Obama May Finally “Get It” on Economy – We Can Still Hope

January 13th, 2010 J.D. Foster

President Barack Obama

Barack Obama made a big deal throughout the campaign and after that he wanted to raise income taxes on the rich by reversing the reductions in upper rates enacted under President Bush in 2001. Lower rate advocates have argued all along that lower rates are better for the economy, whereas raising the individual income tax rates again from 35 percent (which is already too high) to 39.6 percent or higher would hurt the economy. By proposing higher tax rates, Obama and his allies explicitly discounted the economic effects. Rumors in Washington suggest the President, facing persistently high unemployment, may have been mugged by reality in the immortal words of Irving Kristol. Obama may have come around to a more conservative position in favor of lower rates, at least for now.

Last year my colleague, Bill Beach, and I argued for a pro-growth alternative to ineffective, debt-laden fiscal stimulus. Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC) led the fight in the Congress for stimulus that would work, but congressional leadership and Obama chose instead to pass a $787 billion debt hike masquerading as stimulus. The centerpiece of any effective pro-growth proposal was obviously to delay for some number of years the increase in tax rates that would otherwise occur with the expiration of the 2001 tax relief.

The best solution, of course, is to make the tax rate relief permanent, but that’s a debate better left to another day years from now. The immediate task is to delay the rate hikes. If the rumors of the President’s epiphany are true and he is willing to delay the rate hikes, that would be real progress.

The broad consensus appears to be that if the economy can avoid any more disastrous shocks, then the unemployment rate ending 2010 is likely to be about where it is today, at 10 percent. Obama should demand a delay in raising tax rates until the economy is materially stronger, say until the unemployment rate dips below 6 or 7 percent. If he were to do so, following the advice we gave at the start of 2009, it would provide the economy with a needed boost on at least three counts:

  1. It eliminates a threat to the economy from Washington as highlighted in a recent Chamber of Commerce report;
  2. It would delay the vitality draining effects of higher rates on capital formation and entrepreneurship in America; and
  3. It would suggest the President finally is starting to “get it”, that higher tax rates are bad for the economy as we’ve said all along.

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  • loudva2
    All you DBs complaining about Obama should know that of all the teabaggers that have been protesting a "tax and spend government" only about 5% will not benefit from lower taxes and thats a CONSERVATIVE number. Stop whining and realize the conservative way isnt the only way. Also when did Republicans start worrying about deficits anyway. This should put it in perspective:
    SO NOW YOU GET MAD!

    We had eight years of Bush and Cheney, but now you get mad!

    You didnt get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
    You didnt get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
    You didnt get mad when a covert CIA operative got ousted.
    You didnt get mad when the Patriot Act got passed..
    You didnt get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
    You didnt get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
    You didnt get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq .
    You didnt get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
    You didnt get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
    You didnt get mad when we didnt catch Bin Laden.
    You didnt get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
    You didnt get mad when we let a major US city drown.
    You didnt get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.
    You didn’t get mad when, using reconciliation; a trillion dollars of our tax dollars were redirected to insurance companies for Medicare Advantage which cost over 20 percent more for basically the same services that Medicare provides.
    You didnt get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark, and our debt hit the thirteen trillion dollar mark.
    You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America
    deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars,
    lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you,

    but helping other Americans... oh h e l l no.



    AND NOW YOURE MAD !
  • Jackie M
    loud--you are an idiot and typical liberal! how do you know what i got mad about and what i didnt? how do you know what peoples thoughts were? i guess you are the typical liberal know-it-all. all you have to do is ask a liberal how much they know and you will be quick to tell people how smart you are--not! the liberal lines of where were we then and why didnt we get mad are getting old and they are useless. but hey, that is what you guys are! some of your comments are stupid at best but they are liberal ones so..........

    as a matter of fact, i am angry about some things that happened during the Bush years but the "torturing" one and others on your list are not issues I give a damn about and some I agree with. however, i do give a damn about the fact that clinton cut intelligence that took decades to build up all in the name of saving money. therefore, our intelligence was severely damaged before and after 9/11. i guess you dont remember the issues with intelligence gathering and the shortage of trained people to even translate the info. we did have. since it took decades to build up what we had, it would have been impossible for Bush to do anything to reverse clintons "mistake." so when you talk about surplus, i would have rather had the money go back so that 9/11 may have been prevented. of course, clinton admitted he failed to kill bin laden when he had the chance so there is a possibility all of this could have been avoided in the first place. but one big major difference between President Bush and idiot obama is class. you didnt hear Bush complaining about clinton and the mess he left, which included a recession and lack of intelligence. obama is a disgrace and an embarrassment to our country.

    stealing and corruption is what you guys support. stealing the hard-earned money of others to support those who dont earn it is wrong but you idiots think it is ok, especially when it destroys jobs in the process. you guys support entitlement programs that promote dependence and not independence while doing nothing to distinguish the truly helpless from those who dont want to help themselves. you fools support a failed healthcare plan without giving a damn that there arent enough doctors and healthcare professionals to support an additional 30MM people going for routine care. LOL! yep, you guys are the folks who have contacted the dumbing down of America syndrome! oh yeah, what about idiot obama talking about how special interests are wrong right after he made a special deal with the unions. LOL!

    by the way, your ignorance is really astounding. iraq did pose a direct threat to us and has done so for years. saddam had been shooting at our military for years and years. so i guess trying to kill Americans who were merely ensuring the safety of others is no problem? i cant believe we didnt take him out before we did. however, regardless of the reasons we went in, im proud that we saved thousands of little girls from being raped by saddams son and so many more people from being killed by the dictator. lives were lost unfortunately but a free country erupted. i love the fact that woman and little girls now have freedom and the choice to get an education. Thank God for our military! They have done an outstanding job freeing people. you will make the dumb argument about chemical weapons, which we know they had, hence the name chemical ali and the curds dying, but i wont go there since it is a stupid discussion.

    so lets get this straight--you think the debt under Bush was bad but since obama has literally blown that out of the water and wasted a lot more, it is ok? LOL! you also will fail at attempting to say obamas actions were necessary. however, the dead people that obama sent "stimulus" money to probably appreciated the gesture but wish they could have been around to spend it! if idiot obama had bothered to us his law degree, he would have read the bill before signing it and realized that his request to take the AIG bonus restriction out was stupid! however, his theatrics and absolute "shock" about the whole deal was funny! he is lousy at lying but does it often. sending "stimulus" money that was supposed to be for creating jobs out of this country to create jobs for people in China is ok? hmmmmmm! yep, you are a liberal idiot!

    you will lose your arguments but it was a nice try anyway. you have said everything every other liberal has said when they come to this site to cause trouble. you guys need to come up with something new for a change! the topics are getting old. please do your research on this site before bringing up old news! you guys bore me!
  • loudva2
    Boy Jackie you sure have a knack for letting "dumb asses" get under your skin. Youre like a great big wind up toy. With you all one needs to do is say some comments that will get you going and then wammo the conservative talk starts flowing like a bad case of diarrhea.
  • loudva2
    along with the insults!
  • Jackie M
    loud--thanks! common sense alludes you guys every single time. what part of the word "broke" dont you understand? i know it is hard for you to understand that his failed healthcare plan will cause states to layoff more people. they cant afford the extra costs and will have to raise taxes on everyone. i know you love that idea since you dont want people to be employed, have homes or feed their families. it is also hard for you idiots not to comprehend the idea that according to obama we are already 150K doctors short as it is in this country and you fools cant control the medical professionals. therefore, healthcare WILL BE RATIONED. i know you prefer to ignore this "detail" because the idealogy of your party sounds better in your dream world.
  • loudva2
    Also, Im not a Liberal! It may seem that way because youre so far to the right that anyone who doesnt agree with you is instantly labeled a "Liberal."
  • Jackie M
    loud--ha! well, you can call yourself anything you want but you are a liberal. im a conservative republican that follows the principals. period. however, to liberals, im too far to the right or whatever. i dont really care about what any liberal/democrat says. anyone who supports obama isnt rational or honest!
  • loudva2
    Lets see! Not only are you a hypocrite you also profess to be closed minded and you are proud of it! Nice!
  • loudva2
    Way to further PROVE my points! I dont have anytime for someone so dumb that they actually think torture works! Also, get some help for your transference issues. You may want to incorporate SOME facts into your opinions. Still waiting for you to PROVE me wrong! Its obvious you dont have any idea what proof is. The only thing you do is insult people and perpetuate a simple, self centered, antiquated, shallow, and ridiculous mindset! I probably have forgotten more then youll ever know! Im against voluntary wars because I support and value our military. You are the one who is in support of being frivolous with the lives of people in our incredible military. They are heroes and dont deserve to be treated like that!
  • Jackie M
    loud-i didnt say whether i believed in torture or not and didnt discuss the definition of torture in the first place so keep up with your assumptions. you are a fool! i have shown proof in most of my posts here but chose not to keep beating a dead horse. they are easily found on this site. however, there are people who dont do their research before posting stupid comments. so to your point, prove your posts! you havent so far but there is still time. go ahead! The only thing you do is insult people and perpetuate a simple, self centered, antiquated, shallow, and ridiculous mindset! thank you for that description of yourself! it works! yeah, you just proved my point about how much you think of yourself and how smart you think you are. liberals love to do this while being able to prove nothing. you may be the first on this site so ill give you another chance but all the others cant put true facts with their posts. one loves to attempt to do this and even said i was a hypocrit because my state received "stimulus" money. now a rational person would say that i dont control what they receive and would understand that i think it has been a total waste regardless of what state receives it. a rational person would also know that I make it known that it is unacceptable and will vote accordingly. however, that was a liberals way of thinking even after i gave examples of the wasted "stimulus" money in my state and one other. LOL! so hopefully you will do better than that irrational liberal but i doubt it. so examples of everything discussed are all over this site for educated people.
  • loudva2
    Anyway thanks for the fun Jackie! Youve definitely given me a laugh tonight!
  • loudva2
    as a matter of fact, i am angry about some things that happened during the Bush years but the "torturing" one and others on your list are not issues I give a damn about and some I agree with.

    Sounds like to me you couldnt care less about torture happening which is just like condoning it.
  • Jackie M
    The "stimulus" money is being wasted on giving people jobs overseas while people in this country are jobless. obama should be brought up on fraud charges because he is responsible for controlling this. The "stimulus" money was only supposed to be used for creating jobs. This time CA is sending money to China. Another example is where teachers went to a conference with the "stimulus" money and the head of the school system admitted this on national TV. obamas idiot supporters condone this wasteful spending while obama is becoming more arrogant than before, if that is possible! This anti-American "leader" needs to go! He has no respect for the middleclass or anyone else! CA is going bankrupt as a result of liberal policies and obama is following this failed plan. It is sad that obama is not being held accountable for his own promises to the American people and that people still support this lying fool.

    Today the CBO came out and said this spending path is not sustainable! DUH! This was true before the healtcare bill was passed. obamas cult members dont give a damn about this spending spree or how much money anything costs as long as their agenda is being fulfilled. It is evident they dont give a damn about the suffering of people in this country. Jobs are not their priority. States are going to go bankrupt thanks to obamas agenda. Most local taxes are going up but obamas fools dont consider this a direct consequence of obamas bad policies. LOL! Now they are talking about the VAT. The idiots in charge are going to tax, tax and tax and spend, spend and spend. They are not looking to cut unnecessary programs because they are damn liberals/democrats. They think any entitlement programs are necessary regardless of whether they work or not. For example, they want to continue pouring money into education without fixing the main problem. Regardless of the truth, the idiots will continue to lie about how republicans dont want to fund education.

    The damn liberals/democrats will continue to falsely accuse the right of being racists and anything else just to attempt to take peoples eyes off of obamas failing policies. That is who these people are. They dont want to work on the real issues of this country! They are the nastiest and most dishonest group of people anywhere right now! They will stoop to any level to stir up trouble and arent rational. There is no debating these fools because they have no morals and values and live in their own fantasy lands! They offer nothing positive but enjoy the destructive nature of their party!
  • loudva2
    This just in Jackie! Actually not just in but almost! March 2010 saw more jobs created then in any month for three years prior! That dreaded progressive stimulus is proving you wrong! Also I feel the need to state if "w" hadnt effed the country up in the first place with irresponsible deregulation we wouldnt have needed the stimulus. Also I was wondering if you could define the word FACT without looking it up?
  • Jackie M
    loud--talk about stupid comments! LOL! yes, a stupid person could look at the numbers alone and come to the same dumb conclusions you guys do. as usual with liberals, the devil is in the details. expanding government jobs--temporary or permanent only adds to our debt and doesnt do a thing to help our economy. the only jobs that will make a difference are private sector ones and it has to be in the range of at least 250K/mo to stop the bleeding but will still not be enough to employ the newcomers into the market. do your homework. GDP numbers can also be deceiving and you have to be able to distinguish between inventory buildup and new business. keep up your ignorance. it is typical.
  • loudva2
    "They offer nothing positive but enjoy the destructive nature of their party!" You may want to look at the all time job creation numbers and percentages before you go too far with that OPINION! A fellow poster was kind enough to list them above. Talking about fantasy lands! WOW!
  • loudva2
    Failing Policies? You obviously havent been paying attention! That or your watching too much Fox news! You are as bad as the "liberals" you chastise! The reason is you are a fanatic!

