You, MS Conservative- above all others here, should know already the long-standing joke went like this:
 
Q:What's the difference between Ann Coulter and a piranha?
A: Lipstick.
 
Like McCain, and his attempt to wrap the "change" flag around his out-dated ideas and the failed policies of the Bush administration, Palin has tried to paint herself (with the assistance of Karl Rove) as a "maverick".  Neither of these attempts to place clothing on the Emperor have succeeded,  for he  is still both without clothing and without a clue.  
Ms Conservative, I realize that you are young- so I will allow that you are not as factual as you could be...you may not even know who  Fred Astaire or Ginger Rogers were; but, before trotting out feeble impressions of what you deem to be a slam on feminism- you might look up  who said what.
 "Remember, Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, but backwards and in high heels." 
~Faith Whittlesey
 

"Palin quickly picked up the fallen standard of those Hillary voters who put "18 million cracks" in the glass ceiling. She didn't crack anything. John McCain helicoptered her to the roof, and they led her down the back stairs."- From Huffington Post, because obviously women can't be successful without men?


"successfully marketing yourself as a powerful woman (or having someone do it for you), whether in business or politics, means making sure the men around you are checking out your ass, want you lying in their beds, want you taking care of their kids." -Daily Kos



"John McCain obviously thinks American women are stupid - that women are interchangeable and that they vote on the basis of sexual anatomy alone. His pick is more tokenizing and sexism from the Republican Party." -From a facebook group, because obviously there's no chance he could have picked her because he feels she would do a good job?



I think voting with Bush 90% of the time is better, and more "change-like" than voting with the democrats 97% of the time (when you bother to show up at all, last count he's had roughly 100 active senate days since being elected), and I don't think that's putting "lipstick" on anything.  I think piranha and pit bull are more positive associations for strong, well-spoken women who can take care of themselves than pigs.


And for the record, considering the average age of an Obama supporter is my age, I doubt the Fred Astaire reference was noticed by them, either.

I am still wondering how Obama is going to change anything.  He is just rehasing all the same BS Liberal speak of the last 40-50 years.   None of the Democrats have had a new idea forever. they are stuck in the 60's utopian Marxist dreamland of Kumbaya.   "If only we can talk to the animals"  Let's talk to Iamanutjob and see how far that will do in him giving up nucler weapons. Let's talk to Putin til we are blue in th face as he takes over all of the Baltic countries.

No I rather have McCain's change.   get rid of all the BS in Washington, get rid of all the pork and get the country back to what it was supposed to be.   Less government, less taxes and more power back to the states.

So lipstick is the buzz word of the day, I hear.  Personally I think if "lipstick on a pig" makes the McCain campaign think of the Grandma first, it says more about them than anyone.  McCain used the identical term to address a Hillary Clinton policy at least twice.  No one said a peep.  I think it is a brilliant choice of words and it is actually appropriate to what Barack was talking about at the time (not Palin).  I thought hockey moms and moose hunters were tough.  And you know what...if she was offended then that's her problem.  She signed up for this and this is the big leagues.  In the big leagues there is something called a brush back pitch.  Everyone knows the intent but if you ask the pitcher, he will tell you it just slipped out of his hand.  Batter up!

Good article.  I've said this before, and it bears repeating...; the reaction throughout the Southwest is to admire Gov. Palin more and more as the liberals and Sen. Obama attack her.  They clearly have no factual response to what is a very qualified and very able candidate.  All the liberal elite can come up with is a non-factual smear campaign that mislabels events and actions by the Governor in an attempt to bring her down.  Of course, I do not see that as even a blip on the record, but what is absolutely amazing is that in the real world, as I shop and move around my community (which is a hot bed of liberal thought...and votes that way) I overhear commentary to the effect that people are angry at the left's treatment of Gov. Palin; that that treatment makes them doubt Sen. Obama's promise of concern for "all Americans"; that they may vote for the McCain/Palin ticket in protest of the unfairness.  And more and more, unasked by me, I hear voluntary comments of how all politicians are alike but at least McCain has a track record.

It is interesting to read the repeating comments by liberals who seem not to understand the negative effect they are having on their "cause."  I have the luxery of reading most of them because I am retired and have the time.  I must resume many of the liberal posters are also retired...if not, someone must be paying them for the time they spend posting their libereal talking points.  Either way, they do provide entertainment and keep any site from becoming boring.

You know that's a photoshopped picture, right?

Undecided - wow, really? Thanks for letting us know. 

On a side note, I think most people are mad b/c conservative woman are just far more attractive than liberal woman. It's a fact.

go Sarah...
go Sarah...
go Sarah...
go Sarah...

gotta love her---

Lipstick on a pig and sexist comments.............


I think it was really sexist of John McCain to draw an analysis between Palin and a pig!  I, as a woman, am insulted that McCain took a pig comment and attributed it to a woman.  He's the first one to have made that statement about Hillary Clinton.  I guess he's fessing up to sexism against Hillary


Shame on John McSame.  I thought that he was a man of honor.  He has blown my impression of him.  He cares more about power than he does about the dignity of the democratic process that Americans hold so dear.  He's a traitor.

After her comment at the convention, to say he didn't mean it that way is just stupid. Or he is, pick which you like. He knew what he was saying and said it anyway, because intentions in something like this cannot be proven. It was a cheap shot and he meant it. Here's a popular saying where I'm from, if it waddles, has webbed feet and quacks, it's bound to be a duck, no matter how many people call it a dog.

Lipstick on a pig and sexist comments.............


I think it was really sexist of John McCain to draw an analysis between Palin and a pig!  I, as a woman, am insulted that McCain took a pig comment and attributed it to a woman.  He's the first one to have made that statement about Hillary Clinton.  I guess he's fessing up to sexism against Hillary


Shame on John McSame.  I thought that he was a man of honor.  He has blown my impression of him.  He cares more about power than he does about the dignity of the democratic process that Americans hold so dear.  He's a traitor.

Hey Conservative Cutie- you sound like a solid feminist- at least you seem as if you have a healthy respect for strong women (although your screen name is a bit demeaning).


But have you considered that Palin is actually being used by McCain?  In doing so, he's using women and their votes to get into power?  Most of the women that I talk to see through the thin veil of patronization towards women that McCain and his cronies are exhibiting.


Palin wasn't on anybodies radar before he announced her as his running mate.  She didn't have the political traction and she hasn't made a name for herself on the political scene.  He wanted that.  She's not qualified.  I'm sorry- I think she's a really amazing woman, but she isn't qualified- and you know it.


McCain is a sexist and he's using you- just like men use women time and time again as a means their own ends.  It's sad.  Women are, once again, being played.

Women are being played by Obama and that is obvious.  He stands for the same good ole boy network that Biden stands for.  Just look at his record.  Obama goes along with the same party that is the majority in congress now.  we know how much they promised and what they have done--nothing.  they go on vacation.  No candidate is perfect.  However, at least McCain/Palin are going to challenge the establishment on issues they don't agree with.   There are only a few states that allow governors the amount of the power that Alaska does.  I think another one is MA.  Her decision making abilities were vast due to the power she was given by her state.  She has had more experience that Obama, esp. since he voted "present" over 100 times.  that is decision making at its best.  who can judge that record?  Obviously, he rides the line!

Jack I'm not sure what "line" Obama rides, and your post kind of meandered all over the place- but I'll try to stick to the original point of discussion.


As a woman, I'm insulted.  If the McCain camp truly believe that the bump they got in the female demographic is going to last past Palin's 15 minutes, they sorely underestimate the ultimate intelligence of women in general.  Women won't be played.  Biden wrote the Violence Against Women Act and Obama has made eradicating the pay gap part of his platform.  McCain has never discussed REAL issues that honestly effect women.  He's simply using poor Sarah Palin as a way to win at any cost and it's appalling.


I've seen her on the stump over and over again this week.  If I hear "I put it on Ebay" one more time my head is going to pop off my shoulders.  After all of the "Red Meat" that was supposedly presented at the GOP Convention last week, I'm left wondering "WHERE'S THE BEEF?"

YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON A RACIST AND ITS STILL REV WRIGHT
 
YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON A TERRORIST AND ITS STILL WILLIAM AYERS
 
YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON TONY REZKO AND ITS STILL A COVICTED FELON THAT OBAMA GAVE 14 MILLION+ TAX DOLLARS TO AND LIES TO THE PEOPLE ABOUT!!!!!
 
YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON A LIAR AND ITS STILL BARACK OBAMA!!!!!

"Socimom"- whatever you do, don't hold your breath waiting to hear what the GOP- and specifically McCain- have to offer.  They don't have anything other than the status quo- but to say that would be an admission that they offer no "change" at all.   This is the reason why every ad of late are nothing but fear mongering,  lies, and misrepresentations of Obama's stated positions which have been on display for over 1 1/2 years. 
The facts are out there- and now the mainstream media have actually picked up their pencils and started to actually call Palin on her lies.
It's about time.

Stuffed Patriot:  If I were you,  I would pay attention as to why your boy, John McCain spent his 70th birthday aboard the yacht of Follieri of wire fraud, conspiracy,  and money laundering fame.

Sarah Palin: 10 things we've learnt


1. Her five children are named Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and, last but not least, Trig Paxson Van Palin. According to the Washington Post newspaper, Track was named after the course of the sockeye salmon the family fishes off the town of Dillingham, while her eldest daughter's name comes from Bristol Bay, an area known for its salmon fisheries. The name Willow relates to the state bird, the willow ptarmigan, and a nearby town, the paper says, while daughter Piper shares her name with the family's small plane. Trig is the Norse word for "brave victory", the Post adds.
2. Her rimless glasses are now a style phenomenon. The titanium Kawasaki 704 frames - designed in Japan, where they sell for $300 - are apparently flying off the shelves. Her upswept hair-do is also reportedly spawning imitators. LA Times fashion writer Booth Moore writes: "The untidiness of her updo has a can-do spirit that says, 'I have more important things to do than worry about my hair, so I just twirled it into this clip so I could get to the real business of governing and shooting caribou and having babies and taking them to hockey practice.'"
3. John McCain picked someone who not only appeals to "Wal-Mart Moms" but is one herself, shopping for the family in a local branch. Not only that, writes New York Times columnist William Kristol, but "he picked someone who, in 1999 as Wasilla mayor, presided over a wedding of two Wal-Mart associates at the local Wal-Mart".

4. Mrs Palin enjoys moose-hunting and salmon-fishing - and has said her favourite dish is moose stew. Former Republican senator and one-time presidential hopeful Fred Thompson described her as "the only nominee in the history of either party who knows how to properly field-dress a moose". Cindy McCain, in her speech to the party's national convention, said her husband John had "picked a reform-minded, hockey-mommin', basketball-shooting, moose-hunting, salmon-fishing, pistol-packing mother-of-five for vice-president".
5. A month before her fifth child, Trig, was due, Mrs Palin's waters broke while she was in Texas to address a conference. She delivered her speech nonetheless and embarked on the long flight back to Alaska - changing planes in Seattle - before travelling an hour by road to hospital to give birth. She says she was not in "active labour" and her doctor said it was fine. Alaska Airlines allows women to travel in the late stages of pregnancy. Husband Todd - a commercial fisherman - is quoted by the Anchorage Daily News as saying: "You can't have a fish picker from Texas." Three days later, Mrs Palin was back at work.
6. As governor of Alaska, Mrs Palin ditched plans for a "bridge to nowhere" - a federally-funded project to link a handful of Alaskans to an airport at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. In her speech to the Republican National Convention, she said she had told the US Congress "thanks, but no thanks". But US media say she appeared to support the project while running for governor in 2006, though she said the proposed design was too "grandiose". And when she announced the cancellation of the bridge a year ago - after it gained notoriety as an example of wasteful spending - she hardly seemed to be turning down federal funds out of thrift. She explained the decision by saying, "It's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island." The federal funding was diverted to other projects in Alaska.

7. In a line that has gone down well at the Republican National Convention and on the campaign trail, she boasts of putting the previous governor's "luxury jet" on eBay as a measure to cut wasteful spending. That is true. But what she has not always explained to her audience is that the plane failed to sell on the internet auction site and so aides had to broker a deal with a buyer.
8. She was baptised a Catholic as an infant but attended a Pentecostal church in Wasilla - her hometown since her parents moved to Alaska from Idaho when she was three months old - for many years. She now attends Wasilla Bible Church, a non-denominational, evangelical church. The Associated Press reports that the church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.
9. As hunters sometimes do, Mrs Palin has incurred the wrath of wildlife-lovers. It's not just that she shoots moose and caribou, she has also backed legislation to encourage the aerial hunting of wolves, as a "predator control" measure. Plus, she has opposed the US government's listing of a variety of animals as endangered, including the polar bear and the beluga whale. Unlike Mr McCain and to the horror of many environmentalists, she actively supports drilling for oil in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge.
10. She is a self-described "average hockey mom"; a biography published a few months ago was entitled Sarah: How a Hockey Mom Turned Alaska's Political Establishment on Its Ear. The hockey mom branding could prove useful come November in the swing states of Michigan and Minnesota, where ice hockey is a big game. Her best-known joke so far? "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick." <!-- E BO -->

Well, that was far more than I know about ANY of the other candidates- and for some reason, I think that's a problem.  I know all about her personal life, but nothing about where she actually stands on the issues or exactly how well versed she is on them.


Did anyone see Obama with O'Reilly tonight?  They were actually chummy.  Strange.  I think old Bill genuinely liked Barack. :) In fact, he challenged him to a basketball game and betted that if he (Bill) won the game, Barack would have to give him a spot in the cabinet.  I guess even O'Reilly knows that Obama is going to win.  :)


Just to let everyone know- I phone banked for Obama tonight.  I got two un-decideds to vote for Obama, and I got one McCain supporter to change her mind.  Actually, McCain did it for her.  She admitted that Palin's nomination was a pander to women and she said she was disgusted with the negative ads coming from the McCain camp.


Buh-bye John.

As a woman, I agree with your statement about "putting it on ebay."  However, I respectfully disagree that Palen is not qualified.  I don't think Obama is qualified and don't want the same ole politics with Biden, but do like his stance on domestic violence.  I am a strong supporter of equal pay and domestic violence prevention.  As a matter of fact, in my past I was a victim of domestic violence.  So I am aware of the horrors.  However, just because Obama says he is for equal pay doesn't mean he will act on what he says.  Words are not action.  A lot of politicians say things they don't follow up on. 

I think women are smarter than what you are giving them credit for.  I believe Palen is a strong woman and will stand up for women's rights.  I also think women understand the major issues that our country faces and understand the priorities--economy, protection of our country, etc., and will base their judgements on a variety of issues and will not focus on just a few that affect one group of people.  Real issues affect a lot of different groups, and I will continue to listen to McCain and Palin as they are still laying out their issues.  I like McCain's choice of a strong, independent conservative woman who believes in most of the issues that I do.   

Obama rides the line on so many issues by voting "present"  As a woman, I want a President who will make definite decisions.  McCain still has time to address those issues, and i will not criticize what I haven't heard come from his mouth and I don't get insulted that easily.  We can agree to disagree.

According to fact check, the claims in blogs regarding Gov. Palin's postions on banning books, supporting creationist matter in the schools, and other "far out" claims has been proven false. Those who claim that she is a liar have been proven themselves to be claiming untruths.  I understand their intense partisanship, but THEY have been proven the liars.  I congratulate toe and David on their convictions, but they hurt their cause by their inaccuracies.

Of course the McCain campaign thinks Barack was talking about the Grandma when he said lipstick on a pig.  It's an upgrade from the c-word McCain reserves for his own wife.  I look at the uncomfortable hugs the two have at stump speeches and the same tired (and dishonest) speech she has repeated since the convention and I say, "are you kidding me?"  If you think the statement is sexist, then it was sexist when McCain said it referring to H. Clinton too.  What is so difficult about that?  John McCain's own daughter said he uses that expression "all the time."  Now they are afraid the Grandma will outdraw Father Time at stump speeches.  She probably will.  I think the American people are entitled to tough, direct questioning of a VP candidate.  What are they afraid of?  Can you learn all you need to know about national and international politics by cramming in your free time?  Anyone who went to 5 colleges in 6 years probably has great study habits, right?  My guess is that the wheels will quickly come off once she is "allowed" to speak freely.  In their effort to "protect" the Grandma, they are actually setting her up for more scrutiny.  Every limited word out of her mouth will be analyzed to pieces.  No politician is gaffe proof and her's will be magnified a thousand times.  We all know that what passes for political journalism these days is a game of gotcha.  It's just a matter of time.  The unscripted Palin will show us who she really is.  I see a disingenuous, petty, selfish woman.  I see a big fish in a small pond who now thinks she can swim with the sharks.  McCain thinks he can run out the clock talking about lipstick and (laugh) sexism.  The American people won't stand for it.  By the end, the Grandma will make Dan Quayle look like an enlightened noble statesman.  She'll make the late Jerry Fallwell look reasonable and tolerant.  Hey, she has made Father Time relevant and interesting so anything is possible.  I guess anyone who thinks dinosaurs were walking the earth 4,000 years ago has an interesting and creative take on history so she is right at home.

