The speech that McCain should have opened with at the Presidential Debate

October 3rd, 2008 Urban Conservative

Senator Obama, if you really want to play the political game of guilt by association; if you truly want your level of judgment to be determined by the company you keep, I’d be more than happy to entertain that discussion.

You’ve attempted to tie me in with George Bush because his approval ratings are low. Obviously his presidency has been filled with difficult times, tough decisions and controversial positions but I’m not here to defend him. George Bush is not running for president. I am.  If tying me to President Bush is the best argument you have for proving my inadequacy to lead this country, then you have a very poor argument.  While I have worked in unity with the Bush administration and my party on many occasions my record - available for all to see - clearly demonstrates that I have also fought against President Bush aggressively and often on important issues. I’ve challenged them on immigration, spending, the handling of the war in Iraq, climate change, the torture of prisoners, Guantanamo Bay, you name it.

For your part in this discussion you launched your presidential campaign from the home of William Ayers (aka Bill Ayers); a terrorist during the 60’s and 70’s responsible for the bombing of the Pentagon among other atrocities. To this day your friend William Ayers is unapologetic for his actions. As a community organizer you looked to the leadership of Saul Alinsky. Controversial in his own right, Alinsky was a self described radical whose hope was to tear down the establishment. His book “Rules for Radicals” proudly cited Lucifer (also known as Satan or the devil) as the example of the first radical in history. As a community organizer you worked closely with ACORN, a group found to be corrupt and under investigation for voter fraud every election cycle. For 20 years you sat under the spiritual leadership of Jeremiah Wright who is known for damning our country, cursing white America and preaching hatred from the pulpit. You have admittedly turned to James Meeks for spiritual mentorship, a man whose views mirror Jeremiah Wright

Senator Obama, if our level of judgment should be determined by the company we keep then I would suggest, based on your company, that you have no good sense of judgment whatsoever.

But let us move on from this discussion. Leave the possibility of guilt by association behind us. Let’s act as though our affiliations should not influence the vote in our bids for the White House; just base our campaigns on our public service records alone.

As I’ve mentioned before, I’ve crossed the aisle and stood up to my own party to move legislation forward for the good of the country. Four years ago I, along with many of my Republican colleagues stood before congress and expressed our grave concern that something needed to be done about Fannie and Freddie. Your democratic allies waived us off and your current economic advisor Franklin Raines, who was the Fannie Mae CEO at the time, stated that he was simply offended that we would paint Fannie Mae in that light. Two years ago I attempted to pass legislation that would reform the oversight of Fannie and Freddie but the bill was defeated. You voted against it. President Bush requested over 16 times for regulatory reforms over Fannie and Freddie and every time your democratic allies defeated the reforms.

The deregulation of these two firms occurred during the Clinton administration under the guidance of Allen Greenspan. The weaknesses in our economy were then exasperated when the Democratic party encouraged lenders to provide mortgages to consumers who were not able to afford the loan. This came to be known as low-income housing.

In addition to you and your colleague’s impact on the current state of our country’s economy you should also know that the 2nd most contributions provided by Fannie Mae were received by you last year; the top recipient, Chris Dodd, one of the Democratic architects of the bail-out plan that just passed.

In your discussions on the economy you attack me for only giving tax breaks to the rich! This is a bold faced lie that Democrats have been trying to sell for years. Unlike your tax plan, our tax cuts treat every American equally. The same tax rate is applied to everyone across the board whether you are making $25,000 or $250,000. There is no special treatment being given to anyone. You purposefully select a group of hardworking Americans to tax at a higher rate in order to support another segment of the population. Who is the government and who are you to have the authority take money from a select group of private individuals and distribute it as you see fit? It’s not your money to play with. You’ve stated in many speeches that you would force people to become engaged. Force! The government should not be forcing its will on anyone, let alone discriminate against a select group of the American population.

Senator Obama, you’ve come here declaring yourself as the unifier and the agent of change yet you have never once voted against your own party. Not once have you stood up to them on any issue. In fact your positions have proven time and time again that your place in government is far too the left and out of touch with mainstream America. You’ve gone so far as to vote 4 times against a bill in the Illinois legislature that would have provided child care for unwanted babies born alive. The consequences of your actions resulted in babies being allowed to die from neglect in the nearest hospital utility closet.

In your campaign for change you’ve chosen Joe Biden as your running mate; as senator who has been in Washington longer than I have. Your plans for the war in Iraq have been declared dangerous by the generals on the ground, your stance on Russia has proved weak and erroneous and your diplomatic philosophy on negations without pre-conditions is touted by many as naïve and damaging.

I have a record of reform and bi-partisanship, what record you have is consistent with party lines and dangerous in your economic, social and foreign policies.

Senator Obama, I am no George Bush and you are obviously no agent of change.

McCain doesn’t have the balls to be this forthright as it might damage his honor. And unfortunately, it’s his honor that might cost him the election. Wake up John. There is still some time!.

tags: Bill Ayers and Obama, Jeremiah Wright and Obama, james meeks and obama, Acorn and Obama, Franklin Raines and Obama, Fannie Mae CEO, Economic Advisor, Chris Dodd

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  • Janet Wilson
    THIS IS BULLSHIT. ALL THESE ACCUSATIONS HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG. CAN'T YOU NEOCONS BE HONEST, FOR ONCE?  IS IT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK? CAN'T YOU GET OVER YOUR RACISM. IT'S THE 20TH CENTURY!

    FUCKING CONS.
  • toe
    Perhaps McCain should use this, since it is so filled with errors, it would only serve to further show how inept McCain is.  It also shows, Mr UC- that you are not content with having left a variety of videos and posts that suggest and repeat known lies, you compound this with more lies.  How is is that you are so unable to do any research at all???????
     "...launched your presidential campaign from the home of  William Ayers"  LIE.  The only fundraiser held at Mr. Ayers home was when Obama first ran for state legislature.  Ayers donated $200. They both lived in the same district. 
     "Your democratic allies waived us off and your current economic advisor Franklin Raines" LIE. Flat out.  Look it up.  -
     ".... 2nd most contributions provided by Fannie Mae "  LIE    by employees of fannie mae- not from the company itself.
    "You’ve gone so far as to vote 4 times against a bill in the Illinois legislature that would have provided child care for unwanted babies born alive."  A total misrepresentation of the bill and why Obama voted against it. Under the wording of the bill, if passed could undermine Roe vs. Wade.  in addition to the fact that such a law regarding unwanted babies born alive was already in place.
    "Your plans for the war in Iraq have been declared dangerous by the generals on the ground, your stance on Russia has proved weak and erroneous and your diplomatic philosophy on negations without pre-conditions is touted by many as naïve and damaging."  LIE WRONG AND UTTERLY UNTRUE.  military leaders have made no such comment...and the Leader of Iraq (and a majority of US troops on the ground) support Obama's "timeline" and leadership.  With regards to meeting "the enemy" without pre-conditions" has even been taken to be right and necessary by Bush. 
     