    Try some moderation. Its possible to maintain a strong free market while maintaining a society of conscience! Wheres the "morality" in being ok with some among us having the best health care in the world while others have none at all.

    The CBO also said that health reform will be deficit neutral over the first ten years and save over a trillion in the ten years after that! Funny how you conveniently dont mention that! I think its pretty clear what kind of person you are: Ill start with SELFISH!
  • Jackie M
    loud--you are such a dumbass! you fools dont understand moderation and a society of conscience! LOL! all republicans want healthcare reform but through the free market system where it will work best.

    the cbo numbers are just that and they said it didnt include a major part of healthcare that you fools left out. pay attention for a change. as a matter of fact, the assumptions in the healthcare bill were just that and the cbo when off the assumptions of the damn democrats and liberals. LOL! we know the assumptions arent true in the first place. besides the special deals, bribes, and corruption in the bill, what is good about it? it will cause the states to go into more debt and possible bankruptcy along with state and local taxes going up on everyone including the middleclass. can you say obama lied about raising taxes on the folks who cant afford it in the first place? LOL! by the way, why dont you quit selecting bits and pieces of a big picture to discuss. you can start by telling the truth about the cbos recent announcement that the current debt situation is unsustainable.

    the typical liberal spin you spew about fox news is a joke and is also really getting old. i prefer to watch all national news channels as well as reading other sources. my experience and education in economics, finance and investments also ensures I understand the whole picture.

    you and the rest of the damn liberals/democrats are the most selfish pieces of shit this country has to offer. the state of this nation and the expansion of welfare proves this. you guys love that the poor are becoming more dependent on the government and will never come out of their situation. you are also responsible for stifling job growth and continuing to destroy the middleclass. however, you are too stupid to realize it (maybe you are too evil to give a damn)! what a sad situation!
  • charlestheteacher
    has anyone seen this? Obama and this guy are two pees in a pod...
    http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/3tcr
  • Jackie M
    Charles--ignore the nasty comments from toe. she cant contribute anything to this site so she has to throw insults.
  • loudva2
    I dont know Jackie it would be nice for someone to have a brain if they are going to post such asinine opinions.
  • Jackie M
    loud--your comments are typical of liberals. they are childish at best!
  • Jackie M
    Charles--ignore the nasty comments from toe. she cant contribute anything to this site so she has to throw insults.
  • toe
    Charles- other than the fact that you are quite obviously NOT a teacher of any sort- whats your point?

    "two pees in a pod"???

    after you finish third grade, Charles- perhaps your mother should take you shopping for veggies...perhaps for some PEAS?

    there, their, theyre
    two, too, to
    pee, pea
    tee, tea........
    endless stupidity from you poor souls...
    come on now, if you read once in a while, you could grasp this...really, you could.
  • toe
    Any person who dares to claim that the "bush tax cuts" were helpful to this economy are simply not armed with facts.
    Any person who claims that President Obama is a socialist who has set out to destroy the United States is just not armed with the facts.
    Any person jumping up and down about the current economic situation without looking at and understanding how we got here is just not armed with the facts.
    Any person plopping their ignorant posts here with nothing but hate for "liberals" and anyone else who disagrees with their version of life, social issues, religious dogma, political party, are simply not armed with the facts.
    Any person who takes anything Jackie says on this site seriously is seriously lacking in common knowledge available to everyone with a brain and the interest to learn the facts.
    Jackie is putrid with hate... oozing with the puss of bigotry, shrill, vile, acidic divisive verbiage that will only serve to keep her isolated from actual life and real people who know better than to bother with her henceforth.
  • trcojoc
    Dont bet on it,

    He will never get it.
  • Triple Net Lease Properties
    Say what you will but the last Aministration was for helping America business. The Tax cuts helped everyone, more jobs etc.
  • toe
    Well put David.
    The fact of the matter is that many people are angry, or uncertain, and (like many on this site) filled with fear. They want to find someone handy for the blame of whatever form of discomfort they find themselves feeling. Hollywood, video games, television, the internet, the media in all forms, NOW, LGBT, PFLAG, atheists, ACLU, any person wearing a turban, any religion other than Christianity, liberals, community organizations, PETA, the next door neighbor driving an imported car, ...it doesnt really matter- they are all spending their days and nights plotting against the "real Americans".
    Media consolidation and the merging of mega businesses and financial institutions have created monsters. Businesses and banks "too big to fail" , news media no longer accountable to act as "the fourth estate" but rather now to protect their corporate interests, and multinational corporations whose only interest is in their bottom line and what country best protects these interests.. Politics are the least of their worries. Taxes are paid by others- not them.

    Peak oil and global climate change are to the people here as real as the Great Pumpkin. There are basic ideological differences between the progressive and the conservative. The conservative has no interest in the long term- whether its for energy,the middle class, infrastructure, or the economy. Before Jackie gets her undies in a bunch over this as well- Just take a look at the records of every single republican administration in the past 40 years and what they did with any one of these areas. The republicans rant and rave over spending but voted against "paygo". Ranted and raved over the debt and co-sponsored the development of a commission to address this- and then voted against it. Im sorry, Jackie, but current statements that the GOP "will no longer work" with Democrats is just silly. You cannot stop doing something when you never started doing it in the first place. You cannot claim you didnt make the mess when the tracks made by your muddy shoes lead straight to your feet.
  • toe
    David, Jackie has already stated that - under no circumstances- will she ever click on a link placed here by a liberal. She is apparently afraid of what shell find which will disrupt completely her entire theory on why shes right and everyone else is wrong.
    "I dont need no stinkin facts!" (I intentionally placed the double negative here- but she wont notice because this is how she speaks). She is unable to just research how much taxes HUGE corporate industries pay in this country. (Hint: Many pay exactly NONE, Jackie). She jumps up and down that the government is "taking away her freedoms!!!"- Obama has some master plan that he designed some 49 years ago to take over the country. (Honestly, she really believes this). She wants Obama away from the free market and away from the private sector... Out of her other face, she jumps up and down like a chimp screeching that Obama has not created jobs- but he needs to stay out of private businesses- just wave some sort of wand, I suppose. She claims to hold the truth about everything to do with economics because shes "trained" in this...however...when pressed on this, she cannot name one single economists theory - she doesnt even know who they are. Shes a fraud. Nothing more. Lots of noise- screeching noise.
  • davidwwalters
    Toe, it isnt for JackieM that i placed the link or for that matter write any of this......
    -No, it is for those that do have a mind open to reason that i write for.
    "The real source of the over-the-top rage of 2010 is the same kind of national existential reordering that roiled America in 1964..........The conjunction of a black president and a female speaker of the House, topped off by a wise Latina on the Supreme Court and a powerful gay Congressional committee chairman would sow fears of disenfranchisement among a dwindling and threatened minority in the country no matter what policies were in play."-Frank Rich wrote in the NY Times today, and he hit it dead on i think.
    The nation is changing demographically, and it frightens many, and it is these frightened people we see shouting and acting as they do. Jackie is just scared, thats all.
    She like so many of the Tea Party movement are scared by
  • davidwwalters
    I wonder how low the tax rate on the rich needs to go before they will "stimulate" the economy. Is it just an intimidation tactic similar to the childish techniques congressional republicans have been practicing this week(ill take my toys and go home at 2PM)...........
    -Ive been waiting since 1981 for this trickle down to trickle down and reach me, no matter how hard i have toiled!
  • Jackie M
    david--the corrupt techniques the damn liberals/democrats have practiced has caused this nation to become further divided. if you still support them after this, you have major issues that cant be corrected here! the trickle down affect worked for me and lots of others. i guess you never figured out how to work smarter and not harder. a lot of people are in your same boat but it has nothing to do with the fact that the opportunities werent out there. it is funny that you mention the trickle down affect because the proof is out there in the news for all to see. what is happening companies right now? they are planning to lay more people off due to the taxes and fees and changes to healthcare. contrary to what that idiot obama says the premiums are going up for everyone who actually pays them. maybe you arent included in that huge group and that is great. however, there are a lot of folks who are and will suffer as a result. obama is a failure and the fact that we have no jobs and he has been concentrating on a corrupt healtcare bill proves it. people are suffering and the liberals/democrats are laughing in their faces. i dont think i would call that the party that cares about the people. i guess when you guys finally see our country go bankrupt, you will be happy!
  • davidwwalters
    Corrupt techniques? Ive no idea what you are talking about. The division is from the Glen Becks et al and the republicans that wanna jump on that bandwagon, and any "issues" i may have are not connected with this anyway, since it is between me and my VA psychiatrist. And in my field (engineering/surveying), you have to work "smart" AND "hard", opportunities notwithstanding. I hear GM just re-opened a plant and rehired some of their layoffs. As for the dire you predict, why didnt you predict the shit "W" got us into like i did? Hes the one that left us a broke nation Jackie.
  • toe
    Jackie will never, never admit to her part in the growth of the debt, will never admit to her part in watching dubbah bring this nation to its knees, financially and militarily. She helped elect him once and sang praises when the Supreme Court elected him the second time. Her selective memory can only recall anything that has Obamas name attached to it. Her Bible is so redacted, her version could be read during a television commercial. Given the amount of information and evidence available to anyone with eyeballs, her absolute failure to have any grasp of where we are and how we got here remains incredible. It is no small wonder that she proudly claims ownership of people like Virginia Foxx, Michelle Bachman, Glenn Beck, and - even the ever wrong, Sarah Palin. Jackie and her "ideas" were voted down for the past two elections. She just cannot get over this. Everyday she glues her face to Faux "News" ... snatching up anything she thinks will make a gotcha moment - then, runs over here to post it- she never once comes back with an apology after her "the sky is falling!!!! comments have been totally and completely debunked. Never once. Her mind is closed to any feedback that does not match what she believes to be true.
    Nothing in her life will ever change this. Its what happens to undereducated people.
    Buying a diploma with box tops Jackie it not the same as actually going to school.
    But, you would not dare do this- because, as you have stated here over and over and over again- colleges and universities are filled with liberals and liberal professors who drool at the prospect of exposing you to actual facts. Mind altering stuff, these facts, Jackie. If you had your head out of your butt, you could actually see where you were going.
  • Jackie M
    toe--you are an idiot and obviously have trouble with the simplest of tasks, which includes reading. i would suggest that you go back and read my posts from months ago about debt and you will have proof that you are lying again! you have no proof in any of your posts to back up what you are saying. ive proven liberals wrong time and time again. however, the unemployment numbers speak for themselves. we can also discuss how this failed healthcare plan will bankrupt the states and some small business, which means more layoffs and higher unemployment. better yet we can discuss the doctor shortage that will ensure the failure of this plan and loss of life.
  • davidwwalters
    http://nealo.com/2009/09/18/iokiyar-sept-18-2009/
    -This is what toe&i; are talking about!
    The ones who voted for Dubya are the ones who have driven this once great nation into the ground. Denial is the term that fits.
  • Wake Up America
    The small business owners continue to get a beating...
  • Jackie M
    you are right. as you know, since the small business owners continue to get hammered, jobs will continue to be lost and tax revenues for obamas welfare programs will decrease. i just saw a video (link below) on msnbc that discusses the healthcare lies. it is remarkable that the damn liberals/democrats are still dumb enough to believe everything obama tells them when he has proven to be untrustworthy. the big businesses have now come out with estimates on how much this is going to cost them. whether the numbers are accurate or not, it is irrelevant because we do know they will be hit with higher taxes and as a result, more jobs will be lost there too! obama supporters must be proud of the destruction they are causing. i dont understand how they can sleep at night.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/vp/36059256...
  • Dolores Y.
    Hey Jackie! I see nothing much has changed here! Still the same obstinate progressives, trolling, distracting, defiant.

    Im surprised to see you are still here.