"The uscripted Palin will show us who she really is." If you have been listening, she already has shown herself to be much more qualified and decisive than Barack. And, fortunately for America, the unscripted Obama has already shown us who he really is. Muslim, hates America, lies about his stances on the issues to suit those he is talking to, dead wrong about a huge national security issue (the surge and it's success), and not only wrong, but unrepentant and refusing to acknowledge his mistakes and failures as a Senator. Commander in chief material???  Naw.

Muslim?  Do really believe that, Russell, or are you a moron?  Just curious.  Wait until you hear all about the Grandma's religion.  And if I remember correctly, Barack was talking about going into Pakistan LAST YEAR.  EVERYONE, including McCain criticized Barack for even saying it.  A year later Bush is doing it.  And the surge?  Saying the surge works is like saying the fire extinguishers worked great and contained the fire.  Oh by the way, I set the fire.  Also, I see Father Time adopting the "change" mantra.  Once again following a true leader.  Someone who can see beyond tomorrow.  A thinker.  Someone who makes informed decisions.  Decisive is a neutral term.  What you are decisive about determines if that is a good or bad quality.  So what is the Grandma  so decisive about?

Barack Obama:  Commander in chief material??? ABSOLUTELY!!!

Russel:
"The uscripted Palin will show us who she really is." If you have been listening, she already has shown herself to be much more qualified and decisive than Barack. 
* Really?  How so Russel?  The only thing she has done already is discuss her personal life.  I love the game show host introduction of her husband: "And now folks, here's Todd Palin!  Better known in Alaska as the First Dude!"  She's more qualified?  Are you on glue?


"And, fortunately for America, the unscripted Obama has already shown us who he really is. Muslim, hates America, lies about his stances on the issues to suit those he is talking to, dead wrong about a huge national security issue (the surge and it's success), and not only wrong, but unrepentant and refusing to acknowledge his mistakes and failures as a Senator. 
* Do you have the FIRST CLUE about what you are talking about?  Muslim?  Yea- and Palin is the grandmother of that baby.  Okay.  Dead wrong on the surge and it' success?  Do you watch more than sound bites on the news?  Unrepentant and refusing to acknowledge failures as a Senator?  Again, would you care to expound professor?  You seem incredibly uninformed.


Commander in chief material???  Naw.

*I, personally, am really looking forward to having President Obama as my leader.  I've put up with W for the past 8.  You will have to deal with the big O for the next.  By then, maybe you have become more intelligent.

While you all are grousing about liberals, Lipstick and Change, the current Russian Navy is sitting in Chavez's Oil soaked kitchen, along with Tupolev Bear aircraft.
Try this on for discussion.
What if a Bear just "Happened to fly too close to one of our oil rigs" and an accident occurred.
Think the MSM media would have the pilots on the view for an Ideological discussion?
Time to get off the dime. Think about the real world out there, it is going to hell in front of our eyes.
eys

First off, I didn't call him Muslim, he did. Are you asking if I believe what BHO himself said??? And then I guess you are right, he hasn't been truthful about anything else, why would he be truthful about that. My bad.
Also he himself, in a rare moment of truth, said the surge worked beyond anybody's wildest dreams, so do you disagree with him on that point??? And to quote Billy Joel, "We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the worlds been turning." We just have the unique opportunity to extinguish small amounts of flame while helping our neighbors and protecting ourselves at the same time. GLOBAL war on terror. Barack Hussein Obama---wartime president material--naw.

I also think it is sad when you are reduced to name calling. That moron thing hurt for a minute, then I considered the source, and applied the gold star to my helmet. TY

Russell you are the uninformed poster I've read on this board.  All of the informed conservatives have retreated.  Sad- I wonder why.  And by the way, I didn't read any name calling.  Who called you a moron?  Are you projecting?  Put that gold star on your helmet- and a happy face too.  
 
And once again- the conservatives are reduced to playground politics while the liberals remain standing with their dignity in tact.  Some things never change.....

Russell you are the uninformed poster I've read on this board.  All of the informed conservatives have retreated.  Sad- I wonder why.  And by the way, I didn't read any name calling.  Who called you a moron?  Are you projecting?  Put that gold star on your helmet- and a happy face too.  
 
And once again- the conservatives are reduced to playground politics while the liberals remain standing with their dignity in tact.  Some things never change.....

Russell, nobody is name calling.  I didn't read anyone calling you a moron.  Uninformed- yes.  Unintelligent- yes.  Not name calling- just engaged debate.  Wow- grow up!


And once again the conservatives engage in playground politics.  The American people can see through it.  You are embarrassing yourselves.

Do you hear yourself, Russell?  Essentially you are saying you pick and choose what to believe to suit your own predetermined ideas.  You are saying he has been dishonest about everything he has said EXCEPT about being a Muslim and the surge?  Is that right?  NOTHING he has said has rang true with you UNTIL he had a "moment of truth"  Or actually two, one with George and one with Bill.  It sounds very narrow and very selective to me.  So YOU are the arbiter of Barack's "moments of truth"  Why didn't you say that in the first place?  I'm honored to meet you.  Let me ask you, do you use a crystal ball or just throw darts at a chart to decide when these special moments of truth, that only you know about, arise?

No name calling here.  I asked IF because I wanted to know what I was dealing with.  It was really a question for yourself.

Russell.......
it is McCain that promotes the failed policy with respect to the "War on Terror"  $10BILLION/month while the Iraqi government is in the Black?  That's not Leadership that I have confidence in....
and this Palin woman simply parrots the "support the troops" mantra but does she really?  I'd like to ask her if she's been to a VA hospital lately?  I have, and it truly is sad to see how this government REALLY supports the troops!

Well, since you ask. I tried the crystal ball thing, but it is waaaay to much work. You have to wear those long white robes and let your hair grow all long, years worth of beard growth, open toed sandals.... So I decided to try the dart thing, but forgot to change out of the robe and the sleeve caught on the way down, holding the dart until just the right moment, and releasing it into the top of my foot, really sucked. Ergo I am currently looking for a better way, if anyone has any ideas??

Now, there are two major differences here that I see insomuch as the lies are concerned.
1) Something he says that can be independently either confirmed or discredited, based on factual evidence. For example, voting records, witness acounts or empirical historical data. In this particular instance, what I or anyone else belive makes no difference, the facts are the facts.
2) Something that he says that defines a belief system that he purports to hold. This cannot be verified in any way, as it is based wholly on the words of the speaker, and as you well know people claim to be one thing but are really very often another. This is commonly referred to as a "lie" because the speaker changes his stance or belief to suit outside influence.
In the second instance, I am indeed the "arbiter" of BHO's "moments of truth" as you put it. I can be such because my opinion as a citizen of this great country is what drives my comments.
So, as you see, I do not decide the worth of the comments, I merely interpret them based on either factual data or my own imperfect opinion.

Would that BHO ever had a concrete stance....

Hey Toe,

It's funny how you've got a lot to say about McCain, yet you turn a blind eye to the deceit and hypocrisy of the golden boy Obama. Let's not forget to mention that Obama is a self-proclaimed Muslim (oops...nobody was supposed to see that slip-up with George Stephanopolous), a racist against Whites (just ask Reverend Wright, and don't pretend like it's not true; nobody listens to a preacher for 20 years if he doesn't agree with what's being preached), a Socialist (or Communist, take your pick), and the stereotypical Democrat who promises everything, but delivers nothing (let's take a look at golden boy's voting record in the Senate).

So maybe the people of Illinois are stupid enough to elect this clown, but that doesn't mean that the rest of America is as naive.

Oh, and for Mr. Walters. Try keeping things in perspective. You, like so many other simple-minded Americans, seem to think that battles are supposed to be fought without spending any money. You probably also think that battles are fought with no casualties either. As for Sarah Palin, you've got a set of brass ones to question her support of the troops. Who knows? Maybe she doesn't visit soldiers at the VA just so she can pose for a nice photo op (as most politicians do, including golden boy Barack). But to question the support of a woman who's own son and other relatives are serving their country is down-right disgusting.

We did not vote for this clown, he got his opponent taken offbecuse one of Obama's friends in thecourt released divorce papers even when the wife did not want them to be public.   So he got to go agasint Allen Keyes, a man that did not even reside in Illinois.   I wish Ditka would have run istead of Keyes, then Obama would still be the Communtiy Oraganizer or an Illinois Senator under Emil's wings.

So do not think that most of Illinois voed for this clown.   Also you have to remember that Chicago and where I live, St Clair County, you can vote from the grave or if you are a dog.

Mike......i'm all to aware of casualties in combat, since i have earned a Combat Infantry Badge myself, and I see that the $10BILLION/month we waste in Iraq could be better spent on our VA hospitals that McCain votes against.

Ok Russell, well said and the first part was actually funny.  Based on your self defined criteria, can you answer the following questions with a yes or no?

1.  Does John McCain know anything about the economy?
2.  Did he vote for W's tax cuts?
3.  Did the Grandma initially support the Bridge to Nowhere?
4.  Has the Grandma ever received earmarks?

The answers are yes AND no depending on the source and the day of the week.  I'm interested in your answers based on the standards you have previously outlined.  What you will find are some things straight from the source (economy), some things on the record (tax cut vote), some campaign promises (bridge to nowhere) and some documented financial realities (earmarks).  Were those "moments of truth" (your words, not mine) or some distortion by liberal media or just plain facts that stand alone or what?  Remember, the questions I ask of you are simple yes or no answers.  I can find the spin anywhere.  I'm looking for the answers.

simonesdad

1--yes
2--no
3--yes
4--yes

Russell......
and did John McCain learn economics from Phil Gramm?

Russell,

1.  No, because the words came out of his own mouth.  Is/was he lying?
2.  Yes, because he supports them now so who cares how he voted.
3.  No, because she opposes it now.  "Thanks, but no thanks."
4.  No, because she is the "reformer" now and her running mate has vowed to veto any bill that has earmarks (something that has been a centerpiece of her entire political career (until now))

You see, I don't oppose your opinions.  But you can see that parsing statements or words or former or present positions is a slippery slope.  There is no all revealing, moment of truth.  I respect your opinion and I appreciate your honesty.  I take issue with snapshot judgment though.  People misspeak or evolve (not Sarah because she doesn't believe in it) or just plain change their minds.  You support McCain for whatever reasons you think are important.  That's fine.  I'm doing the same for my man Barack.  Using snapshot judgment to disparage the other is disingenuous at best and not in the spirit of what this country is really about.  So when you say you are the arbiter of these moments of truth for Barack, how does your candidate stand up under the same scrutiny?  Does he even receive the same scrutiny?  How do you reconcile the republican ticket's campaign with the 4 simple questions that have two answers to them?  It's a rhetorical question.  Something that everyone should consider no matter who you support.

simonsdad,

You asked for yes or no answers, so I obliged. I appreciate the conversation, and respect your opinion on this issue. With that being said and with all due respect, you are wrong. Let me show you.

1--If you will look up the actual quote instead of the daily kos, you would see he said he doesn't know MUCH about economics. You asked if he knew anything. He might not know much but that is a far cry from not knowing anything. I don't know MUCH about dvd players, but I can still watch an occasional movie.
2--You asked how he voted, not how he stands now. The answer is no. The phrasing of your question sets the answer.
3--Your question contained the word "initially". The answer is yes. Once again has nothing to do with today.
4--Your question contained the word "ever". The answer is yes. Consequently the figure wasn't even in the same ballpark with what Obama took, but the answer is yes nonetheless.

You see, as far as these questions are concerned, the answers are black and white. It is peoples interpretations that leave the grey areas.

All people misspeak and evolve on certain issues, it is inherently part of what makes us human. I once believed in the tooth fairy and Santa, but due to new light on those particular issues, I have changed my stance.

However, If I tell the world I am not Santa, but then in three interviews refer to myself as Santa, makes you wonder why I have Santa on my mind so much?? Is it because I am really Santa??? Something everyone should consider no matter who you support.

I'm not talking about differences in the thought process between a 5 year old and an adult.  I'm talking about differences from 2006 until now.  Vaguely within this current election season.  You can't roam the countryside and tell anyone who will listen that you are against earmarks and will veto earmarks and will reform the earmarks system with the governor of the state who receives the largest amount of earmarks standing right next to you.  How does he do that with a straight face?  Even a 5 year old who believes in Santa wouldn't believe in that.  For the record Alaska is #1 in earmarks per capita and guess who is dead last.  If you guessed Arizona, you would be right.  That's like Barack choosing Strom Thurmond as a running mate to pander to the racist vote.    Barack Obama has had his faith questioned since day one.  12-15% of Americans choose to believe he's Muslim.  Roughly the same percentage of Americans think they saw Elvis in a 7/11last week.  It doesn't make it so. He's also been called the most liberal senator.  Show me a liberal Muslim anywhere.  A run of the mill Muslim makes American conservatives look like hippies.  In other words, if Barack were running to the right of republicans and there was a Muslim question, I'd be much more inclined to give it some credibility.  If you don't think the Muslim question is not on Barack's mind then you don't know the relentlessness and weight of smear politics.  The tactic works because it drives candidates off message and distracts voters with lies.  Most importantly it works.   See swiftboaters for truth circa 2004.  So tell me, Russell, what does John McCain really stand for? Does he want to do away with earmarks with the earmark queen by his side?

And I quote... "If I tell the world I am not Santa (for earmarks), but then in three interviews refer to myself as Santa (the earmark queen), makes you wonder why I have Santa (earmarks) on my mind so much?? Is it because I am really Santa (for earmarks)???"

Something everyone should consider no matter who you support.

WOMEN WAKE UP! SHE CALLED US A FEMALE PIT BULL! A BITCH! HOW DARE HER!
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The Washington Post reported Tuesday that Palin had billed the state a per diem for 312 days she spent at home, and requested reimbursement for plane rides and hotel rooms for her husband and children, including a $707 room when her daughter accompanied her on a trip to New York to attend a Newsweek forum. IS THIS BEING CONSERVATIVE?
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During her fall 2006 campaign for governor, Palin appeared to embrace the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," even after Alaska had been held up for ridicule by McCain and others for what was seen as a wasteful boondoggle, a $233 million bridge that would replace ferry service connecting Gravina Island and its Ketchikan airport to mainland Ketchikan.
In a debate, Palin said she would fight for the earmark to build the bridge. McCain and others sought to divert those funds to help fund Hurricane Katrina recovery. That prompted a threat from Stevens to resign from the Senate for such discrimination against his state. IS THIS BEING CONSERVATIVE?

Wow she billed less than any other governor and could have asked for 3 times what she received.  Sounds conservative for me.  She got rid of the plane to nowhere.   And all the other crap that you have said has been debunked. She got rid of the chief that came with the governors mansion  Conservative to me.

Obama and Biden voted to keep the money to the bridge to nowhere.   Man look up some facts before you start spouting out vile and untrue statements.

Alaska kept the money "earmarked" for the bridge to nowhere after the project was killed.  Does that sound conservative to you, Stix and Stoned?

It was already in the funds from the previous administration.   look it up before you start commenting about this.  She had no control over the money, it was already earmarked to go to Alaska.

What is it about women that people in the Left hate.   Obama and his cohorts went after Hillary with gusto and now they are throwing anything up to hopefully stick on Palin.  It is disgusting and coming from the Party that is supposed to be for women I am shocked that any women would vote for Obama.  

Man isn't the left supposed to be the ones that want to get along and be happy and sing kumbaya with eachother.  Except when women are involved I guess.

So how was she against it if she accepted the money?  First she was for it which meant she supported going after the money.  Then she was against it after the money was secured.  What good is that?  Well, it doesn't matter anyway.  Her absurd claims regarding the bridge to nowhere will be absent from her speeches from now on because it's so blatantly misleading.  I doubt you will hear the words, "bridge to nowhere" crossing her lipsticked lips again.....

When she was running she was lukewarm about it.  She was wanting to get it if the costs would not be that big.  But when it evntually got to $400 million she said no.  But by this time CONgress had already stopped it and they had already gave the $223 to Alaska and the former governor.  So she used it for other projects.

c'mon stix- just when you were making intelligent remarks you go and sink into the mud- you seriously can't be claiming that conservatives are supportive of progress for women!  You actually just got a chuckle out of me.

What happened to, "thanks but no thanks?"  If you take the money, you take the money.  That's more like thanks and cha ching, to me.  Isn't one of Father Time's pillars no more earmarks?  Alaska is #1 in per capita earmarks.  Arizona is #50.  What does that say about McCain's commitment to this fundamental theme in his campaign?  It's disingenuous to claim the reformer role when you are accepting 200 plus million in earmarks for one project (700 plus million overall).  Keep in mind we are talking about 600 thousand people in total. 

Everyday, parts of this farce come undone.  It's not a woman thing or a lipstick thing or a knocked up teen thing.  It's a Sarah Palin as political wallpaper thing.  It's a Sarah Palin, not ready for prime time thing.  It's a Sarah Palin, false reformer, questionable record, political neophyte thing.  It's only been 3 weeks, 1 speech (given over and over) and 1 interview and the wheels are already coming off.  You can't hide her forever.  She can't the media and the American public and tough questioning forever.

Sure, she's attractive. Inexperienced, but attractive. Unqualified, but attractive. Overly aggressive, but attractive. She has an over-inflated sense of vengeance, but she's attractive.

C'mon - can't we do better than to elect Caribou Barbie?

isn't this a singularly wonderful country, where we get to vote for who we like?

You liberal whinos crack me up. You're content to split hairs over whether or not Sarah Palin did or did not accept money to build a bridge. Let's bring it back to reality folks.

