Time Mag: How to win the war on Global Warming
If this isn’t an example of liberal propaganda, I don’t know what is. For the second time in roughly 85 years or so, Time abandoned their traditional red border it uses on its magazine cover for a green one.
… and the occasion is – yes, you guessed it, to push more global warming awareness. Reminds me a little of April 3, 2023 cover, “Be Worried, Be Very Worried.”
The cover of the April 21 issue of Time took the famous Iwo Jima photograph by Joe Rosenthal of the Marines raising the American flag and replaced the flag with a tree. The cover story by Bryan Walsh calls green “the new red, white and blue.”
Personally, I think this is a slap in the face to the brave Marines that raised our flag on Mount Suribachi over 60 years ago. Global warming may or may not be a significant threat to the world we live in. It’s a debate that will probably last for a very long time. But one thing is for certain and cannot be up for debate. During WWII, the Japanese certainly was a threat not only to the U.S. but also to the world; and this photo trivializes the most honorable moment of one of the bloodiest battles in our nation’s history.
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LOL, I just saw this on FOX and randomly picked your blog to visit this morning, (so many to visit) and here it is again... Speaking as a vet and American this is indeed insulting,,,
when are we gonna get that National Punch a Libtard in the Face Day?
I wasn't offended as far as using the symbol of brave men fighting...love that pic. But if it was a war on disease, abuse, whatever....NOT global warming. It's such a joke.
Al Gore is not green...i guess he isn't worried as he says he is.
Go to:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/02/gore-mansion-20x-average-household.html
and check it on snopes, it's true:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
!Boy!, have I been misinformed I thought the "green" means that everybody loves the Irish. This is a long playing commercial, sure I want conservation
and we need to take care of our planet. To make it a Commercial enterprise
out of it, well I think something stinks.
i am worried when the state of N.C. is funding repairs to the infrastructure of coastal communities......due to coastal erosion. Coastal erosion due to: Higher storm tides.
Instead of sticking our heads in the sand, there is way too much at stake here; Do we ignore the problem or determine how high the tides may become?
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I just think this is offensive to use the Iwo Jima memorial this way.
Global warming is a dubious concept at best... and to take one of the most cherished images of American patriotism and make it a marketing gimmick - I find to be beyond the pale...
But what should I expect from a magazine that has honored, Hitler, Stalin, and the Ayatollah....
http://rightcommentary.com/2008/04/17/time-magazine-should-be-ashamed-of-itself/
Bryan
rightcommentary.com
"Personally, I think this is a slap in the face to the brave Marines that raised our flag on Mount Suribachi over 60 years ago. ... this photo trivializes the most honorable moment of one of the bloodiest battles in our nation’s history."
I can't top that, as a comment on the Time cover.
About global warming, I'm nowhere near as panic-stricken as I'm supposed to be.
That's partly because I know too much about what's happened during the last few tens of thousands of years. There's the most recent glacial period, that we're coming out of.
More recently, there was the catastrophic Medieval climatic optimum, that ended the Mayan civilization and helped the Vikings start their raids.
A little later, glaciation around the 1100s, "significant climate cooling" about 1400 to 1700 (the Little Ice Age was in this period), was followed by a warming trends. That Little Ice Age wasn't the coldest year for parts of Europe and North America. That was 1816, after the 1815 eruption of Indonesia's eruption of Mount Tambora.
The point is that climate changes.
Most people, at least those living poleward of the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, realize that Earth goes through changes each year: we call them Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Water. Judging from the excitement about "global warming," most aren't as aware of changes that happen of a scale of centuries and millennia.
There's an interesting summary of recent evens in "Detailed Chronology of Late
Holocene Climatic Change" ( http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/ice/lec19/holocene.htm ).
Hi Norski!
"this photo trivializes the most honorable moment ........"
perhaps climate change isn't exactly trivial.
davidwwalters,
Greetings.
Climate change certainly isn't trivial. It isn't all that long ago that parts of Scotland became virtually uninhabitable, due to a cooling trend.
The Mayan civilization may have perished as a result of droughts.
These are not trivial events.
The point I was trying to make was that climate change happens.
But, since the changes happen on a scale of decades and centuries, many or most people think that the world was always just as it is in their lifetime.
An organization that announced a "Press Conference on 'How to Prevent Winter' would risk embarrassment. Most people realize that winter happens.
On the other hand, when the United nations announced a "PRESS CONFERENCE ON ‘HOW TO PREVENT CLIMATE CHANGE’ " - they were taken very seriously. ( http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2008/080221_Climate_Change.doc.htm )
The simplest way I can put what I was trying to say is this:
Change Happens.
Live with it.
Great Scott!
I see that there's a typo in that last post of mine (Winter' would) should have read (Winter' "would).
Clearly, my logic is fatally flawed, my facts fallacious, and my mind a few bricks short of a full hod.
I withdraw.
MikeS......
