Michael - I agree with your summation for the motivations for place such a sticker on a vehicle. To me it is completely transparent that they are trying to appeal to their own justification for having a pro-abortion position.

you tell em!!! damn liberals confuse the sheet out of me!!

this guy just wanted to be cool and have a sticker on the back of his car!

To me this issue has more facets than can be put into a hyphenated term. Also as a man who can never gestate a fetus I also recognize my diminished authority in this decision. I understand how a person can believe at some point cells become a person. I respect other peoples opinions in relation to that issue. The part I don't get is where ones opinion is more important than the mothers. We all know the varied horrible ways to become pregnant, so no need to list the ones I can think of. But more to the point Jane decides for herself that now is not the best time to have a baby. Some how another persons opinion supercedes the mothers decision for herself. I just can not fathom the justification on this. I am not talking about the serial welfare mother with 14 kids and 14 paternal fathers. I am talking about my rights ending at the tip of your nose and vice versa. Yes have an opinion, I don't begrudge it. But recognize other people have theirs as well. The last thing a young mother with no to low finances, no husband/partner and a whole lot of baby would need is to be screamed at for trying to make the best decision she can. I am thinking if a person has the conviction to rant and rail about the fetus being a person, they should perhaps either get to adopting these children or tone it down a bit. What do you think?

Illuminati - you are right. This is a very complicated issue and I am not here to debate it becuase you will never change my mind and I will never change your mind.

The point of this post goes back to being Pro Child, Pro Family and Pro Choice at the same time. Perhaps the person who wrote the sticker should have worded it differently (i.e. Pro 'Born' Child, Pro Family and Pro Choice). Whatever the case, I will go back to the point of life and when it begins. You talk about a Mother's right...well, when did she get the right to take the life of her child?

Excellent article. Just a quick note. You misspelled conscience in the third paragraph.

I am personally opposed to abortion, on ethical rather than political grounds. However, I think u are a little unfair about the sticker. The Pro Life lobby is just as emotional as Pro Choice, and just as stupid sometimes, in both actions and words. The point of the sticker, I think, is to say that just because X is pro choice does not mean they are anti family or anti children. This should not need saying but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that some pro lifers would suggest just that, namely that pro choice does mean anti family and anti children.

Adam - thanks for the message; and perhaps you are right.

So what if life begins at conception? A fetus in its early stages is no different from an insect in every way but DNA. There's nothing unethical or immoral to abortions (up to a certain point in its development) because nothing is being done except the removal of what is more or less nothing more than a parasite.

Oh, and if you want to go into the idea of a soul, that's entirely a personal matter of your own opinion, and entirely irrelevant in scientific or legal matters. As for the "BUT IT'S HUMAN" argument, I don't believe that applies, strictly because it is human only through DNA and the promise of becoming a full-grown one, but the differences between a human and any other animal that prevent us from being put at their level are mental capabilities - a fetus cannot think and is not self-aware.

It is also fully possible to be pro-child and pro-choice. I suggest you think over why and how before shooting off at the... keyboard.

I also think you're horribly hypocritical to name BUMPER STICKERS as a sign of a liberal. I can't even count how many cars I've seen with conservative and Christian stickers on the back, and I live in one of the more liberal U.S. states. If you want to pick a point to attack liberals on, don't use one that is not only insignificant, but will only make others turn and use "pot calls kettle black" phrase.

They who hate God, love death.

Can Christians vote the Democratic Platform? by Joe Cox
Copyright © 2008 by Joseph C Cox. All rights reserved.
The purity and truth of God’s precious Word must always be defended and never compromised. Sadly, this occurs when many so-called Christians lower God’s standards to accommodate their sinful desires, personal beliefs and wallets.
• “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work”. II Timothy 3:16
The "spiritual void and the lack of following of God's Word" in the Democratic Party platform is clearly evident. Does the Democratic Party platform follow God or Satan?
Democratic Party platform stands for this: Word of Gods says this:
• abortion/partial birth abortion (lawlessness) Psalm 139:13,14
• opposes/elimination capital punishment (lawlessness) Genesis 9:6
• the gay rights agenda (lawlessness) Romans 1:18-32
• activist liberal judges (lawlessness) Proverbs 8:14-16
• infant embryos stem cell research (lawlessness) Psalm 139:13,14
• same sex couples marriages (lawlessness) Genesis 1:24
Matthew 7:21-23 says…” Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name and in Your name perform many mircles? And then I will decalre to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”
Every Christian should associate with, promote, and vote with an informed conscience for the political party platform and any candidates that conforms and stands up for God’s Word... otherwise you’re denying the Lord and His Holy Word.
If you say that you love the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His Holy Word but embrace, condone and embrace any political party or candidates that believe in lawlessness then you’re denying Him and and God’s Word. A hyprocrite? YES
• "But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before the My Father who is in heaven." Matthew 10:33
Take the living infant embryo which is a living human being that God created and is precious in His eyes and should be in our eyes, also.
One can not kill life (murder/lawlessness) to save life.
The embryonic stem cell research being proposed today in Congress is not needed when adult stem cell research is presently treating more than 50 diseases today.
One of the core issues of the Democratic platform is the right for a woman to choose to have an abortion (they are saying that women have a right to sin).
In America, abortion stops a beating baby’s heart 1,328,000 times each year.
• also, approximately 1 baby murdered…every 27 seconds.
• and, more than 43,000,000 baby’s murdered since the 1973 Supreme Court decision of Roe vs. Wade.
There are 1,328,000 innocent children are murdered every year and should not be considered "medical waste" and yet no consequences to the mother or physician. What's next? The elimination of any unwanted children and the elderly?
Yet if you break the egg of a bald eagle...it's a $5,000 fine. Are you part of the groups that save the whales and trees...yet turn your back on the living infant embryos that God created?
Ultrasound technology makes it clear that the unborn child is indeed a baby and that abortion murders babies. Our lives and the lives of our unborn children are inseparable. Abortion violates every human instinct.