The choice is between Republicans who want to keep government small versus Democrat fanatics who want to give handouts to everyone, including the rest of the world. I'm sorry, but I don't think I can vote for someone who wants to solve all of the world's problems at the expense of American taxpayers. Barack cannot win.

Oh, Mr. Pendleton, perhaps you should stick to the t-ball league. Last time I checked being overly-aggressive is not a bad thing in politics. It's a shame more politicians aren't overly aggressive when it comes to decision-making or just voting Yea or Nay (see Barack's sham of a voting record in the Senate). And please--Caribou Barbie. Grow up. That's as pathetic as calling Barack--Mr. T--"I pity the fool." Come to think of it, maybe Obama should make that his new campaign slogan.

Hey and by the way, let's not forget that Joe Biden was bashing Obama just a few months ago in debates. Now, all of sudden, he is singing the man's praises. Give me a break Joe. You're embarrassing yourself.

"What do you think of the Bush Doctrine?"  "In what sense?"
Dear Lord- the Ice Princess got served.  



In my mind, I can only imagine her flubbing other lob balls tossed her way:
What do you think of the first Amendment? "In what sense?"
What do you think of corporate welfare? "In what sense?" 


Did any of you notice that she winked during her interview- not a nervous thing because it worked perfectly into her conversation.  For someone who is overusing the sexism button, she sure uses her sexuality to her advantage.  


I was offended by the Caribou Barbie comment, but I honestly think it's fitting.

She is DEFINITELY getting a bum rap...can you imagine how pissed Hil-dawg is that Palin will get closer to the Presidency than she ever did? But on the other hand, Clinton may want McCain/Palin to win so she can run again in 4 years. Check out the Obama Soundboard at http://www.obamasoundoff.com. I CAN'T believe some of the things Obama has said before...

I would like to know why the big bad libs are soo afraid of one little Gov from Alaska. They have beaten on and berated her nonstop since her RNC speech. Their fear is palpable and drives their actions. You can see it in their eyes during every conversation. So afraid, in fact, that they cut the answers on the interview last night to, for the most part, one sentence talking points. As if to imply she had no idea and was just repeating. She expounded on almost every point last night, funny how that was left out of the aired interview. Libs are in meltdown mode, thank you Sarah.

The democrats are scared and they should be, but Republicans need to be careful.  We are the underdogs in this fight and its important not to get to over confident. There were elements in Sarah Palin's interview last night that had me a bit concerned from a stylistic standpoint. She needs to be her own person and I think she is conforming too much to mirroring John McCain. We like Sarah so much because she is BETTER then McCain, more conservative and frankly more likable. Over at nancysinsights.blogspot.com we talk about what she needs to do for the next interview to stay on offense because the democratic "wolves" are coming after her big time.

Remember, dear detached conservatives, your candidate is John McCain. And he is no Reagan Republican. He believes in a woman's right to chose. He wants to limit your contributions to your political parties. He believes in human-caused climate change. He admits he knows nothing about the economy. He doesn't mind more illegal immigrants. He negotiated the compromise with Democrats on the Senate filibuster. He opposes drilling in ANWR. My friends, once your infatuation with the hockey-mom from Wasilla fades, you must face reality. Your candidate is the Arizonan, not the Alaskan.

Sarah Palin Fever!!!!!!!!
I have to admit, I'm a liberal and I AM afraid of Palin.  You are right.  I'm scared to death that Carl Rove has possessed someone who used to be my least hated Republican (McCain) and convinced him to take a nominee who satiates the extreme right's need for a religious doctrine being pushed in Washington despite the fact that he had met her once and really doesn't agree with half of what she stands for!  That is, what she stands for today- because that part is still really fuzzy to me.


In addition, I am scared that fervor over her $300 glasses and sexy librarian hairstyle (she is hot- I'll own that) will seduce Walmart shopping moms with no health insurance and stable job opportunities earning $.70 for each dollar that her male coworker makes to vote for her because she likes her.  Because if that happens, she becomes MY vice president - and if any of you care to think about it- YOU were the one's who created the calamity that put her in that position!  


Yes- Sarah Palin terrifies me.  Thank you, fellow American, for taking glee in my terror.  Your American spirit is uplifting.


"Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes...........
Turn and face the strain- Changes
Where's your shame? You've left us up to our necks in it"
- David Bowie.

Thanks for your comments, Mike.   I agree with everything you say.  i have been reading these blogs in the last few days and am really puzzled and amazed at the lack of knowledge people have about both parties.  When i post a comment and detail the truth about why Obama is the wrong choice for any hardworking American, it is ignored.  Neither party is perfect but the differences are clear.  why would anyone want a bigger government when it has been proven that it can't run efficiently.  there are huge wastes and the bigger it gets the more control it has on the American people.  The government is not there just for people's comfort or for a handout!  People need to start being responsible and manage their own lives and should not expect the government (us)  to hand them money.  40% of the people in the US do not pay taxes (except for social security)!  why?  they pay nothing toward supporting our solders or toward helping our government run.  I went back to school as a single parent of a six-year old and received my undergraduate and went on to finish graduate school.  I supported my child on my own and worked long hourse for everything i had (no help).  there were a lot of nights i would study all night only to work all the next day.  if i can do it so can others.  i take pride in the fact that i set an example for my son to follow.  he is now 22 years old and in college working his way into a very sucessful career.  i'm so proud of him.  he is so responsible.  i started saving just $5 a week for his college when he was little and could not afford clothes, a new car, a decent place to live or vacations.  however, I MADE it.  why should i give more of my already overtaxed paycheck to people who can do for themselves?  it is absolutely the most stupid and ridiculous concept i've ever heard of.  when the businesses have to pay more taxes under the obama plan, they will pass it on to the consumers, lay off employees and/or close their doors completely and possibly move to another country where they don't have to deal w/the BS.  Businesses will NOT be able to compete in the global marketplace under Obama's dictatorship!  the oil companies are a different issue and the loopholes need to be closed; however, small business make up the majority of businesses in the US and will suffer.  JOBS WILL BE LOST!  any fool knows that, especially in this economy!!!!!!!!!!!  how stupid can people be to focus on the petty crap and not pay attention to the real issues.  i won't get into our retirement savings being taxed at a higher rate and people won't be able to live!  THIS IS OBAMA'S TAX PLAN!  ATTENTION ALL DEMOCRATS:  do you get it now or are you still crying about issues that won't matter if we don't have JOBS and can't feed our families??  i haven't seen one single blog from the democrats that dispute what i'm saying because it is the truth.  if they don't understand or know about it, they need to do their own research!

You are soooo welcome!!!!!

It is really nice to know that my little contribution can help.

Funny how you all keep beating on her for her glasses and hair style (and you
forgot to mention the jet and the e-bay thing, that's on of the lib favs), you
cling to that like I cling to my guns and religion. Let's not talk about Husseins
inexperience and all his many position changes (which really aren't that many
since you have to have a position first), let's talk about Palin's hair!!!!!

The more you bring it up, the happier it makes me.

Toodles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, Mike.  I agree with your comments.  in reading these blogs, i have been really amazed how little people know about both parties.  it is known that government cannot manage efficiently.  democrats are for more programs (charity), which in turn will make the government bigger.  Our tax dollars are being spent unwisely already by both parties.  Obama wants to raise taxes on a certain group of people.  why?  i was a single mother of a six-year old son and was barely making ends meet with two jobs.  i didn't blame others for my problems so i got off my A.. and went back to school to earn a living and not for my enjoyment.  i worked long hours and received my undergraduate degree and my graduate degree.  i would go days without sleeping but made it with no help from anyone including the government.  i couldn't afford clothes, a good car or vacations for years and years.  however, I MADE IT!  so can others.  this country is based on hardworking folks who started from nothing and worked their way to success.  they didn't except handouts or charity.  they didn't expect others to pay for the children they decided to have.  every blog i post is ignored by democratics because they would rather argue over stupid, petty comments.  40% of americans do not pay taxes except for SS.  they don't pay for soldiers who fight for them or for any services the government provides.  how wrong is that?  i worked hard and so can others.  there are exceptions, i.e. the elderly, disabled, etc.  however, most folks are able to work but decide they want to complain instead about the crappy jobs they have because they made wrong choices.  i set an example for my son and he is in college right now and will have a bright future.  ATTENTION DEMOCRATS:  if Obama becomes president, taxes for businesses will increase and the extra costs will be passed to the consumers (us).  companies who are not able to recoup the expense will layoff employees (us) and/or close their doors.  oh and to compete in a global marketplace, they will open up overseas.  with this economy it will definitley happen.  if we lose our jobs and can't feed our families, you won't be worrying about the petty crap you've been discussing!  if you still are confused do your own research and learn about the economy and put the pieces of the puzzle together for yourself!

Thanks, Mike.  I agree with your comments.  in reading these blogs, i have been really amazed how little people know about both parties.  it is known that government cannot manage efficiently.  democrats are for more programs (charity), which in turn will make the government bigger.  Our tax dollars are being spent unwisely already by both parties.  Obama wants to raise taxes on a certain group of people.  why?  i was a single mother of a six-year old son and was barely making ends meet with two jobs.  i didn't blame others for my problems so i got off my A.. and went back to school to earn a living and not for my enjoyment.  i worked long hours and received my undergraduate degree and my graduate degree.  i would go days without sleeping but made it with no help from anyone including the government.  i couldn't afford clothes, a good car or vacations for years and years.  however, I MADE IT!  so can others.  this country is based on hardworking folks who started from nothing and worked their way to success.  they didn't except handouts or charity.  they didn't expect others to pay for the children they decided to have.  every blog i post is ignored by democratics because they would rather argue over stupid, petty comments.  40% of americans do not pay taxes except for SS.  they don't pay for soldiers who fight for them or for any services the government provides.  how wrong is that?  i worked hard and so can others.  there are exceptions, i.e. the elderly, disabled, etc.  however, most folks are able to work but decide they want to complain instead about the crappy jobs they have because they made wrong choices.  i set an example for my son and he is in college right now and will have a bright future.  ATTENTION DEMOCRATS:  if Obama becomes president, taxes for businesses will increase and the extra costs will be passed to the consumers (us).  companies who are not able to recoup the expense will layoff employees (us) and/or close their doors.  oh and to compete in a global marketplace, they will open up overseas.  with this economy it will definitley happen.  if we lose our jobs and can't feed our families, you won't be worrying about the petty crap you've been discussing!  if you still are confused do your own research and learn about the economy and put the pieces of the puzzle together for yourself.

Thanks, Mike.  I agree with your comments.  in reading these blogs, i have been really amazed how little people know about both parties.  it is known that government cannot manage efficiently.  democrats are for more programs (charity), which in turn will make the government bigger.  Our tax dollars are being spent unwisely already by both parties.  Obama wants to raise taxes on a certain group of people.  why?  i was a single mother of a six-year old son and was barely making ends meet with two jobs.  i didn't blame others for my problems so i got off my A.. and went back to school to earn a living and not for my enjoyment.  i worked long hours and received my undergraduate degree and my graduate degree.  i would go days without sleeping but made it with no help from anyone including the government.  i couldn't afford clothes, a good car or vacations for years and years.  however, I MADE IT!  so can others.  this country is based on hardworking folks who started from nothing and worked their way to success.  they didn't except handouts or charity.  they didn't expect others to pay for the children they decided to have.  every blog i post is ignored by democratics because they would rather argue over stupid, petty comments.  40% of americans do not pay taxes except for SS.  they don't pay for soldiers who fight for them or for any services the government provides.  how wrong is that?  i worked hard and so can others.  there are exceptions, i.e. the elderly, disabled, etc.  however, most folks are able to work but decide they want to complain instead about the crappy jobs they have because they made wrong choices.  i set an example for my son and he is in college right now and will have a bright future.  ATTENTION DEMOCRATS:  if Obama becomes president, taxes for businesses will increase and the extra costs will be passed to the consumers (us).  companies who are not able to recoup the expense will layoff employees (us) and/or close their doors.  oh and to compete in a global marketplace, they will open up overseas.  with this economy it will definitley happen.  if we lose our jobs and can't feed our families, you won't be worrying about the petty crap you've been discussing!  if you still are confused do your own research and learn about the economy and put the pieces of the puzzle together for yourself

LOOK!  SEE THE SHINY BRIGHT OBJECTS!
No American, let's not talk of hair....let's talk about her(Sarah Palin's)
lack of understanding of the issues.  She had no clue as to what the "Bush Doctrine" is........the cornerstone of a McCain Administration's foreign policy.  Sarah is just a bright, shiny object to divert attention away from the real problem-John McCain.
You speak of Obama's inexperience, yet it was precisely the EXPERIENCE of Washington insider John McCain that has brought us  a $10BILLION/month war and $4/gallon gas.

Keep it up guys.   You are making yourself look worse and worse everythiome you make these ridiculous claims.  

Thed "Bush Doctrine" is not one big condensed thing.   Ask the man that coined it, it was when Bush left the Kyotos Treaty off the table, and had nothing to do with ,military affairs.   Then it chenged after 9/11 to  a Strike First Doctrine, which was the same as Reagan's JFK'a and pretty much every other President.

Keep it up  Keep it up

I am as conservative as they come and a pentecostal christian to boot. But the past eight years have just been too bad to keep ignoring, the country is just one -more- bad -president away from the third world. We need a group of critical thinkers at the helm right now or we are all going down. Dont mean to sound alarmist but I just cant trust Palin to handle things if McCain falls down dead. Sure she's a great christian but I wouldn't want my sunday school teacher running the country. I'm not convinced she's a visionary leader right now, common sense is'nt always so common.

bowie,
-Got some good thoughts on ch ch changes!
I should be obvious from any critical analysis that the man with 26 years on the job inside the beltline has failed to understand that we are as bowie said....
" the country is just one -more- bad -president away from the third world"
Well put!

For someone who came to the US from Europe and thought European press was biased and one-sided, the recent developments in the presidential campaign have been absolutely astonishing. The US press has thrown away any pretense of balance and fairness. It has morphed into an almost unanimous mouthpiece for Obama while questioning every minuscule statement made by republicans.

Consider this. The press had an absolute field day with Sarah Palin's 17-year old daughter's pregnancy. Yet the same press almost completely ignored the persistent rumors about John Edwards' affair. Only the National Enquirer, which in any case is not a good standing member of the "official" press, investigated this for about a year. Yet no one bothered to check. Only when Edwards revealed the facts himself did it become clear that the democratic presidential candidate had an ongoing affair while running for president. Yet Palin's daughter got so much scrutiny you could fill an entire year's worth of newspaper clips.

Journalists and democratic lawyers are now rummaging the archives of the Wasilla town hall in the hopes of digging up dirt. Yet nobody has apparently looked into the earmark that Obama steered to his wife's employer, shortly after becoming a US senator. He got the hospital $1m, and shortly after that the hospital tripled Michelle Obama's salary, from 121k to 316k. In most other countries this would be considered illegal, but few journalist in this country seem to care.

At the same time the media is castigating Sarah Palin for mentioning that she put the Alaska governor's jet up on eBay. Ah, the outrage goes, but the jet wasn't actually *sold* on eBay. The governor had to use an airline broker to sell it. The Associated Press devoted several pieces and coverage to this "revelation" and it was picked up by mainstream media.

This pettiness is truly unbelievable. Who in the world cares whether Palin sold the jet on eBay, Amazon.com or the local swap meet? The fact is, she put it on eBay, it didn't attract enough buyers there, so they got a broker to sell it. Bottom line: the jet is gone and Alaska's tax payers are better off.

I simply cannot recall a coverage more biased against the republican ticket than what we're witnessing now. I wonder if most Americans are tuning out at this point, resigned to the fact that they will have the last word in the voting booth on November 4th.

http://www.scepticalrepublican.blogspot.com

WoW! Really?
It's petty to question Palin for statements that are obviously not "fact based" such as her support for the bridge to nowhere, or her hiring a lobby to secure earmarks when she is supposed to be the Maverick against them?
-That is the job of the press!

SR:
What do you say to the fact that when the McCain handlers were questioned about their clearly underhanded tactics in their latest advertisements, they admitted that above-board tactics did not work and that they are "in this to win." This is why the press have turned on them: they admit that they are diverting the issues because they "know the press will eat up valuable time" trying to debunk them. The more outlandish, the more time it eats up, and the Obama camp will waste time defending them instead of tying Bush to McCain.

To continue:
Lincoln once said something like, "If you don't stop telling lies about me, I'll start telling the truth about you." I think McCain would lose a mudslinging contest: womanizer, crashed 3 or 4 jets due to his reckless flying, started and affair with Cindy (picked her up in a bar in Hawaii), divorced his wife who was recovering from a car accident. (He did pay for her 23 operations after the divorce, how kind.) These are his words, not mine (except for the "how kind").  His biography claims that his reckless days were “changed” by Vietnam and some pundits claim you “have to cut him slack” for his divorce due to his war experience. But he claims he came back a better man after the war; it was after the war that he dumped his wife for Cindy.

As to character:
I’ve always felt character was defined by lack of hypocrisy; convictions are only as good as when they are tested. My second belief is that character is not defined by your mistakes, but by the direction you head after making them.

I didn’t care whether Edwards had an affair or not; I did care that he self-righteously went after everyone else that did.

