing trouble, knowing full well what kind of responses you will get?  Are you a masochist?  You get some sort of pleasure from conservatives lambasting you?  You came here on your own.  You have to eat what we serve at our table.



Anyway, can you answer my previous questions?

Kelly-  scroll up.  I addressed the racist signage at the events.  It is understandable  how one might easily conclude that racist people endorsed the very signs in their hands.
When I heard Ms Garafolo's remarks the first time,  I found her to be making broad generalizations, attempting to lump the day's events
around the country as "racist". I disagree with this premise.   Keith was eating it all because he likes to bring people on his show that support his conclusions.  I cannot recall him having viewpoints other than his own represented,  which is why I stopped watching his performances with regularity quite some time ago. When there is a newsy day of some significance, I often will listen to interpretations of others including the conservative voices on television and radio.

Regarding MSNBC, both Rachael Maddow and Ed Schultz bring on guests with opposing viewpoints. Chris Matthews does as well- but manages to interrupt them constantly , which is why I watch his program rarely. 

There is little doubt that the people attended these events around the country last week because they had a beef.  The problem was that they had an incoherent  message.   Billed as a  "tax" grumble,  99.9% of those participating  are getting tax cuts.... So this kind of took the wind from their sails and left them looking silly uninformed, and disorganized.  
Gatherings of this sort generally attract all manner of people with their own agenda and grumbles- as evidenced by the wide range of signage that included depictions of white power, Hitler,  Obama concentration camps,  swastika,  Osama,  Obama as Osama,  Obama bowing,  fetus photos,  gitmo,  anti-homosexual, and many,  many others.   What an observer took from this - in total- resembled what comes out of Michelle Bachman's or "Joe-the-Plumber's" mouth.  Uninformed right-wing noise that was laughable.  
At the same time,  Keith, who again, makes every attempt to ridicule rather than report- took the opportunity to bring on as his guest- a woman who likes to rattle the cages of certain individuals enabled by a host with the same motives.  Guess who won?  Guess who let him do it?

Dora,
I'm not a genius by any means, but I am able to recognize intelligent and truthful people when they speak.  The whole debate between liberal vs conservative principles should not degrade to the level of name calling as liberals seem to always want it to do.  Why is that?  I think Robert and others on here have very eloquently spoken to that end.  After thinking about this for some time I have concluded that liberals are emotional people for the most part, while conservatives are logical.  I hesitate to use the comparison of women vs men, but that is how it seems to me.  It's like any debate/arument that you are involved with.  if you're losing the argument, then the best thing to do is to resort to emotional outbursts and name calling.  If your logic holds up, you usually win the argument.  Now, I'm not saying that we shouldn't be emotionally involved, but emotion without true logic seems to be very empty and desolate.  Without stirring up the hate of class warfare, the liberals would have NO platform to argue on.  Socialism demands that class warfare exist.  How can those rich, successful (may I say white) people be allowed to keep their wealth from those less fortunate?  We need to make sure that doesn't happen!  Elect us and we'll make sure you get what you "deserve".  This is the language of the socialist and/or liberal.  The government should be in charge of everything we do and say.  This is NOT the freedom our country was built upon, and true conservative folks are on the right side of logic with this argument.  So, let's debate the facts with logic, and stop the name calling.  You, Dora have been using your expertise in spelling and grammar as a way to bring others down.  I think Samuel Clemens would be on your list of stupid people if you had one.

It seems that Obama, who claims to be a Christian, is ashamed of the Gospel. He didn't want to appear on TV surrounded by Christian symbols, and worse, a symbol of Jesus Christ's name. Maybe he thought all his non-Christian supporters would be offended. Maybe he thought his new buddies in the Middle East would be offended. At any rate, it wasn't important whether other Christians were offended, or worse, the Lord himself.

Either Obama was ashamed of the Gospel, or "The One" didn't want to have to compete with the True Lord for attention. All eyes and homage needed to be on Obama.

Whatever the reason, on Tuesday, April 14, Georgetown, a Christian University founded in 1789 by the Jesuits, hid the inscription "IHS" at the request of President Obama's staff. "IHS" is short for Iesous Christos - the Greek name of Jesus Christ.

According to Fox News, White House staff asked the school to cover up all religious symbols and signs while the president was on stage. Apparently, they didn't want Jesus' name to show up on TV during his speech. The monogram, which is normally above the Gaston Hall stage, was covered over with what Fox News said appeared to be black wood during the speech.

The White House said that the backdrop, which included blue drapes and American flags, was standard during policy speeches and other events. They insisted that the move was made only to provide a proper setting for the speech -- and said that "any suggestions to the contrary are simply false."

I have to wonder why the founding Jesuits made the decision to decorate the Hall as they had. Do you suppose they put it there during all events, over the head of all speakers, for the very purpose of continutally reminding all those in the hall that Jesus is Lord and the most important factor in all we think do and say? How would the founding Jesuits have felt about the hiding of Jesus Christ's name?

Many a foolish king has decided he's more important than God. If Obama is a Christian, surely he has read and understands the spiritual consequences of pushing God aside in order to puff himself up.

Dora, this should be your kind of gal...

I've been meaning to ask this question...I might as well ask it now.

Have you people lost your minds? Read the thread. Sounds like the psych ward. Mullins...you need help - you've lost touch with reality.

The rest of you are bloody insane. You've practically written the book on hatred and bigotry. There are no liberals or conservatives here...you're all animals.

ML-Sounds a little narrow minded to me. If you were the liberal person you say you are, you wouldn't be prejudice against someone for their Christian beliefs. Bet you wouldn't say that to a person of Islamic or Jewish faith, because for far left people, these are just not politically correct religions to pick on.
Bottom line, Ms. Garofalo was wrong spouting the hate filled trash that she spouted. End of story.

At last, DS- we agree on something.  You are not a genius by any means.
ML- Thank you for the return on the silverware.   Let's do lunch.  Have your people call my people.  You can call them whatever you wish.
The chicken is in the oven and the red dog flies at midnight.
Now, I must continue my subversive activities.
Tally ho!

Dora,

You just proved my point, thank you!  Logic has no place in the liberal mind.  You can't respond logically to any question/comment.  Attack, attack, attack.......that's all you can do.  I don't know anything about a chicken in the oven or a red dog flying at night, but I do KNOW that God is coming again, and that you need to repent of your sins and follow Him as your Lord and Savior before it's too late!  He is patient, but won't wait forever.  He loves you even though you deny His existence Dora.  EVERY kneew will bow and EVERY tongue will confess that Jesus IS Lord, to the glory of God the Father!!

Dora,

You are out of your mind...don't change. Alright, I guess jeans and sneakers are okay. Having read all of your comments, I still have one question. Where the hell are you?

Dora,

REPENT!

smthmort@gmail.com

ML, Dora, I live in reality -- Try it sometimes, it's wonderful!

Bud Mullins lives in reality. He knows about everything that happens on the corner of 161st and Morris in the Bronx. He understands why a mother would give her baby away. He knows about heartbreak, despair, hopelessness and constant fear. How does he know all this? Well certainly he saw combat in Iraq...the really intense stuff. And he works Narcotics for the 40th Precinct in the Bronx. 

He knows human suffereing. He lives in reality.

wow, this Dora chick must be the savior of the world or something. She knows everything. She can shoot, ride a horse, out run us, out spell us oh and apparently she's a hottie and an english major.  Sounds to me like she has no flaws or faults only that she didnt run for president.
 I don't know what to think of this site really nore the whole tax issue we have going on here in this country but I just happened to find this site and read a few comments and noticed ole Dora the know it all has a little something for everyone here. I seems she is by far the smartest and best person here so I guess the rest of us recist rednecks should just hang oursleves in out barns out back.
 Anyway, I am sure she will have something awsome to say about my comments and put me in my place. I really wish I had the time to sit at home all day and think up insults and witty come backs but I have to go out and make $$$ so I can pay my taxes so that illegal alliens can go to school for free while I have to pay $4,800 a semester oh and so people can sit on this site all day and put the world in it's place.
 Lee
 P.S. Dora. I have a research paper due in a couple weeks, do you mind if I send it to you so you can proof it for me. I know if I have you look over it before I send it in I will get an awsome grade!!!

Dora does know everything since she has art history and philosophy degrees!  you know--with those degrees, she is an expert at economics and everything else.  wow!  she is as qualified as obama to be president!  LOL!

God...is everybody here in love with Dora? That's all you people talk about...Dora...Dora...

I'm the one that's in love with Dora.

Lee & Titus, please let Dora alone.  She has no time for foolishness.  She is a true liberal, she spends all her time trying to make conservatives look or sound stupid so she can feel good about herself...  That's the only defense liberals have against personal down fall.  They will never directly answer a question.  Their first line of defense is blast someone else.

Bud,

You are correct. There is quite a lot of blasting going on here. Personally, I find it reprehensible. And you sir, are a complete asshole.

ML Smith:

We respect your opinion. You find the "blasting" going on here reprehensible. Fine.

So why do you come back for second or third helpings of blastings?

Is it that flavorful?  Maybe you should go to more bland websites that are less reprehensible.

If you really don't like what is going on here, I don't see why you always come back.  You act like an abused spouse.

As for Dora,  for your information,  I made some informational postings postings here and she got critical of me.  In turn I asked her some questions.   She did respond.  I asked again and she still did not respond.
Maybe she can't respond.  She avoids rational discourse.  It is no big deal to me.  She came here on her own.  No one invited her. Her opinion of me is none of my concern.

By the way, ML. You just gave the bots and junk mailers on the internet the opportunity to spam your email because you put your email address out on this open forum.

Robert,

It was a joke, Robert...J_O_K_E. Anyone who says blasting is "reprehensible" and follows it up by calling someone an "asshole" can't be serious, can they? Maybe you really are one. 

Thank you for your concern about my e-mail address - it is my spam-mail address, clod.

By the way, Robert, I haven't been blasted on this site yet. No one seems to want to do that with me. I wonder why?

MLSmith--dora blasts me a lot.  she is a wacko and i'm used to it!  however, just to be fair i'll be glad to pass the torch to you!  she is tiring and makes no sense so it is getting boring!  LOL!

Time to get serious here. Who trashed our Constitution...or the Ten Commandments, for that matter? Both documents are strikingly similar in intent and you can find thousands of comparable versions - look no further than the closet you use to store your board games. “Life is but a game.” Shakespeare? Try to imagine a game of Monopoly played with no regard for the rules. Who would win? I suppose it would be the player quickest to put his hand in the money box and claim “This is mine.” That was precisely the kind of behavior going on when God summoned Moses to the top of that mountain; the same behavior that the writers of the Constitution sought to prevent. Unfortunately, neither they nor Moses understood the realities of “possession” and “winning.” Life is a game and it always will be. The rules are followed only to the extent that they guard against chaos, a state of being that makes it impossible to play the game.
The problem inherent in all of this is one of omission. None of our revered documents address the object of the game and no one asks until it is time to die. “Yes, I was happy, but did I win the game?” Humans must decide for themselves what the object is. Some define it in material terms. Some view it in spiritual context - the game has only begun. Others, though there are few, see the object as an affirmation that they did the right thing in the face of temptation to do wrong. These are the same people who play Monopoly by the written rules and refuse to compromise. “Here, these are the rules, see? You cannot put hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place without paying for them.” Perhaps it all boils down to this - what do you want written on your headstone? I would like mine to say “He did the right thing.”
 
“Thou shalt not kill.” Number One on the biblical hit parade, the mandate is addressed in Constitutional law and subsequently modified by various amendments that have changed it from law to very ambiguous rule of thumb. Had the commandment been amended, it would have said, “Thou shalt not kill except under certain mitigating circumstances.” Our constitutional version of the commandments reflects a biblical amendment that may have been considered but was never enacted.
Exceptions: in self defense, war, capital punishment, executive mandate, (assassination) and insanity. That some of the exceptions are insane is not addressed. Mass genocide is a valid exception as a consequence of war. We proved that on August 6, 1945, but the exception only applies to us. The Pope had nothing to say about Fat Man and Little Boy. By association, the implication is that God himself approved. To put it as bluntly as I can, we ran with it...pushed it to the extreme - God is on our side. Again, there has been no objection from the Vatican.
Notwithstanding the Constitution and the Ten Commandments, we also have sins - seven of them to be exact. For all practical purposes, they are little more than folklore. No one pays any attention to them and some of them are actually revered, although the names have been changed to protect the guilty. Greed? No problem - it is Ambition, fundamental to capitalism. Sloth? A sin attributed to the poor. A wealthy man may be as lazy as he wishes - sloth is his privilege, earned by way of greed. (Ambition) If you take the time to read through the list of deadly sins, you will see that all of them are subject to interpretation; viewed as rules, some are deadlier than the acts specified and most, thank God, are either invalid or at most controversial in today’s society. You may commit some of these “sins” without fear of punishment or retribution of any kind. Although biblical references imply severe punishment in the hereafter, you can wipe the slate clean through the simple act of “confession,” which requires only a verbal admission of remorse.
Thus, a man with bigotry and hatred in his blood and a history of greed and sloth can evade punishment and be absolved in a minute. The man needs a good lawyer and a priest. That is all.
So tell me, friend, what is it that you want? Surely it must be more than what you have. How badly do you want it? Are you willing to take the risk; to abandon what your heart tells you is right for the thing you want most? Are you willing to consider the realities? Please - allow me to enlighten you.
 
YOU MAY HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT
THERE ARE CHILDREN WHO WILL NEVER BE LOVED
TAKE WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WISH
THINK NOTHING OF THOSE WHO SUFFER
REVEL IN THE PLEASURE OF YOUR PURSUITS
A FATHER WATCHED AS HIS CHILDREN WERE THROWN IN A DITCH AND KILLED.
THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER
ONLY ONE MAN CAN SPOIL YOUR PARTY
HE WROTE THIS:
 
Each day I suffer.
Pain.
Heartbreak.
Loneliness.
Fear.
Dread.
Each day brings with it a new torture of mind and body.
Each day I remember those who judged me.
Each day I thank those who cut me loose and sent me to the forest of my nightmares.
Each day I walk through that forest, now without fear.
Each day I grow stronger.

Chaos is my playground.
And bigotry and hatred are my tools.
What rules do we fall back on to protect us from chaos? So far, we have been lucky. The wheels of justice continue to turn, but they are corroded. The products of our judicial assembly line are unpredictable and corrupt. We see the results as an acceptable mutilation of values and beliefs that provided the glue necessary to hold our society together. We would never knowingly allow an auto mechanic to use Elmer’s to seal a head gasket, yet we have no quarrel with societal binding that has about as much holding power as scotch tape purchased at a dollar store.
I do not know that anyone is particularly concerned about this. I’m not even sure that anyone is aware of the problem. It scares the hell out of me. Ø

To Titus Hunt

Thanks for the heads up, but I think Dora is the only one here making any sense at all. She has not attacked me and I doubt that she will. After all, I did return all of her silverware.

She is not a whacko, but then who wouldn't get a little squirrily on this thread? 

I fell in love with her words...Dora has what I would term an unbreakable spirit. And I am a conservative, by the way. Some of us actually think.

ML Smith--You are right in that our constitution has been trashed.  i'm also extremely concerned about the head of homeland security's latest debacle.  insulting our military is one of the worst things this stupid administration could do.  how in the hell did this happen?  i think the folks in the military will now think twice about signing up again or recruits signing up to begin with.  there will be folks  that will lose all respect for this government and not want to serve under this idiot.  obama is silent, of course.  the apology was lame!  i am totally disgusted!

Titus,

The head of Homeland? The man has quite an operation going there. You know, that piece I just wote will get me on the list.

Meanwhile, lunatics are out there making dirty bombs.

Dora is playing "Ropea Dope" with you guys on this site. It is the oldest lib trick in the book. Call you names and get you to stop discussing the issues and start defending yourself. Now we are spending our time talking about her and not taxes, budget or other important things. Do not fall for get. Get back on issues, it does not matter if we are all racist it only matters if we are correct on the issues.

Factds are like bricks to the heads of liberals, keep throwing bricks. Mason

ML Smith--i think i'll be on there too.  my  previous posts definitely let people know that i dislike obamas policies and lack of leadership.  since there was no evidence presented that people were dangerous and they had cause for concern, i guess we are now giving up another freedom?  if we disagree with obama, we are radicals.  apparently, all of our military is now suspect.  her apology didn't go over very well, especially since the report still stands!  i think we really haven't seen the most radical initiatives yet.  everyday i wonder how much more is is going to do to further the destruction of our nation.  I am sickened by it!

ML, I to am a conservative.  At first I thought about a debate with another conservative on this site to discuss some of the things you just posted.  Your post was well worded but if your comment depicting me as an "asshole" was the biggest compliment to anyone your character could muster up, I will accept it as such.  Sorry I cannot, at this time, return an equal compliment.  You have not, as of yet, risen to that level of character with me.

I don't know what window you look out of while you write your posts on these sites but it couldn't have much of a glow to it.  You see, I have read your post, on other sites of course, almost word for word.  (They were not written by you.)  So, you must be following in someone's foot steps to this point.  (That's a compliment because I do it to.)

I will take your suggestion of let's get to some real debate here and be Americans.  Let's quit the name calling and the correction of spelling and all the other garbage only "Idiots" can muster up.  Let's get to some kind of a solution to all those things you just mentioned.  We can do that only by communicating with each other on a level of "Communication!"  Let's leap out of the "Idiot" pan and into the ring of "Real Debate."

OUR FIRST ITEM OF DEBATE: We have a President that seems to not understand anything about this country, our constitution and won't listen to anything the common person says.  He continues to do everything he brought to the White House with him.  (Politics out of Chicago.)  He has a bunch of seemingly even minded people in Washington planning all his moves.  We have a 95% radical liberal bias news media that will not report anything that administration does.  WHAT DO WE DO?

Mason,

Incredible statement! "It doesn't matter if we're all racist." You really went and did it, didn't you? Providing libs with all the ammunition they need, they'll have a field day with that one. Are you tuned in to the same station we are or are you receiving signals from Uranus?

It does matter if we're racist. Do us all a favor and get the hell off this site. Thank you.

Bud Mullins,

My posts appear almost everywhere. I write them...no one else. I work as an Op-Ed columnist and I don't need to plagiarize someone else's work.

We can have some good dialogue, but you need to retract that statement. Accusations of plagiarism are serious and if they are frivolous, you open yourself to litigation...which I would not hesitate to initiate.

My posts appear in Townhall, Blogspot, and here. Would you like to see the original article...it was published months ago. If you do not retract that accusation, you will see the article whether you want to or not.

Someone attempted to use the word "nimrod" as an insult.  The joke is on him because Nimrod was the absolute ruler of the civilized word thousands of years ago.  Nimrod was also a black man.

So to call you a Nimrod makes you are a powerful rule.

Also there was something about Confederate flags?  Where were the white sheets and hoods?  You have to do better than focus on only one venue when there were many many venues across the nation.  Identify overwhelming numbers of Confederate flags at every tea party and give sources for photos, then we can have a conservation.

That's Not My President. It is an Obamanation.

To: Urbanconservative
From: ML Smith
Subject: Post #93
Date: 4/20/09

I think UC needs to put some pressure on this man. He has crossed a line that I am sure you do not condone.

ML Smith,
Mason wasn't saying that it is ok to be racist.  He was saying that racism isn't one of the issues we were discussing.  ML, I have debated you on here before, and I don't believe that you are a true conservative.  It seems to me that your goal is only to stir up discontent and create confusion.  I went to your website and read your bio.  I feel sorry for you Michael.  You have obviously experienced a lot of pain and disappointment in your life, and I would like to introduce you to the one who can help you.  Jesus died for you Michael.  He loves you and wants you to get to know Him.  If you do, you will see how much He loves and cares about you.  You mocked me when I told Dora to repent.  I let it go then, but that is only one example that tells me you aren't a serious person.  I believe you may be very intelligent, but you are NOT intellectually honest, and that makes you unbelievable.  Take a stand Michael.  Choose today whom you will serve.  Will you choose God, or man?  Will you choose God's ways or man's ways?  I implore you and Dora both to repent and believe today!!   By the way, your post (87) was quite philisophical, but it was filled with lonliness, pain, and misundertandings of God's Laws.  Check out the site below and find out what the Ten Commandments are really about.

http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-commandments.htm

M.L. Smith:

Let me tell you about Mason.  A racist white guy tried to murder him decades ago by dropping almost a ton of steel plates on him.  After that incident Mason hated whites. He even broke up with a girlfriend because she had a white dog!  He became a "whitey-hating" black militant.

But in the meantime he came to Christ and learned to let go of his hatred. Mason learned to forgive.

What he meant was even a broken clock is right twice a day.   If the Grand Wizard of the KKK looks at his watch and Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam looks at his watch and they both have the correct time, there is nothing to debate about.  They are both right on the time issue.  They may be right on other issues as well.   By the way the Grand Wizard of the KKK has actually donated money to the Nation of Islam. Why do you think that was?

Last word: You have a lot of nerve to tell people to get off websites you do not own or have control over.

ML, where's the debate.  I thought so, just more left sided threat to clear one's self.  You might be on the wrong end of the Internet.

Bud Mullins #93

If you have seen my work under any other name, I would like to know who that is. Writing for a living is hard work. I might be able to retire early.

Now, as to the issue...I called you an asshole because you present yourself that way. You have a tendancy to come off the top with statements that have no substance. Research might be a good idea for you. You're going to need to do some anyway.

Bud, do you know what this thread is about? It most certainly is not a consevative vs. liberal issue. Racism knows no idealogical bounds - it is born of hatred and ignorance. This line of comments is a travesty...completely ignoring the single most destructive movement in this country and if you think ethnic cleansing is beyond the scope of America's plan for the future, think again. History repeats. 

America was built on sweat and determination, underpinned by ideals that no longer apply to our actions. Yes, we were a land of miracles. It is time, once again.

ML,  On a serious note, I want to thank you for continuing to post on this site.   You display an interesting insight, a dark sense of humor with just enough sarcasm and irony sprinkled among your words to make subtle yet salient points.  There are times , however,  I see that your words are a little out of reach for some of the participants here. 

I have enjoyed your musings.   Just curious,  have you ever viewed the film: "Why We Fight"?  (2005, directed by Eugene Jarecki)?

Dora,

   I have not seen "Why We Fight," but I will. Thank you for your kind words. Honstly, I fell in love with your words and your spirit. I know I need not worry that the sub-human intellect here will chase you. It's good to see you back today. 

   Speaking of why we fight...I know the amber waves of grain exist, but they are far away...in a land still untarnished by progress - the thing we cherish most even if it comes at the expense of beauty.
 
   Racism and oppression didn’t start in America. The earliest settlers of our nation came to escape the hopelessness of bigotry and ignorance, and they came because they had heard of a land almost too beautiful to imagine, a land of unlimited resources and opportunity. Despite the hardships that accompanied settlement in an uncharted land, they did something so monumental that schoolbooks cannot find the words to describe the miracle - they forged a new nation. The books our children read speak of farming, logging, trapping and a myriad of other endeavors requiring men and women to reach within for every ounce of will, sweat and toil. Sadly, the history books overlook an astounding miracle of creation. Imagine it for a moment. America. There can be no comparisons; the miracle is as unique as it is astonishing. It has never been duplicated...at any time, anywhere. From the heart and soul of man's imagination, a nation was created, forged in the image of dreamers; people willing to brave staggering adversity. America! A nation where a man could worship without fear. America! A nation where a poor man could become wealthy...a nation that allowed a man to speak his mind freely. Yes, America, new home of the brave and land of the free...a land of amber waves of grain and purple mountain’s majesty, a land that offered the impoverished and the disenchanted a fresh start.
 