    McCain has been right up Bush's butt every step of the way when it comes to Iraq.  McCain has been MR. Deregulation-  right along with Bush and his "Ownership Society".  McCain fundamentally agrees with the Bush Doctrine and Reagonomics - the exact two things that have left us where we are today.
    And you call this "change"???  VIA McCain???? 

    Oh dear, Mr. Uc- you need more help than anyone here can provide.  
  • Janet Wilson
    toe, you are completely right. this site is so full of shit.
  • mario
     "...launched your presidential campaign from the home of  William Ayers"  LIE.  The only fundraiser held at Mr. Ayers home was when Obama first ran for state legislature.  Ayers donated $200. They both lived in the same district.  

    they are still affiliated and have worked together in the past; and Obama has not discussed this publicly. Why?
     "Your democratic allies waived us off and your current economic advisor Franklin Raines" LIE. Flat out.  Look it up.  - 

    source?
     ".... 2nd most contributions provided by Fannie Mae "  LIE    by employees of fannie mae- not from the company itself.

    source?
    "You’ve gone so far as to vote 4 times against a bill in the Illinois legislature that would have provided child care for unwanted babies born alive."  A total misrepresentation of the bill and why Obama voted against it. Under the wording of the bill, if passed could undermine Roe vs. Wade.  in addition to the fact that such a law regarding unwanted babies born alive was already in place.

    He still voted against it.  McCain needs to expand on this.

    "Your plans for the war in Iraq have been declared dangerous by the generals on the ground, your stance on Russia has proved weak and erroneous and your diplomatic philosophy on negations without pre-conditions is touted by many as naïve and damaging."  LIE WRONG AND UTTERLY UNTRUE.  military leaders have made no such comment...and the Leader of Iraq (and a majority of US troops on the ground) support Obama's "timeline" and leadership.  With regards to meeting "the enemy" without pre-conditions" has even been taken to be right and necessary by Bush.  

    You are wrong here. I heard General Patreaus say this on the news in the past.
     
    McCain has been right up Bush's butt every step of the way when it comes to Iraq.  McCain has been MR. Deregulation-  right along with Bush and his "Ownership Society".  McCain fundamentally agrees with the Bush Doctrine and Reagonomics - the exact two things that have left us where we are today.

    You are wrong on Reagaonomics.  His policies did nothing but build the economy.  Most economic decisions made by Presidents usuually take years before we start seeing result. You didn't know that?
    Oh dear, Mr. Uc- you need more help than anyone here can provide.  

    Can't speak for UC ... but he ALWAYS brings up good points, even if he is EXTREME and stretches the truth at times (but then again, ALL POLITICIANS DO THIS ALSO).
  • toe
    "mario"- you seem to have access to a computer- just google it- it's all there. 
    (hint: you won't find the truth- or anything close to it - clicking on individual racist blogs or right wing web sites.- oh- that might be redundant) 
    let me give you just a little push in the proper direction:
     
    The Washington Post characterizes John McCain's attempts to connect Sen. Obama with Franklin Raines based on their reporting as "a stretch."  All reporting the Washington Post did about the matter stems from a single conversation a reporter had with Raines, in which she recalls Raines said "he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign."
     
    The Facts

    The McCain video attempts to link Obama to Franklin Raines, the former CEO of the bankrupt mortgage giant, Fannie Mae, who also happens to be African American. It then shows a photograph of an elderly white woman taxpayer who has supposedly been "stuck with the bill" as a result of the "extensive financial fraud" at Fannie Mae.
    The Obama campaign last night issued a statement by Raines insisting, "I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters." Obama spokesman Bill Burton went a little further, telling me in an e-mail that the campaign had "neither sought nor received" advice from Raines "on any matter."
     
    you might wish to inform yourself further:
     
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/obamas_fannie_mae_connection.html
     now get busy mario- try not to be as uninformed as you sound.
  • pnin
    toe, you google it. Only after McCain called out Obama on his connections to Franklin Raines, Obama started to lie his way out of it.

    Here is a Freerepublic post that noted a wikipeda entry prior to its recent purging:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2085498/posts


    Franklin Raines

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Franklin Delano Raines (born January 14, 1949 in Seattle, Washington) is the former chairman and chief executive officer of Fannie Mae who served as White House budget director under President Bill Clinton. He is currently employed by Barack Obama's Presidential Campaign as an economic adviser.
     
    The son of a Seattle janitor [1], Raines graduated from Harvard University, Harvard Law School; and Magdalen College, Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar. Raines was of age during the Vietnam War, but performed no military service. He served in the Carter Administration as associate director for economics and government in the Office of Management and Budget and assistant director of the White House Domestic Policy Staff from 1977 to 1979. Then he joined Lazard Freres and Co., where he worked for 11 years and became a general partner. In 1991 he became Fannie's Mae's Vice Chairman, a post he left in 1996 in order to join the Clinton Administration as the Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, where he served until 1998. In 1999, he returned to Fannie Mae as CEO, "the first black man to head a Fortune 500 company."[1]
     
    On December 21, 2004 Raines accepted what he called "early retirement" [2] from his position as CEO while U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigators continued to investigate alleged accounting irregularities. He is accused by The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), the regulating body of Fannie Mae, of abetting widespread accounting errors, which included the shifting of losses so senior executives, such as himself, could earn large bonuses [3].
     