Recently researchers in U.S. and Japan reprogram adult skin cell to act just like embryonic stem cells- a breakthrough that one day could provide scientists with a steady supply of cells from which to develop new disease treatments without destroying embryos.

Should one’s vote reflect that they hate murder, lawlessness, abomination and every form of evil according to God’s Holy Word?

"Hate evil, you who love the Lord..." Psalm 97:10.

• “But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil.” I Thessalonians 5:21,22

Would God’s Word call the Democratic Party platform good or evil?
• “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil; who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight.” Isaiah 5:20,21
• “Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
II Corinthians 6:14

• Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.” James 4:17.

Christians are to be the salt of the earth in a corrupt world.

Can one’s vote bring glory to God?

• “He who is not with Me is against Me…” Matthew 12:30.

A believer is in God's army and their life and political views should conform to God’s Word, not conform to the secular world views.

• “Therefore, whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.” I Corinthians 10:31

• “To the pure all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. They profess to know God but by their deeds the deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any deed.” Titus 1:15,16

Can one’s vote deny God’s Holy name?

• “...that we have come to know Him, IF we keep His commandments.”
I John 2:15

Does voting for the Democratic platform show that one really knows Him?

• "Test yourselves to see IF you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you- unless indeed you fail the test?" II Corinthians 13:5

• “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man is he who listens to counsel.” Proverbs 12:15.

Does one’s personal beliefs, conscience, decisions/desires take priority OVER the Word of God even in voting? NO

One needs to vote according to the Word of God IF you are truly an obedient child of God. The Word of God serves to authoritatively distinguish between true/false believers.

One might say all of the five parties have candidates running for offices every four years are corrupt...that is true to some degree.

But the Democratic platform and candidates are clearly void of the principles in God's Word… and especially in marriage, family and biblical values.

Also, the Democratic Party today continues to embrace the sleazy Hollywood entertainment industry output of movies, music, TV programs and videos that sadly portraits a false reality…which undermines every parent raising their children today.

Politics and one's religious beliefs (accordance with the Word of God)…do mix.

Why? Because one's entire life, personal beliefs, decisions and desires must “always” line up with God’s Word in making decisions in life and how we are to live.


NOTE: Political views/agendas and social views/agendas should not be expressed by either pastors or non-believers or believing politicians from God’s house of worship (pulpit)...which is sadly happening today by those who practice disobence.

One is to preach the gospel from the pulpit… not political/social views and agendas.

Democratic candidates have been the leading party on TV over the last 20 years giving their political and socual views from God’s pulpit in so called Christian churches. Jesus main focus was the gospel and not concern about the political and social of that time.

If the Lord God Jesus Christ saw today His house of worship being used for those giving their political and social views…He would cast them out.

• “And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves and the moneychangers seated. And He made a scourge of cords and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen and He poured the coins of the moneychangers and over turned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, Take these things away; stop making My Father‘s house a house of merchandise. His disciples remembered that it was written, Zeal for Thy house will consume Me.” John 2:14-17

• “And He entered the temple and began to cast out those who were selling, saying them, It is written, And My house shall be a house of prayer, but you have made it a robbers den.” Luke 19:45,46

One can and will perceive/justify anything to their own advantage or views…such as justifying voting ones personal beliefs/desires, conscience and wallet instead of what the Word of God says.

• “And why do you call Me, Lord, Lord and do not what I say?” Luke 6:46

Christians are to live an obedient life. So is your life a reflection of Christ likeness when voting? Our faith in Jesus and the Word of God doesn’t just influence us but it should really define one’s life.