"It detracts from the real objective, debunking the man-made climate change myth."
Conservatives would like to pride themselves on common sense thinking. If climate change is NOT man made as you wish to believe, we still face the same problem regardless of the cause. So, if humanity faces a threat, wouldn't it be prudent to take steps to remedy the situation?
Who cares, this is nothing more then another liberal propaganda piece. Out of almost any topic facing the world today, this one has to be the one most full of nothing more then lies, and falsehoods. Gore should be arrested for causing a public scare with his false documentary, or even better yet, trying to swindle the world with his carbon credits. Talk about creating a false market.
So what the climate is changing, better get use to it, as true real historical data shows the worlds climate changes, it is not a constant, and it has nothing to do with man. In fact inspite of man kind, mother earth does what she does, and part of that is keeping us on our toes. I think that it is laughable that these people truly thing 1 that we as humans have enough of an impact to change the climate, and now 2 that there is something else that we can do about. No the best think that we can do as humans is one respct mother nature, and yes this means trying to take a little bit better care of her, and two make sure that we are prepared for what ever weather she decided to through our way.
The only thing that this made up crises, and all of the other bullshit going on out their in this world is doing, is making the normal everyday Joe and Jane distrust anything that a politician, and a scientist has to say.
All you fing bleeding heart liberals, that have nothing better to do then make shit up to try and control the rest of us is...
Folks
I'd like to sing a song about the American Dream
About me
About you
About the way our American hearts beat way down in the bottoms of our chests
About that special feeling we get in the cockles of our hearts
Or maybe below the cockles
Maybe in the sub-cockle area
Maybe in the liver
Maybe in the kidneys
Maybe even in the colon
We don't know
I'm just a regular joe
With a regular job
I'm your average white
Suburbanite slob
I like football, and porno, and books about war
I've got an average house
With a nice hardwood floor
My wife, and my job
My kids, and my car
My feet on my table
And a Cuban cigar
But sometimes that just ain't enough
To keep a man like me interested
Oh no, no way, uh uhh
No, I gotta go out and have fun
At someone else's expense
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah
I drive really slow
In the ultra-fast lane
While people behind me are going insane
I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, such an asshole)
I use public toilets
And I piss on the seat
I walk around in the summer time sayin', "How about this heat?"
I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's the worlds biggest asshole)
Sometimes I park in the handicapped spaces
While handicapped people
Make handicapped faces
I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's a real f**king asshole)
Maybe I shouldn't be singin' this song
Ranting and raving and carrying on
Maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong...
...
NAAAHHHHH!
I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's the world's biggest asshole)
You know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadilac El Dorado Convertable
Hot pink!
With whale skin hub caps
An all leather cow interior
And big brown baby seal eyes for headlights
YEAH!
And I'm gonna drive around in that baby
At 115 miles per hour
Getting one mile per gallon
Sucking down Quarter Pounder cheeseburgers from McDonalds in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable Styrofoam containers
And when I'm done sucking down those grease-ball burgers
I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag
And then I'm gonna toss the Styrofoam containers right out the side
And there ain't a Goddamn thing anybody can do about it
You know why?
'Cause we got the bombs, that's why!
Two words: Nuclear F**kin' Weapons
Okay!?
Russia, Germany, Romania
They can have all the Democracy they want
They can have a big Democracy cake walk
Right through the middle of Tienemen Square
And it won't make a lick of difference
Because we got the bombs
Okay!?
John Wayne's not dead
He's frozen!
And as soon as we find a cure for cancer We're gonna thaw out "The Duke"
And he's gonna be pretty pissed off
You know why?
Have you ever taken a cold shower?
Well, multiply that by 15 million times
That's how pissed off "The Duke"'s gonna be
I'm gonna get "The Duke"
And John Cassavetes
And Lee Marvin
And Sam Peckinpah
And a case of whiskey
And drive down to Texas
And-
(Hey, Hey! You know you really are an asshole)
Why don't you just shut-up and sing the song, pal?
You know, the whole time I thought I was that asshole
And it turns out it was him
What an asshole!
I'm an asshole
(he's an asshole, what an asshole)
I'm an asshole
(he's the worlds biggest asshole)
A - SS - HO - LE!
Everybody!!
A - SS - HO - LE!
*dog barking noises*
I'm an asshole and proud of it!
Jarrod....
"So what the climate is changing, better get use to it, as true real historical data shows the worlds climate changes, it is not a constant, and it has nothing to do with man...."
If man does or does not have anything to do with, we still need to take prudent steps to mitigate the effects to humanity & the earth we inhabit. But what if we are entering a "warm cycle".....and what if increased CO2 does amplify this? Do we ignore it?
David, please listen,, and tell the rest of the "convinced"...
I say without any malice or sarcasm... that this warming trend is a theory, man made or not, there has been huge amounts of data stating we are currently not getting warmer... always has been a theory and always will, because climate is always changing so how are you ever going to come to a consensus?