    In 2006, the OFHEO announced a suit against Raines in order to recover some or all of the $50 million in payments made to Raines based on the overstated earnings [4] initially estimated to be $9 billion but have been announced as 6.3 billion.[2].
    Civil charges were filed against Raines and two other former executives by the OFHEO in which the OFHEO sought $110 million in penalties and $115 million in returned bonuses from the three accused.[5] On April 18, 2008, the government announced a settlement with Raines together with J. Timothy Howard, Fannie's former chief financial officer, and Leanne G. Spencer, Fannie's former controller. The three executives agreed to pay fines totaling about $3 million, which will be paid by Fannie's insurance policies. Raines also agreed to donate the proceeds from the sale of $1.8 million of his Fannie stock and to give up stock options. The stock options however have no value. Raines also gave up an estimated $5.3 million of "other benefits" said to be related to his pension and forgone bonuses.[6]
    An editorial in The Wall Street Journal called it a "paltry settlement" which allowed Raines and the other two executives to "keep the bulk of their riches." [7] In 2003 alone, Raines's compensation was over $20 million.[3]
     
    A statement issued by Raines said of the consent order, "is consistent with my acceptance of accountability as the leader of Fannie Mae and with my strong denial of the allegations made against me by OFHEO."[4]
    In a settlement with OFHEO and the Securities and Exchange Commission, Fannie paid a record $400 million civil fine. Fannie, which is the largest American financier and guarantor of home mortgages, also agreed to make changes in its corporate culture and accounting procedures and ways of managing risk. [8]
    In June 2008 Wall Street Journal reported that Franklin Raines was one of several politicians who received below market rates loans at Countrywide Financial because the corporation considered the officeholders "FOA's"--"Friends of Angelo" (Countrywide Chief Executive Angelo Mozilo). He received loans for
  • simonesdad2008
    "McCain doesn’t have the balls to be this forthright as it might damage his honor. And unfortunately, it’s his honor that might cost him the election. Wake up John. There is still some time!."

    If McCain doesn't have the balls to say all of this garbage as you say, why do you want him to be the president?  The president should have the balls to say whatever to whomever, whenever.  If McCain believes all of that stuff and he puts "country first" he would be required to say it, right?  Would Rove or Atwater hold back?  What about the Swift Boat morons?  Why don't they or a bunch of 527's flood the airwaves with your assertions?  Look, it's now or never, right?  Just start swinging wildly and hope something connects.  Maybe McCain can suspend his campaign once a week until Nov. 4th.  Maybe he should pull out of every state except for Florida a la Guiliani.  Maybe he should let the pitbull off of her leash.  Quite frankly, I expected a lot of this crap much earlier than now.  Obama/Biden is 2-0 in debates.  Polls are starting to solidify.  Undecideds and independents are turned off by Palin and the old man doesn't do it for them either.  So have at it.  Smear and fear.  Maybe Willie Horton is around somewhere.  Maybe you can get Homeland Security to raise the threat level or something.  Maybe that infanticide story will finally get some traction.  Honor my ass.
  • harrysmom
    UC- you put a great deal of time into this- kudos.  Too bad it was a waste of that time.  John McCain does not have the "balls" to say half of this because it's false and he will get exposed by the fact checkers, and he repeatedly says the other half (along with his pundits every day on the news day in and day out) and it's not holding water with the American people.  


    You know what McCain's problem is?  He's creepy.  I mean, let's get honest here and down to brass tacks.  The man is creepy.  He's come off like a creepy old letch who literally delivers speeches like a monotone wind up toy.  In short, he's not likable.  *enter Sarah Palin- who came in to save the day on the likability factor.  But to most of the American public, she's not likable either.  She's cute and has a great ass, but it's so obvious that she's out of her league on the national stage and the big crush that McCain seems to have on her has depleted his likability even more.


    You can waste your time writing wet dream speeches for McCain all you want.  First, he doesn't secretly read them on his "Straight Talk Express" in order to get advise from his "real supporters" out there. And second, if he did deliver that dribble in public, Obama would come back with something that would fry every word of it- and that is what McCain doesn't have the balls for.  It's not about honor with McCain, it's about avoiding embarrassment.
  • steve
    Jesus!  Talk about 'tying' people.  If Obama is such a bad guy for his 'relationship' to Bill Ayers (all of which was for good causes, by the way), then the following people should be exiled from the USA...


    Victoria Chou - Dean of the College of Education - University of Illinois
    Marsha Humphries, Tim Shanahan, Adrian Capehart, James Gavelek, Susan Goldman, Gerald Graff, Eric Gutstein, Eleni Katsarou, Lena Licon Kristy, Theodore Lightfoot, Marvin Lynn, Yolanda Majors, Daniel Miltner, Carole Mitchener, Marlynne Nishimura, Irma Olmedo, Christine Pappas, James Pellegrino...just some of the people who work with Ayers EVERY SINGLE DAY AS FACULTY OF THE SCHOOL OF EDUCATION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT CHICAGO.  They should be fired, the Dean should be fired for continuing to work with Ayers, oh hell, just shut down the entire university, exile all of it's members and students and the parents of those students and anyone who has ever donated to the university and, heck, anyone living in Chicago for not doing anything to stop this horrible man from being employed there - or anywhere, for that matter!!!!!!


    McCain and all his people and his pigs on FOX NOISE are so incredibly full of it and so desparate - they just can't see that they are making themselves the laughing stock of the world (remember, there's this thing called the 'internets' and people around the world see what's going on).


    It's all so tiring!
  • Judy
    What about McCain’s connection to organized crime?  McCain didn’t seem to find a problem with using the finances and political connections of his father-in-law, Jim Hensley, a man who had close ties with organized crime. In 1948 Hensley was convicted of Federal charges, and in 1977, Hensley had close ties with who many believed was responsible for the murder of Don Bolles, the Arizona Republic reporter. Hensley was also in the thick of it with the Keating 5, of which McCain was one of the “5”.  I don’t think Obama serving on a non-profit organization with Ayers (whose illegal activities took place when Obama was a child, and who was now a college professor) comes close to McCain’s affiation with organized crime.  In 1995 McCain was also invited to the birthday party of crime boss Joe Banano.
  • steve
    JUDY:  Where can I find proof of what you say?
  • toe
    I don't know of any specific ties to organized crime for McCain there have been rumblings on this- but he has spent time with :
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/11/mccain-celebrated-70th-bi_n_125704.html?page=5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oClAtjI29HA

    McCain  has ties to the Nevada gambling biz.  casino interests, and gambling lobbyists.  McCain's personal  gambling habit has been something his "handlers" have tried to keep from becoming a problem
    and suggested to McCain that it was not good for his image.
    McCain poo-pooed it. 