    Visit me at twitter!
  • politics1
    Politics:-
    We would require all U.S. citizens and legal immigrants who want jobs to obtain a high-tech, fraud-proof Social Security card," the senators opinion article says. "Each cards unique biometric identifier would be stored only on the card; no government database would house everyones information. The cards would not contain any private information, medical information or tracking devices.student aid
  • dontpaytaxes
    Please, pass this around before the violence erupts! This is the last step before the revolution begins. Please, pass it around! Lets try and get millions of votes!!!!

    To: Congress, the House and the President

    Re: Taxes

    Sign this petition at:

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/irefusetopay/


    Over the past year, you’ve ignored the will of the people in many respects. You’ve pushed a monstrosity of a health care bill on us, which we’ve begged and pleaded you stop pushing. You’ve ignored the welfare and security of the people’s ability to find work and instead tossed them enough crumbs to get by through the intermittent passage of a UI bill that barely feeds a family of two, depending on where you live. You’ve pushed every possible anti-small business legislation in an order to crush the middle class and rich to help even out the dire needs of the poor. This is not America. This is class warfare, this is redistribution of wealth, this is tyranny and this is soon to be anarchy. In order to prevent anarchy, in order to prevent the violence and uprisings which we all feel are on the brink of happening, WE THE PEOPLE would like to present you with an alternative. The outcome of this alternative would end up keeping the peace, something we all want, something that is necessary to a civil society. This alternative would also help CONTROL the fanatical and power hungry desires of an out of control government. What is the alternative? Paying taxes. Or not paying taxes!

    The government needs OUR tax revenue for the overall general welfare of the country, which includes the upkeep of America’s infrastructure as well as the funding of our military, something we can all agree brings every man, woman and child protection. The problem that we all understand is that once this health care bill/education passes, among other anti-business bills such as cap and trade, the unionization of all businesses and other atrocious anti-business bills, NO AMOUNT of tax revenue will be enough to feed this out of control beast riddled with social program after social program. Just as Medicare costs were thought to be in the millions when the program first surfaced in the 60’s, in only a few short years we learned that the costs were potentially back bone breaking and today we have somewhere between 50 to 100 trillion in unfunded Medicare and social security liabilities. If it weren’t for the full faith and backing of the Chinese, Japanese and other countries who buy our treasuries and if weren’t for the productivity of the US worker whose pay check the government receives FICA taxes from, we’d had found ourselves in third world economic status in no time. But now that the government is taking away our economic freedoms, our ability to push this country forward without being swamped by social programs that tax us to death, now that the country is on the verge of losing its triple A bond rating, the possibility that those countries stop funding our liabilities is great. The fact that the US economy will be burdened by these bills and thus slow even more is no secret. And these problems equate to the death of the United States. It also means that no amount of tax revenue will keep our head above water and paying even a dollar in taxes will be a dollar wasted.

    So we come to you with this idea. Should you pass health care, should you continue to destroy the economic freedoms this country has enjoyed for two hundred plus years, we will not pay our taxes. If you think that you can control millions and millions of Americans through the IRS, then you’re sadly mistaken. Your IRS agents will be swamped with a convoluted mess of never ending paperwork, case loads and aggravation which means the revenue to the US government, which is drastically dropping due to the recession we’re in, will continue to drop and drop and drop. And let me assure you that soon enough, the US government won’t even have enough tax revenue to put gas in Air Force One.

    So we now present you with two options. The first, continue pushing through your despotic nonsense and chance losing the tax revenue of millions and millions of tax paying citizens. The second, come back to the center and start governing how WE THE PEOPLE want you to govern. I can assure you that should you choose the latter, the country will continue as it has for the past couple of hundred years but should you choose the former, you’re essentially risking civil unrest throughout the country, your political careers and potentially the life of this country. So I leave you with this… The choice is yours…. Choose wisely.

    Truly and Sincerely,

    The People of the United States

    If you would like to sign but don’t want to sign your own name, then sign “Susan B. Anthony” or “John Adams”. If an email is asked for, use ‘dontpaytaxes@live.com’ or any other fake email. The point is to get as many signatures as possible. Thank you for your political patronage AND please, pass this around to anyone you think would be interested in signing it. Thank you!

    Sign this petition at:

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/irefusetopay/
  • Jackie M
    toe--the reason i do not name an author is because i refuse to play into your game! your lies continue and i did give a perfect example of a theory that you are ignoring as usual. i have never had an economics course that didnt teach this simple theory so it doesnt make a damn about the author. in addition, all of the economics books that Ive read, which obviously is quite a few because of my degrees, discuss how other factors, such as governmnent interference will produce different outcomes (common sense). this is evident in the failed healthcare plan when you try to insure 30MM more people without regard to where the resources (manpower) will come from. you are an idiot and obviously have no integrity.

    i also will not go into the Bible teachings because you have no morals and values and will start a dumb argument over anything i directly quote from the Bible. again, that is what you morons do. i dont have to prove my religion, especially because Im not in the public eye making claims to be a Christian while going against Christian principals when making policies. your lying is just more proof that if you did grow up in a Christian home, you rebeled against everything that is right! oh by the way,

    where are the jobs that obama promised? obviously, this is a very black and white issue since he promised the unemployment rate would not go above 8.3%. so guess what? he failed by making promises that he couldnt deliver. i predicted this before the bill was signed and during this time some of his own economists were advising him that this would not work. this was in the news. however, he decided to listen to the liberal economists, which got him into trouble as we can see! by the way, you have yet to prove that jobs were created/saved! of course, temporary jobs or jobs that will have to be continually funded by the federal government dont count because they merely put a temporary bandaid on a bigger problem and you know that. as government revenues continue to decline and the waste increases, your messiah will not be successful! you have not mentioned the in-fighting within your own party going on. LOL!

    i guess you want to forget that your own party is in trouble so you turn to others to place blame! does that sound familiar? LOL! you are doing a great job at destroying your own party! your lies are not helping your cause. the corruption in your own party has been exposed and more people are coming out to discuss it. while i dont believe every massa says because he is a damn democrat, the mob-style approach that obama and his administration use is no surprise because of his background in Chicago and the bribes and backdoor deals that have been made. this goes to prove further that you dont have any integrity because you support this and the inequality of people.

    why dont you throw the race thing out there again. since ive never mentioned it and have only discussed policy, you have no basis for that stupid comment either!
  • loudva2
    Youre not going to prove your religion because you cant! Thats why people invented the word faith! Also "religious" people" havent really been the carriers of the torch of morality! Think about it! Religion was created to control the simple uneducated masses. With that in mind I guess it isnt any surprise your a bible thumper! I feel the need to point out you judge more then any "religious" person should. Then again hypocrisy is a major tenet of any religious entity!
  • Jackie M
    loud--your thought process is again flawed. since you dont know what my specific religious beliefs are, you are showing your ignorance once again! lumping everyone who believes in God into one pot is stupid but fools like you continue to lie and spew garbage because that is all you have. however, since obama has made his beliefs known and if we are to take his word for it (his lies prove him unreliable), we can see whether he holds true to this by his actions, policies and the people he hires. there ya go!
  • toe
    more noise.
    Listen, Jackie- there is no game here. No jokes are being told. I have simply pointed out your lies and your phony background in economics education as you have claimed. Your refusal is proof positive that you - like many of your heros in the congress- will say anything because they know that fools like you are a dime a dozen and will believe anything. They somehow have missed the memo that "the internets" and "the google" and "the youtubes" exist. I have pointed out as well the hypocrisy of your party when it comes to: religion, policy, social issues. Governing is no joke, Jackie. Governing is not a game, Jackie. Get your ass in front of a book. Your narrow view does not allow you to see the folly of your fact free rants. My "party" ? My "party" is in trouble? Lets look at this, Jackie. I am a citizen of the United States. My COUNTRY is in trouble- yet you can only see this in terms of "red state/blue state". I dont want my (and your) president to fail. Failure of a president - no matter what party- effects us all negatively. You want this. I dont. There are no games being played here, Jackie. Whats being played is YOU. No one from the democratic party has called him this- but you do. Who makes constant claims that "idiots elected this idiot so that they could ruin the country"- Lets look at this, Jackie. What you are saying (in addition to calling someone far superior to you, IQ-wise, an idiot)what you are saying is that an overwhelming number of people in this country are not only idiots- you are saying that you are horrifically outnumbered in your thinking. Well, on this last note- its quite true- your tiny like-minded wing-nut fringe folks are overwhelmingly outnumbered- making the most noise does not change the facts. You are just plain wrong and a fraud.
  • Jim
    Dear Mr. Obama,

    It is October 22, 2008. My name is Stinky Jim. I am a 50 something
    conservative white male. I have followed your campaign closely,
    including the speeches you and others made at the democratic national
    convention. I am respectfully providing you with seven simple
    (probably shallow) reasons why I could never vote for you.
    I believe my opinion is shared by many people. While there may not be
    quite enough to prevent you from becoming president of this nation, I do think
    there is an awakening to the fact that you are not a (the) messiah that the
    media and liberal Hollywood entertainers are trying to portray you.

    1. Often I hear your mantra of change, change, change.
    Yet, you picked a long term, liberal, Washington insider (Joe Biden) to be
    your running mate. This is NOT change. It is a move that
    hypocritically refutes the very thing you supposedly stand for. Your
    campaign then slammed McCain for picking Sarah Palin, apparently, because she
    is NOT a Washington insider. She is a maverick who cleaned-up Alaska s
    quagmire of political scandals. Which way is it, Barack? Is it
    okay for you to pick a Washington insider under the mantra of change, but
    not okay for John McCain to pick a smart, aggressive, reformer?


    2. You have the single most liberal voting record in the senate.
    This indicates to me and others like me that you may very
    well be an angry black man seeking to punish our country for sins of a
    different generation. I am not racist. I have some biases just like you
    and every other human alive. Unlike the democratic party who claims to
    be for the minority (but their record heavily refutes this), I will give any
    person who truly needs help, help. I married a minority girl 35 years
    ago (she is Hispanic) and have seen the evils of prejudice first hand.
    However, I have also seen my wife and my children and others in her family
    throw off the veil of self imposed prejudicial bondage and move ahead.
    They love our country and do not view themselves any different than I view
    myself as a citizen of this country. Your lovely wife so disappointed people
    like me during this campaign when she stated it was the first time she had
    ever been proud of this country. She apparently never noticed the
    massive aid we give dozens of other countries. She apparently never
    noticed the sacrifice of literally millions of veterans who helped make this
    country a free nation and helped liberate other nations from brutal dictators
    such as Adolf Hitler. She apparently does not remember that she attended
    ivy league universities with scholarship money that ultimately (at least some
    of it) was paid for by our taxes. This troubles me more than you
    know. She is an angry black woman who appears to not like her country
    very much. I dont want her representing me to the rest of the world.


    3. You claim Christianity but apparently do not realize that the Bible
    teaches that he who does not work, does not eat. The Bible does
    not say or even suggest that he who CANNOT work, should not eat.
    Yet, your liberal policies reward people who are capable of working,
    but choose to not do so. This bothers me. I know that if you are
    elected our taxes will spiral upwards. You should heed the words of
    Winston Churchill: We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself
    into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to
    lift himself up by the handle. If I like anything about you, it is your
    campaign promise to balance the federal budget. Unfortunately, we have
    heard this a huge number of times from a number of different politicians and
    we realize that when you energize the very liberal Nancy Pelosi, Robert Byrd,
    Ted Kennedy, etc, etc, and the many other democrats like them, a balanced
    budget will never, ever happen on your watch.


    4. During your question and answer session with Rick Warren of
    Saddleback Church your answer concerning the question of where does life
    begin, stunned me: Above your pay grade? Does this mean when
    something bad happens as President of this nation that you are going to look
    at your salary to determine if you can respond? I am sorry, but this was
    the most serious gaffe I have seen you make. Frankly, it shows me that
    you are pandering in the most obvious manner. You will choose your words
    not from your heart, but from an agenda that I believe is still hidden from
    the American people.

    5. If anything stands out about you it is probably your appeasement mentality.
    In this era of rampant, radical Islamic extremism and with the latest stunt
    pulled by the re-energized Russian government, I am not sure appeasement is healthy.
    I again revert to the words of Winston Churchill: An appeaser is one
    who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

    6. You and your party tacitly believe that a 13 or 14 year old girl must have the
    parents approval to have the school nurse provide them with a Tylenol when
    they have a headache at school. Yet, this same girl can become pregnant
    and the school can skirt her off to a clinic and abort the child in her body
    without the parents knowing or being notified. This scares the hell out
    of me. You have two little girls. Would you be upset if this happened to
    them and you were not informed? Then why do you stand for this?
    It makes no sense to me.