No one on the right is endorsing destroying the earth, thats just false...
but when these eco-investors (Algore) claim a tax scheme and more government strangulation of capitalism is going to solve and reverse a weather trend is plain old stupid... c'mon and if you cannot see it for what it is, I ask you to look at the situation again with open eyes...
Socialist/Communist say: capitalism bad - enviro communism good
make any sense?
Buffoon....
Eyes wide open here! ".................more government strangulation of capitalism is going to solve and reverse a weather trend is plain old stupid..."
Good point, that government isn't going to reverse a weather trend........but the trend in higher sea levels is a fact observed in nature, and it translates into.......floods. And who ends up paying for the flood damage? The government, and ultimately you&i in higher taxes...........i guess i am, rather stupid!
I watched aWWII vet today being interviewed regarding that stupid, stupid, stupid, Time magazine cover, insulting every vet ever, and he made the best statement regarding the global warming cult
He said he's had two houses on the beach for 57 years and through cooling and warming they are both still there..... remember, this whole global "the sky is falling routine" is an old tired game....
"the sky is falling routine" is an old tired game...."
Buffoon, not according to Dr. Orrin Pilkey........he has just a bit of insight into this problem.
But don't take my word for it, read&study........
We shall see my friend
let's have a beer in the meantime
Dr. Orrin Pilkey davidwalters? You must be kidding. Talk to field scientists, not academic phonies feeding on the teat. Check the background of the group of paleontologists, their academic, and economic ties, that worked on the so called hockey stick method of checking the earth's temperature. read and study
Read the list of 450 + Climatologists that submitted a statement to congress challenging Al's fantasy. I think there's a distinct possibility that good professor is a democrat. read and study Check out what the Russian climatologists are saying, read and study. In conclusion davidwalters keep an eye on the sky that will soon uncover the lie. That would be the solar telescope launched by Japan in 06. I wish you and your fellow MMGW devotees the best, and remember, Al will join you on the mother ship.
DavidM
again........read and study. The sea level has been rising incrementally over the past 10,000 years. My point is, there is already a problem, particularly for coastal communities......Dr. Pilkey has pointed this out. The state of NC spends large sums of money for "beach re- nourishment"........prudence would dictate thinking about this seriously instead of attacking the messenger
.
The discussion seems to be taking its usual course.
On the one hand, facts.
On the other hand, what everyone knows.
on the one hand, we can stick to pre-conceived notions and hire "scientist" to tell us what we would like to hear. We can then say.........."there's no scientific consensus!"-and place the matter to rest. In the mean time, beach re nourishment projects, sea walls and other expensive public works projects.........paid for out of taxes go on. Sea levels are IN FACT rising.
i cannot say, if in fact that increased amounts of CO2 will exacerbate the rising sea levels.......if it's not--we still need to have to pay for these projects. if it is fact,
prudence dictates action.
DavidM
again........read and study. The sea level has been rising incrementally over the past 10,000 years. My point is, there is already a problem, particularly for coastal communities......Dr. Pilkey has pointed this out. The state of NC spends large sums of money for "beach re- nourishment"........prudence would dictate thinking about this seriously instead of attacking the messenger
davidwalters,
Do you even pay attention to what you are writting? OK lets give you and this sientist the benifet of the doubt. Lets say that this statment that he is saying is true, that the sea has been slowly rising over the past 10,000 years.
mmmm 10,000 years. Well I guess then there is only one solution, we need to start eradicating all life on earth since it is causing global warming, and the poor people living on the beach might have to move thier houses back in a few thousands years.
Your an idiot davidwalters. that is all I can say. Somethings we just don't have any control over. We can spend out lives worrying about it, or we can go on with our lives, and deal with the changes that mother nature is going to make no matter what. The earth is changing and it always has.
In Alaska the supposidly the glaciers are melting. But under the glaciers is evidence of Tropical forest from hundreds of thousands of years ago. Well then maybe Alska was not suppose to have Glaciers on it. Maybe the real problem is all of this ice that we have all over the world is in the wrong place.
Look Man is way to small and insignificant in its normal day to have as much of an impact of the planet as we like to thing that we have, the earth is changing and it always will, there is an end, and it will come no matter what.
Norski, you nailed it, thats why I stopped, I have enough aggravation in my life,,,,
JarrodM
You call me an idiot, yet your words ("......Do you even pay attention to what you are writing?") --speak volumes.
" Look Man is way to small and insignificant in its normal day to have as much of an impact of the planet as we like to thing that we have......."
i am sure i am not going to change your limited mind.....that's not my intent. But i will allow you every opportunity to prove your mental ability.
So let me reiterate.......regardless of who's fault climate change is, we will still have to deal with the results, from coastal erosion to loss underwriting........and you&i pay for it.