I didn’t agree with McCain, but at one time, I gave him full marks for standing up and saying when he felt that he had failed (i.e., giving into the Vietnamese due to torture). I did expect him to run a clean campaign after Rove swiftboated him in 2000.

But don’t take my word for this, go to Politifact.com and see where the bias is; Obama has gotten a few things wrong, but when he is corrected, he doesn’t repeat them.

skeptical republican--you are absolutely correct.  for those folks who continually think that Palin should have "come clean" about the airplane:  what in the world difference does it make how it was sold and she was right to talk about more important issues.  if she had gone into detail about every single subject she spoke about, you would be complaining how long and detailed her four-hour speech was.  I think the republicans on this blog are being too nice.  Obama has some issues with the "associates" he hung around with and his lies.  How many times do you guys need to hear that every politician stretches the true and lies.  it is in both parties.  so now that we have that cleared up, can we discuss the big issues affecting our country today.  Due to the magnitude of our problems, i think they are more important.  am i missing something here?  aren't the democrats in charge of congress?  why are you blaming McCain for everything that is wrong?  i know you wouldn't dare blame your own party for taking a vacation instead of actually WORKING!!!!  i was doing a little research today and read a lot about how everytime since the 80's that republicans try to address the issue of energy the democrats have knocked it down.  so............................  to be fair you can put the blame on both sides.  Bush is what he is and i haven't liked all of his policies.  I can say that we are in this war and the culture of the mideastern countries include the "talk is cheap and show me" attitude.  we may not like it and want to get out but we can't.  extremists prey on the weak and we have been shown that time and time again.  i don't won't to pay for the war either but we have to stay to protect ourselves at this juncture because of their culture.  by the way, the democrats in congress should start doing their job and ensure the money that we are spending is not being wasted.  every dime should be accounted for.  the democrats have a hand in this too and should get up off their Asses and do their part.  bitching about it gets them no where.  so call your senators like i do and don't stop until you get the issues that are important to you corrected.  i have done that in the past and have had to remind them who they are working for.  by the way, the analysts on both sides have said that the question about the Bush doctrine would have confused them too and it needed to be clarified.  get over it!

Jack...
Conservation and alternative energy was part of Carter's plan way back in 1978...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps...
Then Reagan wins the election in 1980 and that plan is trashed in favor of obtaining "Arab" oil. Just think if we had continued to follow Carter's lead....we wouldn't be in this fix we are now in.  McCain's been in Washington for 26 years........I wonder when he first heard of peak oil?

David:

look at how many times the democrats have rejected drilling here?  i researched it today and went back to the '80s.  both parties are at fault.  i just am tired of all of the blame put on one party.  we all know that both parties have failed us.  if you have read any of my previous posts, you will see that i blame both side for a lot of things.  however, since the democrats have been in control this time, they have failed us!  Bush is Bush and i don't like most of what he has done.  that has nothing to do with republicans as a whole because the republican bylaws have not been followed by most folks in Washington today.

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For the record, I have voted Republican just about all of my life, not anymore.
 
As to blame on one party, even the Republicans blame Bush: he was asked not to come to his own party; he was not mentioned in the speeches; the Republicans are ashamed of his record. Look at all the scandals in a party that promised to “return integrity to the White House.” Palin claimed she had “nothing to hide” in Troopergate and even asked the legislature (not a personnel board) to “hold <her> accountable.” What did she do when they took her at her word? The same thing that the Bush administration has done for years, stonewall and claim partisan politics. (They don’t tell you that, according to ABC, the group that is accusing her has more Republicans than Democrats on it.) This is “returning to integrity?” Bush went in claiming “personal accountability” and has done anything but. And now the Republicans are asking us to “trust” them. 
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Jack,
Actually, the president leads, not congress.  We as a nation have put all our eggs in the oil basket, which helped the oil industry, but hasn't done much for the American consumer.  Had we followed J. Carter's lead, we might not be in this energy fix today.
In April 1978, President Carter spoke to our Nation about energy:
"It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps...

-How perceptive he was, however the revision put on history since then has been quite harsh to Jimmy, and glorifying to Reagan.  But Reagan's energy policy was to purchase more Mid-East oil.  In retrospect, that really wasn't so smart, huh?
So, since 1980, we've had 20 years of Republican leadership, and 8 years of Democrat leadership......and $4/gal gas.   Our present situation is due to peak oil, which Carter("the worst president ever.....")warned us of!

OOPS!.......Typo
Actually it was April 18, 1977, not 1978.  My apologies.

They've even got this Sarah Palin Baby Namer Generator thing . . . which is kind of funny, but still. http://www.personal-space.com/palin

John Stewart shows himself to be the only real "newsman" out there....

http://www.bsalert.com/artsearch.php?fn=2&a...

Instead of pundit spin on S. Palin......we get to see Rove argue with Rove,
And see exactly how O'Reilly is a PINHEAD!
Check it out republicans, if you dare.....

As I sit here writing this my two young children are tucked into bed, save and secure. They are secure because they have two parents who love them and who love each other. This love and security comes from, and is returned to, a loving God who provides for us the path to these precious gifts. That path includes the honesty and integrity that allows us to take the responsibility to provide for these children in a way that will allow them to become parents and leaders in their time. We are blessed by faith, family and community. But increasingly this path is obscured by bad examples and the distractions of evil.
Like most conservatives, I was not all that comfortable with McCain but maybe for different reasons. Fidelity is too important of a virtue to make excuses for its absence. Oh, I know that forgiveness is also a Christian virtue. And as a man McCain should be forgiven, no matter how long suffering his infidelity. Not because of the horrific circumstances that might have built an excuse but because, by all indications, he has amended those ways. But can we afford to be so lenient with the symbol that is the leader of the free world.
At first I thought that Sarah Palin would be the fortification that would allow me to look past McCain’s past. This looked like the solid Christian family that would provide the example that is so important. But that image quickly faded as it became clear that she put ambition ahead of family. Her children seemed more like a distraction to be endured at the office. Are we so afraid of the Democrats mean spirited assault on family values that we will shrink from stating the obvious? A 17 year old daughter pregnant out of wedlock is not an indictment on the child; it is an indictment on the parents. Suggesting otherwise is, in my opinion an abdication of support for family values.
Then I found out that Palin herself had become pregnant out of wedlock though she quickly eloped to try to cover the fact.
There is a path to the precious gifts of Gods abundant love. Liberals have succeeded in obscuring that path with claims that women must be equal to men in all things. Women do not have to play the same role as men to be equal. Motherhood and caring for the family are sacred jobs even if they are not as glamorous.
While I am not about to support the Democrats, neither will I allow family values to become the point on which I will compromise to elect conservatives. I’m tired of being made to feel ashamed because I recognize the sacred job that women have to do as mothers and wives. Do you really want to support a ticket that makes excuses for adultery, pregnancy out of wedlock and absent mothers? Where do you draw the line?

I saw this somewhere and this was a good way of looking at things. The title said " WHO WOULD YOU HIRE FOR THE JOB"
Let's look at the educational background of the
candidates and see what they bring to the job:
Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a
specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna *** Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in
political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899
(meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of
his class)
Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism
I have to admit that I would not even give MCSAME/PALIN would not be able to even get an interview with me!!!!!

Sarah Too  - thanks for your perspective and I understand your point of view.  Let's face it ... everyone makes mistakes (I have and still do a lot); but let's take the specs out of our own eyes before attempting to take it out of someone elses. 

Granted, McCain may not be the most conservative, not even close is cto Palin; but you have to look at leadership capability when voting. A leader is someone who will not ask someone to do something without doing it himself, first.  McCain has clearly demonstrated that and I believe that he will truly "put this country first" before any stupid political party. 

Palin is a mom and she is struggling in the same situations as many american moms do today.  I am the father of two girls; and I try and raise them as best as I can and teach them the values that are important to me.  I know they are going to make mistakes in life and that's a bridge I will have to cross when the time comes.

take the items that have been a problem for Palin and attribute them to Obama- 
let's say his daughter - under-age, was with child.
or that he gave an address to a group of individuals  encouraging those that hate america, hate the flag, and want to part company with america- let's say his wife was a member of this group for 7 years-
let's say that he abused his position by hiring unqualified high-school friends for positions of importance far beyond their intellectual ability.
let's say that he examined ways to have certain types of books removed because they held a view different from his own.
let's say he repeated slurs and lies and encouraged others to do the same while the mainstream media looked the other way.
Palin is guilty of all of the above.
If Obama had done ANY ONE of the above, he would be dust.
hmmm... looks a lot different if the shoe were placed elsewhere.

Sarah Too,

I have to admit that I was gearing up for attack mode about half way through your post.  Then you took an unlikely turn.  I am a Barack Obama supporter.  I know he is a better choice for the future of this country than John McCain but let me put that to the side for a moment.  The honesty of your post struck me.  Admittedly, you began by sounding like so many self righteous right wingers.  The difference is that you actually have principles AND a brain AND a heart.  I like that an adulterer is not good enough for your president.  I like that you see Sarah Palin for who she is and not some idealized symbol whose obvious shortcomings are being ignored by one side and pummeled by the other.  That brings me back to Barack.  The same can be said about my candidate.  I freely admit that.  There is a big part of me that WANTS him to be everything to all people.  He embodies the infinite hope of an optimistic future and a fundamental change of course for a country conceived and built by racists and slave owners.  I don't say that as an attack or complaint.  I say it as historical fact.  Thomas Jefferson, great American, founding father, slave owner.  There's no dispute.

What I really want to say to you, Sarah Too, is thank you.  It's rarely sincerely said in these posts.  I'm saying it because I sensed real honesty.  You, quite frankly, have the profile of a McCain supporter; conservative, religious, maybe a tad behind the times (women should have equal opportunities IF they have earned them).  Even though you won't vote for Barack Obama, I'm guessing because of abortion or Rev. Wright or whatever, you know he has not cheated on his wife or otherwise acted immorally.  You know he has forsaken worldly riches to help the less fortunate when he didn't have to.  You know he has had his faith challenged in a way none of us could ever possibly understand.  You know he is a family man.  Of course, none of these attributes score big political points these days but, win or lose, these things about Barack are true and can't be changed or modified for an election.  I'm glad you took time to post today but rest assured I will defend and attack for Barrack Obama because I believe in the man.  I pray you find resolution and select a candidate that you believe in too.

Toe - yup, your analysis is so true.

McCain/Palin = BAD-EVIL-RIGHT-WING-CONERVATIVE-RELIGIOUS-BEHIND-THE-TIMES-BAD-COMPUTER-ILITERATE-WAR-MONGERS-BAD-ADULTERERS-PARENTS-OF-PREGNANT-CHILDREN-(OMG)-BAD-CHRISTIAN-THINK-LIFE-IS-MORE-IMPORTANT-THAN-INCONVENIENCE-EVIL-WRONG-FOR-THE-COUNTRY-BIBLE-THUMPING-JUST-BAD-PEOPLE

AND

Obama/Biden = ACCOMPLISHED-POLITICIANs-THAT-WILL-BRING-HOPE-BACK-TO-THE-AMERICAN-PEOPLE

And anyone who disagrees with you/Walters/SimonesDad are just the same.

Yeah know, I will go on the record to say that I really do think that Obama will win this election for various reasons. I truly hope that this man can live up to ALL of your fallacious expectations and make this country great again and be accepted by all the countries that want him in office. I’ll be watching in the background.

Sarah Too: I agree with Simonesdad2008, I too would like to thank you for your conservative and heartfelt response. I voted Republican most of my life; at one time, I felt that they held a banner for morality in this country; the Democrats seemed just too live-and-let-live. I lost a wife to cancer: a week before she died, I asked the doctor if there was anything that could be done; she had colon cancer that had spread to her liver. He said, "Well, there is this procedure, (long pause), how much insurance do you have?" She was 24 and we had a 2-year old daughter. I don't know about all socialized medicine; they say that would not have happened in France. I just know it was wrong.

David--the president leads but congress is there to do their part also.  Congress has too much influence as we have seen and they can make a difference.  the democrats are in control now and are doing nothing.  i just think we need to look at the whole picture.  even if the president came up with a plan to solve all of the economic issues (wishful thinking), congress would veto it because they do not want anything to pass that would make a republican look good right now.  they are doing nothing on purpose at the expense of us.  put the blame on the president and congress.  the problems with the economy, however, are not all the president's fault.  he could lead and lead and make the best decisions ever, but as long as we have crooks in the business world and the government along with stupid people who have to buy things they can't afford, the President will not be able to control the problem.  McCain or Obama can't fix stupid!!!!

Jack.....
Leadership, it's what Clinton did to balance the budget with a Republican Congress.  It's what George Bush Jr. FAILED to do in 2001 when he handed the energy problem to Dick Cheney to work out in a closed session with oil executives.  Crooks in business?  That's why we use to have REGULATIONS but that was deemed a burden on business, so we relaxed regulations and industry people bribing Interior Dept. officials.
If the shoe fits, wear it.........and John McCain is ready to lead even more industry lobbys into his administration.

"The congress is in control now and they have done nothing" just doesn't cut it. There are 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and two Independents (one of which is Lieberman). This is not control. Anything they pass can be vetoed by Bush and they need a 2/3 majority to override it.

"The congress is in control now and they have done nothing" just doesn't cut it. There are 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and two Independents (one of which is Lieberman). This is not control. Anything they pass can be vetoed by Bush and they need a 2/3 majority to override it.

Damn Jack........
What's so secret about going on Television before the American people?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps...

Jimmy Carter delivered this televised speech on April 18, 1977.
Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.
It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century.
We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren.........
And he's been constantly maligned as the worst president in history!

Sen. Obama has recognized the cynical McCain strategy.Which is,for obvious reasons to focus on fear and smear,not issues.Keep fear and visceral emotions high via unfounded accusations,innuendo and lies.And thereby snare enough votes from the uninformed/lazy/ignorant/stupid...to steal the election.
With prayer,hope and effort,we and Sen.Obama can prevent this ruinous outcome for our nation.

Jack.......didn't mean to sound so angry, yet it came across that way.  But let me assure you, that you aren't the object of my anger!  Sorry!

Those of you who are voting for McCain/Palin - wake up and realize that they are LIARS. Realize that if McCain dies in office, Palin doesn't have the brains, or the experience to run this country. Please listen to the truth before you make that mistake and give your vote to them.

This website has collected most of the data out there on Palin.

Wake up!

http://votenotpalin.com

McCain has received a heaping dose of criticism late this week for launching a series of advertisements that could be categorized as dishonest if not downright lies. The Obama camp, in a memo to reporters Sunday morning -- entitled a "Dishonorable, Dishonest Campaign" -- highlighted a number of these pieces. Joe Klein, of Time magazine called one spot the "sleaziest" he had ever seen. Paul Krugman of the New York Times, defined the episode as a "blizzard of lies." On Sunday, the St. Petersburg Times, ran an editorial entitled: "Campaign Of Lies Disgraces McCain," while the Chicago Tribune's Steve Chapman, wrote that "to McCain the truth is expandable."

Toe,
it's like "strategic bombing" with lies.......it keeps the enemy disorganized.  Karl Rove may be a dough head, but he certainly isn't stupid.

SARAH PALIN IS A CUNT! Buy the t-shit and wear it with pride!

http://www.cafepress.com/palin_is_a_cunt

Keep it up Free Agent   Keep it up.   Just do not be surprised with a landslide for McCain/Palin.   With you and all your Liberal friends acting like little school kids, you are just pushing more and more people away from The One.   Not all Democrats are Far Left wing thinking people and have some sense that Obama is not the bringer of "Change and Hope".

just keep it up.  
McCain and Palin will thank you for pushing more adn more from the sinking of the Democrat Party to the far depths of Leftwing lunacy.

And Free Agent- you are disgusting.

wake up stix- McCain is using Palin to detract from the fact that he cannot handle the job. For almost 2 weeks Palin has been the topic while McCain stood to the side
smirking and twisting his wedding band... really, just look at the clips at any of their gatherings.
Fact is, while she went back to Alaska (where she received one of the loudest and visible protest against her seen yet-by her own people...and possibly the largest postest in Alaska history according to some reports) while there, McCain couldn't draw a mosquito...once again he was forced to resort to going where the people already were- at a race car event.

"Free Agent"  this word is as distasteful coming from you as it was coming from McCain.  We don't need this.  Please find something better to do that would indicate some class.

Here is the thing with the Grandma....America has become sensitized to competency.  You can't be a fool or a place holder or otherwise viewed as unfit to be in the office of the president.  We've had that for 8 years.  I don't say that as a cheap shot at Bush. Bush was exactly what we thought he would be as president when the country decided to put him in there twice.  He was long on personality and short on intelligence.  He seemed like a frat boy who fell ass backwards into the family business and was now the CEO.  He brought all of his buddies up from Texas and probably thought he could coast through at least one term, two if he was lucky.  Then 9/11 hit and it got real.  It directly contributed to his re-election but all of a sudden he needed his buddies and his dad's buddies to do some real sh*t.  Well all of those people are gone now.  There are two wars (one too many in my opinion), the economy and so on....we know the history.  My point is that Palin is reminiscent of that jump the line, not ready for prime time person who has no business even being in the conversation much less the White House.  Then when you look at her fiefdom known as Alaska and see some of the same patterns of abuse that are now synonymous with W/Cheney, it scares people.  What's even scarier is the idea that somehow she will be different at the federal level.  We've seen that people are what we think they are.  A country that put Bush in twice has a low bar for presidents which means Father Time and the Grandma could actually win.  Add in the race element, which no one wants to discuss, and we have ourselves a recipe for disaster.   We've seen this movie before and it's not pleasant.  We've gotten exactly what we have deserved with Bush at the helm.  If that is to your liking then have at it.  I, for one, want and pray for change.

simonesdad2008

This is comi ng from soneoe that thinks Obama has better qualifications than Palin for Presidnet.   PLease tell me exactly what if anything Obama has done that qualifies him better than McCain or Palin as Presidnet????  Pleae I really want to know what he has done that is so great.    He was a "Commmunity Organizer in Chicago", a State Senator by default becasue he got everyone else off the ballot, and pretty much had one of his friends in the courts realease divorce papers on his opponent for the US Senate.