    7. My seventh and final point (for now) is your supporters. I have watched
    the Hollywood entertainers that support you, systematically embrace
    Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and others like him. I see the continuous
    smut and garbage produced by Hollywood , the very people who promote
    you the most vigorously. It is not a positive point to me and others like me
    to see these over-paid, bizarre, poor examples of human existence fawn
    over you and push you and your liberal agenda as hard as they do. The
    way I see it; When the devil is for you, we should question whether or
    not we should be against you.


    In closing, I just want you to know that you scare me. I cannot vote for you.
    It is not because of your skin color. It is because these items Ive listed
    and many, many others like them. Do not claim that my dislike for you is
    race based. It is because I do not feel you have the best interests of this
    nation at heart.
  • loudva2
    I just wanted you to know you scare me! Wacko!
  • Jackie M
    Jim, that was a great post! Thank you for sharing!
  • Huh?
    Jim- such a simpleton you are. Its no small wonder that you brought Jackies juices flowing.
  • Jackie M
    Conservatives, it is ridiculous that idiot liberals come to this site just to cause trouble. however, class is not something they understand on any level so it is expected. they are the worst this country has to offer and dont have any idea about being an American. their "anything goes" mentality has created a lot of problems in the schools and elsewhere! all i have to say to those idiot obama cult followers is where are the jobs (17% unemployment) and what are we going to do if our credit rating decreases and we are bankrupt as a direct result of obamas liberal/radical policies? will anyone give a damn about healthcare when there is no one working, tax revenues are a lot lower and we cant borrow money? i dont think so. there will be no social programs for anyone if our countrys economy cant survive. there will be no more borrowed money and jobs will decline further. that means even the teachers and government workers wont have jobs! what are they going to do about the national security risk they have caused? they will continue to blame Bush but these particular problems didnt occur under his leadership! LOL! it is sad that simple economics conveniently evades their thoughts but after repeated requests that they take some courses on the subject, they refuse to get educated! common sense doesnt come naturally to them; however, they have convinced themselves that they are bright! just ask them! LOL! coming to this site with their false views of the world is doing nothing for their cause except ensuring they are ignored and people will continue to see obama for the fool he is. basic courses in economics and business prove them wrong; however, common sense does also. i guess it is expected when their cult leader doesnt have any experience in solving any problems much less experience in business and economic issues. LOL! i laugh everytime I see them defending obamas policies and cant believe the ignorance we still have in this country, especially about our economic problems. to think we should spend money on temporary jobs and that they will improve this economy is stupid. who will fund them next year and in ten years? how is this helping us to recover from the recession? they are too stupid to understand the cause in the increased GDP and falsely attribute it to obamas "stimulus." I guess an education would not do them any good if they dont understand the simplest concepts. LOL!

    of course, i should mention the corrupt healthcare debacle and the fact that they are lying to the American people. It wont work! You cant pass a bill on healthcare reform until you correct the current shortage of medical professionals. obama admitted the current shortage but ignored this critical issue and went full steam ahead with his failed plan! adding more people into the system will cause healthcare to be rationed and some of those with life-threatening illnesses will not be able to get the care in time they need. so the liberal "people dying in the streets" lie will become a reality! the damn liberals are the most ignorant group in our country. they will ignore the facts and continue to spew garbage and hate.

    the nut jobs claimed to believe in equality for all? LOL! their approval of excluding some people from abiding by this bill while creating a bigger burden on others prove this wrong! however, they dont have a problem with blowing our money and ensuring taxes increase unnecessarily while preventing job growth. the only thing these idiots want to do is to tear down our country!
  • toe
    that would be five LOLs ...she claims to be a grown up woman.
    heres a thought, Jackie- the cart does not pull the horse.
    think about it.
  • Jackie M
    toe--ill be glad to think about something youve said when you decide to get an economic book and start learning. then you will be able to discuss things on an intelligent level. i back up what i say with known facts and anything to do with the economy can be found in books as well as in corporate America. However, since you continue to spout lies and ignore facts that are proven just as most liberals do, we have nothing to discuss. your mental illness prevents you from thinking rationally and I feel sorry for you!

    As for obamas religion, he is not a Christian and I can back that up with the teachings of the Bible. However, it is obvious that you are ignorant on that subject too so I wont point out specifics.

    You fools are willing to support a poor healthcare bill that will cause more harm than good just to say that obama has accomplished something during his playtime in the WH. He had the option of being an actual leader and telling the Senate and Congress that he would not accept any backroom deals and higher costs in the bill. However, he decided to do what he does best and provide no guidance. Poor leadership is a result. You idiots will continue to ignore his lack of experience and attempt to cover his failures up with rhetoric.
  • loudva2
    So how did Clinton have the only surplus in decades? Oh yeah I forgot everything positive about this country is because of republicans and everything bad is because of Democrats!
  • toe
    "Teachings of the bible"...? please, place your proof here. I will read it.
    You see, I missed the part of the bible that said "..in 2008 there will come a man who will run for president of the United States. He will say he was born in Hawaii, and all documents will show this to be true, yet this man will emerge unto you and proclaim the hope of change and the peoples will follow."... please tell me where this is found.

    And...which economists path did you have in mind? Milton? Paul? Murray? since you claim to be the expert, only first names are necessary, me thinks. I have read them all- by the way- none of them agree. Perhaps Ayn? she was not an economist, per se- but you certainly could not agree with her- she believed in reason.

    I am, frankly, damn tired of your noise, Jackie- as you constantly spout noise but no facts. You would not know economic theory if it bit you on the nose. I doubt that you even know what a P & L statement is or how to produce one. Noise. Just like a kid in the kitchen with a spoon on a kettle producing nothing but irritation and noise.

    I am not only a successful businesswoman, I am a woman who served in public office after being ELECTED, serving on the financial commission as well as the zoning commission. I know how things get done, who turns the screws to whom and how hard. I know how easy it is for people like you, with NO WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF VERY MUCH OF ANYTHING OUTSIDE YOUR OWN WORLD, to be easily influenced to create bad legislation on the lobbyists terms.

    Yes, the name of this site is Urban Conservative. I see not a "NO TRESPASSING!" sign here. If you think that you are entitled to make up your own facts and can live by separate rules - you are damn wrong- and I will tell you this endlessly. Why you insist upon representing yourself as the stereotypical red neck with cowboy diplomacy, the dimwit of the backwoods, and the bible-thumper hypocrite is more than even I can fathom.
  • Jackie M
    toe--making jokes about the issues obama has caused is immature and definitely not funny. im sure the folks that cant feed their families but trusted obama to act on his promise to fix this economy do not think you are funny either. making assumptions about who I am is just ignorant. your kind always resort to these tactics when you cant find anything else. you have already used the race card with no factual information to back your accusation up! but that is just the typical behavior of a damn liberal. the joke is on you and your buddies--it doesnt work! besides that, it is low class behavior!

    the facts are in the Bible but I am not going to do the research for you. i can think of several of them without even blinking! he has less and less supporters every day and it is understandable. listening to the democrats fight is just amazing! some of them have turned against him also. it was only a matter of time. the ignorant followed him because he spoke well and his rhetoric promised everything to everyone. the promises he made were laughable because he cant keep all of them and i predicted this. he has, however, ensured that competition in the private sector has become less thanks to his paybacks to the unions. we also saw the equality stance fall to the wayside when he excluded some of the unions from paying more in taxes on their big healthcare plans as part of a backroom deal. so now your party doesnt want equality for all and shouldnt just pick out certain groups. you condone this corruption! do you like the fact that he told the
    American people that his administration would be transparent and then turned around and made deals with special interests? he is no better than any of the so-called greedy wallstreet folks that will do anything to further their cause whether it be for money or power. obama decided to break the easiest ones early (lobbyists in his staff, not conducting business as usual, etc.).

    so your claims of understanding economics is a lie due to your stance on capitalism and other issues, for example, supply and demand--there arent enough doctors and others to support the influx of folks that may come into the system. as a matter of fact, we are already short 150k doctors according to obama. you know we must believe your messiah because he always tells the truth! LOL! but hey, we all know there is a shortage so lets use his numbers. now that is just the simplest of concepts that you ignore all in the name of "helping people" when in fact you are hurting people and causing rationing of healthcare on day one!

    if you read any educational material, you are only picking and choosing what you want to understand. the proof is here! liberals do this so im not surprised. i laugh at your simple mind and your stupidity in saying i dont know what a p&l; statement is. i wont discuss my personal business but i will say that my knowledge and experience surpassed p&l; statements many, many years ago. who doesnt know how to do this? LOL! keep on talking!

    if you are telling the truth (it is easily questioned since you condone obamas lying), in your experience you didnt learn much about the necessity to cut costs. you apparently dont understand that making the tough decisions to freeze pay and pork projects, cut programs and ensure fraud is eliminated is not an option during times like these. obama is all talk! welfare and entitlement programs do not need to continue because we are broke. what part of being broke dont you idiots understand? regardless of what party you are in, no one needs to spend a damn dime on programs that are not absolutely necessary. among many other things, this means that able-bodied people will have to get jobs and can no longer scream they dont make enough money to support the many kids they have by different baby daddies! that is your real pro-choice situation. they chose that situation and the taxpayers chose not to fund it. of course, you will disagree since you dont understand that we have to cut spending everywhere and we are broke. you think we should continue to "charge" these unnecessary programs all in the name of "helping" people even though it is not really helping them but it is perpetuating the problem of the entitlement mentality.

    you also should understand the role of the leader of our country and how the current one is leading us into bankruptcy with our credit rating now in question. it would be easy for obama to get this economy on track again but he refuses because it doesnt fit his agenda. i outlined the steps necessary in posts months ago. they are simple economic concepts that are necessary to ensure businesses start hiring again. in case you are wondering, these are in the books and have been proven to work time and time again. however, they must work in conjunction with each other!

    obama would rather work on healthcare instead of jobs. obviously, he isnt capable of doing both at the same time and the American people have said time and time again jobs are more important right now, especially since he has a job! it is the "i have mine and i dont care about you" mentality that is so typical of the damn selfish liberals/democrats!

    you bitch and complain about me but you have a choice to not post on this conservative site and you have the choice not to read my comments. no one is listening to the liberals. people are finally seeing what obama is all about. his arrogance and performance has caught up with him and it is about time. your own party is fighting! you need to deal with them before you blame the republicans since the damn liberals/democrats are the obstructionists on this corrupt failed healthcare bill. it is doomed before it is passed due to this main issue i discussed previously. keep up your stupidity. people have quickly learned that your agenda isnt working!
  • toe
    once again, Jackie- you are just noise- all show and no go.
    you make statements that you cannot back up with facts.
    I specifically asked you where in your bible it speaks of Obama ? You, when asked point blank: "Where?" you sidestepped this with more noise but no proof.
    When you suggested that I am void of economic theory and should "pick up an economic [sic] book"- I asked you upon whose words you place your trust? On what theory? Which book can you produce as the be all and end all final word on economics - again, you are unable to produce a single book, author, or theory. I have read all of those that I mentioned and more- you? nada. Just noise. Always just noise- bitch and moan with no actual experience or working knowledge of much of anything other than how to find Glenn Beck on your television.
    Your statements that I was "making jokes"- just where did I do this? The fact that you are factless is no joke. Its a damn shame and you are directly the cause of this state of affairs. The fact that you are woefully unable to do ANY independent research but rather would take the words of people whose words have been shown to be false- is alarming. Why do you praise your stupidity? Why do you claim as fact items that are known to be false?
    I really dont know the actual reason why you have constantly regurgitated anti-Obama lies- but since all of your statements have been debunked- its rather the only answer thats left: you are horrified that America - overwhelmingly elected a black man to lead this country.
    This colors (no pun intended) your views with respect to every single thing Obama says or does. Your support of the woefully uninformed Palin, your support of the mob mentality seen and directed by special interests whose sole intent is to maintain the status quo on health care reform, your support of the lobbyists who work daily against you to the tune of over a million dollars a day, your faith and belief and support of people like Michelle Bachmann, Virginia Foxx, Joe Wilson, Steven King, or the 110 other Republicans who have bad-mouthed the stimulus bill but could not get their butts home fast enough for photo ops, taking credit and praise for stimulus money that helped their state.
    Your support for Republicans who bitched and moaned that they "didnt have a seat at the table" for the health care reform...who claimed to have a bill of their own... who when given the opportunity to air their plan and inclusions they wanted addressed in a health care bill- their answer: "start over with a clean sheet of paper". they had absolutely NO answer when it was pointed out that every single of the items that they wanted addressed was IN the bill- in addition to well over 100 republican amendments THEY wanted- they still voted against it.
    Jackie- just noise. I will say one thing, republicans have been very transparent - and everyone has seen right through them for the obstructionists that they are.