I agree that we have to live with the climate changing, floods from too much rain, etc. But to give Al Gore a nobel peace prize is dishonoring all who have won it before. Global warming - phooey. Mother nature is just an old hag.....
davidwalters,
I like how you so skillfully side steped the apperent hole in your comments that I pointed out with a personal attack.
The bottom line, is you and all your chicken little firends like Al Gore are wrong. I'm smart enough to realize that there is nothing anyone here can say or show you to make you change your limited mental capacity to see the truth.
The climate is not a constant, and while everything on the earth has some effect on it, including man, we humans are insignificant in that. As time moves on the climate is going to change, and that is proven by the tropical forest that are found under the melting glaciers in Alaska (Hence it use to be tropical where it is now ice, or was ice). So since we have now established that mother nature will do as she pleses because she can do that, and will do that let stop pretending that we can control her.
The only think that people like you, and Al Gore want is another way to control the masses, just like the rest of the liberal crap mandates and policies. I for one will not wast my time and my money on something that is not a proven problem.
I know you have all of these Scientist that differ, and I'm sure that they are smart, and that they honest believe it, just like all of the scientist that thought that world was going to freeze in the 70 and 80's. Just like all of the smart Doctors that can't agree on if eggs are good for us or bad for us. Sooner or later you have to stop listening to what everyone else is saying, and open your eyes and make a judgement call for your self. I for one do not need big government of some looney scientist trying to find some other reason to control my life. I think that I'm doing just fine with out them.
as a conservative petunia, one would think prudence to be a virtue among your kind....
But sadly, that is not the case.....is it?
Jarrod:
in your statement....."I'm smart enough to realize that there is nothing anyone here can say or show you to make you change your limited mental capacity to see the truth."
There was a time when i was more conservative.......but in spite of my limited mental capacity i saw the BS that was conservative doctrine as spewed out by Lee Atwater, and now Karl Rove(may he too get a deadly brain tumor.....)
Perhaps you don't subscribe to the reality of climate change, but to be sure, insurance underwriters do.
Wow again just avoding a direct question, your worse then a politician. No david you your self do not have the ability to convince a polar bear that global warming is taking place.
aaah, Jarrod,
i admit i have trouble reading your posts due to the grammar and spelling errors......please forgive me, for i am not perfect. So, i'll humbly ask you.....what is your direct question that you seem to believe i am avoiding?
What i have been saying is:
Regardless of the cause, climate change is something our civilization has to address.
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
I don't know what all of the fuss is about but I heard today on the radio that the global temperature has dropped 0.7 Celsius. They said it was the steepest drop ever recorded and we might want global warming to happen or else we will be dealing with another ice age.
There was other talk about not enough sunspots on the surface of the sun but I don't know enough about that to be able to comment on it.
P.S. It was from Quinn and Rose in the morning, a conservative radio show on one of my AM stations.
0.7 Celsius in one year. Sorry I forgot to include the time frame. Also mentioned that the Earth's global temperature is as low as it was in 1930. Don't know if it is true but intriging nevertheless
I'm a common sense conservative (which isn't easy to be on the West Coast) and it doesn't take a lot of brains to know that all the garbabge, fumes, runoff etc. that we produce doesn't just disappear and chances are it's really really bad for us... I don't care if Al Gore's making money off of it... if the Dems can profit off Eco tech then so can I... and with the state our economy's in we could use SOME new kind of industry in the US. Frankly we're falling behind by not getting on board sooner. Aren't we supposed to be happy when market forces take over?
And I think it's very telling when so many of Bushie's own people have reversed their position... even the guy who formulated the administration's defense on ths issue.
Lastly, I think there's a Bibilical imperative to be good stewards of God's gifts... I think it's time we stop putting our heads in the sand on this one and TAKE OWNERSHIP of it... let's be the ones to solve it so it's a W in our column, not the left.
as a former vet can't we pick something else to represent the war of the climate?http://blogginontheright.blogspot.com/
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Born in 1951, I remember those textbooks and magazines that said another ice age was coming. No kidding.
Now, the hot issue is Global Warming.
Just one problem: some fellow named Phil Chapman, who's a geophysicist, astronautical engineer, and astronaut, took a look at sunspot activity. Or, more precisely, to lack of same: on Wednesday of this week there was only one sunspot on the side of the sun facing us.
There's more in http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html - and interesting reading it is, too.
Looks like the textbooks may have to be re-written again.
That's a highly relevant link Norski and I'm glad you produced it here. Being an Australian resident, "The Australian" paper is often on our kitchen table and that particular article drew my attention during the week.
As I wrote on my site: "During the Second World War, the Japanese empire represented a potent threat to the United States global warming does not. To use this image in a doctored fashion makes light of one of the most familiar moments of one of the bloodiest battles in U.S. history..."
Otto - American Interests,
Thanks!
Phil Chapman's observation and comparisons with historical data are being repeated in the American press - to a limited extent. I've been impressed at how many people are willing to risk their careers by defying the global warming doctrine.