    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?hp=&pagewanted=all
    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/democrats_quest.html
    http://www.truthout.org/092808A
    http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20080928/znyt02/809280320
    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-mccain_28pol.ART.State.Edition1.26e2692.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/3098739/John-McCains-gambling-habit-could-alienate-Christian-Republicans.html
  • toe
    and that, mario - is how you do your homework.
  • guade00
    This is revisionist history at its right-wing talk radio and Fox News finest. Read the statutes. Read history. Stop listening to these political hacks. The Republican era of free market ideological sophistry is over. The final nail in the Reagan coffin has been hammered. The Chicago school of economics has proven to be a fraud. Bush or McCain have never understood the costs of deregulation--until now. Thank goodness, it's over!
  • commander
    Imagine, for a moment, that John McCain declared that his spiritual mentor for the past twenty years was a pastor who was openly anti-Semitic and hated blacks. Imagine that a political fundraiser was held for him at the home of an unrepentant radical who had bombed abortion clinics, or of a former leader of the German-American Bund who had gotten off of federal charges in World War II on a technicality. It is inconceivable that the leftist commenters here would agree that none of this matters and that voters should not let themselves be distracted from the really important issues of how to win in Iraq and how to rein in federal spending.

    Yet, not to put too fine a point on it, Wright is an anti-Semite and a racist, Ayers is a traitor and a terrorist who self-consciously sought to open up a domestic front of the Vietnam War to facilitate the victory of communism in Indochina, Saul Alinsky is a self described radical whose hope was to tear down the establishment. ACORN, election fraud specialists. Franklin Raines, It’s not as though Obama didn’t know Raines’ past.  Apparently, he just didn’t care. Worse, none seem to harbor any doubts or regrets about their conduct. Because there are no enemies on the left, Obama’s supporters in the commentariat do not see anything wrong with this picture. Yet millions of Americans do.
  • toe
    At least three of McCain's GOP colleagues have gone on record to say that they consider him temperamentally unsuited to be commander in chief. Smith, the former senator from New Hampshire, has said that McCain's "temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him." Sen. Domenici of New Mexico has said he doesn't "want this guy anywhere near a trigger." And Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi weighed in that "the thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded."

    Evidence of his erratic behavior  we all have seen,  first hand, (the past two weeks alone gave evidence of this). 
    The very befuddled, very corrupt, very opportunistic  McCain has been on the wrong side of regulation, the banking industry (Keating) , diplomacy, good decision making, and honesty - this is the most consistant thing about McCain.

    It's never been "country first" with McCain- It has ALWAYS been all about McCain.   Period.
  • toe
    forever the opportunist looking to get the spotlight and take credit for other's work:

    Last year, after barging into a bipartisan meeting on immigration legislation and attempting to seize the reins, McCain was called out by fellow GOP Sen. John Cornyn of Texas. "Wait a second here," Cornyn said. "I've been sitting in here for all of these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You're out of line." McCain exploded: "Fuck you! I know more about this than anyone in the room." The incident foreshadowed McCain's 11th-hour theatrics in September, when he abruptly "suspended" his campaign and inserted himself into the Wall Street bailout debate at the last minute, just as congressional leaders were attempting to finalize a bipartisan agreement.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print
  • harrysmom
    Commander
    The problem with 'exposing' some dirt in someone's past is that the 'exposer' looks stupid when it comes out that they have only exposed half truths (as in the case of Ayers.  As for Wright, he's not racist, he's a liberation theologist- as was and are many of the African American leaders in this country.  And if you listen to Obama's "More Perfect Union" speech, delivered after the tape of Wright was released to the media by the Republicans, you would know that Obama disagrees with the words used.  I am Episcopalian and I have disagreed with a lot of the political spew that has come out over the past 6 years on gay marriage etc... but I have stayed with my church because it's my church.  You would think a conservative would appreciate that.  Jeez.


    The second danger in being an "exposer" is that you leave yourself open for exposure yourself.  If McCain wants to go there and tell lies, then I have one word to say, and can follow it up with thousands of words on the subject:  Keating. Care to go there?  Let's have at it.
  • harrysmom
    Oh, and don't you think that Americans learned their lesson after the swiftboat bs of 2004?  I think (hope) that they now understand that allowing such ridiculous tactics to affect and election proves to be the undoing of the country.  But oh yea- it's country first for McCain.  Lord, that man is looking more and more desperate every day.  


    And can I just say something really hegemonic for a moment?  Why is he letting a girl (Palin) do his fighting for him?  I've said it before and I'll say it again- the man is a coward and he has displayed conduct that is unbecoming.  And commander, if that's what you really are, then you know what I'm talking about.  Honor your country and vote for Obama.
  • Sceptical Republican
    Why is it that Obama's relationships with a convicted felon, a terrorist, and a racist preacher is off the table for analysis and discussion? The main stream media has spent days and weeks dumpster diving in Wasilla, Alaska, to dig up dirt on Sarah Palin. But Obama gets a free pass on Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko and Reverend Wright.

    Let's take Ayers. He was a member of Weather Underground, a domestic terrorist organization that planned attacks on the Pentagon and the Capitol, set off bombs and killed a policeman in San Francisco. Ayers has never apologized for this and in fact said he "didn't do enough".

    All this happened while Barack Obama was a child. So there's his defense: "What that man did Barack Obama has condemned. And by the way, he did it when Barack Obama was 8 years old. Come on," Democratic senator McCaskill said.

    But consider this: While Obama was a child during the bombings, he was certainly a grown up when he held his first political fund raiser -- in Ayer's private home! What kind of judgment does this show? And where's the "condemnation" McCaskill refers to? Are we supposed to believe that Obama first uses Ayers to raise money, then later condemns him?

    There is a long chain of bad judgment calls in Obama's political life. He bought his house in a shady real estate deal from a man who was later convicted for fraud and is now in prison. His pastor for 20 years calls for God to "damn America" and claims that white people intentionally inflicted AIDS on blacks. His first fund raiser was held in the house of a terrorist, and he served on the board of an organization founded by this terrorist for years afterwards.