   July 4th celebrations can never do justice to the miracle. On that memorable day in 1776, a brash and determined group of colonists had the audacity to declare this nation's independence from tyranny. The events that led to that momentous declaration have been forgotten by many, but I remember them as if they happened yesterday. Why? My answer is simple - I can write this, my editor can approve it, my paper’s publisher can print it and you can read it; without fear of that dreaded knock that has become engraved in history’s dark catalogue of oppression and terror.
 
   The British believed that they could win a war by invading, pillaging and plundering everything that the people of this land had worked and died to create, a land that men of wisdom and foresight would ultimately protect with concise, powerful and beautifully written words. The words are still embedded in our culture, as they were intended. We know the words, but we have lost sight of the message. The result is painful to contemplate - we are repeating the mistakes of our oppressors.
 
   History proofs the equation; the futility of Britain’s attempt to invade. With more than ten times the military might, they failed miserably. One might wonder how this was possible. There is no mystery to it - try to invade a man’s home and you will understand. Sadly, we have forgotten and no longer comprehend the power of belief; the awesome might of heart that causes people to defend the very values their predecessors sacrificed their lives to protect. Within that memory lapse lies the beast, for we selfishly assume that only our values are inalienable. The British made the same mistake and we drove them out with their tails between their legs. Hitler assumed and lost for the same reason. We assumed and paid dearly in Vietnam, but we are poor historians. The assumption has become reality again, as we invade, pillage and plunder just as His Majesty’s army attempted three centuries earlier.
   Iraq may not have amber waves of grain or purple mountain’s majesty, but it has its own beauty, even though we are unable to recognize it. In the midst of its own civil war, the people of Iraq will eventually prevail, and until they do, sufficient reserves of belief in their values will protect them from the “Redcoats.”
 
   Our miracle has been tarnished. We are now the invaders, attempting to mold the world in our image. Telltale signs that we are headed in the wrong direction are everywhere. Take a close look, while you hold your breath, and you will see the signs on the New Jersey Turnpike as you pass through Elizabeth and Rahway. Miles of refineries pour out their poisonous stench from endless rows of smokestacks. Clearly, this was not what the early settlers of this country envisioned. But then they could never have imagined how important it would be to produce gasoline, a substance to which we are hopelessly addicted. Our dependence on internal combustion blinds us to alternatives that already exist, yet we continue to pay a high price for our unwillingness to change. Our freedom to drive gasoline guzzling automobiles enslaves us to tyrants who dine on caviar and pay billions for thoroughbred racehorses and arms that we willingly sell to them. Compromise is easy, and within it is the breeding ground for racism and all of its spin offs...most notably our treatment of those who are different in their beliefs and values.
 
   America’s racism extends far beyond issues of black vs. white. We find it convenient to think of Iraq as a nation, but this is not reality. Iraq is a state, as is Iran, Dubai, and all of the imagined separated states that comprise the Middle East. Call it whatever you choose, but understand one thing; our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan are in fact invasions of a nation that will fight to the death to protect what they rightfully own. Would Washington, D.C. look the other way if Iran invaded New Jersey? As a nation under our Gods, we worship consumption and we ignore the fact that our gasoline is refined from oil owned by a culture enraged; a culture compelled to protect, defend and attack, even if the provocation is imagined or perhaps born of fear.
 
   People do not blow themselves to bits for no reason. As a nation, we have refused to question this. There is more to terrorism than the act itself. The behavior is sick - as is racism...both are diseases that undermine humanity and threaten everything sacred.
   When do we attempt to cure the diseases instead of attacking the symptoms?
   The diseases may be terminal.

ML, I apoligize for my failure to recognize the intellect you portray.  For that, I am truly sorry for my mistake.  On the other hand, I have been visiting these sites for quite awhile and have witnessed first hand, as I am sure you have, of the real rear ends that frequently visit and leave their little nasty trails.

I would like to be serious about making a difference but like a lot of others, I am almost at the end of my trail in being effective.

Please feel free to click my name and visit my site.  I welcome your comments.

Bud,

I am by no means an intellect and hope that I don't portray that, although I appreciate your acknowledgement. If anything, I learned to write under fire...literally. Truth be told - I don't know how to write according to the rules. My editor gave up a long time ago...one word sentences no longer bother him.

What I write here is a reflection of my life...I've seen too much and done things I can never atone for. Sometimes I think my demons are winning, but then along comes Dora and its all worth it again.

One last humor break.


Michael W. Smith entered the world at 2:56 am on July 7, 1976. Since then, he has caused nothing but trouble - bucking the system and refusing to bend to authority.

Highlights
August 11, 1988

April 28, 1992

February 2, 2000 -

September 19, 2002 - Iraq

November 17, 2004

March 21, 2005

April 20, 2005

January 4, 2007

June 15, 2007

Personality Profile

Unpredictable, enigmatic, simple-minded, idiotic, brilliant, funny, sad, (often wakes up crying in the middle of the night) aggressive, passive, passive-aggressive, independent, needy, loving, distant, and when necessary, completely devoid of Ruth. Hates Racism 
 
- transferred to South Bronx, 40th Pct. Narcotics - promoted to Lt. Det. Hmcd, Manhattan North- Admitted to St. Francis Hospital’s Psychiatric Unit - diagnosis...PTSD. Discharged April 20, 2005, after asking Cynthia R. if he could borrow her vagina. His comment: “It wasn’t like I was going to steal the damned thing, for God’s sakes.” - published in Newspeak, “Hitler Spoke Yiddish.”- published in Technology Yesterday, “The Effects of Space Travel on People with Irritable Bowel Syndrome.” - Disobeyed Rules of Engagement; killed an Iraqi Colonel during a covert operation that never happened. Subsequently captured, tortured, escaped and finally rescued by a chopper pilot who disobeyed orders and waited an extra 30 seconds. “I cried for the first time since I was a small boy, and through my tears I saw the SAM meant for us explode into a hillside.”Published an article in the National Preview, providing unshakable evidence that Barry Manilow is the most dangerous man in America.- In a school book report on Moby Dick, portrayed Captain Ahab as a pedophile.- With 3000 feet of string, Mr. Smith sent a frog on an experimental kite mission. Froggie suffered an untimely death when the string snapped.

ML Smith (Michael),
Can you provide me some links to articles and blog posts that you have written as stated below?  I would like to check them out, espcially the Townhall article.  Thanks. 

My posts appear in Townhall, Blogspot, and here. Would you like to see the original article...it was published months ago.

The only Michael W. Smith that I can find is a well-known christian singer.

Michael, so far we have two things in common.  I believe we are both conservative and we were both born on the 7th of July.  Freaky huh?

DS,

What original article? If you're talking about "Who Trashed the Constitution" (it was originally titled and published as "Who Killed The Constitution," but a book by the same name caused me to change the title) and its the same as the one that appears here, you are in a world of trouble. Hopefully I misinterpreted your statement.

http://wordmonster.blogtownhall.com
http://spacerangers.blogtownhall.com
http://500000mgsisntenough.blogspot.com
http://inhumanityandinhumanity.blogspot.com
http://200mgsisntenough.blogspot.com
http://smithworld.blogtownhall.com
http://blogwars.blogtownhall.com

...or just type ml-Smith into your browser and take your pick. Don't get bent out of shape by the "w." ML sounded better as a pen name.

Who the hell are you, anyway? You wouldn't happen to know where my grandmother's orthopedic shoes are, would you?

Bud,

That isn't as freaky as it seems. At 365-1 it would be a good bet, but the true odds are closer to 16-1. A lot of people were born on July 7th. It is a weird coincidence, but just about everything on here is weird.

ML (108),
Thanks for the links.  I went there to see your work.  But I didn't see any articles on the Constitution you talked about.  I did enjoy the reading them, but they merely re-enforced my statements in (98) about your comments in (87 and 94).  You are definitely an intelligent and talented writer ML, but your attempts to mix satire with truth make it a little difficult for me to understand who ML Smith really is, and what he really believes.  Again, if your bio is truthful, then you must have experienced some pretty stressful things in life which have caused you to be the complicated and troubled young man that you are.  I would love to sit down with you and discuss politics, sports, or just plain life.  I suspect that I wouldn't be able to keep your interest very long as I'm not nearly as educated and polished as you are, but I do have something to contribute.  Could you do me a favor Michael?  Could you set aside your sarcasm for a moment and simply tell me why you consider yourself a conservative?  What conservative principles do you espouse, and which ones do you disagree with?  Since your comments have usually been supportive of liberals on this site such as Dora, and antogonistic with conservatives such as Bud, Mason, and Robert, I'm a bit confused as to where you really stand.  And I also read on one of your blogs what you thought of God, that he was the slob next to you on the bus.  I'm not sure how to interpret that.  Could you enlighten me please?  I provided you a link to the All About Truth website where the Ten Commandments are listed, along with references to what Jesus said about them.  Did you check it out?  If not, here is the link again.  I would like to have more dialog with you about spiritual things.  I sure would love to see you use your gift of writing for His glory Michael.


http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-commandments.htm

Just listen to the replacements for God at schools program$: sodomic hip hop rap prision-travesti "folKlore" "cultures" (no God at school is another megagravant for bhorg$, with rudycrue libprogram, with taaadaaa: chavez's new guest: the ayers of $auron, yes, today, self chavezmedia announced)...
   I'm not strawberrywhite, but 2 of my birthland best friends where brownies as the president, the youngest from the party which traditionaly pursue "my" (already "legaly" changed direction, as 3 times "last century"), I cryed both deaths as brothers from the stars, in fact, "my" "teapartypiooner-kind" of e-battle for the ideas is in fact based on "my"  opinion of their deaths, both anti-castrist activists,  very "popular" dictatorship's sample terror state deaths "thay need to spread the power"...

DS,

They keep flunking me. You'll just have to draw your own conclusions. I really don't care that much what labels people pin on me.

You're gonna' want to flunk me on this one, UC.

What...if anything, is happening upstairs here. You e-mail #111? Are you nuts?

DS,

I side with people that have some respect for the sanctity of life and liberty.

The slob on the bus was from "One of Us" by Joan Osborne. Just lyrics, DS.

ML,
If you're serious about siding with people who respect the sanctity of life and liberty, then I don't see how you could support people like Dora and/or may I say MOST liberals that I know.  They do neither!!  And, of course it would really help to know what your definitions are for freedom.  Sanctity of life "seems" straight-forward to me.  You are against abortion and euthanization I presume. 

So what do those lyrics mean?  I'm not familiar with that song, but I'll see if I can find the lyrics myself.  Do you support the meaning of the lyrics of the song?

DS,

I don't stereotype people. When did I say I support Dora? I said I fell in love with her.

I don't like killing babies. I am ok with euthenasia. You can't pigeon hole me.

I believe in God. I don't know who he is.

ML,
I'm just trying to get a better handle on who you really are, that's all.  You say you're conservative, and that you didn't say anything to support Dora, so maybe I misunderstood your posts below?

(64) - And in the end, I am the liberal bleeding heart,
(64) - Dora, your sense of humor is not lost to me and checking the thread, I can't find any reason to disagree with you. So here's your silverware...polished and sparkling new.  I'm not sure what the silverware staement is all about, but I guess you invited her to stay and eat?
(73) - You are out of your mind...don't change
(74) - Dora,
REPENT!
smthmort@gmail.com
(79) - God...is everybody here in love with Dora? That's all you people talk about...Dora...Dora...I'm the one that's in love with Dora.
(81) - Bud,
You are correct. There is quite a lot of blasting going on here. Personally, I find it reprehensible. And you sir, are a complete asshole. 
(88) - To Titus Hunt
Thanks for the heads up, but I think Dora is the only one here making any sense at all. She has not attacked me and I doubt that she will. After all, I did return all of her silverware.
She is not a whacko, but then who wouldn't get a little squirrily on this thread? 
I fell in love with her words...Dora has what I would term an unbreakable spirit
(103) - Honstly, I fell in love with your words and your spirit. I know I need not worry that the sub-human intellect here will chase you. It's good to see you back today. 
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Now, you don't like killing babies, but you're ok with euthenasia?  That seems to support only partial sanctity of life.  Are older, wiser people not important to you?  Have you bought into the "quality of life" lie from the left?  I hope not.  EVERY living being is precious in the sight of God Michael.  I'm not trying to pigeon hole you, just reasoning with you.  And finally, you say that you believe in God, but don't know who he is.   How much seeking have you done?  I think Jesus made it very clear who God is in the following. 

John 14:6-7 (New International Version)

 
 6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[a] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

You can KNOW who God is today Michael!  He will make Himself real to you if you ask.  Test Him Michael.  Ask Him to make Himself known to you.

Thank you DS for chronicling my comments. I guess I lied. We all have reasons for that. 

You will not know me. No one does. You can keep a log of everything I say...it won't make any difference. 

I am not ready to meet God. I don't care how he's dressed.

ML,
As I said in one of my first posts to you, I feel sorry for you because you must have experienced a lot of pain and disappointment in your very short lifetime.  Or is your pride getting int he way?  You seem to be really proud about your intellectual capacity and writing skills.  Is your human success getting in the way of you knowing God?  You said you believed in God.  Was that a lie as well?  Why do you believe it is ok to lie Michael?  Should we believe anything you say since you have admitted that you lie when it is convenient for you?  That is a lack of character Michael.  You may go somewhere in this life playing that game, but you know the end.  Turn around (repent) before it's too late Michael.  Take my challenge.  Test God Michael.  He's up for it.  And Dora, I challenge you as well.

DS,

Get lost. Comprende? Fuck off.

To: UC

Stop sending me that shit!

ML,
Guess I hit a nerve huh?  That's ok, I'll let up Michael.  But think about everything I said when you go to sleep tonight. 

Now, can all of the rest of you liberals please stop sending us your shit as well, unless of course you are willing to hear the truth about how lost you are. 

Good night Michael.

DS-  You have an affliction commonly known as
inyourfacebiblethumperorium.   You are like the pesky waitress who insists you need to have the beef stew and a slice of pie when all you want is  hot tea and a quiet table.
I don't want your bible  constantly pushed in my face. 
I have not done anything wrong therefore I don't need your forgiveness.   I don't give a wit about your religion.   I consider your beliefs nonsense so your urgency to "save" me from myself  and your god's wrath have no meaning.  What you are is annoying.

DS,

I really don't give a flying fuck what you think...you assume far more than you know...go away. You hit a nerve alright...the one that tells me you are deranged. Take your bibles and sermons and shove them up your ass. Now, see how nice I can be?

Dora,

Just what we all need - a bible thumping imbecile selling snake oil on a conservative website where everyone is silently afraid they'll be next on his list. 

I hope he doesn't put a curse on me.

On a happier note from the left-wing news source no one has heard of and no one pays attention to anyway -- The Associated Press:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/SPIN-METER-Saving...

SPIN METER: Obama's latest budget-tightening effort hardly makes a dime's worth of difference
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Cut a latte or two out of your annual budget and you've just done as much belt-tightening as President Barack Obama asked of his Cabinet on Monday. <!--- Insert the sidebar information -->
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The thrifty measures Obama ordered for federal agencies are the equivalent of asking a family that spends $60,000 in a year to save $6.
Obama made his push for frugality the subject of his first Cabinet meeting, ensuring it would command the capital's attention. It also set off outbursts of mental math and scribbled calculations as political friend and foe tried to figure out its impact.
The bottom line: Not much.
The president gave his Cabinet 90 days to find $100 million in savings to achieve over time.
For all the trumpeting, the effort raised questions about why Obama set the bar so low, considering that $100 million amounts to:
--Less than one-quarter of the budget increase that Congress awarded to itself.
--4 percent of the military aid the United States sends to Israel.
--Less than half the cost of one F-22 fighter plane.
--7 percent of the federal subsidy for the money-losing Amtrak passenger rail system.
--1/10,000th of the government's operating budgets for Cabinet agencies, excluding the Iraq and Afghan wars and the stimulus bill.
Obama only asked his Cabinet secretaries to identify waste in their annual operating budgets, which total a little over $1 trillion. He's leaving out war costs, the economic stimulus measure, the Wall Street bailout and benefit programs like Social Security and Medicare.
THE SPIN:
"He will challenge his Cabinet to cut a collective $100 million in the next 90 days," said a White House news release. "Agencies will be required to report back with their savings at the end of 90 days."
"I'm asking for all of them to identify at least $100 million in additional cuts to their administrative budgets," Obama told reporters afterward. "None of these things alone are going to make a difference, but cumulatively, they would make an extraordinary difference because they start setting a tone."
THE FULLER STORY:
Obama's marching orders to the Cabinet on Monday were less than meets the eye. Many of the savings he asked them to achieve are already under way and are included in the calculation.
To be sure, this is an extra effort, on top of an agency-by-agency review of programs and proposed multibillion-dollar cuts in weapons programs. But it is decidedly marginal.
"It's always a good sign when the president is talking about savings," said Marc Goldwein, policy director of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan group that advocates fiscal discipline.
"It's valuable as a symbol," he said, "but $100 million is just not going to cut it."
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs defended the $100 million target, saying it's not the full extent of Obama's cost-cutting efforts. He called it "a short-term goal ... to identify further administrative savings" and added: "$100 million may not be a lot to people in this town, but I think it's a lot to people who live in this country."
Republicans were quick to point out that borrowing costs for February's stimulus package will on average cost almost $100 million a day over the next decade.
In large measure, the examples of economizing given by the White House were of the painless, seemingly commonsensical variety. They were not the program cuts that people feel and that budget-watchers say are essential to make a meaningful difference in the exploding deficit.
Some of them will take many years to play out.
The Agriculture Department, for one, will move 1,500 employees from seven leased locations into one place in early 2011, saving $62 million over 15 years.
Some are hard to quantify.
Will buying multipurpose office equipment, such as a combined copier, printer, fax and scanner all in a single unit instead of separate units, really save the Homeland Security Department $2 million a year over five years?
Some are microscopic. The White House estimates savings of tens of thousands of dollars from freeing up warehouse space stashed with obsolete equipment that had been used by a federal entity few people have heard of, the Bureau of Information Resource Management.
And some raise eyebrows at wasteful practices of the former administration.
The White House says Homeland Security, the third largest federal department, has not been buying most of its $100 million a year in office supplies in bulk.
The administration thinks it can save $52 million over five years with bulk-buying bargains at the department.

Robert--This is just like the $13/week tax cut.  It is not much more than a $1/week, but it fulfills his campaign promise.  obama is laughing at the people who are buying into his scheme.  He throws them a bone and scraps and they love it!  He might as well as given them $.25/week because struggling families are not going to be able to accomplish anything with either amount.  Oh, I forgot for a minute that he is not really serious about helping the middleclass.  It is all a joke!  The used car salesman promised he would cut spending and is now making a less than half-assed attempt to do so, and the liberals are taking the bait!  If he were serious about healing this economy, the stimulus package would not have been signed.  He would have actually shown leadership if he had told the senate and congress that he would veto any bill with unnecessary spending and followed through with it.  ha!  we know that is not going to happen because he is not a leader.  He is merely a puppet for pelosi, reid, dodd and frank.  There were numerous small business owners at the different TEA parties that were being interviewed.  They said they were struggling to survive and were going to have to shut their doors.  It is very evident by the state of the economy that this is true.  obama promised to be the leader of all of us and guess what?  This was lie number 1,423,235 and counting.  Of course, I haven't kept an account of all of them, but they are mounting into a huge number by now!  So the dumbing down of America continues............................  I'm going to throw now!

I meant I'm going to throw up now.  I get sick to my stomach when I think about what that idiot is doing to destroy our country.  The solutions to this mess are simple, but the liberals love this drama!

ML and Dora,
Now why did you have to get me going again?  ;-}  You couldhave left it alone and I "might" have been quiet for awhile, but you just stirred up the Holy Spirit within me.  Dora, you say that you have done nothing wrong?  And ML, you need to hear this as well.  You can't lie to God like you do with man.  He is there when you don't even know it....kind of like a bad dream.    Well, God says otherwise.  Check this out....

Romans 1:16-32

16I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[c] just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."[d]
God's Wrath Against Mankind
 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

He loves both of you, but you need to admit your sinful condition and ask forgiveness for your sins.   He is fathful and just to forgive you of your sins, and to cleanse you from ALL unrighteousness.  Do it tonight!!

obama and other liberals want to waste more money in the education system.  however, they always want to be politically correct so as not to offend anyone so they would rather waste billions of dollars instead of actually correcting the root of the problem.  instead of ensuring parents are held accountable for the wellbeing of their children, they would rather ignore the fact that children are not being cared for in the home and focus on money.  we can see how successful that has been so far.  both sides are at fault but obama takes the cake!  his failure in the schools of Chicago proves this!  as a result, the liberals give him a promotion!  that makes as much sense as anything else they do!  they purposely don't read bills they vote for, and they elect crooks like pelosi, reid, dodd, frank and others!  so what should we expect?

Obama's economic stimulus is beginning to look like a sedative...let's face it - you don't give a man with narcolepsy a dose of Valium unless you're looking for a crash. Our economy is being driven recklessly by someone who can't stay awake and can't afford the gas. $100 million is like a pea on the plate of a starving man. 

It is most unfortunate that God does not have an advanced degree in economics and he doesn't have time to pursue one now - he spends most of his time consulting with DS. Can that snake oil salesman sell enough bibles to get us out of this mess? I don't think so, but you could do me one favor. Tell God that we need money...bad. That's right...God, God, he's our man...if he can't do it, no one can. 

Well, DS, you'll have to find another needy soul - I am off to Chantilly this week. Equibase, the driving force behind the Daily Racing Form, hasn't updated European racecourse configurations in eight years. While you're hawking bibles on the subway, I'll be riding Maglev. Oh, what a sad soul am I. It should be interesting to see how the other half lives. I just hope America is till here when its time for me to return. Obama might sell the whole damn country for a can of spinach. 

Dora, you Godless troublemaker, see if you can put a muzzle on that lunatic. I can't - keep having visions of AK-47's and as much as I despise organized religion, I'm not ready to take him out yet.

DS, what do I need to do to get you off my back and out of my business? Have I not made it clear that I have no interest in your heavenly pursuits?

To: UC

Why are you giving this fool so much air time? And why, I ask, did you edit my comment in such a way that DS will continue to try to save me? Am I your poster boy for the downtrodden and Godless?

You could have given the spotlight to Titus...at least he has something tangible to say about parenting. What's the deal, UC? Is DS paying you off with kickbacks from his snake oil profits?

DS,

You seem to know a lot about perversion. Have you ever had a tire iron rammed up your ass? No? Then shut the fuck up.

ML Smith:

You keep coming back.

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me."

Robert...I hate to burst your bubble but...