And this is a man of Change?????  Seems like the same old Chicago Ploitics to me.
Andthen he picks Biden as his running mate.   The #1 Liberal with the #3 Liberal as his VP running mate.  Wow that is really going to get the Independents.  Even Sanders the Socialist is not as far left as Obama and Biden.

If the Dems keep on running the Socialists in their party they are going to loose half of their base.

Stix.....
What exactly has this vaunted "experience" done for the American Nation?
An expensive war that even Gen. Petraeus says is impossible to win and an economy that is totally screwed?  26 yrs. in congress seems to have only made McCain's Rolodex fat with lobbyist's numbers.  This isn't change, and he's no maverick..........just a repetition of the same!

You know, in all seriousness, I believe McCain and Obama to be equally qualified.  They are both US Senators.  It's a wash.  If you say McCain's been at it longer that's legitimate but not exactly an endorsement.  The Grandma has presided over 600 thousand in Alaska....and by the way, if you are implying that Chicago politics are corrupt and therefore Barack is tainted by that, have you taken a look at the politics of Alaska lately?  The Grandma was being investigated for ethics violations before anyone had ever heard of her.  Meanwhile, Barack was passing ethics reforms in the Senate.  So let's just call that a wash too.

My point was competency not qualifications.  You can say whatever you want about Barack.  You KNOW he is a competent man.  Is Barack qualified?  Absolutely!

Yes McCain has lobbyists, but Obamahas more Lobbyists in his campaign.

What has Obama's done that makes him special??? really I want to know.  From where I see, he is a Chicago Politician that is in the pockets of the Nutroots and George Soros.
Neither the Nutroots or George Soros should be anywhere near the White House.   Obama is a yes man for the far Left in the Democrat Party.  He is no force for change in anything. 

McCain has and will always be a thirn in the sideof many Conservatives in the Republican Party.  And Palin has managed to chage Alaskan politics.  She  has gotten rid of the Good Ole Boy Club that ran that state into the ground with corruption and graft.  She went after both Democrats and Republicans, something we need in Washington right now.   The Government has gotten too big and has taken over too much of everybody's lives.  We need someone that will bring real change, not Alisnki's change that has taken over Chicago.  Obama will just grow the government at the expense of every day normal Americans

SDo you mena the Political inquisition that  even the mainplayersw in the controversy sayPalin had nothing to do with them.  the People doing the Investigation are politically motivated, they are almost all Obama supporters.  Do you mean "Troopergate" that even MIke Gravel, no conservative said that Palin will come out on top of?????

Please, do not even compare Chicago polotics to any place other than maybe New Orleans which is even more corrupt.  It only makes you look more foolish.   Chicago is still run like it was back during Al Capone's day, just not as much out in the open as it was back then.

Right, Obama supporters created Troopergate?  Check the time line on that one, Stix.  You are right about one thing though.  Comparing Chicago and Alaska is no comparison.  Alaska ranks #1 in earmarks per capita.  700+ million for 600+ thousand people.  Those numbers would make even Chicsgo blush.  By the way, how was that 200 million earmarked for the bridge to nowhere allocated?  Just curious.

Stix.....
Let us keep in mind the KIND of lobbyists McCain keeps company with.  Phil Gram, who led the way for banking DEREGULATION! Wasn't he recently delegated to the back room because he tried to tell America was full of whiners?  No, we would do well NOT to have Mr. Gram's advice turned into policy, which will surely happen if McCain is elected.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2...

What kind of change would that be?

Troopergate is going to be moreharmful to Obama than Palin.  it is already a kangaroo court.   Themain investigator has given almost all of itto Obama's main supporter in Alaska, and he is quoing saying, "he will bring a October surprise".  The lead investigator, and the one overseeing the inquisition are all Obama supporters. the Trooper never got fired, the Safety Comminsioner said that neither Palin or her Husband told him to fire him.   The trooper tasered his step-childof 10, threatened Palin's parents, shot a moose illegally, and was caught drinking in his patol car. But he still hasa job because of the unions in Alaska.  He is interviewed with his union boss at his side.   But he has no ill will and said he had a troubled time while married to Palin's sister and is trying to get his life back together now.


And the$200 million went into othe projects that needed to be done around Alaska.  They built up the road to where the Bridge To No Where is because they will probably use a ferry  system instead.  And fixed up the infrastructure that was badly needed in Alaska

And Alaska deos need more oney than any other state,  It is the largest state and has the most sever weathe in the US.  So it is not that hard to understand they get more money than Illinois or any other state.

I'm reading through all of this and it's become so off topic my head is spinning.  I really didn't intend on contributing but, to quote one of my favorite public figures:  ENOUGH!!!!

Can we please examine the facts here- just the facts.

#1  Barack Obama and John McCain are the presidential candidates.  The other two are icing on the cake and chosen for their demographic and/or cultural appeal to get their chooser elected.  So let's compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.  All of you who keep comparing Palin to Obama (both libs and conservs) are diddling your belly buttons.  Get it straight and stop being media pawns.   Focus people- c'mon.

#2 Palin's babe appeal is sexist.  It's sexist for the Republican party to rely on it and it's sexist her to use it.  Lipstick on Sarah Palin, a pig, or the Bush doctrine is what it is- sexism.  Can we all zip up our flies and behave like grown ups now?

#3  If Sarah Palin is criticized, stop crying like babies.  She's like the girl who tried out for the boy's football team when my son was in 8th grade...except Palin made the team.  It was sexist when they shot that young girl down out of fear that the boys wouldn't play as hard with her on the field.  It is sexist for the 'boys' (ie media and Obama) to play less hard just because she's on the field.  Give the woman a chance!  Let her take the heat and stop calling Charlie Gibson mean- dear Lord he played patsy with her and she tanked.  To deny this because she's a 'girl' is sexist.

Thank you.

thank you Happy Camper. Point well taken.

Just so you know, a woman (Carly Fiorina) has just decreed that it is sexist when a woman portrays a woman as not being as substantive as another woman.
The McCain Republican Party ladies and gentlemen; now more P.C. than any Ivy League University.

The Mega flip flop?
John McCain masquerading as an anti-wall street populist.  Wasn't Phil Gram the architect of the Investment Banking Deregulation?  Wasn't he John McCain's "Economic Adviser"?
Wake-Up people!

It's pretty clear that the LEFT can't STAND it when a woman succeeds by going RIGHT.  Of course it doesn't seem to matter that the LEFT killed HILLARYS' nomination.  That WOMAN should have been the nominated DEMOCRAT and everybody paying attention knows it!  For Sen. OBAMA to snub her for the VP was a DISGRACE.

Sen. McCain pulled a political RABBIT out of the hat and rubbed the Dem's noses in it.  He should be given a WELL DONE!  It was masterful, just admit it.  Then move on.

This knee jerk reaction is normal, we're all human, even the FAR LEFT.  Accept that McCAIN got an early swing in and put OBAMA on the mat.  He's up now, let's see if he can last the full fight.  He's never had to fight for office before.  If he keeps his focus on PALIN, He'll end up being knocked out by a savvy McCAIN.  


And yes, she is cute.  She also happens to be more qualified than both of the candidates on the other side.  Now if it could only be HILLARY and PALIN together.


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Qualified at what?  Being Cute?
-How's that going to help her step in as chief exec.?

Again Dave, let's reverse your QUALIFICATION litmus test.

Let's just stick to the top shelf jobs shall we.  Anything less gives it to Palin hands down.  So let's be fair.

OBAMA - 3 years Senator from Illinois.  No authored bills.  Absent for approximately 2 years campaigning for top executive position in United States.  Voted party line when present.  Key votes missed.

Sounds ludicrous doesn't it? 

Wanna put that up against HILLARY??

Palin is a Governor and I for one am relieved to have at least ONE in the race.  So only ONE of the FOUR has actually already had EXECUTIVE experience.  One side TALKS, the other side WALKS.

On the woman issue as well apparently.  Democrats seem content to tear down any woman in their path, no matter which party.  How enlightened.

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Atleast Obama knows how to interview.......and can think on his feet.  Sarah falled that interview miserably.(C. Gibson's)    Perhaps that is because Obama is well versed on the issues and Sarah knowledge is more than just a bit......
uh, narrow(trying to be kind so as not to be branded sexist, lol)
Obama beat Clinton on the issues, in the primaries.  But sadly, in the general election, issues aren't that important to most voters as are perceptions.
There is no litmus test or resumé for prez.  Look at Lincoln's.....it was kinda thin.  But he proved himself in debates and it translated into history, thankfully for America.
SO vote or the clueless woman.  It's fine by me.  You probably voted for Bush 2 times also.  Maybe one day you'll figure it
out!

Bahahahahaha I needed um ah um ah um aum ah god laugh today.

i'd laugh too if it wasn't so sad
(the extreme prevalence of ignorance in America)
Stix.......the woman was CLUELESS!
DOE caught in the spot light look in her eyes!
When Charlie asked her about "The Bush Doctrine" ......she was stunned!

We should at least expect a potential leader to know the basics of our foreign policy and how this policy ended up costing the taxpayers
$10BILLION PER MONTH!
Did i mention that our preemptive war(Following "The Bush Doctrine")
is costing the taxpayers of The U.S.A. $10 Billion per month.....not year....month.

OBAMA is not qualified for the job.  He is certainly not more qualified than HILLARY. 

OBAMA does interview well when it is orchestrated and questions are approved.  He's a teleprompter guy.  He has a good memory, that's nice.   His wife Michelle is the smarter of the two.  He's the charmer, she's the brains (sound familiar?)

Thinking on his feet?  Guess you didn't watch the WARREN proto-debate.  McCAIN took him to the cleaners sir.  Had him cleaned and then pressed while he was at it.  Take away the teleprompter and watch the mediocrity levels rise.

GIBSON - What can I say, he's a hack.  What's his credentials, Good Morning America?  Latte news and diet tips?  Give me a break.

the question of the BUSH doctrine was baited in generalities.  PALIN answered correctly in wanting him to redefine his question.  If you were paying attention you would have seen that GIBSON had no idea what the BUSH doctrine is either.  the one he quoted is outdated and wrong.  Somebody memo that guy.  HACK JOB.

So Dave, ignore the whole Governor bit and vote for someone unqualified to lead a country let alone a small business.  What's that?  He never ran a business?  Never?  Well he gets my vote then.  I think you underestimate the duties of a President.


So G*D forbid something happens to President McCain, I will feel comfort in knowing that a Governor is taking his place.  Also a business owner and operator, as well as a Mayor, and a Mom, and a Patriot.  And yes a beauty contestant as well.  I believe a beauty contest shades out cutthroat politics any day.  Talk about competitive.  Jeesh!!

Don't worry Dave, someday you'll figure it out.

Always vote experience, always follow the money.

P.S.  I'm guessin Joe Biden has increased his personal security detail.   Not the right he's afraid of either.  GG.


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Like i've told ya time and time again......what has John McCain's experience done for us.  He was Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, and they saw fit to DE REGULATE investment banking.  Yeah, gotta love that deregulation, huh?
So keep you head in the sand and your mind in denial!  Repeat the conservative mantra over and over, and you may reach some sort of republican nirvana.  Hopefully it won't be in this world cause the way it's going now, it may be the end of this once great nation.

The  deregulation is not the problem, it was when Clinton was on power and made it easier for people to get loans.  It made giving loans to people that did not have the means to pay the loans off, a foot in the door.  

If you deregulate the housing market, you would not have these idiotic deals that people should have never been in the first place.  

It was both Democrats and Republicans that knew this was coming and did nothing to stop it.   My brother has been talking about this for years, and the bubble broke.  And we are all going to pay for it.

I will give you a bone in saying it was both the Dems and Reps that did not have the balls to stop this ridiculous practice, and let the good times roll like the .com bubble in Clinton's administration.

Stix......
" giving loans to people that did not have the means to pay the loans off, a foot in the door."
Thanx for defining Deregulation .  Again, the Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee wrote the bill with the help of industry lobbyist and Phil Gram.   When can you admit that republican policy has been a failure.  Investment Banking Regulations were instituted after similar scams led to the crash of 1929.
"The economy is fundamentally sound"
-Herbert Hoover(president in 1929)
Some never learn from past mistakes, what a waste!

And the Chairman was(Senate Commerce Committee)
JOHN MCCAIN!

And all the crooks in Fannie Mae and Fredie Mad are Obama advisors,



"Is Fannie Mae the Democrats' Enron?
During the Enron collapse of 2002, the public and the media were persuaded that Enron was somehow a Republican scandal, based on little more than senior management's history of contributions to the Republican party.
The ties between the Fannie Mae debacle and the Democratic party are much more intimate than that. Senior Democrats chosen for their political connections - James Johnson, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick - took tens of millions of dollars in compensation out of the company. The ties between the Obama campaign and Fannie Mae are especially intimate: not only did Johnson head Obama's veep-vetting operation, but we learn in this Washington Post article that the campaign that Raines is advising Obama on the mortgage crisis! Well, he should know. Let's just hope the Obama operation is able to keep Raines away from the accounting side of things. Even the amazing Obama fundraising operation could not afford that!
More seriously: Here is potentially the largest financial disaster in American history. The American taxpayer stands to lose billions; Democratic insiders have extracted tens of millions. If Enron was a party scandal ... what is this? "
 
a little more:
Watching from outside the limelight has been frustrating, said Raines, who has not spoken publicly about Fannie Mae since being charged by federal regulators with manipulating Fannie Mae's earnings in 2006. Rising from the working-class streets of Seattle to the highest levels of political and corporate life, Raines for more than a decade enjoyed a bully pulpit in Washington, first as head of the White House Office of Management and Budget under President Clinton and then as chief executive of Fannie Mae, where he was the first African American chief executive of a Fortune 500 company.
Raines settled charges brought by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight by agreeing this spring to pay $2 million and forfeiting $22.7 million in stock and other benefits. And though none of it will come out of his pocket -- the payment was covered by insurance -- he has not emerged unscathed. He and his wife of more than 25 years, Wendy, are separated. Their house, a 1910 colonial in Northwest Washington, is for sale. An old friend, former Time Warner chairman Richard Parsons, describes him as being "in strong recovery mode."
Which is, perhaps, more than Fannie Mae can say. Its employees have watched the value of their stock holdings drop precipitously, and it is not clear whether the company has reached bottom. Many resent Raines and others who left in better times.
The current Fannie Mae crisis unfolded even faster for the company than it did for Raines.
In October 2003, even as Raines was invited to the Bush White House to receive a leadership award on behalf of Fannie Mae, investigators were about to look into the company's accounting books. A year later, Congress held a hearing on accounting irregularities at the company. By the end of 2004, Raines was forced out by the board, accused by regulators of overseeing accounting manipulations to bolster his compensation.
 
You can read more here.
 
And this is Obama's advisor???

and here is some more

“The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

nice try....... THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE COMMERCE COMMITTEE  THAT WROTE THE LEGISLATION  THAT DEREGULATED THE INVESTMENT BANKING INDUSTRY......................WAS JOHN MCCAIN......
I think the person who writes the legislation is culpable, huh?

Keep trying, son!

It's interesting how much conservatives are crying sexism now, as opposed to all those years when Hillary Clinton was making a name for herself in politics, and overcoming all the old gender stereotypes about what a woman's role in society aught to be (how many Republican women serve in Congress?).

Now that McCain has tapped a woman who plays many of those stereotypes up as virtues, all of the sudden many conservatives are screaming sexism when people legitimately raise questions about her suitability for the oval office (we should be asking that of any candidate regardless of their gender) and McCain's motives for picking her. 

I wonder why she (or any other woman for that matter) did not bother to run in the Republican primaries. The truth is, sexism is still a major problem in our society, but conservatives who are whining about it now are at best disingenuous, and at worse hypocritical sexists themselves.

It's off topic. 

dave doesn't seem to understand the role of Fannie and Freddie.  De-regulating banks (just a slackening) does not make banks write bad loans.  It's the GUARANTEE of Federal Govt. backing on that loan that increases their willingness for risk.
It was the Clinton administration that pressured mortgage lenders where they could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high risk subprime loans now spilling blood all over Wall Street. 
Dave, you need to mine your data better sir.


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Well the facts are the sex of a candidate should be irrelevant.  Both parties ooze hypocrisy in this arena.  That being said, women have a better access to success in the Republican party.  Just ask HILLARY.

As for the ridiculous questioning of Governor PALIN'S (85% approval rating by the people who know her) executive experience, even OBAMA has said he doesn't think it's an issue. 
No one cries sexism if its just examining her political resume.  The sexism comes from all of the personal attacks upon her and her family.  That doesn't win voters by the way, it just makes you look small.