    There's no doubt Obama has given many inspiring speeches and has a charming and charismatic personality. But Americans should consider his actions, not just his lofty words. They don't add up.

    http://scepticalrepublican.blogspot.com/
  • toe
    "skeptic",  "commander", "stix", Mr UC, and the rest of you are utterly bewildered that your long held ideology has been shown for what it is:  absolute folly ...so much so that you continue to repeat known lies to somehow justify your ruin.
     Facts, to you, seem something not worth noting when they blow away what you deem to be true. 
    Think about it.
    When is the last political ad you saw that stated any positive item, any programs, any new ideas,  any reference to any items of any specific nature that McCain has done??  What has he done to demonstrate one iota that he is presidential material? 
    Hmmm... let's see.  OH, none. 
    And why is that? 
    Hmmm...oh yeah,  because all he has done is support failed policy and cannot run from these  fast enough.   So...what does one do to take attention from your record... you point fingers at your opposition and make him out to be whatever the crowd before you fears most.  Ignorance creates suspicion-suspicion creates fear...fear creates hate...  politicians know this better than they know who their biggest donors are. 
    It's pretty clear that McCain is NOT the choice of Americans with latest polls that indicate McCain is slipping so fast he cannot run fast enough to even remain in the same spot....what to do...what to do? 
    Do what he has always done when in trouble...LIE AND CHEAT...and go as negative as possible to create the fear he needs from ignorant people.
    It does not take much to look beyond the words and find the truth- but for you here who feel your conservative ideology threatened- are willing to buy what he's selling without even a sideways glance.  
    The Bill Ayers "connection" and the Rezco lies have been debunked over and over and over in multiple places - not the least of which are PUBLIC RECORDS that are open to anyone actually wanting the truth.  How easy is that????
    I am going to place a link here- but since most of you are too lazy or ignorant or unwilling to accept the fact that you have been snookered - I will place the article here as well:

    CHICAGO – At a tumultuous meeting of anti-Vietnam War militants at the Chicago Coliseum in 1969, Bill Ayers helped found the radical Weathermen, launching a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol.
    Twenty-six years later, at a luncheon meeting about school reform in a Chicago skyscraper, Barack Obama met Mr. Ayers, by then an education professor. Their paths have crossed sporadically since then, at a coffee Mr. Ayers hosted for Mr. Obama's first run for office, on the schools project and a charitable board, and in casual encounters as Hyde Park neighbors.
     
    Minimizing link?
     

    Conservative critics who accuse Mr. Obama of a stealth radical agenda have asserted that he has misleadingly minimized his relationship with Mr. Ayers, whom the candidate has dismissed as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" and "somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know."
    A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8."
    Federal riot and bombing conspiracy charges against Mr. Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of illegal wiretaps and other prosecutorial misconduct.
    Since earning a doctorate in education at Columbia in 1987, Mr. Ayers has been a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, an author or editor of 15 books, and an advocate of school reform.
    In March 1995, Mr. Obama became chairman of a board that oversaw the distribution of Annenberg school reform grants in Chicago. Mr. Ayers helped lead an effort to secure those grants. Some bloggers have recently speculated that Mr. Ayers had engineered that post for him.
     
    Played no role
     

    In fact, according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama's appointment. Archives of the Chicago Annenberg project, which funneled the money to networks of schools from 1995 to 2000, show both men attended six board meetings early in the project – Mr. Obama as chairman, Mr. Ayers to brief members on school issues.
    It was later in 1995 that Mr. Ayers hosted the gathering, in a townhouse three blocks from Mr. Obama's home, at which state Sen. Alice J. Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced Mr. Obama to a few Democratic friends as her chosen successor. That was one of several such neighborhood events as Mr. Obama prepared to run, said A.J. Wolf, the 84-year-old emeritus rabbi of KAM Isaiah Israel Synagogue, across the street from Mr. Obama's current house.
    In addition, from 2000 to 2002, the two overlapped on the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago charity that had supported Mr. Obama's first work as a community organizer in the 1980s. Charity officials said the board met about a dozen times in that period but declined to make public the minutes.
    A board member at the time, R. Eden Martin, described both men as conscientious in examining proposed projects but could recall nothing remarkable about their dealings with each other. "You had people who were liberal and some who were pretty conservative, but we usually reached a consensus," Mr. Martin said of the panel.
    Since 2002, there is little public evidence of their relationship.
    Mr. Obama's friends said that history is utterly irrelevant to judging the candidate, because Mr. Ayers was never a significant influence on him. Even some conservatives who know Mr. Obama said that if he was drawn to Ayers-style radicalism, he hid it well.
    "I saw no evidence of a radical streak, either overt or covert, when we were together at Harvard Law School," said Bradford A. Berenson, who worked on the Harvard Law Review with Mr. Obama and served as associate White House counsel under President Bush. Mr. Berenson, who backs Sen. John McCain, called his schoolmate "a pragmatic liberal" whose moderation frustrated others at the law review whose views were much further to the left.
     http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-ayers_05pol.ART.State.Edition1.2698a11.html
  • Guest

    <span style="font-size: small; font-family: Calibri;">Toe - are you sure you are not Michelle Obama in disguise? You talk about Obama like he is the messiah and has no faults or questionable past relationships.</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Do you actually believe everything you spew here?

  • toe
    since you are yelling, i must have touched a nerve.
    oh...and mr. uc...  prove  anything above that i have said is false.

    go read rolling stone's article on McCain.

    go read Public Records.

    stop the lies, Mr. Uc
  • Guest
    am I yelling?  Wow, so answer my question.  <span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Calibri;">You talk about Obama like he is the messiah and has no faults or questionable past relationships.</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Do you actually believe everything you spew here?
  • amber 2
    Republicans are fucking idiots.
  • Guest
    amber must want to get banned from this site.  Keep it up.
  • toe
    Mr. UC- to my knowledge, I have never placed one single item here that I knew to be untrue.  I cannot say the same for you- you even admitted that you did it for "entertainment".
    You critique every source, from the congressional record to media matters- yet, when I have asked you to provide any information that was faulty- you could not...you have claimed drudge as your  "reliable" source- I mean really, Mr. UC-  it's common knowledge that this is a conservative website and hardly unbiased by any stretch of the imagination.  
    I have no problem with individuals having opinions- I have stated this over and over again.  Nobody denies you this.  Rather than having any sort of discussion here- using the opportunity the internet affords to "speak" to others,  you seem to spend a great deal of time in the business of ridicule.  Look at your posts-  your approach to discussion is the same as McCain's "pre-conditions"-  you start out by insulting all those that would disagree with you,  that they are "uninformed"- that liberals are ripe for ridicule in your world and the cause of every problem that you see...the ruin of America, that they could never even hope to measure up to whatever it is that you have decided makes you better than "them". 