  God Speaks Through Me

  God is not happy. He has told me time and again:
  “I will only speak through you. Tell these people to stop the shennaninigans. Let’s get this question settled once and for all. Whatever it may be that I want, I tell you. It is therefore your job to disseminate my messages. Make sure they understand. I am sick and tired of the constant misinformation spread about me and what I want.”
  As of 7:00 am today, his most recent hourly report, there is nothing to report. God asked me to tell you not to worry about that.
“This happens sometimes,” he told me, “there are times when no news is good news.” Where have I heard that before?
I expect that the 5:00 pm report will be short, as is always the case. God told me one day that dinner time with family is more important than anything he might wish to say. Unless, of course, there is some kind of emergency. He didn’t care much about dinner time on 9/11. He even asked me to speak to President Bush. I tried…I tell you I did everything I could, but he was insistent on saying that God had already made his decision. Sometimes I wondered if Bush thought he was God.
“Listen!” God told me moments after the crashes, “Let Bush know to keep his mouth shut. Tell him it is better to wait on more information. Make sure he knows not to do or say anything provocative - remember, information first, well-planned action later.” I don’t need to tell you his reaction to Bush’s disregard. You know that saying about “don’t kill the messenger,” don’t you? Things weren’t much better when he heard about the McCain/Palin ticket. That was when he went straight to George and told him to disappear. I have never seen God so angry. I heard him tell someone, “If he says or does anything, pull him.” That sounded pretty scary. When God has someone pulled, it’s not like taking a pitcher out in the 7th inning. If it was, you’d never see that pitcher again…ever.
I hope Obama gets it right…for my sake.

That bitch can kiss my ass.

ML,
Which god are you communicaitng with?  Is it the same one that tells our peace loving Islamic terrorists to blow up themselves and innocents?  Or is it the one who was guiding Timothy McVeigh?  Or maybe it was the god who told Charles Manson to do his bidding for him?  ML, if you knew "God", you wouldn't be so irritated with me and my message of love.  His Word would make you joyful and at peace.  I wouldn't be so quick to mock God my firend.  History is strewn with people like that.  I'll be praying for you and Dora, and I'm sure there are other christians on here who have already been praying for you.  You will NOT escape Him Michael.  It would be much easier and better for you to simply submit to Him and repent of your sins now, before it's too late!  You don't know the day or the hour that God will call you home Michael.  Don't be like those talked about in Romans 1.  God will strive with you for only so long before He gives you over to a depraved mind.  Dwell on what that means Michael.  I don't think you really want that.  What happened in your past to make you this angry with God?  Were you abused Michael?  God knows all about you, and wants to help you Michael.  Let Him in.......

John 3:16

The Blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Civil debate people....civil debate. Sounds like a bunch of 4th graders trading insults about one another's mothers.
Stick with issues. Just because someone doesn't have the same opinion, doesn't make them wrong....unless you are Hitler.

Michael,
God knows why America is going through this economic downturn, and He is allowing it to happen.  Is He disciplining America for all of the immoral acts that we have committed recently?  Maybe.  Does He have something good in mind for those who turn to Him during this crisis?  Absolutely!  Is what we are going through temporary, and just a small blip on the radar screen of eternity?  Yep.  Does God want us to seek Him instead of relying on money, houses, and things to make us fulfilled?  Yes.  Does He want us to repent for the immoral attitudes and things we have done as a nation?  Yes. 

Check out what God allowed to happen to His chosen people.  Do we really expect Him to treat us any differently?

II Chronicles 7:13-22

13 "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 15 Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayers offered in this place. 16 I have chosen and consecrated this temple so that my Name may be there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.
 17 "As for you, if you walk before me as David your father did, and do all I command, and observe my decrees and laws, 18 I will establish your royal throne, as I covenanted with David your father when I said, 'You shall never fail to have a man to rule over Israel.'
 19 "But if you [c] turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you [d] and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 20 then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 21 And though this temple is now so imposing, all who pass by will be appalled and say, 'Why has the LORD done such a thing to this land and to this temple?' 22 People will answer, 'Because they have forsaken the LORD, the God of their fathers, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why he brought all this disaster on them.' "

The good news is in verse 14.  That is ALL that we have to do to regain His blessings upon our nation Michael.

Yarr Most High Noodliness,
who art in the Sky,
blessed be thy name.
Thy Pirate Ship come,
thy Will be done,
on earth, as It is in the Sky.
Lead us not to Kansas,
But to somewhere more interesting.
RAmen.

http://www.venganza.org/

Ds,  proof is here!  mend your ways now-  His Noodley Appendages  are manifested and shown to be true!  He will forgive your doubt and blasphemy that you may then rejoice and revel in the light of pasta.   Your fellow pastafarians  emplore you to open your eyes.  Look!  Photos!  Testamony!  Be it known that you have been offered this opportunity.  Your fate is in your own hands.  I can only offer you hope and cream sauce.

Now then, please pass the parmesian.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was 'ARRRRGH!'" - PIRATICUS 13:7

"The more you read about us, the more you're going to be persuaded that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the true creator and that FSMism is the Best. Religion. Ever. Go ahead, try us for 30 days. If you don't like us, your old religion will most likely take you back. Unless it's the Jains, whose feelings are easily hurt." - Bobby Henderson

"Behold the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM), today's fastest growing carbohydrate-based religion. According to church founder Bobby Henderson, the universe and all life within it were created by a mystical and divine being: the Flying Spaghetti Monster. What drives the FSM's devout followers, aka Pastafarians? Some say it's the assuring touch from the FSM's Noodly Appendage. Then there are those who love the worship service, which is conducted in Pirate-Speak and attended by congregants in dashing buccaneer garb. Still others are drawn to the Church's flimsy moral standards, religious holidays EVERY Friday, and the fact that Pastafarian Heaven is way cooler: Does your heaven have a Stripper Factory and a Beer Volcano?"- The Gospel

Dora,
You claimed that my faith was based on fairytales.  Dare I say that your noodle god is a rather limp and slimy person(?) who is able to do nothing more than create indigestion?  But that's ok because my God is able to heal us from ANY disease. 

Isaiah 53

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
       he was crushed for our iniquities;
       the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
       and by his wounds we are healed.

You might want to try to at least keep your remarks based somewhat in reality.  Otherwise, who will ever take you seriously?  You are serious aren't you about your love for your messiah?

A personal testimony:  " I recently rejected the FSM when he appeared before me in a lukewarm apparition in a small family-run Italian restaurant."

M. Smith- Fairmont,  Minnesota

another:  "
When I was young and knew no better, waiting in line to add the sauce to my plate of noodly goodness, in youthful vigor I spun around. All those about me beheld the pasta as it flew off the plate in obedience to the Great Law of Centripetal Force, and there was much laughter! But lo, there was more pasta to eat! The great colander was filled to the brim! I did NOT starve because his noodlyness did NOT forsake me!"

Martha Mittenhouse-  El Paso

DS,   The truth is there!  Witness it!  Wait no more for the hunger to find goodness and cheese.   We have friends in cheeses.  Believe!   Seek no more for I have strained  for truth in advance.

I even added the butter.
Chianti?

google:  10,300 ACTUAL PHOTOS of HIs Noodly Appendage.
Believe! DS-
I will even let you use my best spork!

ML- I agree with you on "organized religion"-  you will be relieved to know that we are perhaps the most disorganized theme religion...yet we combine oregano and basil like no other!   The cream sauce will force your eyes to the heavens where you will view the track lighting and recessed fixtures with awe and enlightenment.

sing along time:

"MY god's better than your god, my god's better than yours..."

DS  I can't hear you.

Dora,
I don't need to go there.  I know what spaghetti looks like.  You can see what my God (and actually yours as well even though you don't accept it) looks like by reading the Holy Bible.  Are you afraid of what might happen if you seriously take a look at it Dora?  I understand that actually, as His Word is powerful and true!  It will cut right thru your hate and disbelief, revealing to you how sinful you really are.  You will bow before Him Dora, either now or at the judgement seat!  Do it now and receive His blessings in this life.

Romans 14:10-12
For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
   " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
   'every knee will bow before me;
      every tongue will confess to God.' "[a] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)
GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.
GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.
GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.
GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.
GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.
GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.
GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.
GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken (and are taken) aboard the Ark.
GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.
GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
GE 7:13 They enter the Ark (again?).
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.
 
God surely knows whats up, when his word is so inconsistent.

Dora,
Your spaghetti god is just another in the long line of false gods, or Baals.  See below how my God dealt with the god of Baal in the bible.  He is a jealous God Dora, and will crush every other god who tries to usurp His power. 

16 So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. 17 When he saw Elijah, he said to him, "Is that you, you troubler of Israel?"
 18 "I have not made trouble for Israel," Elijah replied. "But you and your father's family have. You have abandoned the LORD's commands and have followed the Baals. 19 Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel's table."
 20 So Ahab sent word throughout all Israel and assembled the prophets on Mount Carmel. 21 Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him."
      But the people said nothing.
 22 Then Elijah said to them, "I am the only one of the LORD's prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. 23 Get two bulls for us. Let them choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. 24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD. The god who answers by fire—he is God."
      Then all the people said, "What you say is good."
 25 Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire." 26 So they took the bull given them and prepared it.
      Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. "O Baal, answer us!" they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.
 27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. "Shout louder!" he said. "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened." 28 So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. 29 Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.
 30 Then Elijah said to all the people, "Come here to me." They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the LORD, which was in ruins. 31 Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, "Your name shall be Israel." 32 With the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs [a] of seed. 33 He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, "Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood."
 34 "Do it again," he said, and they did it again.
      "Do it a third time," he ordered, and they did it the third time. 35 The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench.
 36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, O LORD, answer me, so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again."
 38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.
 39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The LORD -he is God! The LORD -he is God!"
 40 Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don't let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

HeathenHater,
Welcome to our discussion about God, and how much He loves us ALL!  Have you actually spent time reading scripture on your own, or are you merely throwing out these "apparent" inconsistencies which you acquired from an atheist such as Don Morgan or Mark D. Ball?  I understand that there are those who don't want to believe the bible, and there are those who do.  Therefore, nothing I say will convince you to believe.  Only God's Holy Spirit can do that, so I pray right now in the name of Jesus for the Holy Spirit to speak to you and anyone else here who is either agnostic or atheistic.  Now, let me provide you a few links for sources that may help you understand why the scriptures listed on your post are not contradictions of each other.  Hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation of scripture.  You will need to spend some time researching it and developing the skill, but it will definitely be worth it!

http://hermeneutics.kulikovskyonline.net/hermeneutics/hermeneutics.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c023.html
http://www.americanbible.org/brcpages/MakingSense
http://creation.com/countering-the-critics-questions-and-answers
http://www.tektonics.org/jedp/creationtwo.html

These are only a few sources which might help you if you're serious about finding the truth.  If you're not, then they won't.  I'm always willing to help in any way I can.  As I have told ML and Dora, God loves you HH (HeathenHater for short)!  And He is waiting for you to respond to His call.  Repent and believe.  He will receive you and give you the gift of life...today!

Dora:

For some reason atheists NEVER make fun of Satanists like they do Christians. If there is no God, there must not be a Satan so you should be giving him equal time.

Let me give you a running start and you take over:   Oh jerkola of hell, you Satan person you.  Where do you take your red underwear?  Do your parties in hell have ice cubes?  Do you have air conditioning down there?  Are you affected by global warming? Who is your vice president? it it that funny looking guy with the mustache that caused that trouble in 1939?  Who keeps your beard  and horns sharp?  You got a problem with crosses? You got a problem with a certain person's Blood? What a loser you are, sucker.  Find some fire and brimstone and roast there.

How was that, Dora?

How many prayers go unnoticed because the request is directed to the wrong God? God, as he is most commonly referred to in America, cannot possibly handle the volume of prayer he receives. Does he have the time or desire to work miracles for football teams, win wars and protect democracy and freedom for all people...everywhere? I think not, unless he has a staff of thousands to take care of the bookkeeping and carry out his will at the same time. The concept is mind boggling but now, after exhaustive research, I have the answer.
   It came to me after listening to George Bush. He invoked God the Almighty in his address to the nation about our war in Iraq. “And with God the Almighty at our side, we shall prevail,” he said. The obvious implication - God is on our side. Taking it a step further, we can assume that our God is more powerful than Allah. Just a thought, mind you, but are we setting the stage for something far worse than global thermonuclear war? What happens if Allah and God the Almighty go to war? Who are their allies and would they jump in? The consequences of an Entity war might include obliteration of mankind altogether. But I am straying from the subject, which in very simple terms is nothing more than an administrative problem.
   We rely on Gods for toys, automobiles, money, political matters, wars, disease, rain, sunshine, 26 professional football teams, teams from other sports, luck at poker; even horse races.
   “Where’s the wire...give me the wire...God, please...please God, just this once...please!” And not even a “Thank You, God,” when Knucklehead Smith crosses the finish a nose in front of Turtle Head.
“I knew that horse would win...see here in his chart - I knew!”
   Yet we are quick to blame God when things go wrong.
   “Plaxico! God! How could he drop that?”
   “Goddammit! McNabb! Get out of the pocket!”
   “For God‘s sakes, the battery is dead!”
   The volume is staggering. No God that I know of has the staff or the administrative expertise to process and respond to trillions of requests. But...there is one solution to the problem which I believe is already in use. For lack of a better name, call it God’s Clearinghouse and Outsourcing Network.(GCON) Here’s how it works:
   A God receives a request from a fanatic Philadelphia Eagle fan. “God, please hear my prayer and allow the Eagles to beat hell out of the Giants next weekend.” God submits the request to GCON. GCON searches the NFL God file and forwards the request to Entity I.D. NFL9 - #87,623,509 who in turn relays the request to Entity I.D. PE5 - #315,423. PE5 turns the request over to an Assistant God. The Assistant God assigns the request to a Divine Technician who engineers a late game turnover that seals an Eagle victory. As you can see, the caseload volume drops from over 87 million to slightly more than 315,000 - manageable numbers for any competent Divine Technician.
   GCON is an administrative solution to a quantitative problem. It works, and the best part is that God (by any name) is spared the tedium and oppressive volume of prayer - freeing him to concentrate on matters of urgency affecting the well being of the humanity.
   There is no reference guide, but there is a system in place that insures divine attention to trillions of prayers. So...when you hit the sack tonight and remember to pray for that new Black and Decker chainsaw, remember - your prayer will not go unanswered. That doesn’t mean you’ll get the chainsaw and there might be good reason for that. Only God knows. §

Dora,

Interested in a chainsaw?

When are you going to visit? C'mon, you're in enough trouble already if you're here, so why not make it worse?

Organized religion cannot compare to a good cream sauce. You tell me what to buy...I'll get the fixins'. You know where I live.

Dora, I am not joking. God told me to fall in love with you.

Kelly, #139
Speaking of Hitler, did you know that he spoke Yiddish? If you don't believe me, just ask Dora's Flying Spaghetti Monster. 

Yes, Hitler was a God fearing man of indomitable faith. And contrary to common belief, he was a kind and generous man. When asked about the holocaust, his response was, "The Stay Puff Marshmallow Man ordered the killings, not me. Besides, the Pope never objected."

ML,
Very entertaining as usual, but empty and worthless chatter to God and true seekers of God.  God doesn't owe anyone an explanation for what he does, or how he does it.  Keep trying to figure Him out, and you'll go more insane than you already are.  His ways are above our ways Michael.  He has made a simple way for us to know Him.  Is it too simple for you Michael?  Does your intellectual superiority get in the way of you knowing God?   

I Corinthians 1:18-31

18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
   "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
      the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[c]
 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
 26Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."[

Michael and Dora,
Instead of worshipping your pasta god, why not try worshipping the God who can provide you REAL food which will satisfy your desires?

John 6:25-59

25When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you get here?"
 26Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
 28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
 29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
 30So they asked him, "What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: 'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'[c]"
 32Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
 34"Sir," they said, "from now on give us this bread."
 35Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
 41At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." 42They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, 'I came down from heaven'?"
 43"Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. 44"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.'[d] Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
 52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
 53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." 59He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

ML,
Being "religious", speaking Yiddish, or being a kind and generous man obviously doesn't save your soul does it?  Hitler is burning in hell as we speak.  Charles Manson did what God told him to do.  Islamic terrorists are doing what Allah tells them to do.  And you and Dora are doing and saying what your god is telling you.  But that doesn't shake God's confidence, or cause Him to change His plans.  His plan has been the same for you from the beginning of time, and will NEVER change!  He sent His son to die in your place!  A simple plan....accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you WILL be saved.  Reject Him, and you will be condemning yourself to eternal separation from God.  You don't understand what that means right now, but you will.  The Holy Spirit will make it very clear to you.  All you have to do is listen, then obey.

To UC

I thought this was a conservative website. Evidently I was wrong. Next time I visit here, I will bring my portable sacrificial altar.

It is true that I have always found UC to be both enlightening and maddening...that's what it's all about and that is good. But now, I find my Inbox constantly cluttered with the the same comments over and over...how much longer do you plan to promote religious fanatacism?

Enough already.

ML,
All I have done is respond to your and Dora's rants.  If you both stop fueling the fire, then maybe we can have some logical conversations.  And as far as I know, UC doesn't have the ability to force you to come back to this site.  You are able to unsubscribe from this post if you want.  But whether or not you admit it, you and Dora's philosophies are formed by your moral value system which just happens to be one of the definitions of religion (something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience).  So, as you share your religion, I have the same right to share mine.  If you want to "get real", and quit trying to impress all of us with your philosophical diatribes, we can actually talk about the direction of our country and what we can do to turn it around.  Dora, if you can somehow get past the point of acting like an English grammar teacher, stick to the facts, and stop calling everyone names, then maybe we'll allow you in again too.  If not, that's ok.  Go to another site where you can raise hell without anyone ever calling you on it.  It's been fun speaking with both of you, and remember.....God loves you!!

Now I remember why I stopped watching CSNBC a few years back. Why aren't liberals able to show any tolerance for opposing views. Reminds me of nazis. Listen to her rant and rave. If anyone knows who her Doctor is, please pass on.

want to hear a conservative squeal like a pig, tell them we are going to build a low rent apartment complex next to their "EXCLUSIVE" neighborhood. (SMILES) then tell them we are going to send the poor kids to the private schools for free, along with a free ride to any college.

Tea parties = pathetic

It is hard to imagine how anyone could call themselves an American when they have liberal idealogies.  Anyone who opposes the TEA parties must love taxes and wasting billions of dollars.  The person must love destroying their children and grandchildren's future and keeping the employment rates high.  If not, then they are not listening to facts or are ignorant of basic economics.  Regardless, of the reasoning, destroying our country is UNAMERICAN!  From now on, I'm referring to liberals as the party of the selfish!  Liberals spout their lies and like to spew their ideas and have no facts to back anything up!  what a joke!

Titus #164

"It is hard to imagine how anyone could call themselves an American when they have liberal ideologies." Titus...thank God for you. At least someone here is willing to tell it like it really is.

Titus, don't you think that some "un-American" cleansing is in order? These people need to be eliminated. 
CLEANSE AMERICA. KILL A LIBERAL TODAY. 

Waterboarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in the Vietnam War.[73]

don't you people have jobs? you are all nuts and now I feel like one for reading half of ya'lls crap, thats 20 mins I just waisted of my life. If you all got out there and actually did something to support your cause or beliefs then maybe something would get done but sitting in front of a computer all day waiting to see what someone wrote just so you can disagree with them and insult them isnt getting you anywhere.  Everyone here sounds like a child throwing baseless insults around over nothing.  I feel like less of a man just for reading this crap.

ML Smith--is there a reason violence was brought into my post?  fortunately, i would never stoop to those levels much less think about it!

Titus,
Don't pay any attention to ML.  His goal is to just stir up as much crap as he can for both sides.  He likes to hear himself talk.  His ego is about as large as Obama's budget.  He calls himself a conservative, but he isn't really.  Don't let him stir you up.  He must have been abused as a young boy.  Don't get me started ML.   ;-}

i82pid:

Want to see a conservative basher squeal?  Plant a low-rent housing project next to him with ex-offenders living next to him or her.  Also let poor blacks go to school with their children at private school, just like Obama's kids.  Want to see them squeal more?  Let a black victim of racism call them out on their phony outrage.

Lee:

I lost my job, just like many others across the country.  You said :"thats 20 mins I just waisted of my life... I feel like less of a man just for reading this crap."

Who do you want to sue for making you feel less of a man? If an internet website can make you "feel less than a man," you are the one with the problem.  You act like you have been sexually assaulted. Go file a police report and say that an internet website raped you.

You complain about this forum wasting 20 min of your life.  Are you demanding a refund?   Don't hope for any change here. You are a slow reader. Should have quit after 5 minutes and moved on.

Grow up.

Titus,

I didn't bring violence into your post - that was my post. I take it you don't like my suggestion. Are you not a man...of action? What do you propose we do with these un-American scum. Just allow them to spread their subversive and godless ideals freely?

Oh, DS, very good - I'm proud of you. No cheap shots, and you stood on your own two feet without relying on the Holy Spirit to defend you. What's this about not getting you started? DS, there's white spittle collecting at the corners of your mouth...spit it out man, don't be a pussy about it.

This just in from liberal THE HUFFINGTON POST, written by a Black Woman:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sophia-a-nelson/j...





My first response on hearing and then viewing the video clip of Ms. Garofalo on MSNBC last Thursday evening was simply: WOW!
Is this what the Republic is coming to in the 21st Century? Political extremism has gone WILD!
Regular working class and rural, suburban White Americans must feel a bit under assault as of late.
How so you ask? Well, it started in the 2008 primary campaign with off handed comments being made by then candidate Barack Obama about "bitter Americans clinging to their guns and religion", then Senator Clinton started talking about "hardworking white Americans" in Pennsylvania as she desperately needed to carry that state.
Everything was about race in the 2008 Campaign. Former President Bill Clinton was deemed a racist red neck jack as<!--em>s who didn't know when to shut up according to the media, political pundits and many black politicians for his comments during the South Carolina primaries. McCain was deemed a racist simply because he existed and was the GOP standardbearer. Once he picked working class, university of Idaho educated, mother of five Alaska Governor Sara Palin all hell truly broke loose.
I am so sick and tired of RACE. Period. When are we going to get over it? For Real folks. As someone who was an African American studies minor in college, pledged the oldest and most prestigious black women's sorority, was once a loyal card carrying member of the NAACP ( I did not renew my membership after the 2000 election campaign ads that ran against then Gov. George Bush paid for by the NAACP), started a very successful national organization for professional women of color, and I could go and on I am sick of the tearing apart of one set of Americans by their own fellow countrymen.
Yes, I am defending my mostly white (some Tea Party goers were black, Hispanic, etc.) Tea Party attending brethren because enough is enough. On last Thursday's "Countdown," MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and his guest Janeane Garofalo defamed fellow citizens who attended the prior day's Tea Parties with vitriolic contempt. Ms. Garofalo actually called Party-goers "a bunch of teabagging rednecks," adding "this is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up."
She is wrong and she knows nothing about true racism-having never spent a day of her life being black in America. I do know something about racism as I and millions of other people of color have endured and experienced its ugly insidiousness. It is not a word that should be thrown around lightly or recklessly. If we dare not stand in defense of our fellow citizens right to protest peacefully against our/their government then we are giving into a sneaky form of Tyranny. Race has nothing to do with the hardworking, decent American citizens who simply got sick and tired of being overtaxed and outspent by their government and showed up to do something about it.
That is our solemn duties as Americans. This freedom is what makes us the envy of the world.
I am deeply disappointed in the current dialogue that seems to be developing on the current American horizon. If we don't stop yelling at each other, hurling insults and names, and band together as a nation once again, then those who seek the undoing of their fellow citizens of a different opinion, thought or political stripe had better grasp firmly the old saying "what you gonna do when they come for you?"