    My "agenda"...?- just what is my "agenda"? You seem to believe that I have one ...more specifically, one that is out to get you and other pretend Americans like you. Obama is a supporter of the 2nd amendment yet you and your ignorant like-minded idiot fact-free friends insist that hes going to take away your gun.
    You have made claims to being a christian- yet you display nothing that would show this to be true. I was raised in a christian home. I have a strong working knowledge of christianity, the bible, as well as a strong working knowledge of religions of the world (there are more than one, Jackie- invest some time in reading) christianity is only one of many- with Islam now being the largest as well as the oldest.
    The fact remains that America is not a theocracy. We do not make laws based upon ANY religious belief . You are free to worship (or not) as you please.
    Jackie, your range of ignorance is alarming. Your constant babble with regards to your imagined superiority when it comes to economics has been shown to be just exactly what it is: noise. Like Palin, you cannot name a single thing that you read or understand. Not a single one.
  • John Rodeman
    While it would be nice to see him get it, I just dont think hes got a clear understanding on whats happening.
  • shane_b1968
    So you conservatives have been waiting a while for OBAMA to finally get it when it comes to the economy? Really? Poor babies. It must be hard for you to be so patient with him.

    On the other hand, weve been waiting for 80 years for you guys to wake the hell up and look at the data and quit following policies that fail OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!

    The bureau of labor keeps statistics on how many jobs are created every year. I bet you knuckle heads think that republican administrations have done better democrats at creating jobs dont you?

    Guess what? Like everything else...you guys are wrong about that too. Tax cuts actually dont creat jobs...ever. Dont believe me? Check the numbers for yourself.

    Job creation statistics in order...highest annual % increase to lowest
    (notice that the top 9 were democrats and the bottom 8 were republicans)

    U.S. president created (in millions) Average annual % increase

    Franklin Roosevelt1 +5.5 +5.3%
    Franklin Roosevelt3 +7.4 +5.2%
    Lyndon Johnson +9.9 +3.9%
    Jimmy Carter +10.3 +3.1%
    Harry Truman +5.5 +3.0%
    Franklin Roosevelt2 +3.3 +2.6%
    Bill Clinton1 +11.5 +2.6%
    Kennedy/Johnson +5.9 +2.6%
    Bill Clinton2 +11.2 +2.3%
    Ronald Reagan2 +10.8 +2.2%
    Richard Nixon +6.2 +2.2%
    Roosevelt/Truman +2.8 +1.8%
    Nixon/Ford +5.1 +1.7%
    Ronald Reagan1 +5.3 +1.5%
    Dwight Eisenhower1 +2.7 +1.4%
    George H. W. Bush +2.6 +0.6%
    Dwight Eisenhower2 +0.8 +0.4%
    George W. Bush2 +1.9 +0.3%
    George W. Bush1 +0.01 +0.002%
    Herbert Hoover -6.4 -9.0%

    And they did that that without any of the record increases in the deficit the the republicans had. How did they do that? Pretty simple. Liberal policies work. Liberal policies create broad based prosperity. Conservative policies create stagnant economies with little wage growth and prosperity for only a very few "worthy" "achievers". Its not an accident. Conservative policies create exactly what they were MEANT to create. The preservation of privilege for a few and a more pliable, subservient, desperate labor market.
  • loudva2
    Its funny how not a single conservative replied to these FACTS. I guess conservatives just arent that familiar with facts!
  • shane_b1968
    Conservatives are metaphysical thinkers. They decide whats in their self interests to believe and they set out to make an argument for why it should be so. They dont mind facts. At least not all facts. Just the ones that dont support their view of reality. You can tell a conservative all day long that it actually cost less to shelter people than have them wind up in emergency rooms, to educate people rather than imprison them, to make preventive medicine absolutely free for everyone so that you dont wind up paying disability for life at taxpayer expense for the few unfortunate people who wind up seriously, permanently ill from lack of medical care...they dont care. They dont want hear it.

    Because short term they personally will be better off with lower taxes even though our kids will be saddled with hundreds of billions in devastation because levees werent maintained and entire generations grow up completely ignorant and incapable of thinking past a 15 second soundbite on fox news or in prison.
  • Jackie M
    Liberals/democrats are the most selfish idiots in this country! They want to provide welfare for everyone regardless of the cost or if the people receiving it are actually in need. However, they refuse to follow their own principals of equality unless it suits them.

    Lower taxes will not work unless the damn liberals/democrats finally wake up and realize that cutting spending is neccessary. They think spending money on entitlements is ok even though we are broke and future generations will pay the price. the selfish nature of these idiots is just ridiculous! as a matter of fact, they love to ensure people are more dependent than independent. they are also part of the reason people who should be in prison are let out and continue to hurt the innocent while saying the criminals have rights even though they are taking the rights of others. this is why under age criminals are allowed in schools and parents are not held responsible for their own children. this causes taxpayers to watch their money go down the drain. about half of the country doesnt pay taxes now and the fools want the other to pay for everything! that is discrimination! shane, i suggest you stop spewing garbage because you wont win any arguments!
  • shane_b1968
    Heres how I win arguments:

    The bureau of labor keeps statistics on how many jobs are created every year. I bet you think that republican administrations have done better democrats at creating jobs dont you?

    Job creation statistics in order...highest annual % increase to lowest
    (notice that the top 9 were democrats and the bottom 8 were republicans)

    U.S. president created (in millions) Average annual % increase

    Franklin Roosevelt1 +5.5 +5.3%
    Franklin Roosevelt3 +7.4 +5.2%
    Lyndon Johnson +9.9 +3.9%
    Jimmy Carter +10.3 +3.1%
    Harry Truman +5.5 +3.0%
    Franklin Roosevelt2 +3.3 +2.6%
    Bill Clinton1 +11.5 +2.6%
    Kennedy/Johnson +5.9 +2.6%
    Bill Clinton2 +11.2 +2.3%
    Ronald Reagan2 +10.8 +2.2%
    Richard Nixon +6.2 +2.2%
    Roosevelt/Truman +2.8 +1.8%
    Nixon/Ford +5.1 +1.7%
    Ronald Reagan1 +5.3 +1.5%
    Dwight Eisenhower1 +2.7 +1.4%
    George H. W. Bush +2.6 +0.6%
    Dwight Eisenhower2 +0.8 +0.4%
    George W. Bush2 +1.9 +0.3%
    George W. Bush1 +0.01 +0.002%
    Herbert Hoover -6.4 -9.0%

    GAME OVER. YOU LOSE.

    But then you dont give a damn about whats better for society in general, what creates a vibrant economy, what lowers the amount of misery, deprivation and death around you. You care whats better for you personally and youre so misguided that you dont even realize you are part of the society that does better under liberal policies. Your greed has damaged your soul to the point where everything beautiful in the world is tainted with the putrid stench of death that you and your ilk bring to the powerless who you steamroll to death with your minimum wages and profits and callousness. You deserve to rot and fester in a big pile of money dripping with cancerous pustules as you decay in agony lamenting that you put your three percent Bush (deficit funded) tax cut before the misery and death of tens of thousands of people.
  • Jackie M
    shane--heres how i win arguments, asshole!

    you idiots want to live in the past regardless of the FACT that people are suffering due to obamas failed policies along with a recession. how are those statistics resolving the problems we have today? LOL! they are useless just like everything else you say. millions of jobs have been lost under this administration. obama campaigned on being able to fix this but has failed. as a matter of fact, he also said that if this "failed" stimulus was passed, unemployment would go no higher than a little over 8%. now according to the idiot obamas words, he has failed. since the American peoples first priority is jobs, he is losing and has lied once again!

    GAME OVER, YOU LOSE! how immature you are to try to skirt around the current situation by bringing up statistics that are irrelevant at this point. you are so stupid to criticize the very system under which your parents were able to feed you. if you are in a job, you can thank the company that you work for and the profits they were able to make to be able to hire you. if you have your own business, you are criticizing the very system that allowed this to happen in the first place. LOL! your kind are determined to continue to take from the "rich" and this will drive up prices and keep people out of work! you fools are hypocrits! so let me get this straight--a company who has very low profits and cant afford to pay people more should do ........................... what? you would rather them to lay their employees off? how much would that accomplish? LOL! a company who is just starting out and struggling should pay folks a lot of money to do low skilled labor? your ignorance comes out once again in that you dont understand what freedom means! freedom means people dont have to work for companies in which they feel dont pay a fair wage. competition will drive up wages successfully. this has been proven time and time again and has worked extremely well. i can give you examples if you are stupid enough not to understand. well, of course, we are talking about average folks who can think for themselves. they always have a choice to start a business of their own and become independent. you dont like that option, do you? i guess you think only the rich can start a business? LOL! that is not true and most small business people start from nothing and deserve every dime they earn. freedom is not something you fools understand!

    prove your point about people dying once and for all! where is this happening and how will it happen? since everyone has to be treated at a hospital already, what are the facts here? by the way your claim would hold up if you are talking about obamas heathcare plan due to the automatic rationing because of the shortage of doctors and healthcare professionals. however, you fools have ensured the elite will continue to get the best of care by paying cash to a private doctor. i guess you like the fact that prices of everything we buy will go up as the result of the proposed VAT tax and the middleclass and poor will suffer as a result. in addition, more jobs will be lost along with the jobs that will already be lost by the states due to the extra burdens placed on them due to healthcare costs. i guess you dont understand the meaning of broke? when these costs hit, more teachers, firemen, city workers will be laid off. where will the revenues come from to pay for these extra costs when people in the private sector arent working and cant produce the income to keep up the local and state governments as well as the fed? you cant take so much from the "rich" who will have to continue to lay off folks as a result! you are not doing so well in your arguments but that is expected from an obvious idiot! you are just one in many liberals who argue the same old tired points and refuse to get educated on the facts of plain ole business!
  • Jackie M
    shane--heres a novel idea--tell idiot obama to cut spending for real this time! maybe he also needs to take a pay cut to set the example! he could sell his expensive Chicago mansion and that would help a lot of people. why dont you blame the right "rich" people, which are the people in the WH? take more money from them. they can afford it! LOL!
  • toe
    you are right- Jackie- the peoples interests are being ignored- however, once again, you have your finger pointing going in the wrong direction. if you would get out more you would learn that your party and your Neanderthal "leaders" have NOT listened to what the American people want- more than this, they state exactly the opposite of what is true in this regard...for example..Canter and McConnell stated that they will oppose any health care reform now suggested because thats what the majority of the American people want them to do. It happens to be the actual opposite of the truth. The same is true with the public option- overwhelmingly popular with the American people- yet they continue to mouth the opposite- as do you.
    If you were so damn worried about this governments financial woes, as you claim Jackie- you would not be supporting the do-nothing approach of the GOP, you would not be supporting the stupidity of 7 GOP senators who backed - SPONSORED a bill to create an independent commission to address the debt then voted against it when they learned Obama was in favor of the bill. Asinine and needless gridlock not to mention wasted money and time by your heros.

    There is overwhelming agreement that the stimulus bill saved jobs and created jobs. Ask any Governor. Ask any school principal. Ask police, fire, EMT personnel who would have been out of a job without this. Ask you own feeble representatives who begged for money even as they disavowed any interest in this, voted against it, and stood before the cameras every chance they got to talk stink about the bill. Why not just google your own damn hypocritical representatives and view them as they could not get to the photo ops fast enough to take credit for stimulus money for YOUR OWN DAMN STATE. Money they claimed they neither wanted nor needed. Its a matter of public record. Get off your ass and learn something instead of repeating known lies.

    I honestly dont know what your REAL problem is. Your hate drives you to absurd statements - fully lacking in truth.
    Your kindergarten responses, coming from a child- these would be understandable coming from you - an admitted adult- are irresponsible and downright ignorant.
    By the way, since you are so utterly opposed to reaping in benefit from anything Obama has done- I believe that you should return the $800 yearly savings you now receive because of the payroll tax cut done by this administration on YOUR behalf.
  • JackieM
    toe--the $13/week tax cut along with the higher taxes and fees obama wants to throw at the middleclass is NOT equivalent to a tax cut. since the states are struggling because of the lack of leadership and good policies by this administration, state and local taxes are going up as a result, so the middleclass is at a deficit. again you are assuming i fit into a certain category, which is an ignorant assumption as usual.

    my real problem is people like you who refuse to acknowledge that the republicans HAVE proposed real changes and have them documented for all to see. however, they would rather do nothing than to have a corrupt, higher cost bill go through but you idiots dont have a problem with rationed healthcare. by the way, where are the additional healthcare professionals necessary on day one? you fools havent even addressed that. obama acknowledged in an interveiw that he knew we were already short 150,000 doctors before any new plan was implemented. so people like you are really ignorant and dont want to fix our healthcare problems. you would rather get in bed with the pharaceutical and insurance companies like your party and has and screw the American people.