Quote question of the day:

who said:
""You can argue that nobody is ready to be president.  You can argue that even if you've been vice-president for eight years, that no one can be fully ready for the pressures of the office."

winner gets a brownie.

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Urban Conservative?  Why do you delete my posts?  The one showed up when I told the free agent that they were disgusting, but the one before that is deleted.  Do you censor your board?  I guess that since this isn't actually the press, you have that right, but it's very strange.  Care to explain?  Feel free to email me. I'm seriously curious. 
[email protected]

Phil Gramm spearheaded efforts to pass banking reform laws, including the landmark Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999, which served to reduce government regulations in existence since the Great Depression separating banking, insurance and brokerage activities.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mccains-good-bud...
The same Phil Gramm who was McCain's economic adviser?

According to Politico.com, Gramm had input on McCain's March 26, 2008 policy speech on the mortgage crisis.[11]

WoW!  Leadership the lobbyist can count on!

It is Phil Gramm who is paid to lobby, not Bill Clinton, my friend!

But is was as Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee that McCain Invented the Blackberry

Asked by reporters today about McCain's grasp of technological issues, senior policy adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin noted the Arizona senator's tenure as a former chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee. Then Holtz-Eakin held up his BlackBerry.
"He did this," Holtz-Eakin said. "Telecommunications in the United States, the premier innovation in the past 15 years, comes right through the Commerce Committee. So you're looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create. And that's what he did."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008...
 
WoW!  Smarter than Al Gore!

here is something to chew on

All Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
Name
Office
State
Party
Grand Total
Total from
PACs
Total from
Individuals


Dodd, Christopher J
S
CT
D
$165,400
$48,500
$116,900


Obama, Barack
S
IL
D
$126,349
$6,000
$120,349


Kerry, John
S
MA
D
$111,000
$2,000
$109,000


Bennett, Robert F
S
UT
R
$107,999
$71,499
$36,500


Bachus, Spencer
H
AL
R
$103,300
$70,500
$32,800


Blunt, Roy
H
MO
R
$96,950
$78,500
$18,450


Kanjorski, Paul E
H
PA
D
$96,000
$57,500
$38,500


Bond, Christopher S 'Kit'
S
MO
R
$95,400
$64,000
$31,400


Shelby, Richard C
S
AL
R
$80,000
$23,000
$57,000


Reed, Jack
S
RI
D
$78,250
$43,500
$34,750


Reid, Harry
S
NV
D
$77,000
$60,500
$16,500


Clinton, Hillary
S
NY
D
$76,050
$8,000
$68,050


Davis, Tom
H
VA
R
$75,499
$13,999
$61,500


Boehner, John
H
OH
R
$67,750
$60,500
$7,250


Conrad, Kent
S
ND
D
$64,491
$22,000
$42,491


Reynolds, Tom
H
NY
R
$62,200
$53,000
$9,200


Johnson, Tim
S
SD
D
$61,000
$20,000
$41,000


Pelosi, Nancy
H
CA
D
$56,250
$47,000
$9,250


Carper, Tom
S
DE
D
$55,889
$31,350
$24,539


Hoyer, Steny H
H
MD
D
$55,500
$51,500
$4,000





Both parties did not have the balls to take them on.
Too much money to loose in donations.

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my favorite republican......Bill Clinton

Well, my post showed up!  So I do have something to post here.  I think that many of us are trying to get our heads around the Sarah Palin factor- and many conservatives are trying to attack our disbelief and shock with accusations of sexism (an absurd accusation at the party who has backed up each and every pro-woman initiative).  However, there is something even deeper occurring here.  I have realized that in using the "gender-card," Republicans are actually conflating it with the "race-card."  There- I said it.  It never occurred to me until I read the (below) editorial, but this is a form of cultural/psychological attack where Republicans, in calling Democrats on the gender card are actually masking their OWN racism.  


<!--StartFragment-->This is Your Nation on White Privilege
By Tim Wise / September 13, 2023

For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll “kick their fuckin' ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”


White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.


White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.


White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.


White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”


White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.


White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.


White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a “light” burden.


And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain… <!--EndFragment-->

Do you know that Obama has more lobbyists than McCain in his campaign???

Lobbyists are not bad people.  They are there to petition government on yours and mine's behalf.   They lobby for both the right and the left.   You have Greenpeace Lobbyists, Oil company lobbyists, Indian Rights Lobbyists, and any other group you can think of that lobby government.

Yes, there is too much of a relationship between some lobbyists and CONgressmen, but that does not mean all of them are bad.   It is not uncostiitutional to lobby the government.   Whenever that happens, tyrrany reigns.  We have a right to petition government, and we can not all go to lobby our CONgreeman, so we have lobbyists.

Do not demonize all lobbyists.

Yes throw the one's that do illegal stuff, but do not demonize them all because of the few bad apples.

Real quick Dave, I don't a have a lot of time tonite.  The Clinton administration and its cronies were all over Freddie and Fannie in then 90's Dave.  Corruption was RAMPANT.  Ethics were violated.  The seed for the slow train wreck unfolding today lays at the Democrats feet Dave.  I can bury you in facts if that is your desire.

Last parting rebuttal.  Since when is it wrong to vote with your president?  he's a republican, wait, they are both republicans.  That is strange.  Just a by the way, the president doesn't write the bills, so no one votes for or against him.  It's just a phrase, don't go crazy with grief. 


OBAMA on the other hand Dave is a different story.

Let's flip that coin Dave.  Name a vote that OBAMA has actually voted on that went against the democratic party line.  How can you vote for someone who is a lapdog?  He's voted 100% down the line!  Impressive.  Gonna be CHANGE?  BS. 




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HoBo....
so lemme get this straight.  This has nothing to do with investment bank deregulation?  Wow!  Thanks for telling me. 
So John McCain (The Maverick) is going to set Washington on its head!

"John Green, the senator’s chief liaison to Congress, and Wayne Berman, his national finance co-chairman, billed more than $720,000 in lobbying fees from 2005 through last year to Ameriquest Mortgage through their lobbying firm, disclosure forms reviewed by the Daily News show."
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/31/john-m...

Naw, John McCain's really gonna change things HoBo!  I am thrilled, like all Americans should be!

Oh my God, someone making money being a lobbyist.   Better throw him in jail.  

You are a broken record.

HOBOBOH- regarding the  90's and lobbyists, you can bury us in facts, but facts are just data without any discernible meaning.  Had your boy W been a (*cough cough) man of foresight, he would have recognized these facts and taken measures to protect us from the resulting storm.  However, the "Unider not Deevider" skipped happily down the rose petal lobbyist path and landed us in dog-s**t.  Blaming Clinton for the Republican's mess is like blaming my last pregnancy on my high school boyfriend.  The sex was great, but I was using birth control.

Stix.....
a broken record?  I'm not here to change you, gosh i recognize a schist-head when i see one(it's a rock metaphor, like y'know...a hard head)........no it's for the consumption of those that may want to visit this site for whatever reason.....
And my bullshit radar is fully functional. 

"Oh my God, someone making money being a lobbyist.   Better throw him in jail."  We can redefine bribery any way we want to, but is this really in the interest of "We The People"?

So I guess it is the American way to produce legislation by bribery(essentially, that's what lobbys do).....
And this is what needs to change inside the beltline. 
McCain?  Change?  -an oxymoron

I like that David Walters- I think that's a tee shirt:
McChange is an oxymoron

Harrysmom.......139 was brilliant!
Way to go pointing these facts out!

Stix..........140  Lobbyist are bad when They write the laws that put money in their pockets, uh, this is blatant bribery.....and you can put lipstick on that pig, yet a pig it remains.
The Glass-Stegall Act was instituted in the Great Depression to end the abuses that led to that crash.
Lobbyist gutted that act, using Phil Gramm as their "agent of change"
producing the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which led to such practices as investment banks lending themselves money.......and our current meltdown. 
Phil Gramm is not the kind of change any working American would want whispering in McCain's ear in a McCain White House.

OK so if you not here to change me, then what the hell are you doing???? go to the DailyKos and spout out you asanine assertions.


Well I do not ant the kind of change that Obama's advisors are giving him,  they are the one that ran Fany Mae and Freddie Mac into the ground.

GG  post 139 was blatantly racist.  Dave only sees thru rose colored glasses so it is invisible to him.

Money in their pockets?  That's a nice sweeping generalization not based on facts.  You can't broad brush an issue and paint everyone the same color.  Well, logical people can't, not without the knowledge of their hypocrisy.  However, I don't think you folks are hypocrites.  More like blind(economically), drowning in misinformation, and willing to clutch at anything.  Of course you have placed urselves in that state.  That is self inflicted.

Ahem  ..  Let's get down to it (rolls up sleeve)

You can swing all you want at McCain and the banking de-regulation.  It has no traction.  OBAMA will be wise to side step it if he can.  If the ugly details come out, it will put the Democratic party into a tailspin.  The only folks who are talking about it in that way are the rabid "acorn" (nuts) who are summoned to spew filth and lies, so someone else doesn't have to (guess who).  Thankfully, only a very small percentage of people are gullible enough to seriously consider information coming from "acorn" or "moveon".   

I won't go into it all because of the breadth of the calamity, which is expansive.

Let's just say if you don't at this very moment of reading this post, if you do not know who the following people and programs are and their role in past events, you need to quiet yourselves before you are embarrassed further.
Community Development Act
Bill Clinton (im guessin u've heard of that rascal)
Franklin Raines
Jamie Gorelick (last name is hysterical in its historical context)
Freddie & Fannie ( when the govt. decided to play house)
If you do not know how these parties interacted and intertwined to bring us to the brink of the real estate market, then you are grossly misinformed.

I'm betting you don't know the story.  Here's a guideline for your constant sorrow of always being surprised and outraged when the Govt. gets the economy off the rails of success.

More govt. - BAD
Less Govt. - GOOD

Always follow the money if you want the truth.
If you want to feel good follow your heart.
Someone is always willing to pluck your heart so they can make money.
I get the feeling you folks make the same mistakes over and over in your lives.  That's a pity.  Educate urself, get away from slanted journalism, apply your economic head , read the data, draw your own conclusions, not someone else's and just parrot it out.

Ive kept it simple.   I could get more specific, but frankly I think i would lose most of you.


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Bill Clinton was the one that repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 in 1999.


"Last night on MSNBC of all places, Robert Reich admitted that Clinton and the Democrats are at fault for this!

In the latter years of the Clinton administration — when I was not there any longer, I should add — there was an attempt by Alan Greenspan and Bob Rubin and a few others to deregulate financial markets, and they did.  They split commercial banking off from investment banking.  And many people say, “Well, that was the beginning of the problem,” and then, of course, in 2003-2004, Alan Greenspan reduced short-term interest rates to the point where every single bank wanted to lend money.  I mean, if you could stand up straight, you could get a bank loan because there was so much pressure to get that money out the door.  Money was so cheap"

I forgot to put that that wasfrom The Right Perspective

Sory to break it to you Dave, but it wasClintn and Democratic Lobbyist that screwed up, not Republicans.

Look it up yourself, type Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 adn repeal and see what you get.

Stix....."OK so if you not here to change me, then what the hell are you doing???? go to the DailyKos and spout out you asanine assertions."

Because you are so much fun!  Loyal to the party, you are," spouting their assanine assertions"......
There was a time i thought about voting for McCain.  That was over 8 yrs. ago.......(yes, i am in fact a registered republican in the state of N.C.; i receive the GOP newsletters most everyday!)
But it was John McCain's sleaze factor that may me pause ...........(The Keating Five Scandal was in fact another Banking scandal, and though no members of congress were sent to jail, that doesn't mean that their influence, including John McCain's, wasn't wasn't peddled or sold for the favors they produced for Mr. Keating)

Like McCain, you seem to have no compunction of twisting the truth......
the truth that John McCain is a political whore.

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession.
I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Ronald Reagan
(1911-2004) 40th US President

Phil Gramm is the architect of this economic meltdown, and the author of
the "Mental Recession" statement.  This is the man who authored the
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, and the man you think should be whispering "advise" to a President McCain!

So any facts I put up that points twards Dems you just push aside and sayit was Phil Graham even though Robert Reich said it was Clinton.

Talk about loyalty to Party.  

You are delusional and a broken record in Phil  Graham is the architect of the baknig crisis, when in fact it was Clinton's repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.  But no it has to be a Republican in your eyes.   even when shown the facts, you still spout out asinine assertions that it was Phil Graham.

Why??????  Is it because you drink the Obama Cool Aide and all things that go wrong is Republicans fault.

"A new ad released this morning by the McCain campaign states, “Our economy in crisis. Only proven reformers John McCain and Sarah Palin can fix it.” In a statement today, McCain said he will “replace the outdated and ineffective patchwork quilt of regulatory oversight in Washington” and bring “accountability to Wall Street.”
That promise rings hollow considering he has the former lobbyists of AIG, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, and Bank of America on his campaign staff."
Is this True Stix?  WoW!  Sounds like "The Double Talk Express"!

"Look it up yourself, type Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 adn repeal and see what you get."
I did and i got the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act, Pub. L. No. 106-102, 113 Stat. 1338 (November 12, 2022), is an Act of the United States Congress which repealed part of the Glass-Steagall Act,
THE SAME PHIL GRAMM THAT GAVE US "MENTAL RECESSION"
THE SAME PHIL GRAMM THAT WHISPERS ECONOMIC ADVICE TO JOHN MCCAIN...........THE SAME PHILL GRAMM THAT INTRODUCE CORPORATE WELFARE TO THE INVESTMENT BANKING INDUSTRY!
And the taxpayers provide them with golden parachutes........nice!
So much for free, unregulated markets, huh?

Phil Gramm's name is on the bill!
What else does one need?

Mybad, it was actually Phil Graham.

As Ihave said before it was both parties that have screwed the pooch on this.  Both partie still do not have the balls to make real reform.

Still it you do not takeinto account that PresidentBush wanted to reign this in,but the Dem congress blocked any kind of fix in 2003

Author: David W. Walters Comment: Phil Gramm's name is on the bill! What else does one need?

One needs to gather ALL the facts. A bill no matter whose name is on it doesn't write loans.  The de-regulation was off and CLINTON and his CRONIES took full advantage pocketing millions and pressuring banks to write loans to people who had no means with which to pay it back, in neighborhoods whose decline was easy to forecast no matter how many loans were written (think equity, the banks not the owners).  Since the loans were GUARANTEED by the Govt.  (it's what Freddie and Fannnie do), the banks succumbed to the political pressure.  Of course it helps to put your FRIENDS at the helm of these institutions to make sure the monies flow in the right direction.  Right in their pockets.

So you need to not stop just at a signature on a bill and say SEE?  SEE THERE?  These things are quite complex Dave, since human beings are involved.  The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  Clinton paved many bricks for us.  Now it's time to pay the devil.  Quite a guy.
Don't blame the bill, blame BILL.  he is the one that turned it inside out.

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And in 2003 President Bush saw the writing on the wall and tried to fix it, but CONgress blocked any kind of reform.

And Phil Graham might have written the bill, but Obama's advisors are the ones that abused the law. 

As I said before, both parties areto blame for most of this.  Neither had the balls to take this on.   The housing market and everything was going great, until the people that got loans could not pay them off.  I agre with Hoboboh, it was the banks and peope getting loans that they should have never gotten.   It also started when banks started getting into risky investments because ofthe repeal of the Glass-Steagall.  There is plenty of guilt on both sides.

Goinjg aback andforth like this will not help anyone.
And who would do a better job at fixing this stuff. Someone that is a reformer, or someone that got the 2nd most amount from Fran and Fred, the one that has someone that wrote a bill 10 years ago that others abused, or the people that ran down Fran and Fred and abused the law???????


I let you decide.   I know who I trust more.

HoBo.....
...."So you need to not stop just at a signature on a bill and say SEE?  SEE THERE?  These things are quite complex Dave, since human beings are involved.  The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  Clinton paved many bricks for us.  Now it's time to pay the devil.  Quite a guy."

Senator Gramm was the AUTHOR of the bill, my friend.  Good intentions not-withstanding, this was the culmination of republican intent to go back to the good old days of NO REGULATION what so ever, something that has irritated them every since their supreme failure of 1929.  Yeah, very complex turn of events and the republicans saw an opportunity to finally gut the hated Glass-Steagall Act of 1933.

Former lobbyists of AIG, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, and Bank of America are on John McCain's  campaign staff.  These are the people who threw out ALL THE RULES that have placed us in this present situation.  That Bill Clinton signed this bill, just adds more shame to his past administration, but the bill was AUTHORED BY JOHN MCCAIN'S very recent senior economic adviser Phil Gramm.  (Mental Recession?)
And this is the so-called leadership you think will solve the problem?
WoW!  You may be able to fool some people, but you and I both know,DEREGULATION is the underpinning of republican economic philosophy.  And John McCain has ALWAYS embraced this discredited idea.  So keep on trying to foist this on the democrats......nice try!

"And in 2003 President Bush saw the writing on the wall and tried to fix it, but CONgress blocked any kind of reform."
Oh?  Really?
What kind of help would that have been?
The abuse in the Gramm-Leach_Bliley Act was deregulating these institutions that had chaffed for years at not being able to operate as they saw fit.  Senator Phil Gramm led the Senate Banking Committee which sponsored the Act; he later joined UBS Warburg, at the time the investment banking arm of the largest Swiss bank.  The outcome of the foxes guarding the henhouse should have been predictable.
So keep on playing the blame game.......this is Phil Gramm & John McCain's baby.