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See what i mean, jellybean?

you all are so fucking stupid

ML Smith:

Your comment:  Titus,
I didn't bring violence into your post - that was my post. I take it you don't like my suggestion. Are you not a man...of action? What do you propose we do with these un-American scum. Just allow them to spread their subversive and godless ideals freely?

MLSmith: First of all I'm an extremely tough, independent-thinking, proud republican female.  That is your first mistake!  Secondly, I don't believe in killing just because people are low-lifes and immoral scum.  However, trust me when I say I'm angry at what they have done and will continue to fight against their agenda of destroying this country.  However, there are some names that I'll refrain from using because they are beneath me, i.e., the "P" word that I find absolutely vulgar.

Robert--Thanks for sharing.  I liked the post.  I also want to add that I agree that this is not about race and the scum of the earth liberals will continue to try to make it to be this because they have nothing else.  It was President Bush that sent more money to Africa to fight Aids than any other President has ever done!  So, republicans are definitely not racists!  I'm proud of this accomplishment and many more.  Bush is turning out to have made some very wise decisions!

"Republicans are not racists?" Some are and some are not...as are liberals.
Great comment though...I will remember it the next time I apprehend a conservative drug distributor.

ML Smith--My point was that labeling Republicans as a whole as racists is as stupid as most issues liberals are bringing up.  Obviously, there are no republicans or democrats in criminals.  They are just criminals and should be treated as such!

http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/04/raci...


Racist Garofalo to the Rescue!



As a black man, I love it when ignorant white women like Janeane Garofalo speak for all blacks. It's thrilling to me that Janeane would take time out of her busy Hollyweird life to protect me and my peeps -- the downtrodden, the oppressed...the lowly Negro.


For her efforts, I thank Garofalo, and anoint her Janeane Garofalo: White Chick Protector of the Lowly Negro.


Who better than she to offer such protection? Garofalo, after all is an American hero! And I bet you were wondering who could possibly replace the likes of Barbara Streisand or Susan Sarandon…Madonna?


Garofalo is so in touch with the black condition, that she is uniquely qualified to assess and understand my people's "condition." Her intimate knowledge of blacks allows her to interpret how blacks think, and then translate "black-think" for the rest of America. "Cuz Lawd knows, we kaints do dis for ourselfs."


One source of Garofalo's insights into the black community, ergo the "black condition" is no doubt from Hollywood, as she is a product of that culture. Garofalo probably has in her movie collection films like Cleopatra Jones, the black heroine who is oppressed by the man.


What "White Chick Protector of the Lowly Negro" collection would be complete without Superfly. Talk about learning how to stick it to the man, Superfly is the boilerplate, dare I say the "White Chick Protector of the Lowly Negro" roadmap on how to stick it to the man. Further, Ron O'Neal, the actor who played Superfly, the black protagonist of the movie could easily be the predecessor for our first half-black president. Who can argue that Obama is indeed "sticking it to the white man?"


What "White Chick Protector of the Lowly Negro" collection would be complete without Superfly. Talk about learning how to stick it to the man, Superfly is the boilerplate, dare I say the "White Chick Protector of the Lowly Negro" roadmap on how to stick it to the man. Further, Ron O'Neal, the actor who played Superfly, the black protagonist of the movie could easily be the predecessor for our first half-black president. Who can argue that Obama is indeed "sticking it to the white man?"


The irony of Garofalo's comments is that they point directly at her own racist party: the Democrats!


I am always amazed at how well Democrats argue the tenets of racism…against themselves. The party that founded the Ku Klux Klan has the nerve to proselytize to Republicans about racism.


Democrats have done nothing, repeat nothing for blacks, except to exploit blacks for Democrats' own racist agendas. If you don't believe me, look at, well…Janeane Garofalo!


Garofalo is a failed comedian, a hack of an actress, a failed radio talk-show host, and essentially has been out of the mainstream since making B-movies that had the viewership of an Olbermann segment on MSNBC! I get more views on my YouTube videos of racist Democrats picking lent from their navels and eating Cheetos. Admittedly those are funny, and the hit count is rising.


In typical racist Democrat elitist fashion, Garofalo feels the need to meddle in the black community. I can't imagine a life where I wake up in the morning and say something like, "I think today I will read an article on [insert oppressed here], and then go on [insert oppressed here] TV to protect those pitiful, stupid, weak [insert oppressed here]. Kevin…you are a wonderful man for caring about these people who obviously have no spokesperson, and can't protect themselves! I love me some ME!" Such is the life of a racist Democrat elitist. Protectors of the World…oh, and their own agendas!


Here's the wrap:


Black people should be up in arms over the idea that Garofalo thinks we are so weak, that we cannot defend ourselves. A group of people who survived slavery and the institutionalized racism of the Democratic Party, but we need the "White Chick Protector of the Lowly Negro."


Further we should be offended that she is meddling not for us, but for her own benefit. She thinks we are stupid enough to support her lame attempt to exploit us. Are there not real black issues on which Garofalo could have been working in the black community that could have positive impact? I doubt it, since five decades of blacks voting Democrat have fixed all of the black community's problems.


Finally, and perhaps most absurd of all is Garofalo actually proves herself to be not only a racist, but the worst kind of racist…an ignorant racist. She obviously knows nothing about the overwhelmingly racist history of her own party, and its decimation of black people.


Black people, wake up. What you have here is a no talent racist hack arguing for you, when there is no real issue. And it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots on this one.


Garofalo is the prototypical elitist, who believes blacks to be weak and stupid. With those perceptions of blacks, she is the perfect representative of the racist, elitist Democrat Party. How did we survive without them?


That's my rant!


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Robert--Wow!  That says it all!

Clip from "Robert (172) Is this what the Republic is coming to in the 21st Century? Political extremism has gone WILD! Regular working class and rural, suburban White Americans must feel a bit under assault as of late. How so you ask? Well, it started in the 2008 primary campaign with off handed comments being made by then candidate Barack Obama about "bitter Americans clinging to their guns and religion", then Senator Clinton started talking about "hardworking white Americans" in Pennsylvania as she desperately needed to carry that state. Everything was about race in the 2008 Campaign. Former President Bill Clinton was deemed a racist red neck jack as

ADDED TO 180)

Our two party system is gone as a platform for debate.  IT HAS TURNED INTO A BATTLE GROUND!  Not just a political battle ground, a place where hate groups can attack their enemies openly effecting just about everyone.  (Keeping in mind that politics has entered into all these groups as a bargining tool.  Political figures, top to bottom, are being used.)  Here is what our two party system has come to.  Republicans vs. Democrats.  Leberals vs. Conservatives.  Pro Life (Right to life) vs. Planned Parenthood.  Right Wing vs. Left Wing.  Homosexuals vs. Homophobics.  Animal Rights vs. Chicken eaters.  Global Warmers vs. Pacifists.  Whites vs. Blacks, and, on and on...  Whites vs. Blacks, WHOOA!  That's racist...  Really?  Wrong...  That isn't racist.  Reality is racist.

If you don't thing so, look at all the film clips of the Tea Parties.  Look at them from the big news channels, LOOK AT ANY OF THEM!  While you are doing this, try counting all the people that showed up for these things.  Thousands and thousands showed up.  Now, tell me how many black people did you see at these Tea Parties?

Here is a sample for your mind of how the state of our two party political system is now.  Think about a two lane highway.  A typical road with a dividing line in the middle and an outer line on both sides.  The center line divides the two parties and the outer lines gives us our limitations.  This represents the way it suppose to be.  This is where we meet for the dabate.  The two outer lines represents outer limits.  In other words, once you cross this line, either way, you are now too far left or right for normal debate.

Now, put dots inside both sides, On the road) inside the outer limits and label these dots as normal (Lefties and Righties) debaters.  Also, put lots and lots of dots outside the lines on both sides of the highway and label these dots as Extremists.  In other words, what ever these dots are seeking does not have a lot to do with what the debat is about.  Most of what the people want that is outside the lines is selfish and personal in nature.  They want it with no regards to others.  Over the years the dots outside the lines have grown in size that the politicians now cater to them for political reasons.  If you want to get elected, better hot mention homo!  Or any be against any of the things, good or bad, that the people outside the lines represent...

IT IS A BATTLE FIELD - NOT A TWO PARTY SYSTEM OF DEBATE.

For me it turned into a battlefield when I kept hearing and seeing lies from the liberals including obama.  It started in the news media and then I ran into a few idiots in public that only knew partial truths and took them as real.  I also saw obama during the campaign contstantly lie to the American people.  I was angry!  Now the lies the liberals have told can be proven and when they are, the left get angry!  then they began to deviate from the subjects at hand and start the spewing of hatred.  so there are my reasons for my anger.

As usual,
Robert, Titus, and Bud have hit the nail on the head.  And they are doing it using logic, presenting facts, and being intellectually honest.  It sure would be nice if liberals would try to do the same.  Bud's analogy of a highway is a good one, and his conclusion is correct.  But I'm not sure that what everyone EXPECTS and WANTS to happen is actually in the best interest of our country.  Yes, it seems logical that we should be able to have a civil debate between conservatives and liberals regarding the direction we want to take our country.  And it "seems" counter-productive for us to be arguing about these things as Bud pointed out.......  Republicans vs. Democrats.  Leberals vs. Conservatives.  Pro Life (Right to life) vs. Planned Parenthood.  Right Wing vs. Left Wing.  Homosexuals vs. Homophobics.  Animal Rights vs. Chicken eaters.  Global Warmers vs. Pacifists.  Whites vs. Blacks, and, on and on........especially when we've been programmed to believe the importance of the "political correctness" and "can't we all just get along?" crowds over the years.  But guess what folks.......We're in a battle of good vs evil, right vs wrong, truth vs lies, and it isn't going to be civil because it never has been!!  The battle of good vs evil has been raging since the time that God kicked satan out of heaven.  Satan is a liar, a cheat, a thief, a murderer, and any other evil desire you can think of.  But, he comes as an angel of light!  He is a master "deceiver".  He twists the truth to deceive many into believing that what they want and stand for is true and good.  Without knowing the "real truth" (God's truth), man will always choose satan's ways as they are designed to appeal to man's selfish desires, whereas God's truth is counter to that.  All of this to say that we shouldn't expect this battle to be civil.  I believe it will get uglier rather than more civil, unless of course the people of God decide to give up the fight, and give in to the morally corrupt crowd that permeates our society.  That is what they hope we do!  And I believe that class warfare and racism are THE tools that satan is using to keep this battle going.  Without those, he knows that the battle would be lost, and that good would prevail over evil.  He is a LOSER!!  God has ALREADY won the battle!!  Jesus's death and resurrection FINISHED it once and for all.  Satan knows it, and is just prolonging the inevitable as long as he can.  We KNOW the ending......TRUTH and GOD wins!!  Hallelujah!!!

More to come to break up this article so people can read it easier...

Now, let's put our faith where our mouths are....
Why does racism have to be an issue?  Is it really racism (blacks vs whites), or is the left just using it to stay in power?  The answer is obvious.  I would like to challenge the racist, liberal, socialist, communist folks to see if they are really serious about their claim that conservatives are racists.  I would like to propose that we replace ALL of the Obama administration folks with black, brown, red, yellow, purple conservative leaders which reside in our country today!  No whites allowed!  Give them 4 years to prove themselves.  If the country isn't better off, and people aren't happier than they are today, then we can get rid of them and put Obama back into power.  Here is a list of conservative minorities (non-whites) which I would love to see in power.  I know there are a lot more which I'm either not aware of, or haven't thought of at this time, but this is a pretty good start.

Thomas Sowell, Walter E. Williams, Condoleezza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele, Mason Weaver, Frances Rice, Jesse Lee Peterson, Johnny Hunter, Dr. Alveda C. King, Michael L Williams, Glenn C. Loury, Robert Woodson, Kyle-Anne Shiver, Jim Gossepp, Lloyd Marcus, Bobby Jindal, and Joseph Perkins.  Then, I would love to see the following folks from this site on their cabinets as well......Kevin Jackson, Robert, Cb Edwards IV, Black&Right. 

So what do you think?  I, and probably most (if not all ) whites on this site would agree to this proposal to totally, once and for all remove the racist issue from our arguments.  Deal?

Titus Hunt

Criminals clearly have political leanings...of every kind. Are you saying that the bankers that robbed us blind were neither Republican, Democrat, Conservative or Liberal? Are you oblivious to the fact that drug cartels have powerful lobbies in DC? Were you unaware that some of these people are active conservatives and/or liberals? Did you forget that without cartel lobbies, decriminalization of illicit drugs would threaten the very foundation of the drug trafficking industry?

I don't mean to attack you or your beliefs. Perhaps you simply overlooked these things.

ML,
Are you aware that ALL of these criminals (whether Republican, Democrat, Conervative, or Liberal) have one thing in common?  They are morally bankrupt, and I venture to say that they are serving their father (satan) rather than God.  That is EXACTLY the point that I've been making, and the reason for my proposal in post (184).  From everything that I've heard/read about the people I recommended, they are people of high moral character who TRULY desire the best for our country, and for every single citizen.  They are freedom lovers!  Isn't this REALLY the key issue in our battle between conservatives vs liberals?  Intellectually honesty is required to undersatnd the differences.  All of the other issues are nothing but red herrings!

To DS & ML:

Do me a favor and list the definition of these two words.  Be as explicit as need be:

1.  Conservative

2.  Leberal

I know what the definition in the dictionary is, I would love to hear both of your versions.

Typo - that should have been Liberal.

Bud Mullins,

I went to school already. I don't take tests anymore, except for promotions. Sorry.

ML Smith--I think you missed my point.  Criminals are criminals and they chose their fate so I really don't give a damn about their party affiliation because their rights to vote should be stripped permanently.  they obviously are dumb enough to commit crimes so they aren't smart enough to understand our freedoms, rights and responsibilities as citizens in the US.  I would not be able to be in law enforcement of any kind because my belief system is one of intolerance for those who take away the rights of others no matter what the person's age.  Seeing folks that have committed serious crimes walk the streets again would bother me tremendously!  However, I am thankful for those who can perform these very necessary jobs.

Bud,
I already asked ML that question earlier, so you can see his response.  I could provide you the classic definitions that we all tend to use, but I think that we will quickly end up in the weeds of debating the definitions rather than debating the real issue which is good vs evil, or truth vs non-truth.  There HAS to be a standard for truth, or it isn't truth.  Man creates his own definition of what truth means to himself which is why there are so many immoral actions taking place in our country/world.  God is the ONLY one we can look to for truth.  If He says it, it is truth!  Man likes to argue with God about His definitions, but that doesn't change anything.  Truth is truth, and lies are lies.  One comes from God, and the other from satan.  Choose today whom you will serve.

Titus, you tend to throw a great deal of excrement about, looking to see just exactly how much will stick.   You are so rabid about Pelosi,  Reid, Dodd, Frank, and "others"- having called them "crooks"  realizing, of course,  (as I am certain that you do) that as you continue to verbalize these words- without proof or validity ,  these words spoken constitute slander-  your words above constitute libel - you have offered no proof or validation for such a conclusion.

Why was it that you sat by the last 8 years as your hero,  Dubbya,   and a republican controlled house and senate spent money as if there was an endless supply?   I don't recall a single one of you or any of your leaders up in arms over this.   You are pretty loose with the continued name-calling yet you have yet to produce a single productive, instructive, original thought or solution.
You have declaired that Obama is taking away your freedoms.   Which?  Be specific.
You have declaired that Obama messed up the Chicago School System.  How?  Be specific.
You have stated that liberals have no moral compass.  About whom are you refering?  What did he/she do or not do that twisted your panties in such a bundle?  I know that you are not so stupid as to believe that everyone thinks the same- so I expect that you will have soon an apology for broad-brushing all liberals. 

Have you not yet realized the many illegal acts commited by the previous administration?   Is this ok by you because they were republicans? 
I mean, come on woman.  Try to be consistant in your bitching.  If something is wrong- it's wrong for anyone not  just wrong because that person  has a particular ideology that does not match yours.    Just which way does your moral compass point??
I have yet to understand your basic complaint about Obama.  Why so vile?  Lady,  you need to calm down and visit with a rational thought once in a while.  
What "lies" do you feel Obama has told you?  Be specific.
What national spokesperson, elected representative, cabinet officer, pentagon personnel, or anyone else of note has EVER referred to Obama as "the Messiah"?   Be specific.  Please provide date as well.

Titus-  your constant negativity suggests that you are one miserable woman.   There must be at least something in your life that you find good or  praise-worthy.   Isn't there??


ML-  Actually,  I have a chainsaw  (gas powered).   What I really would like to have is a skidster to plow the driveway in the winter-  it's about 1/4 mile long-  I have a jeep with 4wd  so it's not mandatory. It just looks like fun to have a skidster. 
No matter,  it's spring now so it can wait.

This is not a friggin chat room!

and your point, Bud, would be....?

my understanding is that this is a forum for an exchange of ideas, information, and opinions.    What part of this offends you?

Dora--I have continued to base my posts on facts but I guess you choose to ignore them and like to divert attention to anything other than the issues.  That is typical and if you are that dumb, there is no discussion.  I will not get into a debate over what you call "illegal acts" because I completely disagree.  If, however, there is an investigation, your buddy Pelosi will be an accessory because she was in the meetings and knew everything that was going on.

...and speaking of facts, Dora, where are yours?  you never back up anything you say and don't say anything positive about the Bush administration.  People on this site have continually asked you for proof of your posts and you ignore everyone!  hmmmm!  hypocrite may be the right word here!  you just spread hate and leave for a few days!  by the way, I am a perfectly happy person and I appreciate your concern for my personal wellbeing.  that is really a kind thing to do!

Bud,  Titus has thrown accusations about like dusting powder after a shower. 
I simply ask that she justify her accusations. (see post #130)

I wonder what freedoms of hers are being taken away by President Obama... and I find it more than odd that it matters not to her that it's not important if my rights be ignored, dismissed or removed because I am gay. 
You know,  during the torture of Iraqi detainees when questioned how they could justify this... the response: "They're only Iraqi" (the implication being,  it's not like they are real people).
I would really like to hear from you hardcore conservatives how in the world you can support this type of thinking?  How do you justify your constant hypocrisy?

For all of you who cannot resist your urges to include  bible quotes in some feeble attempt to support your words directed at me-  you waste your time-  I have told you that I am not a christian,  I don't believe in your bible-  I don't believe in your god - your warnings/threats of damnation have absolutely no effect on me- your use of what I consider to be fairy tales as your support for your arguments are worthless.  If you plan to discuss facts, bring facts to the table.  Your opinions and religious needs are personal to you alone and do not constitute facts.

Here's something positive about the Bush administration... I am positively ecstatic that they are no longer in power.   The best thing that Bush did was to go home.

Titus-  I cannot help you if you do not have the adequate dexterity to click on a link.  I have backed up my statements time and time again. 
I can understand why you don't want any money spent towards education (your post #130)  - you don't want to be the only non-schooled one left.   
why don't you go here and see how many of your accusations are true:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article...

Well then you are the hypocrite!  You tried to rail people on this site about not saying anything nice about the obama administration but you can't say anything nice about Bush?  You really have issues!

I guess you are too stupid to understand what freedoms we had in America and obama's plan to take them away.  what a joke!  this is why you need to stay away from subjects you know nothing about unless you are just trying to learn instead of criticizing.  this subject has been discussed over and over and the list is too long.  I really don't give a damn about gay rights because there are too many other more important issues in this country at the moment.  however, i've heard your arguments along with other gays' opinions.  i'm not interested in the conversation and will not and haven't brought the subject up.  however, if you ever gain morals and values and want to stand up against the killing of babies, I'll be willing to discuss this in depth with you.  you may be surprised at a FEW of my responses.  ...and i meant a FEW.  by the way, obama believes marriage is between a man and women.  ... that is, of course, unless he lied again during his campaign.  you are an angry person and direct your anger in the wrong direction.

The problem is that Dora does not discuss and brings up no facts.

Dora--my acusations are true unfortunately.  obama's actual actions prove it daily!  if you want to slam someone, talk to obama about his wasting money in this economy or not reading the stimulus bill he signed.  if he had read the bill or at least understood what he was signing, he would not have acted as if he was shocked when the bonuses were given out.  it was all in there and he is supposed to be an attorney.  too funny!

Dora,
Are you asking me to share God's love with you some more?  It's really very simple Dora.  God created the universe and everything in it.  He created you just as He did all of us for the purpose of sharing His love with mankind and to bring glory to His name.  EVERY human being is precious in God's eyes.  He loves us all so much that He sent His son, Jesus, to die for us.  Jesus is the ONLY way to God!  Simply accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved from living eternally separated from God.  And there is even an added benefit of accepting Him.  You will experience His love and peace in this life as well!  You can live in the Kingdom of God right now Dora!  He will change your whole attitude about life, and give you peace that supasses all understanding.  You won't even feel the need to call anyone names anymore.  You will find yourself wanting to share God's love with everyone you know.  He is real Dora.  Jesus is THE way, THE truth, and THE life.  Repent and accept Him tonight!  You won't be sorry.

Dora:

Do you feel that Obama continuing Bush's policies is for the greater good?

Daily Toreador - Obama's Guantanamo shows no changehttp://media.www.dailytoreador.com/media/storage/paper870/news/2009/04/23/Opinions/Obamas.Guantanamo.Shows.No.Change-3722441.shtml
Obama's Guantanamo shows no

change
By: Paul Williamson/Columnist
Posted: 4/23/09
President Barack Obama spent the entirety of his campaign cramming change down our throats. He wanted the change the past eight years of a Bush administration that was, let's just say, subpar.

One of the key areas where Obama was most critical was Guantanamo Bay, where the Bush administration tortured, illegally detained and created a legal black hole where no one could challenge their detention in any court.


Obama has done the right thing in shutting it down. Civil libertarians, like myself, were elated. It was a huge step forward.


Unfortunately, it is looking like this celebration was a bit premature.


There is another air force base in Afghanistan where the United States holds detainees. It is in Bagram. Almost immediately after issuing the executive order to put an end to Gitmo, Obama doubled the size of the military prison at Bagram. Coincidence? I think I smell something fishy.


In 2002, the base became infamous for two prisoners who were killed due to the use of torture. In 2007 the Red Cross issued a formal complaint to the U.S. government that fell on deaf ears. Now, earlier this month, Federal District Judge John Bates, who ironically enough was a Bush appointee, ruled non-Afghanistan detainees at Bagram could challenge their detention in U.S. courts. Obama's administration argued the same legal mumbo jumbo that Bush did for the years following Sept. 11. Now Obama is appealing the ruling.


According to a Time magazine report this looks awfully similar to something we have seen before. "If successful, the argument by Obama's Justice Department attorneys could create a loophole that would allow Obama to transfer prisoners to war zones for indefinite detention, a situation similar to the legal limbo that Bush established for Guantanamo."


When asked about this the administration has been very ambiguous. Obama has stated he will "protect information that is classified for purposes of national security." Oh boy, here we go again.


The point that needs to be made is this. The United States is the beacon of democracy and rule of law. It became great because we valued the rule of law, limited government powers, checks and balances, respecting human rights, etc. Terrorist organizations do not like these ideas. They rely on chaos and fear to get their message across and destroy democracy and human rights.