On another matter: I may have mentioned this before, but "tasteless" is the nicest thing I can think of to say of Time's cover parody.
Time Magazine's managing Editor Richard Stengel said in a moment of honesty during a speech at the University of Mississippi, "I didn't go to journalism school. But this notion that journalism is objective, or must be objective is something that has always bothered me - because the notion about objectivity is in some ways a fantasy. I don't know that there is such a thing as objectivity."
From NewsBusters.org, Stengel validates the cover of the April 21 issue as a "point of view." Richard Stengal's admission proves what most of us deduced years ago, objectivity in Journalism is fantasy.
visit http://www.theconservatorium.wordpress.com
The use of this imagery is absolutely disgusting. Using one of the most scared images in American history as propaganda for a belief that is far from a consensus is one of the most offensive things I have seen from Time.
This Time Magazine ,"photo, " is an insult to those who raised the flag on Iwo and to every man and women who is serving or has served this Country.
Time is a JOKE!
Conservatorium, you're dumb. A lot of people believe in global warming, not just some tiny percentage of radical hippies. And if you really want to get into propaganda, and how absolutely sickening it is, then you need look no further than W and his entire administration's propaganda for national support of the invasion into Iraq. Click on the following link, and you'll see some of the most despicable displays of propaganda used by the government.
http://www.classroomtools.com/iraq_war.htm
I want you! To invade Iraq! Yeah, planting a tree, that's a LOT more offensive than that! Idiots.
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OhHolyKnight,
I think I've got it now.
People who question global warming are dumb.
They're part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, and Bush's nefarious plots.
It's all so much clearer now.
Seriously, "you're dumb" as a response to someone who doesn't agree with you is not the best way to convince an unconvinced third party.
OhSillyKnight
yes, it is only a fraction of aging hippie marxist pushing enviroreligion
the younger, newer crowd are simply interested in being cool and faddish... theres a difference.. they have no idea what it is they support...
When I first saw this issue of Time I couldn't believe my eyes. That they had taken a picture of one of the most patriotic moments in history and used it to promote the issue of global warming was appalling. The picture symbolizes hope, unity, patriotism and victory and to trivialize it the way they did tell me all that I need to know about Time. "Time" to stop reading it! (Although I guess that to stop reading it should mean that I started in the first place)
The CO2 growth rate over the past decade was about twice as fast as that found in the 1960s. Yet, all four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year(2007-2008), global temperatures have dropped precipitously.... an average of .70 degrees Cel.
How is is possible for the carbon dioxide rate to double over a decade and earth's temperature go down? Answer, because man made global warming is a hoax. The earth has warmed some 16 degrees Far. since the last ice age. Most of that warming was before the internal combustion engine or the first goal plant was built. It was not caused by La Nina as some scientists are trying to say now...If that is the case, why was El Nino not part of the warming of the 1990's?
Did the invention of the Model T cause the glaciers to melt that formed the Great Lakes...of course not. So what caused such GIGANTIC glaciers to melt thousands of years ago? Again, the answer is not man...it is natural temperature changes that the have ALWAYS occurred.
One thing these scientists are correct about...the debate is over. The earth has always heated and cooled several degrees. Case Closed.
I never said whether or not I was supporting the theory of global warming. You assumed I did because I called conservatives dumb. I don't know what to believe on this issue, since both sides have pretty convincing arguments.
To Norski,
People are denying the possibility of global warming simply because they assume everyone who supports it is a smelly hippie. That is not true, and THAT is the point I am trying to convey. The fact that conservatorium made a claim like that meant I had to call HIM on it.
To Buffoon,
Oh, so the young people have "no idea" what they're supporting? You mean, sorta like how everyone who supports the war in Iraq has no idea what THEY are supporting? The fact that you could be so ignorant as to assume that just because a person is young (say 30 or younger) means they have no clue what they are talking about and they are uninformed (as our awol webmaster Urban Conservative liked to claim) is sickening. I am young, yet astonishingly, I know the issues! Gasp! No, that can't be. According to you, every single young adult who thinks anything about an issue is wrong. Nice.
To Jennifer,
The raising of the flag at Iwo Jima was a very patriotic moment, indeed. But the first one wasn't as much. Yeah, that picture up there that everyone here is saying is so patriotic and so untouchable is actually a SECOND take. The first photo sucked, so they staged it and did it over again. The second one was good, and we kept it. You'll find that has happened a lot in our nation's history. It's not quite as profound as you think when you know the facts behind it. We might as well have shot it in Hollywood. But nobody has the right to desecrate that oh holy picture with such a mockery, right? Hippie, pot-smoking, liberal bastards! How dare they voice their opinions when it differs so greatly from mine!
Honestly guys, these are your best arguments? The only one making logical points here is Ross, and while I don't agree with him when he says the case is closed, I do agree that he is the only one making an actual response attempt.
So, I'm waiting.