Well, for first theywould have madeitr harder to get a loan, thatwould have helped, but the Dems blocked that.  

You really do have a hard on for Phil Graham.  What did he do to you?????

Do you realize how partisan and idotic you sound.   I strubbed my toe, oh that damn Phil Graham.   But never fear Obama the wonder Community Organizer will come and fix everything.    Yeah right by taxing us all out of work and home.

PLease go to the DailyKos or DUmmieland, youmight havemore fun getting yor jollies off there.   And they will all admire your hardon for Phil Graham, because they will say the same thing over and over until it becomes the truth in your mind.

We on the right do not believe if you say it enough it is the truth.  Facts get in the wayof your little diatribe against Phil Graham.   Both parties are to blame,not just Phil Graham.    And just who is it that is Obvama advisors,the ones that were kicked out of Fran and Fred for stealing millions fom the bank, the ones that started Fran andFreddie's downfall.

Just ignore the Clinton years if you want to Dave.   It's the only way you can feel the way you do.  De-regulation is not NO regulation.  You draw inferences where there are none.


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To get the thread back on topic  PALIN is HOT!!

and with her nomination goes the hope of OBAMA getting any blue blooded males between 18 and heck  everybody else.

" People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/oss-profile-03-02.html
Lots of folks on this blog just make crap up.....but I'm not that cynical.

HoBo....you're right!  I'd do her any time.........and I have a bad habit a bangin' loony babes

I agree Hoboboh.  We got too off track with Obamatan taking over the comments thread.

Yes she is hot and  a great pick.

And you guys didn't even chastise me for being a sexist pig!
She's hot, but is her "economic schooling" gonna come from Phil Gramm?
LOL....

hobe-hoe:
Let me school you on some insights regarding racism.  


Racism is a form of ethnocentrism, which is the belief that your own ethnic group is superior (both innately and in practice) than other ethnic groups.  Hitler's hatred of Jews, as an ethnicity as opposed to a religious group, is an example.
Racism is ethnocentrism based on race (African, Asian, North African, European).  



The key feature of either of these is that is a form of pride, which really doesn't hurt anyone and often boosts moral among social groups.  However, it is harmful when it is used by a economically or politically dominant group to justify marginalization of non-dominant groups.   Therefore, Blacks really can't be racist towards Whites.  Resentful, yes - and often rightfully so.  Bitter, yes- but I don't see that in Obama or anyone around him.  Ready to push back, yes- and I'm in full support of those efforts.  Racist- not possible.  So please think things through before you make bonehead statements like calling Obama a racist.  It's foolish and demonstrates a lack of real understanding of American culture that ultimately diminishes all of your arguments.

Still on the Gramm kick? LOL  It's what was done with it that counts Dave, not who wrote it.  What was done with it was not what was intended.  Nuff said.


Palin definitely was a trump card.  Never underestimate the power of a good looking woman.   That's not sexist, that's reality. 

Average Joe walks into voting booth. 
"hmm, let's see, weird looking black guy with weird looking white guy VS. weird looking white guy and HOT LOOKING woman."

Wanna guess who gets the construction vote?  (wolf whistles)

Americans are so sophisticated.


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Now they are hack ingin to her personal email accounts.
Utterly sickening.

HoBo......
Even Obama has heard me, because he evoked Phil Gramm in his speech today in Nevada......(HeHe)
Facts are Facts, and as a direct consequence deregulation in the banking industry, we are now heading toward the next great depression perhaps.  I hope the hell not, but it don't look good.

But your assessment of the construction vote is at least half true......until they realize they soon won't have a job......because a hot babe near the White House ain't gonna pay the rent, or buy food, or provide health care for the sick kids.

The only good I can see in any of this is that it will make it even MORE
imperative to stop bleeding $10 Billion/month (i kept it subdued this time....I think you get it now) in Iraq, don't ya think?

Better throw Biden underthe bus for using Lobbyists also.

As Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama targets his Republican rival Sen. John McCain for hiring former lobbyists to work on his campaign, a key member of Obama’s campaign is paying a Washington lobbyist for legal advice: his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden.
Lobbyist William Oldaker continues to represent the Delaware Democrat in his simultaneous bid for Senate re-election, serving as legal counsel just as he has for Biden’s campaigns for the past 25 years.
Oldaker is an election law attorney and partners with Biden’s son Hunter at the Washington firm, Oldaker, Biden & Belair. He is also an appropriations lobbyist who represents lawyers, American Indians, and educational and health care institutions and who drew fire in 2005 for serving on numerous fundraising committees that donate to the lawmakers he lobbies.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-16-biden-lobbyist_N.htm

So are you going to go after Biden too for having Lobbyists,or is it ok for him to have them but not McCain?????

An election law lobbyist?  As compared to a lobbyist of an investment banking firm seeking to increase their profits at the expense of the taxpayers?
No, I'll give Biden a pass on this....IT WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FAILURE OF 2 OF OUR LARGEST INVESTMENT BANKING FIRMS LEADING TO THE ECONOMIC CRISIS WE ARE IN!

But back to Palin.....a vindictive, petty individual (cute though)
who wants to surround herself with YES-PEOPLE.
Is this a good idea?
We have seen how this has played out in Bush's administration.
With very bad results.

Figures you will give the Dem a pass but not the Republican.

you my friend are a hypocrit

Sadly, lobbying is legal.....it should be illegal.
It's a matter of magnitude, i mean, what ills did Joe Biden's lobbyist do to America?
What did Phil Gramm & John McCain's ARMY OF BANKING LOBBYIST
do to America?
.......uh, Stix, it ain't even in the same league!
Nice try (he says unenthusiastically)

So we should not be able to petition the government???????

You can't petition the government?
Call your congressman (or woman)

Come on you ar smarter than that.  Not just anybody can get a hold of a CONgressman whenever they want.  

Lobbyists are a intregal part of the government, along with pages and interns.  Without them most CONgressmen cold not their their shoes.

Stix....
did you call in the wrath'o god mumps plague on me?
I'm diein' here!
Oh, John McCain.....Maverick Cowboy! (All Hat and no Horse!)
-Rachael Maddow's guest said it....i won't take credit.
Goodnite!

Palin is hardly a "yes man" Dave.  You should check her out.  She ought to be your hero.  She actually RAISED taxes on the oil companies doing business in Alaska.  Sound like a "yes man" to you?

And she's cute!!


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stupid fucking  republicans

I want Palin to win so kids are taught that we used to ride dinosaurs! Yay!

179  HoBo
uuuh, may be you don't understand critical analysis.......it's
(an appraisal based on careful analytical evaluation), it takes an ability to view a problem from all sides.
Surrounding oneself with "like-minded" individuals usually doesn't help one to explore all the necessary solutions to a problem........"cute" notwithstanding.
However, surrounding oneself with "bobble-heads" promotes that kind of "group think" that insulates the group from viewpoints outside the comfort zone.  This is how Georgie Jr. picked his staff  (with disastrous results)

Majk.....kinda funny!(yet scary)
i've got no problem with teaching creationism-in Sunday school.
But certainly not in science class!

How is raising the rate of taxation on oil companies work against her again?  I'm missing your razor sharp analytical approach.

So in your book if she bucks the system (she did), she's really just going along? 

I guess that's how you can feel that OBAMA is about change, when he has voted 100% of the time with his party.


Yes that's quite a feat of logic.  I stand corrected.


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I will agree that Creationism has no place in the classroom as science.  That's a no-brainer.  On the other hand if you are thinking that the VP can somehow crack the socialist foundation which is our horrific publik skool system, you need to stop what you are doing right now, and send me some of that herb you are smoking.  It must be quite strong. 

Creationism can be taught in the classroom under certain guidelines.  One that would work for me is a class titled Crackpot Theory 101.
To be fair one would have to throw in other topics so as to be PC.  Scientology, Global Warming(man made that is), and Liberal Economics come to mind. 


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HoBo.....
always trying to shift the message from what's really important.  Like Obama said,
"Republicans are good at campaigning, but poor at governing"
So, in the on going argument of republican failures, you deftly tried to steer away from what you know to be indefensible.(Longstanding republican support for deregulation of investment banking, and the predictable disasterous results).                   Nice try!
So, way to go Sarah Palin, tax those oil companies that sell U.S. oil to the highest bidder!
So, i'm still tryin' to figure out who prayed for the wrath"o god plague'o mumps on me?
Not you HoBo?

Since OBAMA has NEVER governed, his comments are immaterial.

Selling oil to the highest bidder.  I'm sorry, do you know a better way?  All the oil energy that you have consumed in your lifetime has been based upon free market price pressures.  Please enlighten me with a different and improved method of doing business.  Don't forget that is has to be managed by people.  It can't just look good on paper, like Communism or Socialism does.

By the way my post was not deflecting in any way.  I proposed to you that Palin is not  a "yes man".  I provided a STUNNING example of proof.  You disregard it and start talking about banking dereg (off topic).  Your mumps must be self inflicted, since the body follows the mind.  Isn't that a childhood illness?  LOL.


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"Since OBAMA has NEVER governed, his comments are immaterial."
Lincoln never governed until 1861 either, and the S.C. Legislature showed their disdain for his "lack of experience"......but Sherman got 'em back on track!
But back to Palin.......she bucks the system?  She certainly has created the "image" of bucking the system, yet on closer examination, she creates her very own "old boy network" made up ".........with figures drawn from her personal life — former high-school classmates, people she had known since grade school and fellow churchgoers."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationwor...
This may not seem egregious to many, but really-
you ain't gonna get any kind of critical thinking going on up there with that kinda mentality.
And she uses unsecured e-mail accounts to carry on government business?  Not very bright for a potential chief executive.
Yeah, i believe the Chinese, Russians, Iranians.......a whole host of foes will be happy as hell if she ascends to the top spot!
So my mumps is a reflection of god's will and my childish disposition?lol!

Umm  Dave, using a president from 160 years ago as proof that OBAMA has the CAPABILITY of governing is ludicrous.  Talk about clutching at straws.  The civil war was not about Lincoln so the S.C legislature comment is off base.  The war was started over MONEY Dave.  Not Lincoln.  That being said Lincoln FAILED to UNITE the country until 500,000+ Americans lay dead.  Not the legacy OBAMA needs to follow.

Besides, it is not correct for any party to lay claim to prior presidents as their own.  Only policies should be examined, not the official party affiliation.  These things move like battlefield lines. 
If you look at Kennedy you might be tempted to put him up as a leader from which to follow?  If you are a modern day Democrat, you would be WRONG.  For all of the misgivings of President Kennedy (there were many), his policies indicate him to be a modern day REPUBLICAN.  He may have been a Democrat in his time, but his party has left him in the dust.  they just wheel him out to garnish votes now and again.

About Palin surrounding herself with people she knows and trusts.  OMG!!  What's wrong with her?  OBAMA has a cadre of OLD CLINTON HACK ADVISORS!! 

I'll take the trusted friends.  I hope you don't live your life the way you use your logic. 

I guess you are talking about the hacked e-mail messages which were personal in nature.  Well the FBI is in full investigation mode as well as the Secret Service.  As it should be.  
If OBAMA doesn't get the word out STRONGLY that those hacks are indefensible and wrong, he's going to be painted with the same brush.  I don't think he can survive another PR disaster as in the PALIN NOMINATION and subsequent speech.  he already looks like he's spent.

I don't know anything about G*D's will.  Even I am not that presumptuous Dave.  I think your disposition is fine.  Your correlative powers when it comes to disseminating information into correct economic and political thinking is .......  mumpy.


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By the way Dave, UR last comment is OFFICIALLY wrong.  All of the countries you stated have already OFFICIALLY come out for OBAMA.  Quick, toss that bit overboard, you are sinking mate.  Mumps and all.  First get the egg off your face.


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uh, HoBo....The S.C. legislature promised to secede if Lincoln were elected.  That was the catalyst......and using your faulty logic, West Point shouldn't teach the Cadets about Julius Caesar's campaigns?    but enough about Lincoln(and Caesar).....
And you seem to be missing the point on the e-mail business......she was using unsecured communication to carry on state business.....and our enemies would just love to see someone that stupid as our leader.

The reason S.C. revolted was over taxes and economic strangulation.  The election of Lincoln was not the catalyst.  He was the last straw, nothing more.  It meant there would not be a compromise.  It was economics young man. 

I like how you slid by my Kennedy assessment.   I'll take that as an "I say Uncle" on your part.

I'm getting a kick out of the e-mail story.   Everyone wants a more transparent government.  well here it is.  Thank you Governor Palin for being ahead of the curve.  That's a joke folks. 
Of course one would have to distill the term "conduction state business".  That could be anything from WE ARE AT DEFCOM 3 HERE! to "LET"S MEET FOR LUNCH".  I'll bet it's the latter of the two.  Of course that they were hacked shows how transparent e-mail really is despite the claims otherwise.  Nothing is irretrievable.  Not by the pros anyways.  As I bounce this post to you it is going thru several servers and records are being kept.  Just type in the words B*mB,T*rrorist, P*lin, As*as*ination , and a few other choice words and see if things aren't being watched and recorded.  See who shoes up at your door.  (don't do it by the way).

Open and transparent does not mean that you lose all common sense and conduct everything out in the open. I mean, obviously, you have to have people be able to think out loud, have discussions and debates, you know, and resolve things.  If that's the case every word uttered by every politician should be recorded for posterity and career shredding.  Please I hear from them enuf.  Too much.

By the way this is common practice up in Alaska.  They do things a little different than BELTWAY WASHINGTON.  Thank Goodness for that.  Notice how she actually has improved the peoples lives in her state?  Coincidence?

Let's see  ..

OBAMA is running from a CONGRESS APPROVAL RATING OF 8%.......8%!!!!!!!!!!

PALIN is running from a Governors APPROVAL RATING OF 80%......80%!!!!!!!!

This is an EZ choice.  And she's CUTE!!!


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"I like how you slid by my Kennedy assessment.   I'll take that as an "I say Uncle" on your part." 
Hell Naw!  it just made so little sense, i ignored it!  But I will say this.....Kennedy struggled with the "liberal" label.  Republicans have done such a good dam'd job turning that into a dirty word.  But they are so good at redefining words.......
like "Victory"
and "Maverick"...........
" Open and transparent does not mean that you lose all common sense and conduct everything out in the open"
Well that's what official lines of communication are for......
SECURITY and TRANSPARENCY

Seems like she had something to hide.
yeah, she's cute, but not much else.

I'm not sure the comparison of the approval rating is fair. Especially since Alaska leans right, so 80% of the population is conservative, hence the 80% approval rating. It's like saying Sean Penn's approval rating is 80%... in Hollywood.

Also, keep in mind that Alaska's population is about 700,000 people. (The mayor of Los Angeles deals with 10 million people everyday.) Yes, a governor does different things than a mayor, but you have to admit it's not that impressive.

Dave hav you even read what the little twerp that hacked into her email account has said.  He did not findanything dealing with Official State business. So get off the whole BS about that.

NO Liberals have done more than we on the right could ever do of making "Liberal" a bad name.

Kennedy a "Liberal", that makes me laugh.  If you mean whata"Loberal is today.  "Liberal" back then had a very different meaning. Kennedy was much more like Reagan than Pelosi or Reid is today.

You guys just like to make stuff up!
Not gonna happen, not at this juncture!

Acceptance of the New York Liberal Party Nomination
September 14, 2023
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”

You can go back and copy/paste the comments of the past, but be aware that his policies did not reflect his rhetoric.  His policies are distinctly Republican in the present tense.  The Democrats have lost their political ties to history long ago.  That's a shame too.  Heck, even Truman is a Republican today.  So who's left for the Dem's?  Clinton and Carter, the appeasement Presidents who left HUGE headaches for this country with which we still have to deal with (think Iran, Al Queada, Saddam Hussein).    

Kennedy saw the wisdom of cutting corporate tax rates.  he understood that lowering taxes on businesses  increases revenue for the Government in which programs can then be funded to truly help the needy.  Obama does not.

Kennedy realized (too late) that the appearance of weakness through negotiation does not work with tyrants or Dictatorships.
Obama does not (he'll talk to anyone under any conditions)

Kennedy knew that punishing the wealthy for doing what the system is set up for (SUCCESS) should not be burdened with onerous taxes, because it just hurts the country as a whole and ends up punishing the poor.  The wealthy will always find a way to loophole out or worse, move their wealth out of the country.  Sort of the way California ran off Silicon Valley.  Go look, it's gone. 
Obama does not understand this at all..

Kennedy was a verifiable war hero, who proved he has something extra to draw upon.  Not everybody has that.
Obama has not (not a slight upon him, he just hasn't.  I don't think paper cuts count).  No shining defining moment in his life.

Shall I continue.  I can.  So, I'll take your Kennedy and put it in the win column for me.

Oh yah   PALIN is HOT!!