The question now posed is this: Why should we lower our standards in this new fight? Why should we give up our dignity to win this fight? Is it a fight worth winning if we have to destroy the very ideas our founding fathers stood for?


It is not.


I have said this in past columns; I am not an avid supporter of Obama. But I was very happy with his stances on issues like the war on terrorism. Obama has stated in the past, "Our courts have employed habeas corpus with rigor and fairness for more than two centuries, and we must continue to do so as we defend the freedom that violent extremists seek to destroy."


Now is the critical time for the Obama administration to take a stance and set the tone for the rest of the administration. This is not the only area of civil liberties Obama can change.


Three key provisions of the Patriot Act are going to expire at the end of 2009. Wireless phone tapping is still a lingering issue at hand. Obama also is facing pressure from the CIA to continue rendition practices where the United States exports torture to other countries. We send our detainees to other countries to be interrogated so the United States does not get any of the blame if human rights are violated.


If the government has the power to take away the rights of some, who is to say they can not take away the rights of all? The Bush administration was probably the worst administration for civil liberties in the United States. The Constitution and the rule of law was thrown to the wind. It is up to Obama to take a stance now and say no more.


It is very easy to run around preaching change and hope. Actions speak louder than words, Obama. I call on this administration to end its appeal of John Bates' decision and to end the abuse of civil liberties that have occurred during the past eight years. He has plenty of time to do it. The question is, will he?

© Copyright 2009 Daily Toreador

what about obama's wiring taping argument?  he railed against Bush during the campaign about this and then recently flip flopped and sided with Bush.  did people vote for obama because of his honesty and knowledge?  they should be disappointed if this is true.  after raising hell about this issue, there are only a few peeps from the liberals concerning this subject.  i guess those that say liberals don't really care what obama does because they are his followers is true.

There are two categories of conservatives. I want to be a RCNH. (redneck conservative nigger hater) Who do I go to join the club? The answer in this thread is clear - God. God is the only one who knows without a doubt that blacks are good for only two things - jumping and running faster than whites. Of course he told me that I would also need a pick-up truck and plenty of guns - these so called "African Americans" need to go back to Africa where they belong, and lots of firepower will help get them on the boat.

I Woke Up Dead
That’s right - dead as the proverbial “doornail“...or is it “doorknob?” I never get this right, but does it matter? From a purely semantic viewpoint, a doornail is considerably different than a doorknob, but either way there is something drastically wrong with this phrase and I have to ask, “Who came up with this?“ There is no connection between either phrase and death...wait! Dead or alive, I see the connection now and it is “doornail” - I am certain because it is exactly what one needs to hammer the coffin lid shut. That makes sense but I still have a problem - as a rule, there are no nails in doors. With or without accessories, screws are used exclusively. It doesn’t work!
“Why...I say, Clara my darling, I must have a doorscrew! I don’t think I can wait, my dear.”
Finally, dead after almost 20 years spent searching for clues to the meaning of useless phraseology, I have answers. In death, I have insight.
Did I stipulate an open casket in my Living Will? I don’t remember, but as I stand next to myself, I realize the absurdity - I look like an alien from Uranus...not mine, that’s for sure. Nobody notices when I wiggle my nose. I guess things are pretty much the same in death. I don’t feel bad either. In fact - I feel great. Too bad they didn’t let us know it would be like this. They probably couldn’t - things would start getting crowded. Right now, I don’t see anybody except the “living.” What the hell is that all about?
By golly, jeepers, I have so much to tell you that I don’t know where to begin. (What's with the stupid words - I never say things like "jeepers.") I will say this - death is not what it is cracked up to be. There are no Angels and St. Peter looks like a toll collector on the New Jersey Turnpike; bored stiff. (No pun intended) I’m not even sure it’s him and if this is heaven, they really went overboard on the color - everything is red, not white. Heaven is supposed to be white, right? Right.
Uh oh. St. Peter is calling me. I figure I better get a jump on things (jump?) so I tell Pete I’m the new guy and he says “You have to wear these.” It looks like scarlet overalls with the standard suspenders. They should be optional. Again, the color gives me the willies and my best guess is that some slob named Willy was afraid of something and it might have been this place.
“Okay, Pete, I’m at your beck and call.” (What the fuck is a beck?) I ask him where I can go to change and he tells me “You can use door number one, two or three - they are all vacant. Which door do you want?”
“Any one...I gotta’ pee and I can’t hold on much longer.”
“Well then, choose a door.”
“Is this some kind of game show?”
“What is a game show?” he asks me.
“What’s a beck?” I’m not giving him anything until he explains that one.
“How should I know,” he says, “I only work here.” He’s fucking with me.
“Listen buddy, you better straighten up and fly right.” Jesus, I don’t even have wings, and what’s wrong with my posture?
“Just tell me which door I should use to change.”
“You’re never going to change here,” he says with a sardonic grin.
“Well, if that’s the case-”
“Your case number is 1,645,378,900,546,376,456,354. That’s 1 zillion, 645 trillion; 378 billion, 900 million; 546 million, 456 thousand; and 3 hundred and 54.” Sounds right to me. “You win the grand prize!”
“I do...why?”
“We always give the grand prize to any number ending in 54.”
“So what do I get?”
“Choose a door and you’ll find out?” The game show again.
“Okay...door number...2_wait, 3_no_1_wait...uh...3 - that’s the one - 3.”
“Are you sure?”
“No.”
“Well I’ll tell you what. If you want, I’ll give you two more weeks alive in exchange for door number 3. How’s that sound?”
“I don’t have a clue...what’s behind the other two.”
“One of them is eternal life, and I can’t tell you what the other is.”
“Why not?”
“God told me not to tell you.” I knew that waking up dead wasn’t good, but I never imagined this.
“Listen, Pete, can I speak with God for a minute?”
“I’ll check.” He pulls out a cellphone, punches in some numbers and hands the phone to me. Now I am afraid - I never spoke with God before.
“Hello.”
“Hello, can you hear me?”
“Yes, my son, I hear you.”
“God, this St. Peter guy is fucking with me.”
“He is? That’s it! I’ve warned him about this twice. He’s done...kaput. Is your name Smith?”
“Yes.”
“Jesus!”
“I’m in the bathroom, Dad.”

Titus- what freedoms?  still waiting for your answer...if you have one.
You are welcome to your opinions, Titus- just not your own facts.

DS- once again you have managed to waste your time- I don't really care- it's your time, not mine- I skip over your posts now.

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Tea parties = Klan meetings?
By Larry Elder
Did you know that only racists turned out for the recent nationwide "tea parties"?!
"Let's be very honest about what this is about," actress/comedian Janeane Garofalo (the Wicked Witch of the West...Coast -- Robert) said on Keith Olbermann's MSNBC show. "It's not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of tea-bagging rednecks."
Oh.
A few days after Garofalo's analysis of why many Americans took to the streets in protest of the Obama administration's borrowing, spending and upcoming tax hikes, I sat in the chair at my barber's shop. A black customer came in, sat down and asked me whether I watched the coverage on the tea parties.
"Some," I said.
"Well," he responded, "it looked like a Klan meeting."
"Excuse me?"
"I looked at my television," he said. "I saw a bunch of white folks. It looked like a Klan meeting."
"Tell me you're kidding."
"No, it was nothing but white people. Looked like a Klan meeting."
"Really? I sometimes go to West Angeles (a large inner-city church with a predominately black congregation). Suppose a white guy walked into a Sunday service there and said, 'Looks like a bunch of Bloods and Crips to me.'"
"That's not the same."
"Isn't it? A bunch of people – some blacks included – came together in protest over this bailout stuff. But because most of them were white, you compared it to the Klan. News flash, my friend – not all white folks belong to the Klan."
"OK, maybe you got a point."
"Maybe?" I asked. "What would you say if white people said that given President Barack Obama's 20-year relationship with his whack-job pastor, Obama is the one who's racist?"
"What? Are you calling Obama racist?"
"No, I said one could make a stronger argument about that than your argument about the 'racist' tea parties."
"But Obama's a really smart guy. He didn't know about those things Rev. Wright said."
"Oh, no? When Obama announced his candidacy for president in Springfield, Ill., Rev. Wright was supposed to deliver the invocation. At the last moment, Obama called Wright and canceled him. But Obama didn't know that his pastor was controversial?"
No response.
"And after the cancellation, Wright said something to the effect of, 'Well, once people find out what I've done, the Jews could cause Obama some problems.'"
"That still doesn't mean Obama knew about the reverend's views."
"Did you read Obama's book? The first one?"
"No."
"Obama wrote about attending the sermon where Wright talks about the 'audacity of hope.' The reverend talked about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, cities America bombed to end World War II. My dad, a Marine, was stationed on the island of Guam when we assumed Japan would have to be invaded. Instead, we ended the war by dropping those bombs – saving probably a million Japanese and American lives. Wright compared this to what happened in South Africa in 1960 in a place called Sharpeville. Do you know about Sharpeville?"
"No."
"Over 250 innocent black men, women and children were killed or wounded when the apartheid government opened fire on unarmed protesters – a lot of them shot in the back. Now, Obama attended that sermon and had no problem with Wright comparing Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Sharpeville. Outrageous! And Obama used 'The Audacity of Hope' as the title of his second book and as a slogan when he ran for president. You want it both ways. Obama is so bright, but he was clueless about the stupid ideas of his pastor."
"Well, he isn't responsible for what his reverend says or believes."
"Never said he was. We're talking about whether Obama knew that Wright thought 9/11 was about the 'chickens coming home to roost' and that Wright implied that government was behind the drug epidemic by supplying the drugs."
Again, nothing.
"Suppose John McCain attended a church whose pastor – a man he referred to as his spiritual adviser – made racist comments about blacks and other people. The press would have been all over it, and McCain wouldn't have gotten his party's nomination. And if it came out too late for that, he would have been slaughtered in the election."
"You know," he conceded, "I guess when you like somebody, you tend to make excuses for them."
"That's what I'm saying. One more point. Nobody, by the way, stopped you, as a black man, from going to one of those tea parties. You didn't have to flash a secret sign. There was no registration fee. Nobody posted guards, stopping people at the gate. You try walking into a Klan meeting."
He laughed. As I got up to leave, we shook hands.
"One small step for man," I told him. "One giant leap for mankind."
"You take care," he said.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/opinion/dp-ed_we...

No change
April 22, 2009<!-- sphereit start -->

 
Presidential candidate Barack Obama promised change, but is President Obama actually delivering change? A close look at his actions and policies does not reveal change.

He is continuing what the Bush administration was doing by increasing the size of government and its imposition of more control over our lives and spending us further into enormous debt. Our troops are still in Iraq, and he is expanding the war in Afghanistan. We are still stimulating and bailing out the sick economy by using money we don't have but have to borrow from China. He is ignoring the security of our country's borders and the millions who have illegally settled in the United States. We are still following President George W. Bush's basic policies on North Korea, Pakistan and Iran. Guantanamo is still functioning as a prison for captured combatants, and we are still electronically spying on everybody in the world including us.

It is only the superficies that has changed. So much for "change you can believe in."

Dora--are you paying any attention to these posts, the news, the papers and the actual information coming from the Whitehouse itself?  if you are as educated as you say you are, you have some nerve asking me about what freedoms are being taken away.  i don't have to state my opinions because the issues i have with obama can be proven.  however, i do like the actual information from the Whitehouse, but that is the source that is most disturbing because it comes from the actual horse's mouth.  do your research and read the blogs here and you SHOULD be able to figure it out.  i could make a very long list but you will refuse to believe it because you are a liberal.  that question is unbelievable and is reflective of how liberals can't seem to put the pieces of the puzzle together and refuse to see what is actually in their faces.

Hey it’s a lot better than the filth that spews from Limbaugh’s and Lavenes mouth. My general rule with those evil hearted men is to take what ever they are saying and flip it 180 and thats what the real truth of the story is

HAHA I always loved O'Rielly's opening statement "you have reached the no spin zone"

more like "you are about to get dizzy because I spin the heck out of every single word that comes from my bigoted shovanistic mouth"

now thats the truth :]

my today's anti-assymetric libland no longer invisible war: "seaofwar", sounds navy, adventure... go NATO guys!, libland sais "I invent you even still exist"...
by the way, as a teaprty cretivity and adhonorem also army and allies entertainer, old EIB institute for advanced conservative studies, by the way, a sample of my infinite knowledge potential enlightment: conservativism, doesn't need to be redefine...
I play freedomedia, not drivebymedia, I don't help terror even uncounciously going after Bush instead libland.
also, by the way I have a prove of assymetric selectivity, from my birthland, castro-friend party on "
power:
 Respuesta mia a e-mails de inteligencia cubana a travez de mi familia, miami tiene bastantes agentes autoridades todavia)
mi respuesta a que vaya de "vacaciones a Panama en estos tiempos"):
No, mejor les contesto publicamente que la denuncita famosa que tanto fanfarronee es ya record global, donde tiene que estar, cada e-mail que me llegue con material de ejemplo de sus redes selectivas van a ser "consideradas por mi como y cuando yo o mis colegas de la batalla por las ideas, o de mis tropas aliadas, de las cuales me considero un entertainer, ademas de el trabajo masivo para la cracion de los teaparties, que no van a eliminar al GOP o al Democrata, no van a asegurarse que fidel no use el estado Americano (EU y America) para persecusiones selectivas, o masivas de partidos politicos y otras libertades que los comunisto-terroristas han venido "cambiando' (Dios en las escuelas, sodomia, profesores travestis... trampa$ a$imetrica$ de uso de menores en conspiracione$ de eleiminacion de todas maneras, viagra en el te, mi madrastra coyote de las autoridaes de miami, hasta guineapigs ball-drops the size of a pill, en su daycare ilegal obama, muchas cartas de acorn desde hacen mas de 5 años...)...
bueno, mi respuesta al e-mail de los esbirros doctores y policias de mi mama aqui en miami y en panama, y a mis amigos dondesea:
(en este lugar de internet "no noise" a school class jsta tarted to sing, wao) the teachers with perfect accent make more noise than the kids, the kids are sleepy even), whatever, is a coincidence "I have to get to use too... naaa naaaa naaaa!:
mi respuesta:
No, con la misma gente que me secuestro y que denuncie de lo lindo aqui, que 'sobrepaso" mi denuncia en lo de terrorismo genocida selectivo, sino que dio un movimiento global anti-terrorista y que una de sus razones por naturaleza es redes asimetricas de logistica terrorista, inmediatamente involucradas al perseguir opositores activos (trabaje como nunca en "mensagitos con mis cosas" junto a mucha gente que comparte mis problemas de cosas politicas, mismo modus operandi, familia, trabajo intervenidos, castrismo, coyote, es increible como la gente sabe luchar, como en mi ultimo trabajo de estos meses casualmente, se logro la creacion de los Tea parties, como me llamo WBush: grassroots, generadores de opinion, y la mia es dedicada a la guerra contra el terrorismo, o como le llamen, la OTAN con los piratas tiene a obama que todavia no lo cree como en Europa y en Estados Unidos se le desenmascaro, cosa que le esta pasando como arena entre sus dedos con su cuento comunista viejo...
Es mas, esto va para el internet, como "inspiracion para las mejores tropas del mundo en muchos tiempos", la batalla por las ideas del sueño americano, un sueño universal,
no doctores y esbirros de la dictadura, ta duro que se olvide que su amo ya ta señalado como narcoTERRORISTA, desde antes de la invasion, ya ustades decapitaban e interrogaban y hacian listas de indeseables, igual que el resto del sistenma de logistica terrorista global:, acorn, en EU, fanniemae, freddymax, usan el mismo modus operandi...
No esbirros, obama, no logro la mayoria absoluta de vodka, el prd ya tenia record narcoTERRORISTA, cada agente politico que no fue perseguido por fidel debe ser denunciado por no protestar, ya que "cualquiera" es menos que el sistemita "invisible eterno", "invento mio de mi imaginacion"...
I was silenced from the site dealante.com

My anti-assymetric libland no longer invisible warname now:
seasofviolence.
Sorry for I also wasn't born on American soil, so my "American English" is also naive as bho when I talk...
but people listen...
learn it is a global terror logistic sistem decades experienced, acorn have recieved bill$bailouts on all of them till now.
And Bush, Teaparties, veterans have to face megagov, the "new" godzila lizard on town, secret weapon to destroy the lizard: psst: a word...
megataxfraud$...
stay tunned

John--I guess your point is valid from a liberal point of view because the spin you guys put on every issue is a joke.  there have been countless "half-truths" from your side that i laugh at.  I happen to love O'Reilly because he speaks the truth and i agree with him most of the time.  I guess you found frank's interview enlightening and feel frank was a victim, huh?  i guess the entire video of him lying to congress last july is just a dream, huh.  now i saw his testimony before O'Reilly showed parts of it so i understand whole story.  O'Reilly was on point.  your post doesn't have substance.  however, you can talk to your liberal buddy murtha who is going to receive $200 million to pour into an obscure airport with only three flights.  they want it to repave a secondary runway that meets the standards already and really doesn't need to be repaved according to the head of the airport.  this is too easy of a conversation.  or how about frank himself talking about the deficit and how that is not a priority right now and they would get the money from the "rich" later.  hmmmmmm!  how about a democratic senator saying that the American people don't care about pork projects and wasteful spending.  sounds a little funny to most people.  there are too many to list.  I can't speak for Rush because I haven't listened to him very much at all.  however, from what i have heard, he is on target.

Dora,
I'll be the one to determine when I'm wasting my time, not you.  God is able to speak to you and remind you of what He wants you to know EVERY time you see my name (DS), whether you read my post or not!  So just seeing my name (DS) will be enough for the Holy Spirit to convict you of your sin.  God is more powerful than satan, or our feeble minds.  God isn't finished with you yet Dora.  He still loves you even though you mock Him.  As He hung on the cross with His blood spilling on the ground, He asked God to "forgive them, for they know not what they do".   His blood became a covering for all of our sins.  It became His gift to everyone who would believe, and it is available to ANYONE who will receive it.  Rejecting it is the ONLY sin which man can commit that will condemn him to hell, which is eternal separation from God.  His blood, death, and resurrection is a "free" gift to you Dora.  But like any gift, you have to receive it to make it yours.  If you reject it, you will have to stand alone before God on Judgement Day and defend yourself regarding everything that you did in this life.  And NOBODY will be able to stand before God on their own merits.  We have ALL sinned!!  Repent today Dora!  Accept His free gift and allow Jesus to defend you before God on Judgement Day!  The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from ALL unrighteousness!!  Satan cringes at the sight of His blood!!  He knows that he has no power over the blood of Jesus!!  Hallelujah, thank you Jesus!!!

John,

I loved your post.

Repent, John, before it's too late - there's trouble brewing. I hear from the most unreliable sources that DS is up for Assistant God. I guess the boss wants to shake things up. I'm okay for now...according to DS God loves me.

I wonder what she looks like.

Titus- regarding your consistently wrong information and your actual admission to putting Bill O'Reilly in charge of your ability to separate facts from fiction,    I will file this in the "no wonder department" .

...anyone who has watched much of Bill O'Reilly's work has already heard him bullying guests, suppressing opposing viewpoints, and engaging in blatant self-contradiction often enough to raise suspicions that all is not well in O'Reilly land.  Viewers who, in the face of this evidence, go on believing that O'Reilly presides over a "no-spin zone" may have already demonstrated their imperviousness to the kind of debunking that is evident and available in countless sources.  
O'Reilly's misstatements and self-contradictions are legion, and his bias incontrovertible. And though anyone can make mistakes, Bill O'Reilly is often not just wrong, but flamboyantly, defiantly wrong. He speaks with the utmost assurance about things that he evidently knows nothing about. He pulls statistics out of thin air and then defends them doggedly. Sometimes, when challenged, he goes on the offensive: "You're either lying or can't read"; "You are basically calling every District Attorney in New York a liar".
More  priceless:  the exchange in which New Mexico Senator Jeff Bingaman tries, repeatedly and without success, to explain to O'Reilly why some legislation he's filed doesn't contain a provision O'Reilly really, really wants it to contain: it doesn't have to be there, since it's already "the law of the land." O'Reilly simply refuses to listen.
O’Reilly’s "no-spin" motto is clever marketing—but who’s keeping track of O’Reilly’s own spin? From his support for Bush’s tax cuts and the war with Iraq to his attacks on everything from National Public Radio to "welfare mothers," O’Reilly often contradicts himself and consistently concocts evidence to support his conservative talking points.

His misguided opinions, stated as facts, are often simply wrong, such as his claim that the U.S. "gives far and away more tax money to foreign countries than anyone else . . . Nobody else even comes close to us" (per capita the U.S. is near the bottom of the list for developed countries). Other of his statements are deliberately inflammatory, such as his suggestion that we bomb Libyan civilians in the aftermath of September 11 ("Let them eat sand"). Weeks later O’Reilly denied the sentiment, though he has publicly stated that "If you’re not providing controversy and excitement, people won’t listen or watch."
There are sooooooo many places you could look to verify what claims Bill O'Reilly  have made.  I would bet my ranch that you have never taken one step to do so, Titus.
There really is a sucker born every minute, Titus.  You are walking evidence of this.

Assistant god?  You know, ML, I was glancing on Monster.com and missed this opening.  Gosh.
We should apply... maybe we could be co-assistants !!
I could be in charge of lightning,  you have to handle the locust to do's-  I am not such a fan of bugs.

Dora--i do check facts when i need to and am not like you and the rest of the liberals.  i've read your posts and they have been the exact rhetoric obama spewed.  This has been proven time and time again on this site that he lied.  i actually pay attention to obama and what the whitehouse says and look at him for what he is as well as conducting my own research.  i have found the same things you are claiming on CNN, MSNBC, etc., consistently, especially with the liberal hosts such as maddow and obermann--the two main people who like to stretch the truth.  i've seen very few shows where they chose to show both sides of any argument.  o'reilly doesn't bully people and that is the typical arrogant attitude of the left.  he just doesn't like liars and people who don't want to answer questions, i.e, frank.  frank was caught in his testimony and tried to weasel his way out.  it was funny.  this happens time and time again.  so your post is aimed at the liberal shows.  thanks for clarifying!  oh, by the way, contrary to what the whitehouse and obama said, he bowed to the saudi king, signed the stimulus without knowing what was in it and as of today was made a fool of by castro.  These are just a few of his "mistakes."  so much for taking up for obama.

Dora,

You get the lightening and I get bugs? I'd consider it but I heard there's a big one up DS' ass. I''m not reaching in there! 

