pfft. He was guilty. It was a military coverup and this war is criminal and wrong.

Oh I love John Murtha, this is the Congressman who claims to have received a Bronze Star, and yes he did, however: What he does not tell anyone is that the Bronze Star he was awarded was not with the "V" clasp for Valor. This means it was not awarded for Herorism. John Murtha received a Bronze Star for Meriorious Service, which means for those who have never served in the Military, he received it for being a good little pencil pushing, paper shuffling Remington Ranger, ie: Shining the seat of his pants on a chair. John Murtha was not a hero, he was assigned to Civil Affairs-a Chairwarmer. This is the man the Liberals love to hold up as a shinning example of a so-called hero. Reminds me of John Forbes three purple hearts for mere scratches.

So a Bronze Star is not enough? It has to be a certain type of Bronze Star? I'm just asking.

I think Jason is a freaking retard and maybe he should go live in Afghanistan with all the poor little Taliban creatures that he sympathizes with and then my husband could shoot him along with all those murderers!

Oh Sammie...wanting to shoot those who disagree with us. That's as American as apple pie.

simonesdad

I can tell that you have never served in the Armed Forces of the United States, or maybe anyother Military Force. Yes just a Bronze Star is not enough to call oneself a hero. A Bronze Star witha "V" Clasp means that you were a Hero, otherwise it just means that you were a profecient paper shuffler, and not one damn thing more. Had you ever served in the Armed Forces of the United States you would understand that former servicemen and women do not appreciate those who claim to be something they are not. In fact we take a very dim view of them, and I am being extremely polite about how we regard people like that.

Very true. I have never been in the military. That's why I asked the question. It seems to me your issue is with the military. Since far more people in this country have not been in the military than have been in the military, I would think the average civilian would hear Bronze Star and think Bronze Star. For instance, when your service is up you are discharged. There are different distinctions as to how and under what circumstances you are discharged (ie honorable discharge, medical discharge etc).

My problem is that once you start to downgrade someone's achievements it never ends. A proficient paper pusher is part of the military machine. A championship basketball team has players who sweat it out on the court every night but someone has to book the flights and hotels and pay the bills and sell the tickets and make sure the players just concentrate on playing. When they win it all, everyone gets rings. No team is going to play at peak levels if they are worried about if they will be paid or fed or if they have a flight home or a place to stay on the road.

I appreciate anyone who volunteers for military service. You guys should get medals just for that. John McCain gets "credit" for being a POW. Would you say we should downgrade his service for getting caught or losing a plane (one of several planes he lost, BTW). You were in the military, so you know better than I that people with differing motives and different abilities sign up for service. It's almost like you are saying that if you didn't get a Bronze Star with or without a "V" clasp that you sucked at whatever duty they gave you because they are just giving them out for nothing, right? The value of the Bronze Star is the recognition of a job well done. You can't give it to yourself, correct? Someone, probably several someones, have to nominate and then approve it, right? Again, not a vet but I would imagine code breakers, translators, forensic IT specialist and others who have never spent a day on a battlefield would get the non "V" Bronze Star as well. Is that a fair assumption?

Want some hypocrisy? Murtha was outraged by the IED joke McCain made on a comedy show because of how offensive it was to our troops, but he has no problem accusing our troops, with no proof, of war crimes from his seat in Washington. What a great representation of everything that is wrong with the Democrat Party.

Interesting idea: holding people responsible for what they say, particularly when it isn't true, and hurts someone else.

Wait, I forgot: These are American Marines. That means they're guilty. Silly me, I forgot.

Simonesdad,
Please stop before you make yourself look like more of an idiot than you already are! Why not just say, "I concede the point that you folks wearing the uniform know more about what it means to be an American Patriot than I?" You embarrass yourself and your lot by attempting to go toe-to-toe with any of us that have sacrificed for you, your family, our nation, and less importantly, the others that will have not served yet will not give those of us that have credit for doing so.

If you want my respect, defend the liberties that you so flagrantly exploit with more than rhetoric!