Majk:

Using ur logic of population totals, The Congress approval rating represents the adult population of the United States and the approval rating is 8%.  I can see you didn't think it through. 
Frankly, having a population of 700k+ means the people there truly know their Governor.  So the 80% approval rating carries FURTHER weight. 
One of the reasons she was picked is because that woman knows how to cut the red tape, bring sides together to get issues resolved to help the population of Alaska, and her citizens know it.  I cannot say with certainty of the party split percentage in that state, so i won't speculate on that (I'm not a liberal), but I do know that the people in Alaska don't take sh*t from anybody, so she must be doing the will of the people.  Isn't that about all you can ask of a public servant?


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So John Kennedy is republican because he cut corporate taxes.......
so John McCain is a democrat because he spouts off some populist tirades?  No, that ain't gonna wash HoBo.
You are so intent on revisionist history.
John Kennedy-Democrat
Harry Truman-Democrat
Bill Clinton-Republican

The babe factor.... http://www.jibjab.com/view/1236

If I hear you correctly your saying Americans are stupid?

So the formerly "transparent" Troopergate saga has become "politicized"  What a surprise, right?  A politician involved with something that is politicized.  Add in the recent scandal plagued Alaskan republicans and I think the people of that state would be very anxious to know exactly what happened.  I hear there will be a report anyway, probably because of their recent corrupt past.  Basically by stonewalling, they are going to allow one side of the story to come out and it won't be pretty.  Yes, the report will be decried as unfair, partisan, incomplete etc.  But who's fault will that be?  This is the gift that keeps on giving.  Troopergate is like the swift boat episode in that Kerry's unwillingness to address it right away really gave it momentum.  When this report comes out in October there will be some embarrassing aspects to it and lots of unaswered questions.  If this were a trial and one side wanted to get some information to the jury that they knew was inadmissable, they would blurt it out.  The judge would admonish that lawyer and tell the jury to disregard.  By then, though, the cat is out of the bag.  Has anyone ever tried to unhear something?  This is a feeding frenzy mentality election cycle.  Some fresh meat is about to be thrown in the kennel.  The McCain campaign objections will be drowned out by the buzz of the report and the obvious questions will be asked.  If you are the reformers, if you want to shake up Washington, why did you resort to Washington DC 101 or Karl Rove 101style stonewalling?  Why didn't you just cooperate?  Why didn't you get out ahead of the story and keep it from becoming what it is now?  Troopergate on its own merits is probably a minor episode.  Yes, it reinforces what I suspect to be true about the Grandma's style of politics (can throw a punch but has no chin herself).  But the bigger issue is that when you hear the words "reformer" or "maverick" out of the mouths of Father Time and the Grandma, you have a clear example of what those words really mean to them by examining their handling of Troopergate.  I say, "Thanks, but no thanks."

Someone on here give me the other side of this coin.  I'm dying to hear the defense.  But before you do, just answer this basic question:  If you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, why not just cooperate?

We have 4 dogs, one of these is a 125 pound yellow lab.  He is food fixated.  Despite any punishment he might receive for getting up to the kitchen counter for a loaf of bread, or the butter dish or a half dozen hard boiled eggs,  he will get up there and take these.  He wants what he wants and will do what it takes to get it.  Whatever scoldings he receives is pale compared to having reached his objective.  He knows that the first chance he gets, he will do it again.  It's what he does.  He's basically a good dog.  Loving, faithful, and friendly.  He's cute.  He's just not allowed in the kitchen.
Sarah Palin has established a pattern of abuse of power, ethics violations and questionable standards and decisions with regards to the use of public monies for personal gain.  For any thinking American with any common sense to seriously consider Sarah "she's hot" Palin for the second highest office in our country is absurd.  Just plain absurd.  Just as our lab is not allowed in the kitchen- Sarah should not be allowed in the corridors of the White House. 

http://consortiumnews.com/2008/090308a.html

Palin is attractive? I guess if you compare her to Dick Cheney or Al Gore.
She looks like Peggy Hill to me. Or a pig with lipstick. Whichever u like. Republicans need to get out more.

Jared obviously needs glasses. 

PEGGY HILL IS SMOKIN' HOT!!


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Uh Oh   Obama has some explaining to do.   The email hacker and the associations with a false youtube campaign ad against Palin.  

Post-Partisan candidate my ass.   He is a political hack from Chicago and will do anything to get elected.

I guess they are getting into our faces illegally now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkemPwvi_qY

FREE SARAH PALIN!
Ms. Brown did a good job....thanx for sharing Toe.

Stix.....
uuh, what explainin' does Obama need to do?  I don't follow.  A YouTube ad that ties Sarah Palin to Alaskan Independence Party......
Those were NOT Mrs. Palin's words:
"I'm Gov. Sarah Palin, and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party Convention."

Perhaps you can enlighten me Stix.

The video is tied to the "King of Astroturfing" David Axelrod and the company that Obama uses to make campaign ads.

She was never part of that party.

Just look at the links provided.

Perhaps you can actually look somwhere other than the NY Slimes or DailyKos for news.

Stix........
Sarah Palin didn't say this:
"I'm Gov. Sarah Palin, and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party Convention."?

You are dense aren't you Dave.

She was never at the convention, she sent it as a video.   She was trying to get them to reconcile some of their grudges.

She was never part of thatparty. Here husband was at one time, but was never active in it.


Damn, do you get the talking points directly from the Obama campaign???

Windmills again Dave?  So wrong and desperate to call it right.


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Stix (211):
"She was never part of that party. Here husband was at one time, but was never active in it."
-Yet she did see fit to produce this video:

"I'm Gov. Sarah Palin, and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party Convention."

And you maybe correct in your assertion, Stix, that:
"She was never part of that party."

Again.....was the video, that you say was produced by David Axelrod in error? 
Yes, i am but a fuzzy-headed liberal.........dense, if you will!  So please explain(and help your lesser fellows).......while i joist with windmills.
BAM!

You really do not klnow what the hell I am talking about do you.   the video said she was part of the party and totally lied about her on many fronts.   And you want to defend this style of getting into people's faces campaign.   You hjave drank too much of the cool aid.

Isn't the ONE supposed to be the post-partisan candidate, above all this because he is the Light Bringer and has come down to us plebes to save us from partisanship?????

This is the lowest of the low to astroturf  someone with lies like this and the Obama campaign should be ashamed of itself.

Then you have the people hacking into Palin's email address, sort of like Watergate.  And do not give me the crap that Watergate was totally different.   It also was a break in job that was done by idiots.

Stix......
You'd like it if Obama would have stuck to the high road while Rovian tactics prevail in the McCain Campaign.  But we see where that kind of thinking got Kerry 4 yrs ago.  Elections are for winning. 
If The Obama campaign did in fact produce this video, it is no way worse than say......
something like the McCain ad claiming Obama supports "sex-ed" for kids.  And it is not and out and out lie like the "Thanks, but no thanks...."
claim about the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere".

Kool-Aid?  No, pomegranate juice.

Dave

You really need to look at the facts.    Obama did vote for the Sex Education Bill.   Yes it did have  language about the perverts as all Obama Talking Piunts have said, but there wasmore than just that.  it did teach kids asyoung as 5 about condoms and sex.  So there is not comparison.

Adn you arestill lying cabout the "Bridge To no Where" and Davis. 

It will be interesting to see waht you will be like when Obama looses in Nov.

More and more people are seeing him as the far let wing person he is.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel_Foundation
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/series8.aspx
http://www.gamaliel.org/default.htm


Straight from Alinski's playbook

@ David #215........I love your logic when you write 'if the Obama campaign did in fact produce this video, it is no way worse than say.......' and also 'it's not an out and out lie like......'

Weak argument David. Very very weak. Your argument sounds like you are saying "Your candidate did it, so it's ok for my candidate to do it. But your candidate did it worse than mine, so my candidate is better than yours". 

At least you prove Obama is as much a bottom feeder as every other politician and that his 'change' and a 'different kind of politics' mantra is no different than the 'maverick' mantra. 

It doesn't matter if the koolaid is blue or red David, it's still koolaid.

So much for Obama's 'different kind of politics'  being a 'change' politician, eh?

Both you guys........
Where is the lie?
Sarah Palin is seen introducing a secessionist convention!
She is in fact lending her support to them by doing this!

"I'm Gov. Sarah Palin, and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party Convention."

So......what's the problem guys?  It is factual.

Asked and answered.  What more do you want Dave?  It's a moot point, as so many of your are.


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Hobo.....Dave is saying she is guilty by association because she welcomed Alaska's 3rd largest political party. 

Sorta like Obama's support of ACORN who is repeatedly charged with illegal voter registration; and then there is Obama's ties with bomber Bill Ayers.

.........uuuh, Palin welcomed these clowns(Alaskan Independence Party) with a video in her official capacity as governor.
She's really not very bright. 
Just what we need in the White House, another dumb-ass.
And yes, i am getting used to it (having a dumb-ass occupy the Oval Office) Stix......so come November, nothing will change with me.

You liberals need to get the broomsticks out of your asses. She also said in her speech "I share your party's vision of upholding the constitution of our great state."

Why would she want to uphold the state constitution if she wanted secession? 

She also said: "My administration remains focused on reining in government growth so individual liberty and opportunity can expand. I know you agree with that. "

This is what she is campaigning on, isn't it? Smaller government? Why not make a big deal about that? And her statement "I know you agree with that" could imply that she and the party don't agree on everything.

She also said: "We have a great promise to be a self-sufficient state made up of the hardest-working, most grateful Americans in the nation."

Get it? 'A-mer-i-cans'. "Na-tion" Yes, she supports America as a nation. Duh.

And again: "So as your convention gets under way, I hope that you all are inspired by remembering that all those years ago, it was in this same city that Alaska's constitution was born." 
Once again, she is supporting Alaska's statehood. 

She sent a damn welcome video. She didnt go to the convention, she didnt endorse them, she didn't make a speech, she was being a governor. 
What do you want her to do? Supress their free speech? Be a bitch? Is that what you would do to peaceful fellow citizens in your own state? 

Or should she blow them up? (Oops, sorry, I was confusing her with Obama and his relationship with Ayers).

Get a life, if you want to vet her, great, she should be vetted. But at least quit making up stuff (like claiming her kid was actually her daughters) and go after some real stuff.

That she was silly enough to appear in a video, welcoming such an anti-American fringe group shows her lack of political acumen.
Like Bush Jr., she's an idiot.

And this is worse than Obama wanting to visit Iamanutjob and others that hate our guts????

You really need to get out a little bit. 
The Party is made up of mainly Native Alaskans ghat want to have more rights for the Native Alaskans.   I am sure you do not make fun of or poo poo Native American organizations???  Or do you????

"My friend the witch doctor, he taught me what to say
My friend the witch doctor, he taught me what to do
I know that you'll be mine when I say this to you
Oh, Baby ....
(Chorus:)
Ooo eee, ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang
Ooo eee, ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang...
Ooo eee, ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang
Ooo eee, ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang.........."
Written by: David Seville (Ross Bagdasarian)
Single: Released in 1958

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/th...

Oh lord she had someone from another country do a custom from Africa.   Oh Lord she can never be VP


What about Obama going over and dressing up in African Garb.   Or taking a Native American name.  

You are definitely grasping at straws now.

And why do you even go to the HUFFPO???   It is not a news source.

It's great that our potential Commander-in-Chief will be protected from Witches...........
I feel so much better(and safer!)

@ Stix.......what do you expect? 

Palin doesnt meet liberals' qualifications for president....which are: being associated with terrorists, memer of a racially divisive church, support of a group involved in election frauds, and dealings with slum lords. 

Knowing that these are the qualifications of our potential CIC, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud to be an American, knowing I'll be saved from silly welcome videos!

I feel so much better (and safer).

At least she will not have any bad JUJU against her.

I guess she should have shunned the Native Alaskans, but then the Left would have said she hates Native Alaskans.  But but but she is married to one.   That would have had them going in circles.

I think even if she was Mother Theresa they would drag her thru the mud, because she is not Liberal and does not think abortion on demand is good.

Sarah Palin is a joke.  At least she will be safe from witches.
But even the esteemed Charles Krauthammer (a Fox News fixture) isn't cutting flips over this joke of a pick.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

"Palin fatally undermines this entire line of attack. This is through no fault of her own. It is simply a function of her rookie status. The vice president's only constitutional duty of any significance is to become president at a moment's notice. Palin is not ready. Nor is Obama. But with Palin, the case against Obama evaporates. "

I don't agree with the "Cabbage-Smasher", but perhaps Stix and Ameriken ought to......

I guess I did not get my mind control thru Charles Krauthammer.   Man it must have been the time I had the tinfoil hat on.   Damn   can not go agasint Charles Krauthammer.    I might get kicked out of the Rovian Brigade. 


as I said beforeI have a mind of my own.  And Charles Krauthammet can think or say whatever he wants.   I do not agree with him 100% of the time.  I think on my own and do use my brain and do not regugitate the talking points.  

But you sure have the Obama talking points down pat.

Do they send them hourly

So you're down with the "Witch Doctor".........and if John gets elected, and then dies, Thomas Muthee may have an office in the White House.  That would be so cool!  Just think......he could have exorcisms or whatever in cabinet meetings.  WoW!

Here's this weeks Notable Quote on SARAH  PALIN by none other than the GREAT BILL CLINTON!  Lol!

"I come from Arkansas, I get why she's hot out there, why she's doing well.  People look at her, and they say: 'All those kids, Something that happens in everybody's family.  I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her.  Glad that girl's going around with her boyfriend.  Glad they're going to get married...'(Voters will think)
I like that little Down syndrome kid.  One of them lives down the street.  They're wonderful children.  They're wonderful people.  And I like the idea that this guy does those long-distance races.  Stayed in the race for 500 miles with a broken arm.  My kind of guy."

Even BILL gets it!!  WOW.


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So Sarah the Grandma, the so called "Babe" has excited the base, right?  She appears to be getting worse with every interview in my opinion.  But here's the thing, just imagine for a moment if Father Time had picked, hmmm, let's see, maybe Mitt Romney.  They would be owning this financial crisis right now in a good way.  They could march into Washington, shoulder to shoulder, and say our team has the business and the political acumen covered, period.  Instead Old Man River went for the Grandma.  She can't even come to Washington right now because she would be so out of place in this crisis it would be laughable.  What would she be doing there?  Could Joe Biden have taken the train up to DC and been in mix?  Of course.  But who cares about all of that when you have a "Babe" right?  I have this picture in my mind of Sarah Palin, suddenly irrelevant during this crisis, out there in the country somewhere just hanging out and waiting for the "suspended" campaign to resume.

Even I admit that the Grandma has some unique qualities that make her interesting but come on people.

Shifting the attention to Sarah and  the babe factor is a nice way to take the attention away from the fact that Obama just doesn't have enough time or experience to be the president. Obama has 143 days of working experience as a U. S. Senator. That is how many days the senate was in session when Obama announced he was going to form a exploratory committee for president. What could you be the leader of with only 143 days experience. Taco Bell, Mcdonald's. I don't think so.

face it

shes an IDIOT

All the negative talk about Sarah Palin has little to do with sexism and a hell of a lot to do with the fact that it is so scary that such an unqualified right wing EXTREMIST can literally be our next President!   Would the Republicans have accepted her as their Presidential candidate?  I think not, I hope not!  So why do they think it is OK to have her as VP when McCain is getting old and not in the best of health???? Besides all her "normal" conservative social positions, e.g., pro-life and gay bashing, this is a woman who doesn't believe in evolution or dinosaurs, wants creatism taught in schools,  doesn't believe global warming is caused by humans, doesn't have a clue about alternative souces of energy, (drill, baby, drill)   doesn't want polar bears declared an endangered species (because it would interfere with her plans to exploit Alaskan wildlife), shoots and kills animals for fun and has been caught in lies and exaggerations.
 
Based on her recent interviews, she has also proven herself an uninformed idiot!  Her reason she knows foreign policy is that Alaska borders Canada and Russia?????  How about the interview when Katie Couric asked her about the financial bailout?  Without a doubt, it is the biggest political and social issue in the country today, so big in fact, that McCain supposedly suspended his campaign to go to DC and deal with it.  When Katie asked Palin about it, she responded with some babbling about HEALTH CARE REFORM and JOB CREATION!!!!!!!  OH MY GOD!!! 

It is so frightening that the American public can be so blind to how unqualified she really is and what it would mean to our country if she were to win and be "promoted" to Pres because of something happening to McCain.

We can only hope that after she fails miserably at the debates, McCain will ask her to step down and he'll pick someone more qualified to help lead our country!  To save face and win the race, that what he needs to do!

g landon.......Abe Lincoln had a short resumé as well....yet history rates him as a great president in a tough situation.

http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal...
This woman is a disaster waiting to happen.........and all you conservatives know it!

What's the date today?  The 28th?  This is the last article on Palin to be found on this site.  It has been 18 days.  It's like I can hear the wind howling through the corridor.  You know, that spooky kind of silence?


I agree that there's no sexism going on here.  Truly.  Think of it this way.  If you put it all down on paper (voting record, investigation stuff, campaign lies, transcripts from those three interviews, etc.) and never named the candidate, what would most voters think?  Man or woman, it is frightening.  If it weren't so frightening, I'd be crying from laughing so hard.

Steve
Are you talking about Obama?????

Styx........

"Steve Are you talking about Obama?????"

You know, it is Pain!
She is NOT presidential material.
You know this.
Admit it.

now, why do you suppose this is?
a conservative woman states her opinion
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=
and her in-box is filled with hate mail.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093002315.html