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OhHolyKnight,
re. "People are denying the possibility of global warming simply because they assume everyone who supports it is a smelly hippie. That is not true, and THAT is the point I am trying to convey. The fact that conservatorium made a claim like that meant I had to call HIM on it."
Some people, quite likely. I doubt that Dr. Gray, of Colorado State University, has that motive for questioning the doctrine of global warming.
More, with links, at:
http://anotherwaronterrorblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/american-academic-institutions.html
It's time that global warming be taken out of the must-believe category, and put in with other assumptions that can - and should - be tested against the real world.
OhHolyKnight,
{Hippie, pot-smoking, liberal bastards! How dare they voice their opinions when it differs so greatly from mine!}
Uh, exactly where did I call you that? You don't know me, so please don't attempt to put words in my mouth. That picture represents the things I listed regardless if it was a first or second attempt. And yes, it was disgusting to make a mockery of it.
First of all I don't see any of you guys questioning the faulty laissez faire economic theory, so I don't understand why your so worked up about this well ground scientific theory. The way I see it global warming may be false but if it's true then it is a hell of a lot more of a threat than the Japanese ever were. As far as the marines go, I will admit that this is actually quite insulting. On the other hand as a pascifist I don't see them as much more than murderers.
Jennifer, that picture doesn't trivialize anything. Global warming, false or not, is a belief held by many people, and a concern shared by many people. It is not some trivial, meaningless issue, even if it is just a theory. The fact of the matter is that Time Magazine used a heroic and patriotic American picture to help raise awareness for a big global issue that many people believe in and participate in. And yes, while it does mention specifically the war on global warming, helping the environment is not at ALL a null issue. We ARE cutting down the rain forests at an alarming rate; we ARE wiping out species and destroying ecosystems; we ARE replacing natural wildlife with the mechanical urban cultivated landscape we are so used to. These are issues, absolutely. Whether or not global warming as defined by Al Gore exists, the delicate balance of the world is getting upset, and humans and animals alike are paying for it every day.
Furthermore, it is a BELIEF HELD BY A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. Do you know why I put that in caps? It's because there is something else that is a belief held by many people that no one seems to be talking about, and that one is religion. Florida is trying to make Christian license plates. No one cares about that because we are a Christian nation! Jesus died for us, and God forbid we do anything that might be considered liberal! In fact, any religion you name is going to be a belief and not a fact, and yet how much do we see about religion? Every other argument against Barrack Obama is that he is a Muslim, and his middle name is Hussein! Fuckin terrorists. If only he were a Christian! Oh wait, that whole Rev Wright thing. So.... he's a dirty Muslim terrorist who.... goes to church? Oh, but Christianity is not a belief. It's real. Not like global warming, which is just a theory. If only Time had put out a picture with those soldiers raising a cross! Then I guarantee you no one here would be offended.
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Seen on a poster:
If Three Hundred Million People Really Believe in a Dumb Idea:
It's Still a Dumb Idea.
Sorta like the Iraq War? Sorta like text messaging in high school classes? Sorta like giving your 6th grade daughter her own cell phone? Sorta like the Americans who still refuse to admit GWB is an awful abomination of a human being, let alone free world leader? Sorta like Christianity?
Yeah, if it's a dumb idea, it's a dumb idea. But regardless of whether or not a lot of these people are believing in something that's false, they ARE trying to help the environment and help animals. So who the fuck do you think you are in calling them stupid for that? You sit back in your comfy chair and laugh at the people who are trying to make a difference? I HATE Christianity, but if a Christian goes to Africa to help out the poor and the sick and the hungry based on religious reasons, I'm not going to make fun of them or denounce them. They are helping. Dumb or not, the idea of global warming is prompting more eco-friendly responses than any issue ever before, and I think that is fantastic. So if you really wanna bad-mouth that movement, then do it. But the idea, the response, the passion that it is igniting amongst the EARTH'S population, is enormous. And it's a good thing.
Oh, but global warming is wrong and dumb, so everyone should stop believing in it, go back home, and shop, because America's asking us to shop! Don't worry about the rain forests or the endangered animals--if they were meant to exist, they'd be existing! The insight provided by the conservatives on this blog is astounding.
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I posted this earlier on another thread, but thought it might be appropriate here as well.
America leads the way!! Kyoto my ass .. Though it's not part of the Kyoto accord, the U.S. is actually closer to meeting its requirements than the countries that adopted it.
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION INCREASES FROM 1997 TO 2004:
World - 18.0%
Nations in Kyoto acc. - 21.1%
Nations not in Kyoto - 10.0%
U.S. - 6.6%
How bout them apples. Thank you George Bush for being right. Again.
By the way, who even reads TIME magazine anyways? It's on the same level as PEOPLE magazine.
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Hahaha, yeah. I haven't even heard of Time magazine! That's so true!