I don't want your respect or need it. I give respect to you and anyone who has put on the uniform. I'm not sure how one flagrantly exploits liberty but ok you can have that one. I'm not conceding my patriotism to anyone, however. There are countless people in the history of this country who have never put on a uniform who are true patriots. America is not a military state. Military service is not required. Patriotism is love of country sir. You can no better speak to what's in my heart than I can your's sir. I'm glad you were willing to put your life on the line so that I can be free to tell you you are out of line sir. You fight for freedom, you don't police it. You don't own it. My suggestion to you is to continue fighting for it on my behalf and on behalf of every American. That is your duty and obligation sir. Your opinion counts just as much as mine. Your vote counts just as much as mine. You are not entitled to any more or any less rights because you volunteered for military service. If you are looking for some special credit, do something special. Just make sure it's the right kind of special so that you get the good Bronze Star not that one Murtha got. I readily admit that I don't know the inner workings of military life. My point was and is that the Bronze Star has a certain connotation. It is given to military people BY military people. If you guys think there should be disclaimers attached, take it up with those who issue them. In the meantime, I'll be right here flagrantly exploiting the liberty you fought for me to have.

I value my life too much to fight in a war. If a soldier wants to brag about how much more patriotic they are than me, so be it. I respect what soldiers do, I don't understand why they do it, but that is not my problem. I reap the benefits of their sacrifice, so I'm not complaining. I support my country through the ridiculous amount of taxes I throw away every year.

simonesdad:

The point I am makeing, which seems difficult for you to understand, is this, do not claim to have been awarded a decoration for herorism when in fact the award is not for that, but rather for Meriortorius Service. The "V" clasp means that you personally but your life on the line while receiving fire from an armed enemy, and went that one step beyound just merely doing your duty. The "V" clasp specifically indicates that you behaved in a manner "above and beyond the call of duty." Not quite at the level of a Silver Star, but beyond that which is normally expected, hence the meaning of the word Valor, which is what the "V" clasp on the Bronze Star signifies.

Your point IS difficult to understand. Under your logic you are saying that if John Murtha received the Bronze Star with the Valor clasp you would be critical of him because he didn't receive the Silver Star or Medal of Honor or the Super Bowl Trophy. John Murtha doesn't call himself a hero. That's a distinction bestowed upon him by others. Some people call every person in the military a hero by virtue of signing yourself up for conflict voluntarily. When you tell people of your service, I'm sure people call you a hero. That is people's prerogative to do so and beyond your's or anyone's control. My hope for you is that you gain an understanding that you are fighting for ALL Americans. Those who you agree with and those you don't. Those who support you and those who don't. Those who know more than you and those who know less. Your fellow soldiers and civilians. You don't know more about patriotism than me but you don't know less either. A uniform does not mean you corner the market on patriotism. It doesn't mean you get to determine who and how and how much we honor recipients of medals. Would you tell a vet that you were more patriotic than him because you volunteered and they were drafted? I imagine not.

simonesdad

Again you are misreading what I said. John Murtha, and the Democrats have falsely claimed that he is a hero, in that he received the Bronze Star. OK do you understand that part? The problem is that Congressman John Murtha did not receive a Bronze Star with a "V" clasp, which would clearly show that it was for heroric action, ok do you understand that part? He received a Bronze Star for Meriortious Service, which does not make him a HERO. IT WAS NOT FOR DOING ANYTHING HERORIC. WITHIN THE MILITARY THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF CERTIAN DECORATIONS, AMONG THESE ARE THE BRONZE STAR, IF IT IS AWARDED WITH A "V" CLASP THEN IT WAS FOR DOING SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY, ON THE OTHER HAND IF IT WAS NOT AWARDED WITH A "V" CLASP, THEN IT WAS FOR MERIORTIOUS SERVICE WHICH IS NOT FOR BEING OR DOING SOMETHING WHILE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN HOSTILE ACTION OR UNDER FIRE FROM A HOSTILE FORCE. THOSE OF US WHO HAVE SERVED TAKE GREAT OFFENSE WHEN SOMEONE CLAIMS TO BE A HERO, AND THEY WERE NOT.

did you not read simonesdad when he said,

"John Murtha doesn't call himself a hero. That's a distinction bestowed upon him by others"

so.......

since, "THOSE OF US WHO HAVE SERVED TAKE GREAT OFFENSE WHEN SOMEONE CLAIMS TO BE A HERO, AND THEY WERE NOT."

Dont take offense, cause he is not claiming such

dummy

Sarge,

I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. What you don't get apparently is that your problem is not with Murtha. Thank you HH. I thought I was losing my mind. The average, everyday, run of the mill, person on the street doesn't distinguish Bronze Stars. It's an award given by the military. If you really don't like people calling Murtha a hero start a freakin 527 and run ads explaining it to anyone who will listen (or gives a rat's ass). Otherwise you just sound petty or jealous or bitter or all of the above. You should concern yourself with who YOUR heroes are and stop trying to be the hero police. Bottom line, this guy served in the same military you are serving in now. Someone, not him, but someone with rank, decided that whatever it is they asked him to do, he did it at the highest level. Did he have bullets flying at him at the time? No, but he went above and beyond in the minds of his superiors. I would hope your superiors would recognize you in the same way...and if people wanted to call you a hero or distinguished soldier or great American because of that, then so be it. If people want to call you, Sarge, a hero just for signing on the dotted line at the recruiters office, that's fine too. NONE OF US CAN CONTROL HOW OTHERS CHOOSE TO VIEW YOUR'S OR ANYONE'S MILITARY SERVICE. Is John Murtha supposed to go around and say hey guys don't call me a hero? Don't give any credence to my Bronze Star? Ignore my service please? What exactly is he supposed to do?