You, Dora, are Godless...and ruthless as well. I still...

the epa announced that energy costs will go up approximately 22% for every family under obama's cap and trade.  now that is ridiculous during good economic times but..................   some liberal was in an interview taking up for this nonsense saying that it will actually cost people less because they will save.  what ignorance!  this is not including the increased costs in everything we buy.  I as well as others knew this was going to happen and I posted comments on this a while back.  now unlike liberals, i am thinking about the elderly living on SS who have to turn up the heat to keep warm in the winter.  I have done a lot of volunteer work to help the poor elderly folks who only have SS so i can tell you they don't waste so they can't save unless they freeze in the winter or burn up in the summer.  i guess the poor elderly will cut back on essentials like food.  now i didn't even talk about poor families who are barely getting by or losing their homes.  i guess this is what he meant by everyone having to sacrifice and "hope" and "change?"  go obama!  you are doing such a great job--not!  oh let me apologize quickly for my mistake!  i forgot about the $13/week tax cuts that obama gave to the middleclass because of his generosity.  you know how it is--people don't actually earn that money and don't deserve to keep more of what they earn or anything as dumb as that!  it is purely out of the goodness of obama's heart that he threw the middleclass a bone.  he might as well have yelled fetch because he is going to get that money back plus more!  oh, but his supporters love him and are stupid enough not to see our freedoms being taken away.  well, at least the $200 million spent on repaving a backup runway that according to the head of the murtha airport in PA is not necessary is not wasting taxpayer dollars.  this is especially true since there are a lot of flights in and out a day -- a total of three!  note that it is for the idiot democrat murtha who is proud of his pork spending even in a time of an economic crisis.  i'm glad to see obama is really working hard to rein in spending as he promised!  i think keeping down the pig smell is a better project!  LOL!  how in the hell can the liberal democrats even come out of their houses without feeling shame?  i would normally not categorize folks because there are some people who don't fit the mold.  however, in this case his supporters are too stupid to understand the simplest of issues and will continue to cause this country great harm.  what more can we expect from obama?  the aunt that he admired and mentioned in his book is living off the government in project housing while he has been living in the lap of luxury with millions of dollars in income most of which come from his book sales.  now even though she is extremely poor, she gave to obama's campaign.  (the money was later returned to her.)  when asked about her legal status, he threw her to the wolves and said that he would leave it up to the proper authorities to figure it out.  what a great guy!  so obama's compassion is shown here!  does anyone else get this but me?  let's see liberals = selfish = bad policies = continued destruction of our nation.  i can see why they love their savior and leader!

ML,  (and Dora as well since you have already reneged on your threat to ignore my posts.  I knew you were lieing, just as your father (devil) does)

I'm thankful to see that you have not heard enough about God, and how much He loves you!  But that doesn't mean that He overlooks your sin Michael.  Only the blood of Jesus is able to wash away your sins!  You need His blood Michael.  Repent and bow before Him today!  Do not disregard the warnings of the prophet Michael.  God's patience isn't without end. 

ML, why do you always try to bring someone else into "our" discussion?  You are the master wordsmith and intellectual superior on this site.  Are you finding yourself speechless when it comes to spiritual things?  Do you suddenly need others to help you mock and attack God?  If I were they, I would ignore your pleas for help so that they won't experience the wrath of God as you are bringing upon yourself!  Oh God, have mercy on those who mock you!  They know not what they do, oh Lord. 

Galatians 6:7-8
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature[a]will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

2 Chronicles 36:15-16 
15 The LORD, the God of their fathers, sent word to them through his messengers again and again, because he had pity on his people and on his dwelling place. 16 But they mocked God's messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the LORD was aroused against his people and there was no remedy.

http://amconmag.com/article/2009/apr/20/00020/

With Obama in office, liberals learn to love war.

By Justin Raimondo
The antiwar rally at the University of Iowa was sparsely attended. The below 30 degree weather might have had something to do with it, but Paul Street, a local writer and one of the speakers, had another theory, as the Daily Iowan reported:
Before the crowd of fewer than 20, Street questioned why the ‘left’ locals and university officials aren’t doing more to help in the protests against the war. ‘The big truth right now, whether this town’s missing-in-action progressives get it or not, is that we need to fight the rich, not their wars,’ he said, citing big corporations for wasting their technology and funding on war.
The big truth is that the antiwar movement has largely collapsed in the face of Barack Obama’s victory: the massive antiwar marches that were a feature of the Bush years are a thing of the past. Those ostensibly antiwar organizations that did so much to agitate against the Iraq War have now fallen into line behind their commander in chief and are simply awaiting orders.
Take, for example, Moveon.org, the online activist group that ran antiwar ads during the election—but only against Republicans—in coalition with a group of labor unions and Americans Against Escalation in Iraq. Behind AAEI stood three of Obama’s top political operatives, Steve Hildebrand, Paul Tewes, and Brad Woodhouse. Woodhouse is now the Democratic National Committee’s director of communications and research. He controls the massive e-mail list culled by the Obama campaign during the primaries and subsequently, as well as a list of all those who gave money to the presumed peace candidate. These donors are no doubt wondering what Obama is doing escalating the war in Afghanistan and venturing into Pakistan.
As Greg Sargent noted over at WhoRunsGov.com, a Washington Post-sponsored site, “Don’t look now, but President Obama’s announcement today of an escalation in the American presence in Afghanistan is being met with mostly silence—and even some support—from the most influential liberal groups who opposed the Iraq War.”
In response to inquiries, Moveon.org refused to make any public statement about Obama’s rollout of the Af-Pak escalation, although someone described as “an official close to the group” is cited by WhoRunsGov as confirming that “MoveOn wouldn’t be saying anything in the near term.” A vague promise to poll their members was mentioned—“though it’s unclear when.” Don’t hold your breath.
Another Democratic Party front masquerading as a peace group, Americans United for Change, declined to comment on the war plans of the new administration. This astroturf organization ran $600,000 worth of television ads in the summer of 2007, focusing like a laser on congressional districts with Republican incumbents. Change? Not so fast.
The boldest of the peacenik sellouts, however, is Jon Soltz of VoteVets, described by WhoRunsGov as “among the most pugnacious anti-Iraq war groups.” They came out fists flying, endorsing the escalation of the Long War.
According to Soltz, there is “much to like in the plan,” but his faves boil down to three factors, which supposedly represent “a stark departure” from the bad old days of the Bush administration. He applauds the administration’s recognition that “The military can’t do it all.” Yet we’re increasing the troop levels by some 17,000, plus 4,000 trainers to babysit the barely existent Afghan “army.” We’re going to send thousands more civilians—aid workers, medical personnel, and military contractors—to build the infrastructure lacking in Afghan society and promote fealty to the central government in Kabul. Schools, clinics, roads, and shopping malls will be built with American tax dollars in order to foster trust between the Afghans, their occupiers, and their government.
This nation-building strategy is at the core of the new counterinsurgency doctrine championed by Gen. David Petraeus and hailed by the policy wonks at the Center for a New American Security—the source of many Obama administration appointees at State and the civilian upper echelons of the Pentagon—as the key to victory on the Af-Pak front. Yet this scheme seems no less grandiose, in terms of its scope, than the “democracy building” campaign of the neocons, who set out to effect lasting change in the political landscape in the region. The Obamaites are much more ambitious: they seek to transform the economic and social landscape.
Another factor in the Obama Af-Pak war plan that appeals to Soltz and his fellow VoteVets is that “though it’s the ‘war in Afghanistan,’ we need to treat it like a region.” Translation: Don’t be surprised when Obama’s war spreads beyond Afghanistan’s borders. “This is a regional problem,” Soltz solemnly avers, “that requires a regional solution.” Imagine if George W. Bush had gone “regional” and announced that he was going to include Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, and Iran in his plan to “liberate” Iraq? Soltz and his sometime peacenik buddies would have gone ballistic, denouncing this “escalation” of the conflict and demanding that we pull back. Yet the rules for the Af-Pak region are apparently quite different because, after all, this is Barack Obama doing the escalating.
Soltz doesn’t confront the obvious arguments against the Af-Pak plan: How is this different from the occupation of Iraq? Aren’t we creating more enemies by bombing hapless Pakistani villagers with drones? What about Afghanistan and Pakistan’s neighbors, notably Russia—do we really want to add them to our enemies list, as they respond with distrust to our feeding of this fire on their frontiers?
Soltz never answers these questions because he never bothers to ask them. He merely assumes the perfect justice and practicality of Obama’s Afghan cause. He is a soldier following orders. Like the neoconized Republican cadre that hooted down Ron Paul as he rose to challenge the Bush foreign policy during the GOP presidential primary debates, a similarly brainwashed Democratic base is now cheerleading their leader and shouting down dissenters even as this White House repeats—and enlarges—the mistakes of the previous occupant.
The Center for American Progress, a liberal-Left think tank that sheltered many foreign-policy analysts who opposed the Iraq War and was beginning to develop a comprehensive critique of global interventionism, has recently issued a report on Afghanistan that includes a number of short-term, medium-term, and long-term (ten-year) goals, including among the latter:

Assist in creating an Afghan state that is able to defend itself internally and externally, and that can provide for the basic needs of its own people.

Prepare for the full military withdrawal from Afghanistan alongside continued diplomatic and economic measures to promote the sustainable security of Afghanistan.

Simply substitute Iraq for Afghanistan, and what we get is the war policy of the Bush era. That the center is run by John Podesta, who served as Obama’s transition chief, is perhaps explanation enough for the complete turnaround. One wonders, however, if the center’s more anti-interventionist scholars, such as Matthew Yglesias, whose popular blog has attracted a substantial audience, will be forced to toe the new line—or be forced out.
One also wonders when this administration will decide to let the American people in on the news that the Af-Pak war is slated to last at least a decade, if not more. During the campaign, and well before that, Joe Biden was self-righteously denouncing the Bush administration and its journalistic amen corner for not “leveling with the American people” and admitting the magnitude of our commitment in Iraq. Yet the administration of which he is now part is just as evasive on the question of an exit strategy and timeframe in Afghanistan and now Pakistan.
Biden’s counsel of restraint apparently lost out in the internal debate, and the Hillary-Gates escalators triumphed. It is inconceivable that the vice president would go public with his criticisms—he’s no Cheney. And opposition among the Democrats in Congress is low-key, minimal, and effectively marginalized.
A recent headline in The Hill tells the whole sad story: “Anti-war Democrats remain silent about Obama’s policies.” A pow-wow between Barbara Lee, famous for her lone opposition in Congress to the Afghan war early on, Lynn Woolsey, and Maxine Waters, California Democrats and vocal opponents of “Bush’s war,” failed to produce a joint statement on Obama’s Afghan surge.
Divided and distracted by the economic crisis, the antiwar caucus in Congress is effectively dissolved, although a few voices are raised in warning and protest: we are headed for “a war without end,” said Congressman James McGovern (D-Mass.), who seems to have learned the real lesson of the Iraq War—that occupation produces more enemies than it subdues.
Russ Feingold says that Obama’s war plan “could make the situation worse, not better.” More ominous for the administration is the criticism coming from Sen. Carl Levin over the $1.5 billion nonmilitary aid package for Pakistan, which Levin fears could be seen as a bribe—and an insult. He also wonders why the Pakistanis allow the Taliban to operate openly in the city of Quetta and questions their interest in policing the Afghan border.
There is also a rising tide of criticism coming from the Democratic base: visitors to the liberal website Dailykos.com are likely to encounter antiwar screeds nearly as impassioned as those that were posted during the Bush years, albeit written in sadness and bewilderment rather than anger.
Within the organized antiwar movement itself, the Democratic Party fronts like Moveon.org and VoteVets are increasingly isolated as more representative groups shift to the forefront: “It’s a shame President Obama believes he can pursue the same militaristic strategy as his predecessors and produce a different result,” says Kevin Martin, executive director of Peace Action. Tom Andrews, executive director of Win Without War, takes a similar stance:

I regret that President Obama, in his desire to protect our nation from a genuine threat, has outlined a policy that will undermine our security, not enhance it. In short, the president’s policy is playing into the hands of Al Qaeda and the Taliban by providing them with a cause that unites and strengthens them.

This is precisely correct, and it echoes what Michael Scheuer, the former CIA officer and chief of the Agency’s bin Laden unit, says in Imperial Hubris:

U.S., British, and other coalition forces are trying to govern apparently ungovernable postwar states in Afghanistan and Iraq, while simultaneously fighting growing Islamist insurgencies in each—a state of affairs our leaders call victory. In conducting these activities, and the conventional military campaigns preceding them, U.S. forces and policies are completing the radicalization of the Islamic world, something Osama bin Laden has been trying to do with substantial but incomplete success since the early 1990s. As a result, I think it fair to conclude that the United States of America remains bin Laden’s only indispensable ally.

Those words were written in 2004, and since then nothing has changed: we are still acting as bin Laden’s greatest recruiter and ally. Scheuer’s is the classical realist view, which makes American interests, narrowly conceived, the central organizing principle and starting point of a rational foreign policy.
During the Bush era, there was a growing convergence of Republican realists and antiwar liberals. Yet in the age of Obama, it seems, many of the latter are getting in touch with their inner hawk.
President Obama is often compared to FDR or John F. Kennedy, but I agree with Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation, who worries that he’s more likely to turn out to be another Lyndon Baines Johnson—a president who triumphed against a perceived warmonger at the polls and embodied liberal hopes on the domestic scene but was then driven from office by a war-weary electorate and an insurgency within his own party. Add a rapidly expiring economy at home to an increasingly unpopular war—or series of wars—abroad, and you have a recipe for disaster: Obama’s Vietnam and the Democratic Party’s Waterloo.  
__________________________________________
Justin Raimondo is editorial director of Antiwar.com and author of Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement.

Dora:

You did a wonderful job in mocking God with your noodle spaghetti jokes.

Clap.

Since there is no satan or devil, why don't you give him some equal time as many Christians, and even "satanists," believe in the existence of satan.

Go ahead, let her rip.  Make some profane jokes about that supposed Prince of Darkness.  Why don't you make fun of some satanists?  Aren't they fools to believe in such a ridiculous character?  (By the way, don't mind the chill in the room.)  Ask satan what store he shops to buy his red underwear?  Ask that sucka what hardware store he buys his pitchfork.  Ask him if he eats that noodle spaghetti with his pitchfork. Ask him if he likes his spaghetti HOT.  While you are at it, ask him if all the parties he throws have ice cubes.  Ask him where he spends the winter and if he believes in global warming.   Ask him who he would have voted for in the last election.

Dora,  rip that fictional rascal up.  What do you have to worry about?  After all, he does not exist, right?

Go beat the devil.

So, NOBODY cared to comment on my challenge in post (184)?  Very interesting indeed.  I think I must have destroyed the red herring of this entire post!!  Liberals surely wouldn't complain that conservatives are racist if we put an entirely black/minority administration in power would they?  They don't care about blacks/minorities at all!!  They simply need to USE them to get what they want.....power!!   So shall we get back to talking about truth?  We can insult each other all day long, and nothing is going to change.  Maybe that is really the objective?  No change?  Keep the embers of hate burning?  Tell me liberals.....do you REALLY want America to succeed?  Do you REALLY want to get along?  Do you REALLY want to know the truth?  Anyone willing to be truthful about this?

I need a country!  Does anybody know where a country is located that has no Liberals?  I AM SICK AND TIRED OF LIBERALS AND THEIR LIES ALL THE WAY TO THE PRESIDENT!

Bud--I'm with you.  ours has been hijacked by the mentally ill-liberals--and i'm sick of it!

Dora,
God isn't done with you yet!  ;-}

You too ML!!  ;-}

Hang in there sister Titus.  Let not your heart be troubled.  God is in control.  He will be glorified no matter what happens!  Time to stop arguing with these libs.  They are all mentally deranged and may I say probably demon possesed.  God is the only one who can change their hearts and save them from themselves.  Just pray hard sister.....

Scene: Meeting of the Board of Directors, Urbancontraceptive.com

Chairman:
Gentlemen, we have a problem. In the past week, sales of our T-shirts have declined by almost 50 percent.
Deeyeth: (Vice Chairman) Ath you all know, we re-dethigned the T-shirt. Emblathoned on the front are the words “Thstop liberal births - use Urbancontratheptives.”
Titass: (Assistant Vice Chairman for Marketing) We believe this is a result of the content on our blog page.
Dorelock: (Content Director) How so, Titass?
Titass: The page has been overrun by religious fanatics. These bible thumpers have made us the laughing stock of the contraceptive industry.
Deeyeth: I have a thuggethgthen. Why not change the wordth to “The only non-thecular contratheptive available without a prethcripthion.”
Chairman: That’s fine, but what do we do about these Jesus freaks?
Dorelock: Simple...kill them.
Chairman: Dorelock, you’re brilliant. Why didn’t I think of that? Oh well, it doesn’t matter. Let’s get to work.

Garofalo

Forgive my rant; but thisa deranged mass of human waste dressed as a human being, Garofalo sickens me with the rhetoric that comes out of her sub-human gargantuan swamp of a mouth. Anyone who takes this worthless parasite serious has got some serious problems. I sure am glad that no one even watches Olbermann anyway. He’s quite the idiot himself.

Bud Mullins

After 236 comments, you just figured that out? Perhaps this site is too advanced for you. You can catch re-runs of the Howdy Doody show on YouTube.

ML,
That was less than entertaining.  I know you can do better than that.  Come on, sit down and take another drag and give us something that you can be proud of....you know you're the man!!  You're so smart, and such a fantastic writer.  How did our country ever survive waiting for such brilliance to show up on the scene?  Now, tell me some more reasons why you're a conservative Michael.  Go ahead and spew out your venom...just like your father does.   Spew it out man...get it all out!  I pray that the Holy Spirit will come against all of those demons that are inside you.  Then you'll be ready for God's love.

DS

Gee, I thought that was pretty damned funny. Especially your character. There was nothing venomous about it...where's your sense of humor? Is that bug still lodged in your rectum?

You're probably the only one who thought it was funny.  You see, you're so in love with yourself that you can't even be real.  Like I once told you, it is too bad you're using your limited talents in the way you are.  You could be using them for God Michael.  And He would give you even more skills thatn you have.  You would even start to make sense.  What a fine day that will be!  Sense of humor?  I thought my last post was pretty funny myself.  ;-}

ML--glad you can laugh at yourself.  I am above such stupid rhetoric and will refrain from commenting.

To Titass...I mean Titus...oh, why don't I just call you Your Highness? No, that won't work - no one is higher than I am right now. 

You are "above such stupid rhetoric and will refrain from commenting." What the hell are you smoking? You just commented, fool.

I am so thankful to have had two wonderful people who taught me to have high morals and values.  Thank goodness my son has this too because it is lacking in today's culture.  That is obvious and unfortunately separates people instead of uniting them.

Titus,

Like organized religion, for example?

Well well- the tea bag parties certainly livened up this spot!  Sorry I missed the fun.  


Regarding Ms. Garafalo's statements; they were a little harsh and certainly not scholarly in any way, but as someone who is a student of social inequality (as well as a teacher), I can say that there is a great deal of empirical evidence that supports her statements.  Well, not the "redneck" part- that's not a very academic term...but there is a statistical association with income, education and racist beliefs and attitudes. Check out and run the numbers on any recent release of the General Social Survey.  It's very simple.


To Hello:  I hear what you are saying, but over the past 20-30 years, political identities have shifted.  Those who used to be democrats now identify as republican and vice verse.  Mostly, the poor and working class have been the groups who have flipped political affiliations, because the rhetoric of the parties have shifted.  Those who used to throw bricks through your window were not doing it because they were democrats- it was because they were unskilled white laborers who were threatened by the competition of black laborers coming into their city.  Racist rhetoric has historically been motivated by economic competition.  30 years ago, unskilled labor identified as democrat because of their need for unionization.  Since then, there has been a movement away from organized labor and a movement towards conservative politics that stresses "white" values as central to a functional society in order to deconstruct the collective power of labor.  As a result, low skilled white labor has by and large, moved to the republican party.  Therefore, it could be argued that those democrats who threw bricks in your window now identify as republicans.  Maybe those very brick throwers were at your tea party.

To Harrysmom

The General Social Survey is a poorly designed instrument that is statistically insignificant because it fails to measure the masking effects of education and income. What we know now is that racism is as common to those in higher income brackets with more education as it is to those without...the correlation to racism is a factor of one's ability to fly under the radar. Money buys education and education buys the tools by which those that "have" are able to hide racist attitudes behind vocabulary and social status. You're right...it's simple.

ML Smith.  You are wrong, but I'd be happy to check out your sources.  Feagin, among others, have done very good work on class and racism- like I said, racism is about economic competition.  Of course the wealthy harbor racist ideologies- they create them and cipher it into the mainstream discourses using their the power structure that they have created.  The poor eat it up despite themselves due to limited education.  Since there are far more poor people than rich people (in raw number), there is a high correlation between racist attitudes and education...so I'm missing your point.  


The GSS fails nothing.  You have to run crosstabs with chi squares and all is accounted for.  Again- not getting your argument.

Harrysmom

You can run chi squares around the block 10 times, I guess we still won't agree. The survey does show a correlation but like I said, the design is faulty. Even you agreed when you said the rich "cipher" racism and "the poor eat it up depite themselves due to limited education."

Do we really need to argue this? I don't put a lot of stock in that survey...it is about as telling as the MMPI, but if you're the expert, so be it. Bottom line...I see racism every day and I despise it. I don't think we disagree on that.

Harrysmom

Oh...you asked about my sources...call the other Smith...I did most of the math for the 2010 version, which will be more reliable.

I know some of you feel bad for me because of the traumas of my past...one of you even dredged up my father. (must have done some research - I'm sure only to help me) But things weren't all bad. I might as well tell you the truth.


One Night in Baghdad
We didn't know anything about teabaggers, but we were experts when it came to illicit drugs. There had to be a better name. Pot, weed, grass, herb...all of them were starting to sound ridiculous, so we changed it to Fosh. The word itself came out of my mouth for no reason, but shit happens. We heard stories that it was being used as far away as Montana. Coincidence? Or the paranormal?
Excerpt from my novel scheduled for publication in 2025.
This particular brand must be opiated. Truthfully, and why shouldn’t I lie, I haven’t been this blitzed in years. I wasn’t looking for this. I cannot move. I’m fucking starving and I can’t move. Timmy is useless - he’s in a coma, except people in comas don’t snore. Fact or fiction? I haven’t the slightest idea. But honestly, how many comas do you see? The only ones I know of I saw on TV. None of them snored.
“Hey Timmy, did you ever notice how women flinch when you first hit the spot?” Suddenly Timmy’s awake.
“They’re getting away with murder - they have an orgasm at the start and again at the finish.”
“Weren’t you just in a coma?”
“No, I had my eyes closed. Listen, I’d really like to know what that first flinch is, but women won’t ever explain it. It’s a quick inhale, right?”
“Yeah, it’s not an orgasm. Timmy, you’re laying on your 47.”
“Let’s ask Brenda. Brenda. Brenda! Brenda!!” Brenda Higgins is a Corporal, sniper trained, with a rather low regard for human life. I might be more judgmental, but this is a war and people get killed. The fact is, Brenda and Tim Stiles have saved our asses too many times.
Brenda rubs her eyes, which are swollen and red. She’s not a real doper like we are, so it hits her harder.
“S’time already? I juss’ fell sleep two mins go.”
“Nah, it’s only 1:15. Listen, Timmy and I have been talking and there’s a question we need you to answer.”
“What is it?”
“That quick inhale you do when we first touch the spot. What is that?”
“You guys are fucking nuts. I need sleep. Leave me alone.”
Technically, I shouldn’t be allowing any of this behavior, but its my first day in command of the unit and I can fuck up. Or so I think.
“Smith, sit. I have a complaint from Corporal Higgins - it’s serious. She says that you and Tim sexually harassed her last night. I quote: ‘You know, Missy, (we called her that for a reason I can’t remember) when a guy is licking your pussy and his tongue touches your clit’...do I need to go further?”
“No sir, Colonel Bishop, sir. I should have stopped it.”
“The whacky weed, huh?”
“I think it was opium. Sir, it got out of hand. You know how Missy looks. Well, I know we instigated it, but she started doing herself right in front of us.”
“Did she come?”
“I think so. She woke up the whole building.”
“Now that’s what I call Army! Opium, female Corporals masturbating for two officers...yes, that’s Army all right. Goddamn!”