Okay, so the US is leading the way. Nice. Does that change anything? Is that reason enough to stop caring about the environment? Oh, we're good, we're the US, we've got the lowest emissions, so we don't care about the issue anymore! World, you're on your own! Screw you guys, we only care about ourselves and our shopping! That is so typical of the brainwashing that Bush's administration is unleashing. We're not at war! We're fine! Just shop! Help the economy! Don't think, just go!
Seriously, if we are in the lead, as you say, then what is honestly changed? We're still driving around in Hummers and gigantic SUVs just to get from our houses down the street. And there are still the ecological problems, like rain forests and specie depletion, that need to be raised and attended to. Thanks for the stat though. We can rest easy now.
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I can't believe I have to explain this to you OHK. What it means is the KYOTO was full of HOT air. The free and open markets can solve problems with more efficiency and speed than any government regulation. I'll guess you are on the wrong end of this issue (Kyoto). That's not surprising. Wrong again!!
LOL, we don't care because we're doing the job better? It's the opposite you dunderhead.
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By the way I never said I hadn't heard of Time magazine. Man, your reading comprehension is for shizzle. I asked who even bothers to read that rag? It is a rag and we could save several million trees just by getting rid of that awful magazine.
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Basically, the point is this.
Sure, we may have less increase in CO2 emissions than any other country, but we still have way more emissions than any other country in the world.
Second, we have the lowest increase, because we already are the most industrialized. Its not that hard to figure that stat out.
Third, if we want to say we are world leaders, we have to lead the charge. Its the same idea with nuclear proliferation. We have to lead the way, be an example to the rest of the world, if we are the world leader we say we are. We cant expect others to do what we don't.
HOBOBOH, what you fail to realize is that when Americans hear that they aren't the #1 offender of toxic gas emissions, they will stop caring altogether. Yes I generalize, only because in this case it is true. Americans only care about what is the most pressing issue at the time. That's why so many have stopped caring about the War in Iraq (it's old news) and started caring about how they can only take with them 80 pounds of rice when they go to the grocery store each time. They won't care what our actual toll on the environment is unless it is communicated to them in a way that lets them know it is a problem. As soon as we lose our spot as #1 offender of this, then almost everyone looking at the issue turns their comment from "We need to deal with this" to "Hey, they're the ones doing it, not us, so let them deal with it!" It's not unfair or stereotypical of me to say this. It happens and it has happened. That is the concern. Not that you personally think it's a problem or not. The fact of the matter is that this IS a problem, and people will not notice it until it personally affects the tree they got standing on their front lawn. I don't condone the use of propaganda; far from it. Facts are facts are facts, and you can't tell the American people we are when we aren't, or vice versa. But we can make the problem personal. That's the only way they'll listen.
I know you didn't say you hadn't heard of the magazine, I was making fun of what you did say by exaggerating it and saying **I** hadn't heard of Time magazine. The point is people have heard of it, do read it, and actually believe what it says, just like many people read conservative, religious, or other liberal magazines and believe those. Should it be taken for gospel? No. But neither should the Bible, yet look where that is. Just be thankful it's not the #1 bestselling material of all-time, like that slanderous, propaganda-spewing bible. Getting rid of that--now THAT would save a lot of trees.
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Kyoto promises are nothing but hot air
22 June 2023
NewScientist.com news service
Fred Pearce
MANY governments, including some that claim to be leading the fight against global warming, are harbouring a dirty little secret. These countries are emitting far more greenhouse gas than they say they are, a fact that threatens to undermine not only the shaky Kyoto protocol but also the new multibillion-dollar market in carbon trading.
Under Kyoto, each government calculates how much carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide its country emits by adding together estimated emissions from individual sources. These so-called "bottom-up" estimates have long been accepted by atmospheric scientists, even though they have never been independently audited.
Now two teams that have monitored concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere say they have convincing evidence that the figures reported by many countries are wrong, especially for methane. Among the worst offenders are the UK, which may be emitting 92 per cent more methane than it declares under the Kyoto protocol, and France, which may be emitting 47 per cent more.
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Pardon the little C/P .. but it was dead on. At least I sourced eh? LOL
There is more of the story (drone drone drone), but I cut it off short for the sake of brevity.
Look folks this is all one big "shell" game. Isn't it always? Carbon trading, caps, it's all one slick "Carny" huckster scheme. There is one BIG glaring fact which must preface every argument for hacking up the global economy (and that is what is happening, just look at rice, ethanol is literally starving PPL to death), before you run around ranting and raving and regulating and piling up the DO-RE-ME (boy and hasn't Al Gore made a pretty penny off this, what a guy), before ALL that and more .. one must realize that the CLIMATE CHANGES, BE THEY WARM OR COOL ARE 96%+ "NATURALLY" OCCURRING. There is a period at the end of that sentence. No one says we don't want a cleaner environment and the United states HAS led the way for MANY years, way before the hysterics kicked in. No one and I mean no one(country) has cleaned up their own environment like the US has. So don't hand me this bull about not caring. One of the unforseen problems (think again about rice and ethanol) is that when you FORCE economies around as opposed to using open free market systems, you get repercussions which may undue all your good intentions. What good intentions they are too. I just love it when I'm at a function and we can all sip latte's and talk about what we're doing for the environment. It's all quite scintillating and self congratulatory. it makes PPL feel nice. But, guess what, "Watch the Birdie!", your wallet is gone. You won't have to look far, Al gore has got it. Maybe he'll be nice and trade you some carbon.