    There are two ways to fix things- you get a hammer and force it to make it fit in place - or you use the proper tools and glue that will bind it in place properly.   
    McCain uses the "hammer"-you see the results of this.  
    Obama's "tools and glue" are the understanding that nothing positive can result in divisive words and behavior,  and the glue is the ability to reason and take logical steps to address the situation.
  • toe
    pnin- do you even know or understand what wikipedia is??   anyone ...anyone can go there and alter information .
    hardly your best source of anything.  ever. 

    your mention of the FREE REPUBLIC  is interesting, since it mirrors the attitudes and politics of the KKK.   does not say much for you now, does it?


  • harrysmom
    Since we are using Wikipedia as our reliable sources now......



    The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle(D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).
    The result of the collapse of Lincoln Savings and Loan was that 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings. After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
     
    Let's see now, McCain is accusing Obama of poor judgement, but clearly he is the one who was investigated and accused of the same by the SENATE ETHICS COMMITTEE.  Hmmmmmmmmmm...  I think McCain is going down a very very dangerous path.  But that's fine.  Let him fry.
  • harrysmom
    Since we are using Wikipedia as our reliable sources now......



    The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle(D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB).
    The result of the collapse of Lincoln Savings and Loan was that 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings. After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".
     
    Let's see now, McCain is accusing Obama of poor judgement, but clearly he is the one who was investigated and accused of the same by the SENATE ETHICS COMMITTEE.  Hmmmmmmmmmm...  I think McCain is going down a very very dangerous path.  But that's fine.  Let him fry.
  • toe
    Let's talk connections...shall we?

    McCain sat on board of U.S. Council for World Freedom - tied to far right radicals. 
    The U.S. chapter of WACL, the United States Council for World Freedom (USWCF), has been one of the most active branches. USCWF was founded in 1981
     by Major General John K Singlaub.  This branch has generated controversy, as it has been found to have illegally supplied firearms to guerillas in the Iran-Contra Affair  and, in 1981, the USCWF was placed under watch by the Anti-Defamation League which noted the organization had increasingly become a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.
  • toe
    Let's talk connections...shall we?

    continued...

     McCain's Kremlin Ties :
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman
  • toe
    Let's talk connections....shall we?
    (continued...)
    McCain's ties to convicted felon G. Gordon Liddy:

    G. Gordon Liddy. Now a conservative radio talk-show host, Liddy spent more than 4 years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him.
     In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns -- including $1,000 this year.

    Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."
     

    Which principles would those be? The ones that told Liddy it was fine to break into the office of the Democratic National Committee to plant bugs and photograph documents? The ones that made him propose to kidnap anti-war activists so they couldn't disrupt the 1972 Republican National Convention? The ones that inspired him to plan the murder (never carried out) of an unfriendly newspaper columnist?

    Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history -- and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did, insisting that he went to jail as "a prisoner of war."

    All this may sound like ancient history. But it's from the same era as the bombings Ayers helped carry out as a member of the Weather Underground. And Liddy's penchant for extreme solutions has not abated.

    In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, he gave some advice to his listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches."

    He later backed off, saying he meant merely that people should defend themselves if federal agents came with guns blazing. But his amended guidance was not exactly conciliatory: Liddy also said he should have recommended shots to the groin instead of the head. If that wasn't enough to inflame any nut cases, he mentioned labeling targets "Bill" and "Hillary" when he practiced shooting.

    Given Liddy's record, it's hard to see why McCain would touch him with a 10-foot pole. On the contrary, he should be returning his donations and shunning his show. Yet the senator shows no qualms about associating with Liddy -- or celebrating his service to their common cause.

    How does McCain explain his howling hypocrisy on the subject? He doesn't. I made repeated inquiries to his campaign aides, which they refused to acknowledge, much less answer. On this topic, the pilot of the Straight Talk Express would rather stay parked in the garage.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column
  • toe
    Let's talk connections....shall we?

    (McCain's criminal friends...continued)

    Keating Scandal Still Haunts McCain
    In his early days as a freshman senator, McCain was known for accepting contributions from Charles Keating Jr., flying to the banker's home in the Bahamas on company planes and taking up Keating's cause with U.S. financial regulators as they investigated him.

    The Keating Five was the derisive name given McCain and four Democratic senators, including then-Sen. John Glenn of Ohio, who were defendants in a congressional ethics investigation of their connections to Keating. McCain is the only one still in the Senate. They were accused of trying to intimidate regulators on behalf of Keating, a real estate developer in Arizona and owner of Lincoln Savings and Loan based in Irvine, Calif.

    Keating and his associates raised $1.3 million combined for the campaigns and political causes of all five. McCain's campaigns received $112,000.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/24/politics/main3964240.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_3964240
  • toe
    Let's talk connections...shall we?

    (McCain's criminal friends... continued)

    McCain Meeting With Raffello Folleri

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mRFnvoxHO4
  • toe
    Let's talk connections....shall we?
    (McCain and the gamblers personal lobbyists) 

     Quote "Mr. McCain has done more than any other member of Congress to shape the laws governing America's casinos. "Mr. McCain portrays himself as a Washington maverick unswayed by special interests, referring recently to lobbyists as "birds of prey." Yet in his current campaign, more than 40 fund-raisers and top advisers have lobbied or worked for an array of gambling interests - including tribal and Las Vegas casinos, lottery companies and online poker purveyors."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?_r=1&hp
  • Guest
    let's see....
    <div>
    </div>
    <div>Gamblers and Lobbyists???</div>
    <div>
    </div>
    <div>or</div>
    <div>
    </div>
    <div>Domestic Terrorists, ACORN and American Haters. </div>
    <div>
    </div>
    <div>You decide Toe.</div>
  • toe
    Let's talk connections....shall we?
    (McCain the dubious do gooder... continued)

    McCain's campaign manager, lobbyist Rick Davis received monthly payments of $15,000 from the struggling mortgage giant, Freddie Mac up until Feb 2008. despite the fact that Davis lied and said the association ended three years ago.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303359.html
  • toe
    McCain has proven what kind of judgment he has-  with regards to unsavory business dealings, close and continued connections with convicted felons,  questionable ethics, and you can top that off with the selection of an utterly unqualified individual to join him in his "all about me" campaign.
    McCain is as big a fraud as his running mate.
  • toe
    America haters...hmmm you mean like the Alaska Independence Party?... is that what you mean, Mr UC??? hmmmm?