I'm actually arguing for your position. I assume you are a McCain supporter. Everyone knows he was a POW and war hero, correct? But what if someone came a long and said he is a war hero BUT, he crashed a million dollars worth of planes or he graduated in the bottom 1% of his class or he only got to fly planes in the first place because of who is father and/or grandfather was or he refuses to make his military record public by signing a 180 waiver form as John Kerry did. You would be outraged I imagine. How dare you question John McCain's service record, you would write in all CAPS. It's the same as saying John Murtha received the Bronze Star but.....

Think about that the next time you want to start tearing down someone's military accomplishments.

Simonesdad,
I apologize for a misstatement in my previous comment...I do not want your respect. After all, how can one respect a person who vehemently spouts diatribes about love of country yet questions the very people who voluntarily lay down their lives to defend her?
You talk from both sides of your mouth in reference to this subject, and probably do not even realize it (because you suffer severe cranial-anal inversion). Great example; you state that John McCain "gets credit for being a POW", and then concede that Murtha received a Bronze Star for pushing paper, yet defend his position. I have terrific words for idiots like you, but I prefer to use you as an example for my troops of a slithery, squirmy worm who seeks to avoid getting involved in the defense of our nation and its liberties, but is number one at the plate to invoke the rights that you were given on the backs of true patriots.

Two more love notes for you, in response to your ridiculous commentary:
"There are countless people in the history of this country who have never put on a uniform who are true patriots."
You aren't one of those! Have you dumped tea in a harbor? Ever fired a musket at the whites of your enemy's eyes? Thought not! Don't smugly pronounce yourself a patriot and diminish the service of those who have done what you dared not do yourself, okay? You SIR, are no patriot. You SIR, are a side line hugging spectator commenting because you didn't like the play that was called. Easy to do, and best of all for you, SAFE.

And my favorite: "...he crashed a million dollars worth of planes or he graduated in the bottom 1% of his class or he only got to fly planes in the first place because of who is father and/or grandfather was or he refuses to make his military record public by signing a 180 waiver form as John Kerry did."
I'm sure you have a point buried in the rhetoric...perhaps we'll all gasp and exclaim, "My gosh, John McCain lost aircraft prior to being hit by a surface-to-air missile and spending 6 years in a prisoner of war camp...please, I must vote for a democrat!"

I have wasted enough time trying to help you realize what it means to DEFEND life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You don't and won't get it, and for that you are indeed sorry.

Heathenhater,
Before stereotyping anyone, perhaps you should do a little introspection...I believe the "dummy" of which you speak will stare back at you, with glazed eyes, if you spend a few moments looking in the mirror.

Rick,

If I can serve as a motivating example for you and your troops to continue fighting for my freedom while I safely stay on side lines then, "you're welcome." Keep defending my freedom and I'll keep exercising my freedom. Someone has to guard the door and someone has to live in the house. I said it before and I'll say it again, you are no more or less a patriot than me simply because you wear a uniform. Your obvious disdain for Americans who have not served in the military means you do not like the overwhelming majority of people for whom you risk your life to protect. That is a choice you made. I appreciate your decision but it doesn't mean that you have the first and last word on all things patriotic. I'm going to keep doing what I do and I suggest you concentrate on protecting my right to do it.

HH

For your information, John Mirtha, when he first ran for Congress, did in fact hold himself up as a former Marine, and a Hero declaring that he had won the Bronze Star. Therefore before you stick your foot in your mouth as you usually do, know your facts, which as usual you do not.

Sarge_RSVN is a fraud and never served in the military.  What a fake and a fraud and a piece of filth he is with no life.  He is 65 years old with a fat no I take that back a HUGE whale of a wife who looks underage.  He sits in a Paltalk room and hides and spouts lies to the zombies that listen to him.  I'd hate to say I'd punch an old fart like him but if I ever seen him I probably would just for the good of humanity.

Sarge RSVN, you know you r doing something right when the morons start with the insults. =)