While I'm on this topic, the environment is so cool. We need to reduce our consumption of oil, that makes sense doesn't it? We all want to pay less for it, yes? High gas prices hurts the poor most doesn't it? It effects food prices and clothes and shoes which the "poor" pay a greater proportion of their income on then say the middle or upper classes. Thats a cold truth to live with as we refuse (Dem. Congress) to allow the U.S. to increase its refinery capacity or explore for gas and oil. You want to help the poor? Really?? Then you will call your respective representatives and tell them. By the way, the oil will come from somewhere right? I mean if not here then elsewhere, right? Like Russia up in the Arctic? Hmm, no protests there I'll bet. Do you honestly (think about it), do you honestly believe that countries like Russia or Venezuela are going to do a better job of keeping their work environments clean? Go to Chernobyl and send me a post card. And yet when you force the US to import oil because you don't trust EXXON, you are letting the control of our environment (we are all connected) be given to countries without our legal systems and regresses, without democracy for their own PPL, etc. etc. I mean think about it. You are by de facto ceding control of our planets environment over to hooligans and thugs. Wouldn't it be better let BIG OIL (boo hiss) do it at home where we can keep and eye on what they are doing? A place where we can have some legal recourses like we did in the VALDEZ tanker case? If you keep increasing your demand for imported oil it has to come in by a tanker like the Valdez. Statistically, there is your environmental disaster data. More imported oil, more tankers, simple. Not pretty is it. Domestic increase minimizes risk, increases jobs (american) and helps the poor! How can anyone be against it? I'll tell you how, through 30+years of misinformation and scare tactics. So let's all get together and have those latte's and smile about the opening of ANWR. The environment is so cool.
Yes OHK, about the trees, turns out that too many of them are bad for the planet as well .. (chainsaw starts) .. gotta go!!
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I'm always surprised at how long some of my posts are. That tiny little comment box deceives me. LOL
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Too many trees = bad for the environment, and that's your justification for wiping out the Earth's forests? Seriously? While it may be damaging in some respects to have "too many trees," it's certainly the lesser of two evils against having NO trees, and we absolutely have one hell of a long way to go until we get too many trees. That's like saying murder and genocide are okay because "too many people is bad." In fact too much of anything is bad. That doesn't justify crime.
I'm not contesting that our dependence on oil, and specifically OPEC's oil, and more specifically the oil from the Middle East, is a bad, bad thing. It is very bad, and it sucks. I don't like being dependent on OPEC. The fact is though that's its more difficult to break with OPEC than you think, and that's what you're suggesting. We can't just rip it off like a bandaid, and expect them to say "Oh well, America's gone. Let's go eat now." No! It doesn't work like that! And with America in the mess we're in, the last thing we need is another enemy! And guess what: if everything was run locally, like you said, who is to say that any of the problems we have not would go away? People would still gouge gas prices, and we'd STILL be paying for it. True, Gore is making a pretty penny off of the environmental issues he raises. GW Bush made a living out of demonizing a foreign religion and culture and warring with that enemy for less than noble reasons. Gore, last i checked, didn't kill anyone or alienate any religion.
The truth of the matter is that we are not even the most dependent on Middle Eastern oil. Canada is the #1 shipper of oil to the United States, then Mexico, then Venezuela. Saudi Arabia is not even top 3! Oil is a problem to the environment. We need to find something else. There is something else, we just have to find it. The environment is in danger, so how can you sit there and laugh at me when I say that? How can you look at a traffic jam in the city or on a highway and see the ocean of heat waves ascending into the atmosphere and NOT think "this is bad"? Climate changing naturally or not, the environment IS IN DANGER! You're not realizing this. I'm not here to debate global warming. I've already told that, to me, both sides make pretty good arguments. But we as Earth's people need to unite to help the environment. As industry grows, as population grows, as resources deplete, we will need to address the environmental problems at hand sooner than you think. Now, even. The problem is so many people out there look at the liberals and the environmental advocates and think, simply, purely, "Global warming is a farce by the democrats," even if global warming has nothing to do with it. And they sit back in their chairs and watch T.V., without ever thinking that maybe that "liberal" argument has some validity. That is the danger! Indifference! It was a problem during WWII and the holocaust, and look where that wound up: hundreds of thousands dead, millions more without jobs, homes and families. Indifference is a crime we've committed in the past, and I'd rather not do it again with the environment.
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