    Let's face it-  You have nothing but a failed ideology, a candidate with no moral standards, no ethics, lobbyists up the wazoo,  in the pocket of special interests , a dreadful record on women's issues, vets issues, a war monger, and on top of all that - he selected Palin- so clearly unqualified she is insulting women across the U.S.

    Those are the facts, my dear.
  • toe
    The gutter politics of the McCain campaign is reaching down once again to denounce Obama for his distant past links to Bill Ayers in an unprecedented guilt-by-association attack for a presidential campaign.
     
    Sarah Palin declared, "This is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country."
     
    The New York Times article, which prompted Palin’s remarks, actually concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers."


    CNN Political Ticker evaluated Palin’s "palling" charges and concluded,  "False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now  palling around,  or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are....CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved."
  • Michael J.
    "The New York Times article, which prompted Palin’s remarks, actually concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers.""

    They really don;t know eachother that well, right?

    http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/971106/justice.shtml
  • toe
    what's your point, Michael?...  30 items totally debunked here:

    http://obamapolitics.com/</a>

    Mr UC, Hannity, Palin, Rush, Beck, McCain and others of little brain usage ability have all dished out these lies...all in order to have anyone look closely at McCain's record, his ties to felons that continue to this day, his ties the Keating Savings and Loan scandal that cost the US taxpayers $2 Billion and the entire life savings of over 23,000 people- many of whom were elderly and lost everything.
    McCain is a dangerous,  angry,  desperate man with no aptitude for honesty in any form.
  • Michael J.
    yes, they are all wrong, and you are right...

    i didn't realize that the University of Chicago was affiliated with talk radio. Yes, obama politics is right too...and EVERYONE else is wrong!

    Keep lying to yourself toe.
  • Commander
    Herbert Romerstein and Cliff Kincaid are two veterans of investigations into Communist influence on the U.S. political process. They have just released two new reports on Barack Obama’s ties with extreme anti-American elements.

    Their findings raise some very serious questions about Barack Obama’s mysterious background. Their investigation concludes that:

    I. Barack Obama has been influenced and backed by communists, socialists, and those sympathetic to the Arab/Palestinian cause in the Middle East.

    II. Obama has connections to two international communist networks - one in Hawaii and one in Chicago.

    III. The Hawaii network included communists Frank Marshall Davis, who was Obama’s personal mentor; actor/singer Paul Robeson; and labor leader Harry Bridges.

    IV. Obama covered up the true identity of Frank Marshall Davis in his book, Dreams From My Father.

    V. In addition to communist terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who were members of the Weather Underground, the Chicago network includes many veterans of the communist Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) who now proclaim themselves “Progressives for Obama.”

    VI. One of the leaders of “Progressives for Obama” is former SDS leader Tom Hayden, who wrote a letter to a communist Vietnamese official during the Vietnam War hoping for a “victory” over the U.S.

    VII. Several SDS officials and the SDS itself had connections to the Communist Party USA.

    VIII. Ayers, who helped launch Obama’s political career, has traveled to Venezuela on several occasions and is an enthusiastic backer of the brand of communism being practiced and promoted by Hugo Chavez.

    IX. Ayers’ university office door and wall are plastered with communist, anti-Israel, and pro-Hugo Chavez propaganda.

    X. Bernardine Dohrn has participated in two events organized by the Open Society Institute of Obama backer and billionaire leftist George Soros.

    XI. The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), a group that included a convicted espionage agent for communist East Germany, backed and promoted Obama’s political career.

    XII. It appears that Obama actually worked for Ayers in a Chicago educational reform program that dispensed millions of dollars of grants.

    XIII. Illinois State Senator Alice Palmer, who picked Obama as her successor, has a record of involvement in communist front activities.

    XIV. Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod, as well as Obama himself, have not explained why Ayers, Dohrn, then-State Senator Alice Palmer, and Dr. Quentin Young came together at the Ayers/Dohrn home to launch Obama’s political career.

    XV. In 1995 Barack Obama sought out the New Party’s endorsement for his 1996 state senate run. The New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement, and he used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers. Most New Party members hailed from the Democratic Socialists of America and the militant organization ACORN. The party’s Chicago chapter also included a large contingent from the Committees of Correspondence, a Marxist coalition of former Maoists, and Communist Party USA members.
  • toe
    Commander (of what? stupidity?)-  we have in place, the patriot act-
    now, why do you suppose Obama is not in jail as a suspected terrorist?
    how  do you suppose he was elected to the senate with this "background" that the right-wing smear machine has summoned?
    How is it that Obama is the overwhelming candidate of choice to run for the highest office in the land?
    Why is he leading in every major poll and picking up more of a lead every day?

    How is it that he can be all of the smear items that you have placed above ?
    Get a grip on some facts, commander of nothing - you are an embarrassment to all humans able to think and research actual facts.
  • amber 2
    This is more like it, now we see the true nature of the conservative ideology. With us or against us. USA, USA, drill, drill.    Nuke there ass and take there gas. Earth firs,t we can log the other planets later. Where your flag boy.  will it work?
  • amber 2
    it amazes me that the ultra rich can rally so much support from the ignorant poor and middle classes, by calling the educated poor and middle class elitist. Republicans, dangerously stupid.
  • amber 2
    Now the republicans are yelling about questionable fundraising and voter fraud???
  • Dave
    Two issues that bother me more than all the discussions on this site:
     
    #1. Racism is an abhorrent injustice; so is sexism
     
    How can one dis Palin for being unexpeienced and yet support one who has a resume weaker than hers. 
    Only you can answer this question for youself, but to me it looks and smells like sexism.
    Abhorrent injustice.
     
    #2. I am a Democrat, but the problem I have with Obama is a lack of history.  There is not enough to know him.  Give him more time in the Senate to demonstrate his leadership in initiating meaningful legislation..  So far he has accomplished little  At least with McCain, we know what we are getting, warts and all. I believe what McCain provides, pluses and minuses, is far better than a huge question mark.
  • ameriken
    @amber 2 " #48 "it amazes me that the ultra rich can rally so much support from the ignorant poor and middle classes"

    Now we know how Obama has been able to raise all that money and support.
  • toe
    lessons in sit and spin:

    Black teen pregnancies? A 'crisis' in black America.
    White teen pregnancies? A 'blessed event.'