Bishop went into a laughing fit and soon I was on the floor holding my stomach - in tears. It was funny as shit. There I was, apologizing to Colonel Bishop and he thought it was the funniest thing he ever heard. I guess Missy forgot about the masturbating when she filed the report.

ML (237) ML - You missed the point again.  If you read all the posts you would see that everything but the subject matter has been discussed.  Everything from the kitchen sink to bung holes.  Frankly, I am a little too advanced for this site...

Bud Mullins

You mean there was a topic? Sorry...I didn't know.

I think you're right...you're too advanced for this line of insane comments. Why don't you hook up with a team of Rhesus monkeys and see how long it takes to type a copy of the Constitution? At least you'll be with beings of similar intellectual capacity.

Been there, done that.  Most of the people on this site wouldn't qualify to be there.  So, where does that leave this site?  Hummm...

Bud,

As much as I've disagreed with you, (about what I don't know) you have a point...well taken. Is it my fault? Lord knows, I have been a disruptive influence here...but what, exactly, have I disrupted? At least I haven't used anyone's personal (traumatic and psychological) issues against them, and I would never do that. There is one mutherfucker here who brought my father into the fray...obviously he researched the URL's I provided and found my achilles heel. Am I vindictive? Hell yes. I pray to God that he gets a taste of my experiences. Being gang raped with a tire iron by a bunch of crazed Shiites might shut him up for awhile.

Bud, you opened my eyes to something...and I am sorry about the monkey thing. Your hand didn't call for it.

ML, thanks for that response.  I read a lot of these posts.  Your's, I read all the time.  If you are not ranting, your post are good.  But, you let some of the others on these sites get to you - as I do.  When we do that, we react to them, it takes something out of what we are trying to say.  It takes something out of our effectivness as writers.  As much as you have to offer in the line of writing, you should never lower yourself to the level of most of the people who only rant on these sites.

Thanks.

Here's is the kind of stuff we should be concerned about regardless of our political affiliation:

Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to
know....
 BETTER GET OFF YOUR SEATS FOLKS AND GET ACTIVE. He is
selling us out faster than we ever dreamed.

Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed yesterday, behind our backs. You
may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by
on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the
USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines...

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of
$20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and
"conflict victims" in Gaza.

The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of
Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States, was signed
on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a
free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have
displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement
(Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

Let's review...itemized list of some of Barack Obama's most recent actions
since his inauguration:

His first call to any head of state, as president, was to Mahmoud Abbas,
leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.

His first one-on-one television interview with any news organization was
with Al Arabia television.

His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here
within the U. S., but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.

He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees
halted.

He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.

He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and the
"terror attack" on 9/11.

Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian
refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.

These important, and insightful, issues are being "lost" in the blinding
bail-outs and "stimulation" packages.

Doubtful? To verify this for yourself:
www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

PLEASE PASS THIS ON... AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW

WE are losing this country at a rapid pace.

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ML and harrysmom,
We don't really need any of your studies to know what racism is, and we can recognize it when we see it.  There are many forms of racism, and it is present in EVERY class and race in this world!  Why?  Becuase it is an individual decision to be racist, and every person has had different experiences in life which tends to form their opinions about others.  Racism can be controlled and actually stopped very easily!  It's a decision folks, just like any other decision we make in life.  It's a moral decision. You can choose to be racist or choose not to be.  Yes, it may not always be easy to choose the right thing to do, but there are lots of decisions we make that aren't easy arent there?  The "truth" is that having God in your life makes it much easier to make the right (or should I say correct?) moral decisions in life.  You can argue with me and tell me you don't believe in my God, but that doesn't change my (and most christians) opinion, as I have seen this actually played out over and over in life.  One of the primary values of christendom is forgiveness.  We are commanded to forgive by God.  He actually goes so far as to say that if we don't forgive others, He won't forgive us.  If that doesn't change the way you feel about others, nothing will!!  Of course, if you don't have God in your life, you are prone to make selfish decisions.  And that is where racism, hate, immorality, and any other sin you can think of comes from.  Think about it.  ALL sin comes from man's selfish desires.  He wants what he wants, and nobody is going to tell him he can't have it!  Sure, there are some people who aren't quite as selfish as others.  And they appear to be a little more moral than other folks.  But I can tell you without a doubt that they do practice selfishness in their lives, and tend to justify all of the many sins that they commit.  This is man's way.  Now, don't get me wrong here.  Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.  Christ died for them, and they have merely understood and accepted God's free gift of salvation.  And if they become a true follower of Christ, they will begin making self-less decisions in life, begin practicing forgiveness, becoming more like Christ as they mature in Him. 

ML and Dora, God loves you, and so do I.  I could choose to hate you, but I don't.  I understand man's depravity, and how impossible it is to make good, moral decisions when you are born into a world which is selfish, and teaches us to get what we want, when we want it.  God can change those desires.  Accept His free gift of Jesus Christ and begin to REALLY live today!

Bud,

I'm not sure whether to believe that or not.  According to Snopes, it is FALSE.  I like to check out what Snopes has to say about things like this.  Now, if Snopes is wrong, I will have to re-think my position on Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/palestinians.asp

I have to say that it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to do something like that, but I also want to be fair and accurate when making statements like this.  I'll definitely be looking for this news from other more reliable sources before rejecting it completely.

Bud-  what's your beef with H.R. 1388?

Don't you ever watch CSPAN?  Bills up for vote, discussion, in both the house and senate as well as hearings, inquiries, ets are all there for you to view... (sorry there are no commercials - just facts) Nothing was done behind your back.  If you elect to turn your back on the doings that take place daily in Congress,  call yourself stupid and uninformed. It's a choice that you and you alone have made.

As for the rest of your rubbish email that you copied from some other uninformed fool,  good grief man- don't you get embarrassed being so gullible?!!!  Check the facts before you forward crap like this.
ML suggested that perhaps you were a bubble and a half off plumb.
I rather tend to believe him correct in this regard.

Do you even know what H.R. 1388 is???

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-pa...

it's just not that difficult  to learn the facts BUD.  just not that difficult.

Bud,

I don't think I agree - experience tells me that my best and most creative (if not outrageous) writing comes when I am reacting to the stupidity of others. Which brings me to DS.

DS, you are the mutherfucker who saw fit to exploit my personal issues to make your point. You are a weasel, DS. I feel sorry for you. It's not your fault that your father sucked farts from dead babies assholes.

If you think for a minute that I give a flying fuck about your Christian God you are out of your mind. More people have died on this planet in the name of Christ than for any other cause. DS, fuck Jesus Christ, his idiot father and that moron that hangs out with them - the Holy fucking Spirit. They are the Three Stooges of organized religion.

This woman is and has never been anything except for a raging idiot.

Read more about this and other conservative topics at my new blog.
http://angryyoungconservative.blogspot.com/

ML,
I'm sorry to see you so angry.  I have no idea how you think I exploited your personal issues to make a point.  I have not researched you other than read your blog articles that you sent me.  What exactly are you referring to?  Are you saying that I was correct when I stated that you must have been abused as a young boy?  If that's it, I can only tell you that I didn't find that out thru any research that I did.  It was merely something that I deduced from our conversations.  You have always had an angry and frustrating edge to your writing, and I believe that God revealed that to me.  If that is not what you're talking about, then I have no idea what you mean.  The only other thing I can think of is that you are a satan worshipper since you have such hatred towards God and christians.  Is that it?  Are you a satan worshipper Michael?  If not, would you be willing to blaspheme him the same way you have blasphemed God?  Is satan just a fairytale character, just  as you have made that claim about God?  Get it out Michael.  What is really bothering you?  Let this be a time for healing.  Get it all out so we can help you overcome whatever fears you are dealing with.  You have to be very fearful about something.  Otherwise, you wouldn't be so angry.  Just be honest Michael.  I would love to help you.  As I said, God still loves you and so do I.  I forgive you for all of your vulgar rants Michael.  I understand that you're just angry and afraid of something.  What is it?

DS,

I haven't lost my sense of humor - sorry that it doesn't live up to your God felt wishes for me...hey, why so serious? You can't save everybody - look out for yourself. You never know when your ticket gets punched.

Thanks but I don't need you, your God or bogus good wishes...I do just fine on my own. Lighten up, man...I only had your best interests at heart.

Joseph, nice blog site.  Oh, by the way, you are right about Dora to.  She only lives to rant and rave...

Alright DS, I guess it's time for to come clean. You're right - something is bothering me and yes, I am angry. Why? Dora #121. She gets to be the lightening while I'm the one that has to pull the bug out of your ass. It's not fair. God only knows what I'll find when I reach up in there.

No, DS, I am not a Satan worshipper...I am Satan. Beware.

ML,
I'm not really sure how to take your last post.  You're making me a schitzo!  LOL  OK, Michael, I'll stop sharing God with you and Dora.  Please forgive me for making you so angry.  It really wasn't my intention.  Hopefully, we'll meet someday in heaven.  Until then, keep seeking Michael.  You'll find Him.

I wonder if Jeanane has seen this?

Click here  http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/arachel/2009/04/21/112650/#idc-ctools

Janeane

I'm sorry,  ML-  let's hire someone to do bugs-  would you please  take ownership of earthquakes and a volcano or two?  That seems fun.

Bud, there's a special on tin foil at Target.  I'd get right on that if I were you.   Protective headgear for the entire family.

Joseph,  having viewed your blog- my suggestion to you is to get better informed.  Do some independent research.   Walk around.  Talk to people outside of your immediate circle.  Watch something other than big boob "reality"  TV and fake wrestling.   Try the History Channel,  The Science Channel.   If you are going to depend on lunatic ravings of Michael Savage and the right wing talker found most consistently wrong: Hannity-   Joseph,  you will continue to spout noise with no substance or fact.

Dora,

Thanks. I think earthquakes and volcanos are right up my alley. I apologize for not responding sooner - fell asleep at the keyboard. I do have 39 pages of "w"s if you can see any use for them. 

Protective headgear - priceless. Are we expecting an alien invasion?

The message landed in my Spam folder. Normally I don’t read these - I terminate them...but this one looked different, so I peeked.
“ML...161st and Teller...tomorrow...2:00 pm...code...UC, don’t you?”
Weird. I checked the mailing address.

 

 

 

What the hell - it was probably more junk mail, but on the off chance that it might be a tip, I decided I would check it out. Timmy, my partner, reacted predictably.
“It’s Spam, douche bag.”
“We’ve had e-mail tips before. Remember Dennehey?”
“Alright, it’s your call. Besides, we have to bring that kid in today. Isn’t he on the same corner?”
“We’ll grab him tomorrow, Timmy. Don’t forget - we have a code at 164th in an hour.” (There was no way I was pinching that kid)
It was hot as hell. We had the gray Crown Vic. It was so beat up that it didn’t look like anything but what it was...junk. Even the A/C didn’t work. We rolled up a few minutes before 2:00 - Jimmy was on the corner, and as usual, he made us right away. The kid approached us. He was either fearless or desperate or both. I guessed both.
“Yo’ yo.”
“What’s up, Jimmy...you holding?”
“Nah, there ‘aint nuthin’ yet. Listen man, see that guy by the bodega? He wants to talk to you.” This was some cloak and dagger bullshit - the guy looked like a female version of a male Michael Jackson in drag. Okay, fuck it - he looked like Michael Jackson.
“You wanna’ talk to me?”
“Maybe...tell me something.”
“Oh for shit’s sakes...you see, don’t you?”
“Okay. Here’s the deal. I’m with the FBI. We have reason to believe that Google is hiding subversives on the Urbanconservative web site.”
“You have to be crazy.”
“Just tell me what you know.” I did. I told him DS was an Israeli assassin; that Dora was supplying tin foil to Titeass, a Gideon Bible saleswoman. Evidently that was enough for him. He told me to be careful and walked off.
Life really is a box of chocolates...I was a Google Spy for the FBI.
 

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can bring for free
Oh yes, ... we hay many abstarct fully operational enlighted ships just popping in the old fleet...
Look at my firetrace (abstract, frak!, why explain everything to libabstractpolice?) of today:
my e-live-denouncing propaganda to castro paralegal and a bunch of castro-agentgovnets imbeciles left from castro pentagon agent legal vision of cuba networks... thru my personal email...
"my abstract Patriotwordsmissiles, elves'arrows of truth, not just words":
Entonces su programacion los va a tener alli a mi alrededor hasta que caigan con el resto de la pandilla asimetrica del agente de ustedes psicologo de la policia de maimidade y los imbeciles que añadan su nombre al sistema de aceptacion legal de la espia de fidel en el pentagono?
si, creo que es cierto que las listas de civiles indeseables para su porqueria de sistema empiezan por lo menos con los records paralelos de ustedes, un sopbreviviente de viernesnegro, estratega y anti-terrorista, creerles a ustedes?
lo harian ustedes en mi lugar?
desarrollarian un sofisticado sistema anti-terrorista inteligente en el tiempo?
ayudarian a crear los Teaparties en Estados Unidos en 1 semana y globalizarlos entre ayer en la tarde y la madrugada de hoy?
estas "cositas" y mas les esperan a mi alrrededor, a ustedes les gustan las acciones paralegales "automaticas y sistematicas para sentir elpoder"?
psst: yo soy solo uno mas...
y hay mejores que yo...
...

Symmetrical popcorn in Apache - no - God gave us Pave Hawk, Cobra not in canyons...watch Little Bird AH-6J...did you? F-4...Phantoms of my crackerjack dreams...afterburners rocket through libland - can't see God's little acre upside down diving, climbing...I am God's B-1...no need for stealth's Black Death even Steve McQueen can't put her on a carrier...war is hell's answer the question is only how fast! Rooftops good for good vision - "It's just a flyover" yes? Where did hole in come from? No Tiger Woods - just deserts coming hard_hard_harder...the collective altimeter...watch your horizon, son. Those who oppose chose time that flows backwards but death just a state not a country at war with itself - Tuesday bad time to cop - fwellible decibel mother Mary I am pinned! Holy father I have sinned. You ate Rice Krispies as the old man grinned.
Get camel jockey out put the devil in...find your spin, Rin Tin Tin I heard was God spelled backward but you called him Rinny...no flies for frank.
I agree__disagree__bowling for monkeys.

ML Smith,
Okay- I won't argue the GSS- I've never used it formally anyway- just to show little exercises in class.  I'm beginning to be a bit of qual person anyway- 


My point was that there are those who attribute the behaviors of democrats 30-40 years ago to the democrats of today without realizing that the whole ideology and political affiliation thing has flip-flopped.  Therefore, anyone who affiliates as Republican today because they don't like what the democrats did in 1975 should gain some deeper insight into the matter.  It's a reactionary way to base your political beliefs as well.


That said- I agree with J. Garafalo, but I may have framed it differently.  However, she's an entertainer, so she gets license I guess.  She made me laugh, but then I get her.  


Urban Conservative..is it possible that you now understand how gut wrenchingly disgusting Ann Coulter seems to liberals?

I don't know why the right wingers here are getting all upset. It wasn't so long ago that, if you disagreed with George W. Bush's policies, you were labeled as being "unAmerican" or non patriotic. Your loyalties to this country were called into question and liberals didn't like that at all. So, now that the tables have turned, you're upset and accusing this woman of "racism" and "hate speech". And let's just be honest. You have aligned yourself with a lot of racist people. Youtube a McCain/Palin rally if you want proof.

Tom Lohanlon--you are so wrong!  this republican as well as many others disagreed with Bush and did not consider anyone UnAmerican during his term unless they did not support the troops.  everyone didn't have to support the war in Iraq but should have supported our troops.  this woman did spew hatred and racism and that cannot be disputed.  also, obama threw out the race card during his campaign and i didn't catch it at first but my black friends did.  they were the ones who told me about it and were angry that he brought race into his campaign.  they lost any respect they had for him for it.  it is funny that republicans don't have a problem criticizing their own party and want the party to be true to its principals.  you guys will go down with the ship and even though obama's bad policies continue to hit you in the face, you choose to ignore them for the sake of "hope" and whatever else.   common sense evades you at every level if you still support him and his cronies.  he has make very destructive policies and you can choose to ignore it now.  however, when inflation hits, as it definitely will, you won't be able to blame the republicans.  it will be all on you guys.  oh, let me take that back.  those stupid people who don't understand economics will blame us as they do for everything else.  so you need to get your story straight before posting stupid comments on a conservative blog if you want to have constructive dialog!  by the way, i can't believe obama still has supporters after he and the democrats did not read the bill they voted for.  then, they had the nerve to pretend to be angry when bonus money was given out and then they tried to get it back.  only the stupid would not realize that there was a clause that was changed by the democrats to allow bonuses to be given out.  but hey, there are crooks everywhere and we have them at the top.  i think it is cool to give a failed community activist a promotion--not.  we don't know about him being a senator since he wasn't there long enough to have much of a record.

Phantoms of my crackerjack dreams..,
studied "text theme, and possible powerful secret messages, psycological appealins, mindcalls?, do these things exist since the 1st u$$r? why aren't you interested so energeticaly to 'use your brain to explain the danger of a nukeiran, or chavez's dirtynukeiran missiles comming in from cuba and mexico's sanctuaries for violence castro-colombian gerrilla change to the southern border you imbecil?... ah, yeah, you'll answer biden magic wand words: that doesn't matters... cliiinnggg. (and US sais, oh, nothing to do, mmmm, next case please, ah, yes, ortega told bho hey obama, don't build this wall, give us mor gov American life!, move.
answer you fraking as(beeep)le: it is any assymetrical war even before castro agent at the Pentagon who made all army computer freezing after 1st tower 9-11th 01 for 45min aprx.?
So, cuba, venezuela, iran, etc. kind of populism aren't dangerous?
have we just simply adopt their "vision of the world... and live with it... just hoping you are'nt next"?
do castro specialty (biowar, deseasses like latest racehorses and MEXICAN ILLEGAL ASSYMETRIC CIVILIAN ARMY WHO LOVES libland and their view of war) labs would difference between me or your relative to infect?, ah!, yes, castro system gov model have their autocleanning for the biggest (cheguevara, gral ochoa, or "system starting" "welcome my son to machine" latest smaller civilian as usual, the saddam psicosis plots-own troops recurrent executions, something like that...
they just see countries
like farm animals on the table?
like a bad acorn to the chicken?
naa na naaa!
ah!: psst all of you payed blogger to stock the site to death boring: I'm even ad honorem, so I don't obey, we don't obey here even Rush, Rush don't "obey" me,  WE ARE LIKE THUNDER, we are the world, we are seeds of love waiting for the night to fall...

also take all the payed blogstocklers with divisive boring to death, blog on granma, also they'll print "it", to match the masses, and face their use on cuba: toiletpaper.
untill I have my life back bho, "I'm calling for ets, or whatever make you live us alone and enjoy your $1000 pizzas away from us, your chavez photo destroyed your 2012 naightmare already.

Wow, This woman is something else. How naive to even consider for a second that these tea tea parties have had anything to do with racism. She should stick to her career as the less the funny comedian she was becase as a political activist she is showing herself off as even more of a bimbo than ever before. This is just the sort of thing we should expect to here from a brainless twitt like Jeannene Garafolo. Notice how she did not actually back up anything she said with actualy, real, solid facts. That is exactly like the rest of her liberal comrades who have made careers out of spewing and twisint facts to fit their sick existence.

To Stream of Unconscious

Why you pickin' on me, "ad honorem?" You own this site? Chickens really eat acorns? You're waxing incomprehensible and the space you take is reprehensible...you say nothing defensible - all of your bullshit is nonsensical. I can't help it if I like to play with midget minds...the shit coming out of your fingers blinds me. Oh Lord I cannot see...sorry if I offended thee. I'd like to stick around, but I gotta' pee.

Come with me. Come with me to Baghdad. Allow your eyes to feast on the simplicity of death. There is no racism here; only crumbling buildings where snipers hide...waiting. The Green Zone, George Bush’s testimony to victory is the most dangerous place in the city. Two of ours went down yesterday. Nobody stopped to ask if they were liberal or conservative. Were they black or white? Nobody cared.
I saw a soldier crying and I felt his pain. I saw a man dressed in cleric’s garb explode - the whole block tilted. Someone was speaking but I couldn’t hear.
There is no disagreement here...only death. How much we take for granted as we argue about this and that. Come with me and I’ll show you what life is about when it’s gone.
Seen enough yet? Yes, I suppose you have. Go home now, to your pages of self righteous discord. Bask in the glory of being right when others are wrong. Your pampered existence makes me sick.

Jeremy--you are right!  you will find that liberals spew hate and accusations but can't back anything up.  they refuse to listen to the actual truth.  it is their way of avoiding thinking and challenging their beliefs because what obama says is "real and truth" to them.  liberals are robots and can't think for themselves.  who in the hell would not be angry at anyone voting for a stimulus bill that no one read?  who would not be upset that they knew about the changed clause to permit bonuses and then obama tried to cover it up by being outraged?  it was just for show.  there was no excuse because obama is an attorney and was trained to read legal documents.  he is not qualified to discuss the economy, the markets or business but idiots voted him in to deal with problems he doesn't understand.  that is obvious.  i didn't even mention the failed trip overseas.  the stimulus debacle is enough for anyone who has any common sense to start questioning obama's abilities.  of course, it was obvious for 47% of us during the campaign.  here's the dumbing down of America syndrome at its best!  no wonder our school system is not working!

DS- you are very caught up in this idea that everything is determined at the individual level (aka: personal responsibility paradigm or the essentialist construct).  I am not.  I believe that there are structural forces that determine most of our behaviors- it's inevitable in a world where most of our selves are formulated based on social interaction.  How do you know about God?  You didn't think it up yourself- you gained your understanding through interactions with others.  You are not an island, nor is the racist.  Ideologies are formulated through the complex web of our social world.  


We just see things differently.  But please don't discount my perspective.  Make the personal choice to respect others.  Thanks.

Titus Hunt- your angry rants are embarrassing.  Everything that you complain about is attributable to your boy Bush.  Obama hasn't even been in office 100 days and you are blaming him for the problems it took Bush 8 years to create.  You actually talk out of your ass.  


Liberals are the independent thinkers and have more complex thoughts than you Fox directed Republibots.  Seriously, this is what is wrong with our country and why we have lost our place as a premier country in the world...nobody can see eye to eye on anything!  We just keep bickering like children.  In the meantime, the only people interested in coming to live here are people from third world countries.  Did you know that the quota for immigration applications from European countries hasn't even been filled for the past 5 years?  Jeez.  It's embarrassing.

I usually don't like to give any attention to a Hollywood liberal that lives in her own world, and voices ignorant comments.  However, I now get to watch her on my favorite show every Monday.  I'm filled with joy about that one.  Perhaps if we complain enough FOX will fire her, and then I can have my revenge for her bad acting.  More than likely she will live (on the show) to act another day, and do a repeat performance of grouping all conservatives as racists and rednecks.