    There is no proof of jobs but there is speculation by you and your party. states who were claiming they were going to lay off teachers and the state employees received money. big deal! there was a state that gave some employees raises on the taxpayer dime! the money was wasted! since obamas economic plan did not help the private sector, it is a failure. no new tax revenues will be created as a result. therefore, the money will have to continue to be given to the states to waste or they will continue to threaten to lay off people. it is a nasty cycle that your messiah has created. once again we see he is not qualified to run this country!

    my real problem is that you idiots elected a feeble, incompetent, unqualified idiot to run this country. it is more evident everyday!

    if you dont like my responses, dont address them! it is free country!
  • toe
    certainly you cannot be so stupid as to believe any pay received by government employees- whether state or federal- is spent entirely within the confines of the government! do you think these personnel just took their paychecks and stuffed it under a rock? i mean, seriously, woman, use you head instead of your mouth. try to work your brain to go way, way back- to last year. try to remember what the state of the country was in. google it if you cannot manage this on your own. you seem to believe that Obama created the huge unemployment numbers seen here in January, February, March of last year. use your damn head, woman.
    NONE of Obamas policys or programs were even in effect at this time. NONE. the stimulus was designed to go out in stages to avoid inflation and temp. bubbles. you, the great fiscal brainiac wizard witch should already know this- and if you dont- you are a fraud.
    I know that if offends you to have someone smarter than you are in the oval office.
    It seems to offend you even more that he is black and that you will go to any measure- no matter how absurd or crackpot an idea- in your feeble efforts to bad mouth Obama.
    Frankly, I dont really care about people that are proud of their bigotry and ignorance.
    You deliberately stay clear from hearing anything that would disabuse you from your prejudices. What a sorry ass American you are.
    They really grow them stupid in North Carolina- then they elect them to office. Did you go read about your state rep. and sen. yet? Public information- any fool can find it- even you.
  • toe
    Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mark Sanford, Charlie Crist, just a few republicans that have stated openly that the stimulus worked.
    Sen. Mike Johanns, Nebraska Republican: "The proposed project would create 38 new jobs and bring broadband to eight hospitals, five colleges, 16 libraries and 161 K-12 schools" Sen. Lamar Alexander, Tennessee Republican: "It is anticipated that the project. will create over 200 jobs in the first year.

    Sen. Christopher S. Bond regularly railed against President Obamas economic stimulus plan as irresponsible spending that would drive up the national debt. But behind the scenes, the Missouri Republican quietly sought more than $50 million from a federal agency for two projects in his state.

    ...

    In a letter to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, Mr. Bond noted that one project applying to the USDA for stimulus money would "create jobs and ultimately spur economic opportunities."

    Rep. Joe Wilson, South Carolina Republican who became famous after yelling, "You lie," during Mr. Obamas addresses to Congress in September, voted against the stimulus. Nonetheless, Mr. Wilson elbowed his way into the rush for federal stimulus cash in a letter he sent to Mr. Vilsack on behalf of a foundation seeking funding. "We know their endeavor will provide jobs and investment in one of the poorer sections of the Congressional District," he wrote to Mr. Vilsack in the Aug. 26, 2009, letter.

    On Feb. 13, 2009, Sen. Robert F. Bennett, Utah Republican, issued a statement criticizing the stimulus — but two days earlier, he privately forwarded to Mr. Vilsack a list of projects seeking stimulus money. "I believe the addition of federal funds to these projects would maximize the stimulative effect of these projects on the local economy," he wrote.

    Rep. John Linder, Georgia Republican: "the employment opportunities created by this program would be quickly utilized"

    I know its a lot to ask of someone who already has all of the answers she wants to hear, Jackie- but you can find this information if you really wanted to know the truth- but your lack of intellectual curiosity and lack of interest for the truth is alarming.

    Kudos to the Washington Times for having done the leg work of filing the FOIA requests to expose these examples of Republican lawmakers talking out of both sides of their mouths, publicly lambasting the stimulus as a job-killing measure, but privately conceding that it actually created jobs. Its hard to imagine a more effective way of demonstrating Republican hypocrisy on the question of whether the stimulus bill creates jobs.

    You should be reminded of this every single day, Jackie.
    You are just plain wrong.

    Do your homework.
    .
  • JackieM
    toe--as usual, you are full of bullshit!

    CA is a state that is in trouble because of its out-of-control spending. it refuses to spend within its means and continues to waste money. therefore, they will cut jobs unnecessarily to fund their big spending habits. if someone gives them money, the waste will continue. Every state can claim jobs were saved but there is no proof people would have been laid off otherwise. As a matter of fact, the more money given to the states, the less likely they will ever make the tough decisions and tighten their belts and stop their wasteful money of hard-earned taxpayer money! To a bigger point, who gives a damn about government employees when the small businesses are the ones who employee most of the people in the US and they are drivers of tax revenues. therefore, any government job that they claim was saved/created is meaningless because they are not sustainable anyway. the reason we need a real stimulus is to get the private sector working again. they are the taxpayers that give new money to the government. anything else is a waste of time and money and is irrelevant to getting this economy to thrive again! Why dont you let all of the unemployed folks in this country know that some of the money is going to help librarians keep their jobs. They will not understand this type of mentality when they cant feed their families due to obamas failed economic policy since small businesses are closing their doors. by the way, this country needs jobs now and that idiot obama promised that his bill would create them. in addition, he also promised the unemployment rate would not go above 8.3%. so you and your party can continue to spout garbage all you want but it is nonsense!

    Your lack of common sense is astounding! A simple economics class would also help if you cant figure this out on your own. Remember you are the fool on this site that blamed the Republicans for blocking a bad healthcare bill. LOL! We know which party couldnt pass the healthcare bill and why.

    There is hypocrisy in both parties. So what else is new? There are many people who claim to be republicans but are not including the governor of CA. Can you come up with something I didnt know? However, heres one recent one for you. michelle obama was being intereviewed by Mike Huckabee. She said that there needs to be incentives for grocery stores to open and stay in the "food deserts." This was after Mike Huckabee asked her if the free market principles would apply in this case. Lets see--we can apply this scenario with obamas failed agenda. He wont provide incentives for businesses to stay in this country during a time when the economy is slow but his wife is watching in her words a "good example" in philadelphia. However, he does want to impose more taxes/feess on them to ensure they continue to struggle, close their doors, leave this country and lay of people! Now keep up your quotes and other garbage. It wont work. Your liberal mindset is just what this country doesnt need. obama is proof of that and his polls show the people are not liking what they voted for. They think this country is headed in the wrong direction and obama is in charge and has created the agenda! LOL!
  • JackieM
    toe--by the way, your "defense" is boring and getting old. all liberals say the same things and have been proven wrong time and time again. as a matter fact, i posted a lot before the election about what would happen if obama was elected and tried to implement his policies. i was right and will continue to be right. the outcome of his failed policies was very predictable and many people including me stated this on this site. keep up your rhetoric. it has no merit. if you want proof of my posts read an economics book!
  • toe
    why? are the words too big for you ?
    you have already shown that you are a failure, your party is a failure at economics, and foreign policy, AND 70 years behind in social issues of the day. You keep right on bitching and moaning, Jackie. You are just like your fellow rethuglicans- no plan in sight. No ideas, no plan, nothing but no.
  • JackieM
    toe--as my wise father has always said, "never argue with a liberal. they are idiots!" he is successful in every area of his life and is extremely intelligent and that is obvious! plain economics evade you. again, i suggest you take a course and if you understand it, you will eat your words! democrats are failures in everything they have done so far in this administration. if you want to discuss social issues, i will say that we are not behind on them. we just dont think the "anything goes" mentality is the right thing to teach our children. i cant help that my morals and values are obviously higher than yours. you have been caught in lies on this site and refuse to acknowlege or apologize for your ignorance. you guys wouldnt mind passing laws giving rights to humans to choose to marry donkeys so you will lose this argument every single time! you are a fool and keep evading the issues i have mentioned and stray to less important matters. i would rather concentrate on providing jobs for folks who cant find them to help them feed their families. you idiots choose to concentrate on other paths that are directed at solving the main problems in our country. you are a lying, selfish, judgemental fool who is a typical liberal who likes to throw anything and everything at a republican to attempt to avoid facts. lying about republicans having no ideas or plan proves your havent been listening or perhaps ignoring cspan and not doing your research. even the lowest of the low democrats/liberals are not dumb enough to buy into this one. however, those that have no integrity will lie to further their own agenda instead of doing what is right for this country. in case you have forgotten President Bush asked the congress and senate to work on giving fannie mae and freddie mac less power and your idiot friend frank said in a hearing that they were not broken and didnt need fixing. so before you blame others, look at your own party. you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting obama but you are too stupid to know that as we can see! your arguments are too easy to prove wrong and it is getting boring. you dont have a leg to stand on when your idiot messiah is responsible for our credit rating being in jeopardy! oh but who cares about that right? this didnt happen under Bush or as a result of his policies so stop it with the blame game and start taking responsibility for the policies and people that you support! by the way, where are the jobs that were promised?
  • toe
    you are right- Jackie- the peoples interests are being ignored- however, once again, you have your finger pointing going in the wrong direction. if you would get out more you would learn that your party and your Neanderthal "leaders" have NOT listened to what the American people want- more than this, they state exactly the opposite of what is true in this regard...for example..Canter and McConnell stated that they will oppose any health care reform now suggested because thats what the majority of the American people want them to do. It happens to be the actual opposite of the truth. The same is true with the public option- overwhelmingly popular with the American people- yet they continue to mouth the opposite- as do you.
    If you were so damn worried about this governments financial woes, as you claim Jackie- you would not be supporting the do-nothing approach of the GOP, you would not be supporting the stupidity of 7 GOP senators who backed - SPONSORED a bill to create an independent commission to address the debt then voted against it when they learned Obama was in favor of the bill. Asinine and needless gridlock not to mention wasted money and time by your heros.

    There is overwhelming agreement that the stimulus bill saved jobs and created jobs. Ask any Governor. Ask any school principal. Ask police, fire, EMT personnel who would have been out of a job without this. Ask you own feeble representatives who begged for money even as they disavowed any interest in this, voted against it, and stood before the cameras every chance they got to talk stink about the bill. Why not just google your own damn hypocritical representatives and view them as they could not get to the photo ops fast enough to take credit for stimulus money for YOUR OWN DAMN STATE. Money they claimed they neither wanted nor needed. Its a matter of public record. Get off your ass and learn something instead of repeating known lies.

    I honestly dont know what your REAL problem is. Your hate drives you to absurd statements - fully lacking in truth.
    Your kindergarten responses, coming from a child- these would be understandable coming from you - an admitted adult- are irresponsible and downright ignorant.
    By the way, since you are so utterly opposed to reaping in benefit from anything Obama has done- I believe that you should return the $800 yearly savings you now receive because of the payroll tax cut done by this administration on YOUR behalf.
  • giovannibadami
    1 percent of this country controls 42 percent of the wealth - whats wrong with spreading it around? Really - why shouldnt we take money from those who have three hundred times the national average, and give it to the hardworking majorities who struggle on less than 50k a year?