As Christians we are to be in the world and not conform to its views, opinions or agenda. One is not to be of the world.

Many Christians say they can and will vote the Democratic platform/candidates because grace will cover their vote ofr Democratic candidates and the party platform.

• “What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace might increase?” Romans 6:1

One might say that this article is judging and I am a pharisee for writing it. Let the truth be known that I am a defender of the faith and proclaimer of His Holy Word for those who practice lawlessness.

Jesus Christ will be the final judge for all those who practice lawlessness especially those so called christians described in Matthew 7:21-23.

[email protected] Copyright © 2008 by Joseph C Cox. All rights reserved.

Maybe the person is Pro Life and Pro Choice, because they, like I, believe that a woman has many reproductive choices, but abortion shouldn't be one of them? She has the choice of whether or not to abstain from sex, to use protection or not, or to keep the baby or put it up for adoption.

OK UC, you started this and should have known it would lead to RELIGION!! GG....

So religion does not tolerate ANY government infringement upon them and yet religion wants to affect the government. Any conflict there?


out.

Holy crap, Joe, are you ever brainwashed! I don't have time to contradict each and every one of your little quotes there, so I'll just make my job nice and easy by quoting the exact same thing you did: the Bible. Don't bring the Bible into a serious debate. I'm warning you. It's not a wise choice.

"One can not kill life (murder/lawlessness) to save life."

This is what you said, Joe. You can't kill to save a life. First of all, that's awful reasoning. You can, and should. If one man was about to shoot a bunch of hostages, you are telling me we can't take him out to save those hostages. We have to let them die. But that's still beside the overall point. You can't kill to save a life, but you CAN apparently kill if God "tells" you it's "okay." Book of Joshua, Joey.

You also say to 'hate evil,' or rather you quote the Bible as saying that. To love the lord but hate "evil." Can you tell me exactly what constitutes evil? Could it be... another religion? Or a liberal who challenges the oh so sacred way of contradictory, controversial, religious everyday life? Muslims, atheists, those types of people (if you can call them people)? We can hate anyone who's not a Christian.

I LOVE CHRISTIANITY!!! Please don't send me to hell, God.

Also, Deeken, people who don't believe in God don't hate God. They simply don't acknowledge his existence. Nice try though.

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Quote from J:
"There's nothing unethical or immoral to abortions (up to a certain point in its development) because nothing is being done except the removal of what is more or less nothing more than a parasite."

One quick question...who is it that should decide what the "certain point of development" is? The mother?  I would also ask...Do you think that there would be fewer Pro-Choicers if all of the liberal "mothers to be" made the convenient choice? Hmmm...perhaps. Maybe I should call your mother and see if she thinks now is too late.

Mike: Abortion is not, and should not be the "convenient choice". 
The number of abortions can be reduced through measures like effective, realistic sex education, and availability and affordability of birth control. However, abortion should always be available. Safe, Legal, and Rare. 
UC: I wonder how you can worry so much about pro-family, pro-child, pro-choice. What about Pro-capital punishment, pro-preemptive military strikes, pro-life?

I stumbled on this blog when I googled the bumper sticker in question.  An employee of mine had it on her car and I was puzzled.  I appreciate Urban Conservative's opinion.  Much of the debate that has followed is missing the point:
Every one of us knows what is meant by "Pro Choice."  We can talk about the choice for adoption (a very admirable choice), or abstinence (works every time), but the "choice" that is meant by this bumper sticker is abortion.  Say what you want about when life starts (if it doesn't start at conception, why wear a condom?), but that fetus will become a child.  So how can one be pro-abortion and pro-child?  It baffles me.


Before anyone argues, "Who in their right mind is anti-child?" I would ask the abortionist, "What about your position demonstrates to me that you are pro-child?"


Urban Conservative is right:  This sticker is designed to sooth the feelings of the person who affixed it to their car.  It is designed to send a softer image to the person behind them in traffic than a "Pro-Pregnancy-Termination" sticker would send.

"if it doesn't start at conception, why wear a condom?"
Are you serious? I don't know how much you know about the process of terminating a pregnancy, but it's a lot harder than wearing a condom. Aside from being physically draining, it is emotionally difficult. Not because you are killing your baby (you aren't, and I can't argue that enough), but because you are faced with the realization that you could have been a parent and for whatever reason, you have decided that you should not be one.
I maintain that I am pro-child. But I do not show that by forcing women to have children who don't want them and aren't ready for them. I show it by supporting "overly-emotional, liberal" causes like universal health care, early education, and yes, choice. Being pro-child means that I want every child to be wanted, loved, and have opportunities.