    If you grow up in Hawaii you're 'exotic.'
    Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, you're the quintessential 'American story.'

    Similarly, if you name your kid Barack you're 'unpatriotic.'
    Name your kids Trig and Track, you're 'colorful.'

    If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you're 'reckless.'
    A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a 'maverick.'

    If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review,create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African American voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.
    If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, you've got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.

    If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an 'arrogant celebrity'.
    If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are 'energizing the base'.

    If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are 'presumptuous'.
    If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a 'shoot from the hip' maverick.

    If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are 'an elitist 'out of touch' with the real America.
    If you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.

    If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an 'empty suit'.
    If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an 'experienced executive'.

    If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are 'extremist'.
    If you believe in creationism and don't believe global warming is man made, you are 'strongly principled'.

    If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
    If you have been faithfully married to the same woman for 16 years with whom you are raising two beautiful daughters you're 'risky'.

    If you're a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you're an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.
    But if you're a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you're spunky.

    If you're a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you 'First dog.'
    If you're a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you 'beautiful' and 'courageous.'

    If you kill an endangered species, you're an excellent hunter.
    If you have an abortion you're not a christian, you're a murderer ( forget about if it happened while being date raped)

    If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.
    If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
  • commander
    Toe, you are are only displaying your inability to see the truth, instead of making a valid point, you revert to name calling and vacuous hyperbole.
    I'll not lower myself to your level of myopic reasoning nor do I have any intent to debate someone so blatantly uninformed as yourself .
    Having the capacity to ascertain the facts is beyond the ability of someone as self absorbed as yourself.
    You evidently have no life other than to espouse your ingrained leftist ideology in a conservative forum merely for the sake of argument.
    Semper Fi
  • ameriken
    @ UC # 22 and 24..........do you actually believe toe is capable of giving you an answer? We all know McCain has faults and is not perfect....which is why so many conservatives considered other candidates.

    But toe refuses to vet her own candidate. Thus, the 'messiah' syndrome.  

    The only answer you will get about Obama will be an attack on  conservatives, republicans, Bush, or McCain, Reagan, or you'll be personally attacked as being racist.

    And you wont get any explanations about Obama.  It's like this:

    Q: What about Obama's association with William Ayers?
    A: McCain is in bed with lobbyists and the Keating 5

    Q: And what about his relationship with Acorn, the group accused of voter fraud?
    A: McCain is too old to be president and Palin is too inexperienced to take over.
    Q: Why did Obama refer to Pennsylvanians as 'bitter, clinging to their guns and religion.........etc'
    A: Palin lied about their son Trig, it was really her daughter who had the baby and Palin lied to cover it up.  It's true because Daily Kos says so.  

    Q: So tell us again about Obama's experience?
    A: McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time and we cant afford 4 more years of Bush.

    Q: What about Obama's association with the radical Rev Wright?
    A: You're a racist

    And of course, I can't exclude Amber from the discussion:

    Q: How does Obama's limited experience in the Federal Government qualify him to be President? 
    A: Stupid fucking republicans.

    Duh, yup.

    Anyhow UC, this is an extremely important election, we have two candidates whom I have some serious concerns about, yet liberals refuse to say anything intelligent about Obama and are totally incapable of withholding personal attacks on republicans.
  • toe
    ameri-con

    I have made a reply to each and every item asked by Mr UC.
    I have answered each with facts and sources.
    I have never called Obama "the messiah"- you have, other conservatives here have. 
    I have never placed here - anyplace- anywhere- anything that I could not back with multiple RELIABLE sources.
    I have no interest in your little boy cries.
    Go read something other than your conservative blogs- 
    you can start with the Constitution.
    then you can move on to the Congressional Record...
    where you will find bills introduced by Obama -crossing party lines, no less- to gain co-sponsors- bills that were INITIATED by OBAMA and PASSED.
    when you have finished learning of the MANY items there (which you and others here claim do not exist)...wander yourself over to the Illinois State Legislature and learn about what voting "present" is... it's purpose- who uses it, and WHY.
    if
    your little soggy oatmeal of a brain can handle it- go read about the failed Bush Policies, ... proceed to items worthy of impeachment- Look up Bruce Fine, and JonathanTurley... Who they are and what they have to say about this...
    Read Bruce Fine's book "Constitional Peril".
    Wake up your little brain and look around you.   You don't need to take my word for it.  The facts are overwhelming and readily available to anyone who cares to look.
  • Cait
    I think that this is a great speech! Senator McCain NEEDS to call out Obama on all of these issues before it is too late... for our country's sake...
  • movie fan
    The candidates have a major difference in their leadership styles: McCain tends to say, "Follow me because the other guy can't get it done" while Obama says, "Follow me because I can get it done."  Ideally, the candidates should say, "Follow me because i will help you get it done" ... in any case, of the two of them Obama demonstrates a better leadership mentality
  • toe
    McCain and Palin...country first???  Hardly.
    Inciting violence?  Absolutely.
    They are a disgrace to all things American.

    Veteran Republican Congressman Ray LaHood criticized his party's vice presidential nominee Friday, saying that Sarah Palin's vitriolic campaign rallies  ""don't befit the office she's running for."
    Rep. LaHood, who has represented Illinois' 18th district for seven terms and is retiring in January,told WBBM Radio  that Palin should control the racially-charged heckling at her rallies:
  • toe
    McCain and Palin are a disgrace to all things American.  They have, up to this moment, not made a peep - to speak out against those violent voices  in their rabid crowds - instead they have, both by their very silence, and by their suggestions in their respective stump speech stink- have encouraged this behavior. 
    Each day McCain's numbers fall deeper and faster as American's reject McCain's lack of leadership, his lack of ideas, and his lack of judgment.   Americans, thankfully, are smarter than this- but it takes only one crazy - pumped by McCain's and Palin's "hate-rallies" to do the unthinkable.
  • toe
    i guess McCain does not believe in vetting...



    William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
    The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.
    During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.
    Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time.
    complete story:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1840722,00.html

    change?
    america first?
  • researcher
    mc cain should have opened with the keating five
    and how he kept from going to prison and how much his involvement
    cost americans

    oh the pitfalls of deregulation

    the price we pay for it

    ie bankrupt america