    Giovanni
    http://www.maoistsforchrist.blogspot.com/
  • JackieM
    Giovanni--because it is not yours to take. they earned it and you didnt! that is called stealing! the folks that I know who are successful worked their asses off for years and poured every dime they had into the business while working 16 to 18 hours a day 7 days a week. even now even though their businesses are successful, they work like that. they give up so much of their life for their company. as a matter of fact, i know a successful businessman who cant find employees that he can trust to run his business so he never takes a vacation. he is almost 65 years old and works all of the time to ensure his business stays proftitable. because of the economy his business is not as good as it was two years ago so he struggles to ensure he doesnt have to lay off anyone. He cares about his employees! so you are an idiot but all liberals/democrats are! by the way, all of the business owners that I know are not going to hire people regardless of how great their business is going because they are scared of the taxes that are coming their way thanks to idiot obama. obama has stifled job growth and will continue to do so. however, only the stupid dont understand this! your foolish ideas will run businesses out of this country more so than we see now! remember the rich have choices and the poor do not. the rich can choose to leave this country and they are the ones who employ people. so stop being stupid and believing anything this administration says. they have no business experience and obama is not qualified to run this country but we knew this, didnt we?
  • giovannibadami
    Dear Jackie M,
    youve decided to be rude. All well and good.
    I wont reply in kind, but simply say this: the whole point of your life and mine is to make the richest 3 percent of this country richer. Thats why we exist. You get up in the morning, you go to work, as a tiny cog in a machine whose workings you really dont seem to be able to grasp. The rich love you, Jackie, because you have a touching, almost childlike faith in their goodness. You really think its all about hard work? !
    Please, go ahead and be rude to me again. Your fluency in the English language, the eloquence of your prose, shows your IQ is clearly triple mine. I invite you.
    Giovanni
    http://www.maoistsforchrist.blogspot.com/
  • JackieM
    giovanni--i am not being rude but am being truthful. it is obvious you think like obama and support his ideas. as the world has seen, obamas agenda is failing and there are simple reasons for that. i have predicted this from the very beginning during his campaign unfortunately and it is documented through the various blogs on this site. you are foolish and apparently dont really understand how our great country was built. it was built by people working hard and finding their own way. success was for those who worked harder than others! they were able to survive because of their innovative spirit. barring inherited wealth, everyone with average intelligence has the opportunity to start his/her own business. as ive always said, if a lot of other folks are able to perform a task, i will head in another direction. people cant make money that way. i know someone who started out selling from a stand on the side of the street with only a few hundred dollars worth of goods at a time. now he has a multimillion dollar business. so why would you want to steal from this person who worked and scraped until he was successful? instead of spending time with family, he and his wife were working seven days a week/16 hours a day as a lot of succesful folks do. they built their business and risked everything they had and made it. people who work for others dont have that risk! people choose their careers and it is easier than ever to get an education with no money. people choose to work for someone or work for themselves. IT IS A CHOICE! Someone doesnt have to be a police officer because it is a free country. If a person wants to make more, they are free to do so. success comes with a price and most people arent willing to pay the price but love to bitch and moan about how others have more than they do. people like you choose to ignore the words "personal reponsibility" and want to steal from others instead. you think Im rude just as all liberals do and I consider that a compliment. the truth hurts! as a friend of mine said she didnt want obama to give her health insurance. she just wants him to live up to his promises during his campaign of creating 3 million jobs (not losing more than created). he made a promise and did not hold to it. of course, we all know he lied when he promised that once the "stimulus" was passed unemployment would be no higher than 8.3%. this failure was easily predicted. she doesnt want a handout and only wants a job now and not in one or two years! by the way, i have done extremely well in my life living by the personal responsibility concept. i am living proof that it can be done! so keep supporting obamas agenda of creating more welfare and government dependence. as we know, he will fail and so will this country if we dont stop him!
  • JackieM
    giovanni--by the way, you and your kind have shamed this country by voting this SOB into office. so dont tell me about rude. being educated is more than having degrees! it includes having common sense and this cannot be learned through books! obviously idiot obamas supporters are lacking in this area! People who are able to use their education and common sense would never have voted for this fool! as a matter of fact, my 80-year old mother-in-law doesnt have a college degree but understood his agenda and predicted the outcome because she says, "doesnt everyone know these things?. what he wants to do will not help this country and people will not have jobs." I always laugh when she says this because it is true that it is obvious and only the stupid didnt see this coming!
  • giovannibadami
    Jackie,
    again, your email seemed to be full of anger and frustration. Nevertheless, Ill try to reply calmly and politely. I dont dislike you, I try to understand peoples viewpoints even when theyre radically different from mine. But some points...

    1) Im not American, so I didnt vote for Obama.
    2) Im not a liberal, my politics are much further left than that. For me a liberal is just a conservative with a guilty conscience.
    3) Personal responsibility I have no problem with - Ive worked for everything I had, my parents were working class. Ive never asked for anything. But my mother was a cleaner and my father a van driver - the only reason I have a PhD is because I went to school in a socialist country. A country where university education was free. Because, Jackie, education and health are not services. They are fundamental human rights.
    4) The healthcare thing.
    Jackie, do you realise how expensive US medicine is? It is, in some cases, 5 to 10 times dearer than anywhere else in the world. Please, Jackie, look at the facts - drug companies paying 1.5 mill dollars a day to advertise against the healthcare bill. The only companies that did well during the recession were healthcare companies. Its obscene - a whole pack of crooks making money out of illness. Thats practically Satanic.
    Forget the Republican/Democrat crap - i couldnt care less. But do look at the facts on your own - you dont even have to reply to me - but THINK.
    Giovanni
    http://www.maoistsforchrist.blogspot.com/
  • JackieM
    my posts to anyone who is a liberal will always be full of anger and frustration because they are the ones who support obama and why we are in the mess we are in.

    if you arent American, you have no right judging our system or anything about our way of life because you obviously dont have the strong ties to our history and how this country was built.

    the reason i have an MBA and have been successful is because i worked for both. as a single parent I worked to pay for my education and never thought about government handouts. it is against everything this country was founded on and i prefer to work for what i have.

    yes, i do realize how expensive healthcare is and NO ONE thinks we should just leave the problems alone. however, the democrats have catered to their lobbyists and special interest groups so the bills they have bribed people to support are not going to solve our problems. the republicans have the right plans that will lower costs and allow people more freedoms in choosing their insurance company. so I am thankful that obama failed on another agenda talking point because the bill he wanted to sign would not do anything to solve the real problems healthcare faces.
  • toe
    Its no secret that congressional republicans have absolutely no interest in seeing ANY health care/health insurance legislation except their YOYO plan- Youre On Your Own. They have voted down the anti-trust proposals on insurance reform, they oppose every aspect of reform that does not add to THEIR lobbyists bottom line, they claim their ultimate goal is to have Obama fail in getting ANY form of health care reform , for "failure" would be his "Waterloo"- it never ONCE occurs to a single one of them that a failure to address this urgent need is EVERYONES downfall. They are the ultimate say-noers on anything and everything - even their own amendments! Once they learn that a democrat or - heaven forbid!- the President- backs any piece of legislation- they are automatically against it- they dont even bother to read or understand the proposal- they just reject it out of hand. They complained that nobody let them have a seat at the table- total bullshit- but they continue to regurgitate this slop. Their ideas were costed out and failed the test. Period. The showdown in Baltimore allowed them to display their utter ignorance and continued use of FALSE information in front of the entire country. Time and time again Obama- (without the use of the dreaded teleprompter, Jackie) pointed out their lack of actual facts and figures regarding the budget- healthcare- and, most importantly, the hypocrisy of 111 congressional republicans who are on RECORD- both on film , photographs, and documented in letters - how these elected officials slammed the stimulus and Obama- at the same time ran home for photo shoots to take credit for obtaining funds (that they voted AGAINST) for their home projects- how they personally sent begging letters -requesting stimulus monies for their home states- the next day they were right back at bad-mouthing Obama for the stimulus bill.
    The reason people are angry with congress is very simple: they are unable to proceed - even with a simple motion to add a comma - without a filibuster by republicans. Gridlock - lies- and stupidity is all republicans offer. They should be spotlighted every single day for exactly what they are doing. Thank goodness this is now being done- even by the Wall Street Journal, Jackie. Read. Read. Read!
    Jackie continues to focus her anger on the wrong people. The health care problems did not happen overnight. (In fact, some right wing nutjobs have even gone so far as to say outright that Obama created this "imaginary" health care crisis out of thin air!)-the fact that republicans had 8 years to come up with something...ANYTHING- to address these concerns and did absolutely nothing.... (unless you wish to include an unfunded pharma bill that increased the debt and was a total disaster of a bill!).
    Jackie- you are lucky to have benefited from the many things government has done for you yet you deny having used them...
    public schools, public transportation, public library. national parks, interstate highways, police department, fire department, sidewalks, tree trimming, the list is HUGE. Jackie, you wish to reap the benefits daily while you insist upon bitching and moaning... not unlike your elected representatives.
    good grief, Jackie- shut the hell up.
  • JackieM
    toe-unlike you i understand my freedoms in this country. i can say what i want! so i wont shut up but you are a typical robot liberal who wants to squash peoples freedom of disagreeing with your corrupt party who has to bribe people to vote for their corrupt bill. keep you your stupidity and lies. they will no longer work and the American people have seen what this corrupt, chicago mob is about. you still have not given me proof of the jobs created but yet you continue your stupid rants, which include making up lies about what i deny and my thoughts. as we have seen with all of obamas bills, the peoples interests are ignored and paying off people to continue to support him is his goal. it is all politics and nothing more. since there are republican bills out there that do not require us going bankrupt but are responsible and actually bring down healthcare costs, you continue your trend of lying to support your messiah. the bills the democrats have proposed are costly and attempt to fool the American people, while being created behind closed doors. yes, the damn liberals/democrats are doing what they do best and I am thankful the republicans are doing their job and blocking this bad policy! by the way, clinton had a long time to come up with a good plan and failed so blame your own party. i laugh everytime you open your big fat mouth!
  • sgsimpson
    That money Ben Bernanke is throwing from the helicopter cost the Fed owners pennies but they expect the US taxpayer to refund face value. To be specific, the US National Debt is expected to reach $13 Trillion this year. Thats about $44,000 for every man, woman and child in the US.

    Almost six Trillion will be owed to the private Illuminati families who own the banks that own the Fed. For fiscal 2009, US taxpayers will cough up $380 Billion in interest, half of that to the Fed. By 2019, the cost of servicing the debt is expected to reach more than $700 Billion annually.

    As you all know, billions were paid to these banks during the "credit crunch" so that they may now reward their lackeys with humongous bonuses. But as Goldman Sachs CEO, Lloyd Blankfein said, they "are doing Gods work." Unfortunately, their God is Lucifer.


    GUARDING THEIR INDEPENDENCE

    Ben Shalom Bernanke has warned Congress not to interfere with the Feds "independence." In a veiled threat, he said it would "seriously impair the prospects for economic and financial stability in the United States."

    This is a reminder that the US is the Illuminatis bitch, and should not get any other ideas, such as abolishing the Fed altogether and with it, six Trillion dollars in debt which they created out of thin air.

    The American government is quite capable of accessing its own credit and creating its own currency.

    The Illuminati bankers must be pleased with their investment in Barack Obama. The Federal government spent $3.5 Trillion during his first year in office, far exceeding any other first-year President. Of that $1.4 Trillion is deficit, and half of that is owed to guess whom
  • The Boss
    Take a look at Obamas FY 2011 budget. The tax attack is on. He plans on raising rates not only on high income individuals but also on multinational corporations. Economic growth is going to be a real challenge.
  • theguyfromamericasheartland
    Then this guy will really piss your off.
    http://truthshallrule.blogspot.com/
  • toe
    Jackie- have some info: your state received 540 contracts, 4,445 grants, 30 loans, and $5.5 BILLION - but hey- dont let facts stand in the way of your foolish notions.

    http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/RecipientR...
  • JackieM
    toe--your stupidity and ignorance is shining brightly as usual. when in the hell are you liberals going to understand that there are Americans who dont want any pork regardless of the state it is going to. i happen to think it is laughable that one of our highways was repaved and had a signed posted that it was paid for by the "stimulus" money. now the road was not in need of paving in the first place. we drive that road multiple times daily and it was in perfect condition! LOL! this is just another stupid decision by obama and his idiot administration. this is change we can believe in--wasting money is their game and no oversight is the liberal/democrat way now! that idiot obama should ensure these things dont happen. biden said that obama put him in charge of ensuring there was no waste! LOL! keep up you idiotic remarks!
  • JackieM
    toe-- by the way you should be ashamed of your stupid "leader" because our unemployment rate is higher than the national one. we can see that the "stimulus" was a waste and hasnt stopped the bleeding as obama promised. but hey im sure your excuses for obama will satisfy all of the families who are suffering due to obamas lack of a real jobs plan!
  • toe
    please note how Jackie always turns the "conversation" back to finger pointing at Obama after she has been shown how absurd her comments are.
    Now she claims that she is against "pork" in any form by anyone- however she stands tall to support the GOP in Washington for their refusal to allow even DISCUSSIONS to move forward- specifically Shelby of Alabama who held up over 70 nominations because he was having his girlie hissy fit for projects he wanted for his state. Unless he got what he wanted- the up or down vote on needed appointments to high level positions would be held in limbo. That would be "pork", Jackie. You already stated how proud you were to have the GOP "standing tall" against anything and everything Obama supported. Jackie bitches and moans that nothing gets done in Washington- while her other face
    supports this solidly. You cannot defend your hypocrisy, Jackie.
    The congress is the legislative branch, Jackie. THEY create legislation. The president does not. You want to find the culprits for the current problems in Washington? Look in the mirror. After that, go read how a bill is created and becomes law.
    Again, you have no input, no ideas, nothing constructive- just the usual bitch and moan. No small wonder that you are proud to be a republican- they represent you well.
  • dannylmcdaniel
    President Obama has two problems in getting the economy right. First, he has an all-star cabinet full of incompentents; and second, he cant tolerate the spot light to be removed from himself. This is a man the lacks experience and suffers from political A.D.D (Attention Deficit Disorder). He becomes disordered when attention is paid to him. These problems are way over the heads of anyone in the Obama White House, especially dealing with the Chinese. At least Bill Clinton had people competent and knowledgable enough to grap the rains and a boss who knew when others were better suited to handle them. America has along three years to go.