ML SMITH-I found your post 283 refreshing.  TY.

harrysmom (285)
I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, but I can tell you one thing.  God is God, and He is the ONLY one who determines what is truth, and what isn't.  He created the universe and everything in it, and He has already determined what is acceptable and what isn't.  You can find out what He thinks simply by reading His Word harrysmom.  If you don't agree with it, let Him know.  But He won't change His mind about it just because we all have different experiences in life.  I do know that God loves you harrysmom, just as he does everyone!  But He is a holy God, and CANNOT allow sin into His presence....witness the fall of satan and 1/3 of the angels.  He has made a way of escape for all of us.  He sent His on to die for you, for me, and for everyone who will accept it.  Repent today harrysmom, and accept the free gift of His son, Jesus Christ.

DS- uh?

harrysmom,
I guess we're not communicating.  LOL  I didn't understand what you were saying in 285.

harrysmom--Did you know that the quota for immigration applications from European countries hasn't even been filled for the past 5 years?  

So this is what worries you?  In the midst of an economic crisis, are you really concerned about a quota that hasn't been filled?  I would think that if you are concerned about how the rest of the world views us, you would be upset at obama for not understanding how the middle east would view his behaviors during his overseas trip.  he somehow overlooks the differences in cultures.  you would also be concerned that obama was made a fool of by castro no sooner than he returned to the US.  you would also understand that we now look weak in the eyes of people who want to kill us.  they are born to hate us and are trained to kill us!  if you think talking, begging, and pleading will work, you are mistaken.  but you are welcome to support obama in his finger shaking and his "shame on you" stance.  we all see how far his complaint to the security counsel went.

titus hunt (your name is almost too funny to ignore),
I'm sorry I engaged.  You aren't making any sense.

I didn't like clinton and he made a lot of bad decisions.  however, i didn't go to bed every night worrying about how he was going to destroy this country.  however, obama has proven what he is all about and it is frightening!  of course, Bush had to deal with 911 and our country is safer as a result.  even though obama would not dare give credit when it is due, he finally (liberals are slow) understands the positive impact the surveillance policy has.  he railed/lied against Bush just to get votes and then went back on his word and now supports Bush's efforts.  obama was not qualified to make judgements on national security because he didn't know anything about it.  finally, when he was briefed, he apparently started to understand the problems we face and backed down.  liberals want our national security secrets out in the open for all to see.  they refuse to acknowledge that we were safer because of the policies of Bush.  They will continue their attempts to spread hatred and lies to stupid people who will buy into their rhetoric.  



This article shows the arrogrance of that SOB some call a leader.  It is a joke!

boy, the obama's are generous--not!  the see article below.  during the campaign obama wanted everyone to volunteer in their communities and help out in any way possible.  well, we all know that was only rhetoric since he didn't even attempt to help out his poor elderly aunt who is on welfare.  but hey, we all understand that the used car salesman doesn't mean what he says (lies).  however, this article shows his arrogance!  the clintons were more generous than they were.  he is a really swell guy!  LOL!  i think he should have donated a towel that he sweated on for all of us to go gaga over!  some idiot would actually pay for it!  he obviously thinks a lot of himself.  oh, what i would give for his autographed picture!  oh please!  burn it!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30425056/

sorry for the confusion of the article attachment.  It was a result of cutting and pasting.

You bunch of (there are on cyberspace, citypo$$ition$, justice, media, politician$, assymetric invasion civilian now potential bioattacks...) pursuer enemy (SAME MODUS OPERANDI BASISCS: oppositors are crazy or criminal or terrorists) helper are so programmed, you can't understand "my text", it's for conservatives democrats, republicans and indepented for example, the record (bho 09voters are less, so LESS POLL$&lib$TUFF$ ELECTORAL AUTHORITY AUTOMATICALY, ANOTHER HISTORY (MEMORY) "to change") voting for Bush's re-election NO SELECTION, nor "colege cassinostrategy, no oil u$$ru$attacking America and allies and so what?...libcongre$$  worst history aproval and 49-51% popular bho strong possition from same biden magicwand that doesn't matters cliiinnnn... 
and you surely didn't understand anything of this, bioattacks?, saddam had NUKE DIRTY BOMBS MATERIAL, ANOTHER, KIND OF (WORST) WMD, AND GAS PRICES ATTACK ALONG NO OIL FOR THE USA?
you can't say you have being illustrated, and for fre, as only the EIBnetworks can bring... well, in fact, freedomedia exists before this comment, so no excuses from you for "not understanding immediately, and started to help create Teaparties kind of civilized orgs and people deffenses against the enemy helper.
Now, stay tunne like the rest who "wants to be enlighted"...

To "radical crazy ideas..."

Thank you for elevating me to your header. It makes me feel even more important than I am. But that's besides the point - oh, I forgot...what exactly is the point you are trying to make? If cyber psychbabble is your specialty, then you are coming through loud and clear.

No, thanks mlsmith, I won't waste my cyberwords to somebody programed from libland helping the enemy on the web, remmember, on "the other life you'll go to what you think, you think you come from an ape (cliiinnngg... you'll be ahomosaphiens or chromagnon or at list Chewbacka, if you'd change your mind and... genetics then)...
Imagine, I believe giants from Bible and paleontologist excavations (the largest are et, yes, WE difference dnas already, we are all human) are sons of mortal women and angels)...
By the way you answer mlsmith, you sound a "big" libpolitician...
come, and...
as God's son offered (the job of the day) to one of  his "other life cross
travelers":  you believed, you may be with me that day... on paradise...
Please, teach your children not more, not less, teach'em what your country tought you...

To Unintelligible

You must be a man of your word - after saying you wouldn't waste your cyber words on me, you proceded to write 124 of them. I'm flaterred that you would give so much attention to me.

To Unintelligible

What My Country Taught Me
All men are equal as long as they agree with you.
Killing is wrong but what the fuck, we do it anyway.
Racism is okay as long as you don't make it too obvious.
Money is everything.
Corruption and deceit is acceptable.
Torture is wrong, but what the fuck, we do that too.
It's okay to put your life on the line for a lie.
It's even better to put another's life on the line for a lie.

What I Learned on My Own
Human life is precious and should always be protected.
Dissension is the right of the people, and that right should be protected at all cost.
Human suffering is never acceptable.
Regret, grief and shame are part of the package, so get used to it.

I have also learned that personal responsibility solves a lot of problems.  Families need to be responsible for taking care of children they choose to have.  That includes every aspect of bringing them up including assisting them with college to give them a good start in life.  anything less is cheating children out of a necessary foundation.  for some reason a lot of people think the government should do this.  parents need to take an active role in raising and education their children.  as a result, there will be more graduates, less crime and more productive citizens!  i guess i'll choose to take care of my family and leave some others to live off the government!

ML,
I won't tell you what I've learned since I've already shared it extensively with you!  But you know.....and will not have an excuse.   ;-}

DS,

I believe you are a good man but you are a pest. Yes, you have made your point, and if it turns out that I burn in hell, I'll have no one to blame but myself. The thing is, DS, despite all of the adversity I've had to overcome in my life, I like who I am and enjoy being me. I am quite aware of my shortcomings, one of which is a need to tell you...from the bottom of my heart...eatshitanddie...please.

It is with great anticipation that I look forward to your next mini-tower of babble.

By the way, you seem to be obsessed with me. Is it sexual? Don't be afraid to admit it, DS. Truthfully, I think about you constantly. What would it be like...aarrgghh...vomitus!

LOL....you are so funny Michael.  I think we would actually have a good time if we ever met.  I underatnd how the world beats us down.  A few months ago I asked God to give me His heart for people, and to be able to see them the way He does.  It is amazing what He is doing in my heart Michael.  I don't see people the way I used to.  I now have a lot more love for everyone than I used to.  I want to reach out and love them back to God, just as Jesus did.  I won't send you anymore sermons Michael.  You have heard enough for now.

DS,

So you are human after all. I must admit - you gave it your best shot. So did the chaplain, and we reamin close friends. The chances of you and I meeting are roughly 1 in 16 trillion, but we've met anyway, haven't we? 

Thank you for last comment. It meant a great deal to me and I am glad that you can see through the bravado that sometimes masks the humor.
Now, let's move on.

It wasn’t long after the incident with Missy that I met Chaplain Rogers...in a bar of all places. Well, it wasn’t a bar in the traditional sense...it had three walls and a pile of rubble that served as tables and chairs. We called it Dumbo HQ...the conversation there was barely comprehensible but if you had some booze and an urge to act like a fool for awhile, it was perfect.
I don’t know how I got into the conversation, but in short order Chaplain Rogers confronted me on my religious beliefs.
“I believe in God but I hate his guts.” We had lost eight that day.
“Don’t you think he has a greater plan...that this is just a way station.”
“I don’t care if it’s a train station. What kind of God allows this?”
He went on to quote some scriptures and at one point I wanted to use some fisttoface therapy on him - he wouldn’t shut up. It got worse. He began confronting me on my political beliefs.
“So you hate war but you kill, and you pray every night. You’re pro-life but you think a man should have the right to take his own life. And you call yourself a conservative? Isn’t that hypocritical?”
“Maybe it is. I try the best I can to do the right thing.”
In time, he came to understand me and we became friends. When things got really bad, I went to him. Then something happened.
Seven of us were pinned on low ground. I heard a gunshot - it was close to us, and then an insurgent sniper fell from a nearby rooftop. He had us in his sights - Missy saw him but her rifle jammed. Had he gotten off a shot, one of us would have been dead. Chaplain Rogers crawled up next to me...AK-47 in hand.
“Yeah, I used to take target practice with the men. I think it paid off.” I was dumbfounded. This man of God had just killed someone...he had committed a sin and put his beliefs on the line for one of us.
That night I asked him how he justified it.
“How do you make it sit right?”
“The same way you do, Michael.”
He gave up the cloth but he never abandoned his beliefs. For all I know, he could have been you, DS.

ML,
Interesting story, and I can underatnd how this could make you (or anyone) struggle.  I'm sorry you had to go through that Michael.  But you know what, you did it to protect your country!  You are a her Michael, just like all of the other great men and women who are fight to protect us!  You sound like a man I heard on Dr. Laura's radio program the other day.  He experienced the same thing that you did, and was having trouble reconciling it in his mind.  Dr. Laura told him exactly what I told you.  Instead of him feeling like he committed unethical crimes against humanity, she told him that he was a hero, and that he should feel good about what he did.  It wasn't what anyone would WANT to do, but it was the ethical and right thing to do because he protected us from being attacked here at home.  I have another friend on this blog (davidwalters -- Hi David) who experienced the same thing, and is also struggling with it as you are.  I can't say I know what you feel like because I haven't been there.  I was in the Navy during the Vietnam war, but I never experienced combat, or having to take another life.  I can only imagine what that has to feel like.  I think you are to be honored, and I appreciate the fact that you struggle with what you were called to do.  If you didn't, you would have no heart, and would be no better than a cold blooded killer.  But you're not that Michael.  And you know what?  Just like I told you beofre, God understands what you've gone through, and He can heal you from all of those wounds.  He, and only He can heal your heart.  I wish I could spend some time with you so we could talk in person, and probably shed a few tears together.  maybe someday, you never know.  Until then, remember me and your chaplain.  We both love you and care about how you feel.  Why?  Because God gave that love to us.  He loves you Michael.   God bless you, and keep seeking.  You will find Him.

Well, it's bedtime again in my little mid-western home town.  We live beyond the city limits and still don't even lock our doors at night.  Still feel safe in our neighborhood.

I want to thank ML and all like him who was willing to serve, and those who are serving in our mighty military that keeps our freedoms and liberties safe.  FREEDOM ISN'T FREE and I sure wish more people knew that.

So, good night you all, Dora to, hope you sleep well tonight.  If you do and you feel safe, thank a vet.

I will thank all of the vets again and again.  They are the reason we have our freedoms!

What Titus- you didn't get your freedoms on your own?  Isn't freedom due to your own personal decision to have the responsibility to be free?  How liberal of you to attribute your freedom to the behaviors of someone else- someone who works for the government no less!  :)

The correct words were "the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness." The "resposibility to be free?" I never saw anything so ridiculous in my life. We have a responsibility to do whatever it takes to remain free. Sometimes, that means war...and soldiers get paid by the government, so I guess they are government employees, harrysmom.

I fought for the lies I was told, but in my heart I fought for you!

You are one stupid fuck.

No...I didn't spit that out right.

harrysmom,

Would you kindly tell all of us how you got your freedom on your own? Did you defeat Hitler and the Third Reich all by yourself? I suppose you fought the Japanese as well. Do you think you'd be free if we lost those wars?

If you are unhappy with the government, get off your fat ass and do something about it. You might start by reading that obscure document known as the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights...or is that reading level too advanced for you?

harrysmom--your stupidity and selfishness show more and more.  no, i am not responsible for fighting and winning all of the wars that resulted in my freedom.  the men and women who fought for our country's freedoms throughout history are responsible for that and i am thankful.  obviously, you are too stupid to understand this.  that is why it is hard for you to comprehend the simpliest of concepts.  only liberals think they can control everything.  the more control government has over businesses and our lives, the less freedom we have.  whoops!  i must apologize!  i am talking on a higher level than you can understand!  we will have higher inflation due to obama's economic policies.  that is economics 101 and obvious.  we will also pay higher prices for everything we buy due to obama's cap and trade policy.  every additional dime that comes out of an elderly person's pocket who is on a fixed income means that person has less freedoms than before.  every child who can't be clothed or feed as a result of obama's policies has less freedom than before.  the parents who also suffer seeing their children go without necessities have less freedom than before. you are a nut job!  thank you for showing the world exactly what kind of selfish and idiotic human being you are.  the dumbing down of America is easy to see when people like you open their mouths.  thank you for clarifying how the incompetent obama got elected!  harrysmom--why don't you concentrate on the simple things, i.e., asking your highness obama to actually read or have someone else read an entire bill before signing it!  that would be helpful!

WOW!  Titus and ML, thanks for the comments.

Harrysmom.  I visit a lot of the Civil War National Parks and all the National Cemetaries I can.  Arlington, Gettysburg, Andersonville, Vicksburg, etc.  (Just to mention a couple.)  I wonder how many you visit?  I do this, not because I am a writer or make money doing it, I do it to learn more about the prices that was paid for what we are today.  The lives lost on both sides of the Civil War deserve our respect.  The Civil War was another link in our History, as was all the other wars, that a lot of people have forgot about.  Any different outcome of that war, as well as any the others, would have made this country different than it is today.  ANYTIME I encounter a military person I make it a point to acknowledge that person.  Our history has been written exactly as it is, I will remain grateful to all those who helped mold it just like it is.

This is just a part of my life.  It doesn't make me a hero, it doesn't make me anything.  I sure hope it makes me a better American!

Well said Bud!
And that is EXACTLY why the outcome of this war on terror is so important to win!  The outcome of this war WILL determine the future of our country!  Look what happened to our country after Vietnam.  It has never been the same.  We must destroy the liberal, passive mindset that exists in this country, or we will be destroyed!

DS and Bud--you are absolutely correct!  I thank any military person I see also.  I also have visited some cemetaries and I make sure I stand silently for a moment to honor them.  the liberal idealogy is nothing but selfishness and it does need to be destroyed.  it is really hard to understand that people like harrysmom are actually educated but then I realize they are in education and that makes some of them dumb!  they are out of touch with reality and use the research of others and polls to determine what they think.  now don't get me wrong I had a lot of professors in college that were excellent.  those that i admired actually understood how business and the economy works and had experience out in the real world.  they were the professors that actually taught instead of just reciting from a book!  those are the people i respected the most in education because they had common sense.  obama's policies are destroying our country and the effects are out there for everyone to see.  it is a shame that people ignore facts to justify the idiot they put into office.  there is that selfishness again.  they don't won't our country to prosper and that is obvious!  have you seen that now the democrats are blaming the republicans for not having more shots available for the swine flu.  as usual, the story is twisted on the liberals news to ensure lies are told.  the republicans wanted the stimulus package to only include items that would directly help this economy.  duh!  the bill was filled with wasteful spending and the democrats refused to negotiate very much because it was a blank check for them to spend our money as if it grew on trees.  if there needed to be money set aside for other issues, there should have been a bill for each one.  that is where the liberals lies come in to play.  i remember during the campaign a stupid liberal said McCain voted against equal pay for women.  well that was a lie.  he voted "no" on a bill filled with so much pork that the main issue became irrelevant.  he could not vote for a bill that was just window dressing for unnecessary spending.  that is typical of the tricks and deception of the democratic party.  so now they continue to lie and have become quite good at deception.  Now if obama's supporters were honest, they would be railing all of the democrats in Washington right now.  Well all I can say is that if they are religious, it can't be the religion I practice because lying and deceit is not acceptable.

Titus Hunt (317)

 Now if obama's supporters were honest, they would be railing all of the democrats in Washington right now.

Titus, if Obama's supporters were honest, THEY WOULDN'T BE OBAMA SUPPORTERS!  If they were honest, Obama would not be in the White House...

Bud--i guess you have a good point.  i have to somehow reconcile the fact that most people in America are not honest and aren't good folks.  this country has definitely changed for the worse.  it is not a fluke that women have been raped in public and no one stopped to help.  the core of this country's problems lies with the low morals and values most people have.  parental obligations are no more.  so sad!  but hey, some liberals went to church on Sunday and voted for obama on Tuesday!  LOL!  now that is an issue!

Titus,
We're getting back to the real issue again aren't we?  This country has asked God to stay out of our schools, our businesses, our government, and some have actually asked Him to stay out of their churches.  So, I believe that God has given our country over to immorality, just as we have requested.  Our country has become morally bankrupt.  God's judgement is falling on our country.  UNLESS we repent as a nation, we will be destroyed from within, just as all of the other great nations of the past.  That is why I have spent so much time on here trying to address the "real" issue.  We need God!!!   We can argue politics all we want, but we MUST ask God back into our society or we'll not survive as a nation or people.

You cannot destroy a mentality without destroying those who think and believe contrary to you. Do you propose we kill them all?

DS,

I agree but there's a problem. All people do not believe as we do. Until America, as a nation presently in turmoil, recognizes and acknowledges this fact of life, nothing will change.

I do not like Obama and I disagree with many of his decisions. However, he has opened the door for dialogue and understanding. We presently occupy a position in world affairs that is less than complimentary, because we continue to impose our beliefs on those who are invested in different cultural ideals...and we do so by force. Sooner or later, that will bite us in the ass. 

Our warlike stance and actions have alienated us from the rest of the world. Think about...history repeats. Sadly, our disproportionate investment in war has turned America into a collective tyrant. Our infrastructure resembles that of a Third World Nation. 

What happened? We lost our way and forgot that the very ideals we purport to fight for have been trashed at home. We have become a nation of corrupt political and economic systems. God cannot solve the problem. There are too many Gods and there is too little emphasis on compassion and friendship. We have seen the power of those words in our own "coming together." Who would have thought that possible 100 comments back? 

I am no hero. I fought for the ideals that made this country great. Unfortunately, mine was a paper agenda, and it hurts like hell to see the result. 

I often wake up crying at night and wonder why. There is an awful lot of sadness and suffering in this world. I guess I thought I could make a difference.

I think republicans need to start yelling louder and louder.  we have not done a good enough job of teaching our principals.  democrats lie about what we are all about and we need to ensure the truth is told.  I am doing that everyday and calling people out on their stupidity.  I don't care if it "hurts" peoples' feelings because if you are a democrat, you don't have any to begin with.  we have been tolerant for far too long!  that is a big problem.  we have been too polite and didn't stand up for what is right and scream loud enough.  of course, when i say "we" i meant most of us because i've always been pretty loud about it but am getting louder!  our neighbors next door are a perfect example.  they are in the education field and have no real world experience.  of course, they are obama supporters and quote the typical line of "obama has to correct eight years of bush's decisions, blah, blah, blah."  now they have not said that to me but i wish they would.  they know we are republicans because i set the husband straight on his ignorance about the economy.  people are just stupid.  his response was "i didn't think of it that way." duh!  of course, he is too stupid to actually understand it.  anyway, my husband politely corrected her and moved on.  i would not have politely corrected her.  darn, i wish i had been there!  obviously, they are not people i would associate with!

for me it is not about those who thinks differently than i do.  i accept differences as long as they don't destroy our nation.  this is about protecting our nation and our freedoms.  all true Americans would want the same.

Titus,

Right...but how do you propose we do that? Specifically, Titus, what do you have in  mind? No platitudes...just actions. How?

ML-- your comment -- No platitudes...just actions. How?

are you kidding me?  you must not know who you are talking to when you made that statement.  I have and will continue to call and write my sentor's office.  they know me by name!  do they know yours?  I have asked him to step up to the plate and start having public discussions.  he also needs to be on the news constantly.  every one of our republican senators needs to do this and we need to ensure they do.  exposure is the key!  by the way, he has an excellent voting record and is a great person.  the other senator is a damn democrat and i've consistently railed her.  i will continue working on my end and will continue to ensure people i meet that are democrats do not get away with their stupidity in front of me.  education is the key.  that is all i can think of right now but i'm still working on it.  when i think of more, i'll do it.  it is when we accept the status quo that we get just that.

ML Smith.  I was using sarcasm.  You are one stupid asshole.

Titus Hunt.  I think my sarcasm was lost on you.  You go on and on about personal responsibility, and yet acknowledge that the government paid soldiers supply you with the freedom you enjoy.  Lost, totally lost.


And please define "true Americans"....because last time I checked my American passport, and my American driver's license, voted in an election in which I was required to have citizenship, and paid my taxes to the American government, I was of the impression that I was, in fact, an American.  If I don't think like you, will I be required to return my voter's registration, passport, driver's license....and can I get my taxes back?

ML (323)  Our warlike stance and actions have alienated us from the rest of the world. Think about...history repeats. Sadly, our disproportionate investment in war has turned America into a collective tyrant. Our infrastructure resembles that of a Third World Nation.

I agree 100% with this.  Somewhere we, as a Nation, lost it and have tried to turn every country on the globe into an America.  At least, we have tried to force our way of life on them.  We should have been learning about other ways, their ways, and how to live side by side in harmony rather than imposing our capitalism system on them.  Don't go off getting me wrong, I believe in capitalism.  I also served 7 years in the military and I would do so today if necessary.

If we, as a country, believe in God so much, and I do, we should also know that if those changes are supposed to happen, it will happen in God's time - not ours!  We just need to maintain the faith, walk the walk, so to speak and water and feed the horses when they need it.  In other words, do what we need to do to maintain our liberties at home...

Titus, I liked your post very much.  A lot or good words were thrown out there but to be a Democrat or Republican just isn't what it is all about anymore.  I portray myself as a conservative republican and naturally look to the things the liberal democrats do in their quest.  However, our enemies are not just over on the left anymore.  We have a lot of people parading around way across the right side of the fence that are destroying the republican party.  So, just to say one is a republican does not mean they wear white hats.  ML has repeatedly talked along these lines.  I think if our frame of minds are that republicans are good guys and democrats are bad guys, we are all way off the track here.  WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AGAIN AS A PEOPLE!  Just like we do when some country attacks America.  AMERICA, AS A WHOLE IS UNDER ATTACK.  Not just left or right...  Not just good or bad...  ALL OF AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK and I think we caused it all...

harrysmom,

Thank you - compliments are always welcomed.

You're a liar - you weren't being sarcastic, and now you're trying to cover your ass. Anyway, keep the cards and letters coming...I love the attention.

To Titeass,

I know who I'm talking to, and it's the stuff nightmares are made of. Geez, Titeass, can't a person even ask a question? I think it's time you wiped.

Bud Mullins,

That was one helluva post. We are under attack, and you are