    Danny L. McDaniel
    Lafayette, Indiana
  • JackieM
    dannylmcdaniel--you are right in your post! after all of this blaming others and failed policies, it is apparent that he is not qualified to lead this country. it is sickening that there are still people out there who support him!
  • toe
    how typical that you should agree with someone who makes a point of suggesting incompetence by typing things like "...to grap the rains"... and "has along three years..."

    Danny- you couldnt recognize a bug if it bit you on the butt... get a dictionary, man. They actually still make them you know.
    Jackie is not your best barometer in post praise- after all, she just sent her kudos to Danny ("right on in your post!") who mentioned how Clinton had "people competent and knowledgable" (sic)- while failing to recognize the many Clinton people presently in Obamas White House. That would include the Sec. of State.

    You know, you are utterly transparent in your stupidity and ignorance.
    Remember now, Jackie is a big supporter of Sarah- an individual she found "far more competent and experienced" than Obama. Sarah had more than proven this to be false in the run-up to the election - but for people who ignored this fact previously, Sarah has put herself out there (and I do mean "out there!") only to make statements rather daily to further display her ignorance. As a matter of fact, if you want to be more exact, the MOST recent poll- (yesterday) state that over 71% find her unqualified for the presidency.
    Republicans dont want to see her run in 2012. Personally, I would be just fine with it- there are so few really good comedy shows on TV presently.
  • pcbullbuster
    Obama will never get it on the economy. It is all rhetoric - just like his campain.

    View Scott Brown goes to Washintgon at www.cafepress.com/solrac

    www.pcbullbuster.com
  • Conservative Truth and Thought
    Well, the State of the Union is over and what have we seen ladies and gentlemen? We have seen more of the same from Barack Obama. "The spend machine returns to Congress" should have been the title of this State of the Union. He hardly said anything about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he says we must save money but then in the next breath says we have to spend some to create jobs, ( I am assuming he means create government jobs, because that is all the jobs that the government can create) and apparently he is blind to reality as it deals with campaign finance and the Supreme Court.

    And I am sure a progressive out there somewhere will say that the President has found $20 billion to cut out of the budget. I am sure that will make us all happy, I surely am! Come on, what could be better than saving $20 billion and spending trillions? Makes sense to me!!

    As for taxing the rich...GIVE ME A BREAK! I am not sure if you know anything about job creation or who spends money to keep this economy afloat and who does not, but when was the last time a guy making minimum wage hired 10 people to work for him? When was the last time someone making minimum wage, or even a little more, went out and bought a speed boat or something of equal value? Take the money away from those who spend it and what happens? There is no one there to spend! The fallacy here is that if we tax the rich so they can cover the debt, the little guy will have more money in his pocket to pick up on the spending that was before hand done by the rich. It just does not work that way.
  • JackieM
    Conservative Truth and Thought--love your post and you are exactly right! all of this is common sense and that is what is lacking from obamas supporters. those fools are continuing to support his obviously failing agenda while throwing daggers at the people who have real how long it solutions. they will go down with a sinking ship. obama is not and was not qualified to be the leader of this country! now the proof is there along with his excuses! i wondered how long it would take him to back himself into a corner and that happened around march or april of last year but the results came later. he now wants to help small businesses despite republicans screaming about this for over a year. the lies about the republicans not offering ideas and having solutions are old. i would love to see obama and his wife literally thrown out of the WH and would offer my services to help them pack!
  • JackieM
    toe--oh ill be watching obama for sure! I cant wait to hear the lies he will tell to attempt to get out of the hole he has made for himself! In the meantime, you could answer my questions in the previous post. The questions are based on just some of the promises he made. I happen to listen to the white trash news outlets such as ABC, CBS, MSNBC and CNN just to get different viewpoints. However, I cant take them for long due to their spin and obvious biased reporting. In keeping with the honesty theme here, why dont you tell your buddy obama to stop making up excuses on why he doesnt fulfill his promise of putting the healthcare debates on CSPAN? Oh yeah, that is right, you want to forget about that lie too!
  • JackieM
    Miguel is right--not! He is an example of the stupidity of the left! The rich hire people you moron! I guess jobs, which create tax revenues, arent important, huh? Quit talking about subjects you arent familar with! Look at obama and his associations, i.e., rich unions, pharmaceutical companies, banks, etc. obama has been bought many times over so before you discuss GWB, you need to speak in the present.
  • shane_b1968
    So you conservatives have been waiting a while for OBAMA to finally get it when it comes to the economy? Really? Poor babies. It must be hard for you to be so patient with him.

    On the other hand, weve been waiting for 80 years for you guys to wake the hell up and look at the data and quit following policies that fail OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!

    The bureau of labor keeps statistics on how many jobs are created every year. I bet you knuckle heads think that republican administrations have done better democrats at creating jobs dont you?

    Guess what? Like everything else...you guys are wrong about that too. Tax cuts actually dont creat jobs...ever. Dont believe me? Check the numbers for yourself.

    Job creation statistics in order...highest annual % increase to lowest
    (notice that the top 9 were democrats and the bottom 8 were republicans)

    U.S. president created (in millions) Average annual % increase

    Franklin Roosevelt1 +5.5 +5.3%
    Franklin Roosevelt3 +7.4 +5.2%
    Lyndon Johnson +9.9 +3.9%
    Jimmy Carter +10.3 +3.1%
    Harry Truman +5.5 +3.0%
    Franklin Roosevelt2 +3.3 +2.6%
    Bill Clinton1 +11.5 +2.6%
    Kennedy/Johnson +5.9 +2.6%
    Bill Clinton2 +11.2 +2.3%
    Ronald Reagan2 +10.8 +2.2%
    Richard Nixon +6.2 +2.2%
    Roosevelt/Truman +2.8 +1.8%
    Nixon/Ford +5.1 +1.7%
    Ronald Reagan1 +5.3 +1.5%
    Dwight Eisenhower1 +2.7 +1.4%
    George H. W. Bush +2.6 +0.6%
    Dwight Eisenhower2 +0.8 +0.4%
    George W. Bush2 +1.9 +0.3%
    George W. Bush1 +0.01 +0.002%
    Herbert Hoover -6.4 -9.0%

    And they did that that without any of the record increases in the deficit the the republicans had. How did they do that? Pretty simple. Liberal policies work. Liberal policies create broad based prosperity. Conservative policies create stagnant economies with little wage growth and prosperity for only a very few "worthy" "achievers". Its not an accident. Conservative policies create exactly what they were MEANT to create. The preservation of privilege for a few and a more pliable, subservient, desperate labor market.
  • aliy
    Hi jackie!!! Long time no be on here!!! Miguel is spouting the same stuff that came out of O-blah-blahs mouth back on the stump trail. I guess there havent been any new sound bites for them to regurgatate.

    I have a new one though: Since Obama took office and signed the mega, save our ass stimulus plan, bailed out the banks (yes, he did sign one of those too), and took over the auto industry, unemployment has gone UP OVER 11%. Yes, thats right OVER. Wasnt he signing a stimulus to make sure it didnt go over 8%?

    Hes talking about getting rid of the Bush tax cuts (which for those of you who cant do math, that means taxes are going UP), hes starting to inforce a fee on banks. Cuz the bank that took that bail outs just going to take that fee out of their bonus, I dont think so,they are going to start raising ATM fees, and checking fees, and pass that cost on to US, the people who provided the tax money in the first place to bail them out. Its like if I borrow $20 from you and then ask if I can borrow $20 from you again to pay you back!!!

    What Miguel is suggesting is like in that movie The Incredibles. The bad guy is trying to sell super powers and he says "when everyone is super, no one will be". He wants everyone to have super powers so no one can be special. However you should keep in mind, with the current administraiton, the only ones who will still travel in their jets with cadillac insurance plans, and not have to worry about footing the bill, are the elite (Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the ilk) Its going to be you and me that foot the bill for whatever they decide. Just look at the bills they write, they exempt themselves from EVERYTHING they are trying to do. Theres no personal responsibility in this administration. Its them telling US to do it all without bothering them in the process.
  • JackieM
    Hi Aliy, Im glad to see you back! I agree with you and would like to add that while obama and his idiot friends in Washington have done all you have listed, they have been cutting deals with many special interest groups! So much for change we can believe in! LOL! If you want to follow corporate corruption and mobsters, you need look no further than obama and his lovely group of creeps! Liberals/demcrats (I cant tell them apart any longer) dont kow what the words personal responsibility mean. They are for entitlements and expanding welfare. This is the dumbest bunch of morons I have ever seen! No one understands business up there but what should be expect from an unqualified fool!

    I am sick and tired of the lies they are spreading about not getting cooperation from Republicans. Idiot obama promised he would open his doors to anyone with ideas. The Republicans have attempted time after time to set up meetings with him and he refuses. It is just another nasty game the damn liberals/democrats pull. The rhetoric is now a joke and they look like fools everytime they open their mouths. I like the terms we used a while back for obama--misinformation minister, bagdad bob, etc. They fit perfectly.

    President Bush has shown so much class by not speaking out to defend himself as he promised to let obama have his time in office and keep silent. obama has shown his true colors by continually railing on Bush and is no better than the trash on the street and in the gutters. Despite the insults from obama, President Bush volunteered to help with the Haiti cause and stood there with clinton and obama. I may not have liked everything Bush did while he was in office but I can say he gets respect because he gives it and obama doesnt. Insulting Americans by apologizing on his overseas celebrity tours is UnAmerican. But hey, all of the things obama is going now will come back to bite him and the democrats!
  • toe
    Do yourself a favor, Jackie and Aliy- watch the State of the Union address tonight on CSPAN. No talking heads to help you understand what you are hearing with your own ears...just facts. See if you can handle it.
    I doubt it though.
    for the first time, FOX has elected to (finally) air a live address by Obama. let the spin begin from the cyclops view that permeates FOX ...will they tell you that OVER 70% of the nation does not blame Obama for the current state of the nation? nope. will FOX remind viewers of any accomplishments of this administration? nope. will FOX bring up the senatorial election in Mass. as evidence of peoples lack of faith in Obama? yup. Will FOX mention the actual polls from actual people who participated in the actual election that states that the people are FED UP with CONGRESS and their inability to get anything done? nope. You go ahead and fill your head with the spin that comes from the "fair and balanced" noise machine and keep ignoring everything that proves FOX to be THE most biased of ALL news outlets.
    Ratings do not equal excellence- consider Jersey Shore, the Apprentice, etc...
    but then again... white trash programming is your thing I guess. Enjoy.
  • Miguel
    The rich now own a greater percentage of the countrys wealth since 1928. Tax everyone making over 10 million dollars a year at 90 percent and lower the tax rate on those making less than 100 thousand a year to 5 percent. Those super rich pay lobbyists to make sure the laws are tilted in their favor whereas the average working American takes the taxes in the shorts.The bank bailout clearly shows how our politicians from GW Bush to Henry Paulson from Goldman Sachs own this goverment and gave the criminal bankers 14 trillion dollars in aid and very little to the working class. It is a straght up war on the working class with the mainstream media owned by ultraweallthy elites turning out propaganda nto make it look like they represent the average guy. So, first tax the rich! We can regain our country again!
  • Manny
    Certainly agree. Tax hikes are bad for anyone no matter how rich you are. However, if any tax hikes should take place on ANYONE it certainly should not be now in this economy. Not only do the dems just want to tax the rich for all their wasteful projects but it cannot be realistic. The middle class of America will be stuck with all the crap the dems put in place.
  • shane_b1968
    Really. Thats what you think. Democrats are only interested in "wasteful" programs? And you never stopped to ask yourself why a "wasteful" programs would be a goal for democrats? You guys parrot these talking points without even thinking. What if ALL of the social programs could be shown to be completely efficient and well managed. Would that make any difference for conservative objections to them. HELL NO!

    One thing weve learned about conservatives in government ids that efficiency and thrift is only for programs aimed at helping poor people...preferably so thrifty its non-existant.

    But if run a defense related company or youre asking for no-bid federal contracts as you hand in your huge contribution to the republican party then who the hell cares about efficiency. Not conservatives.
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