Obama’s Greatest Challenge Yet to Come: Replacing Ben Bernanke

May 27th, 2009 Jr Accountant

Perhaps you haven’t noticed this important little bit as you have been too distracted with digging your way out of debt, busting your ass at work just to keep up and grateful for your job regardless, or this nonsense about Obama’s choice for Supreme Court Justice. All of this noise is important, of course, because it further exposes Obama’s weaknesses; the poor cabinet choices (unless a crack team of tax cheats was the intended goal), the recklessly destructive attempts at economic repair thanks to his incredibly blind “advisers,” and the tendency to take on far more than “The State” was ever meant to handle.

Obama himself has insisted that though it may appear the opposite, he would prefer that the United States stay out of corporate affairs. Let us keep in mind that he said this just as GM was being led to the lethal injection chamber by Obama’s own team. Let’s face it, being owned by the United States government at this point is akin to a death sentence - just one more tumor devouring the host. What next? We’ve taken on the banks (who are still wandering aimlessly down Wall Street growling for braaaaaiiinnns), the automakers, the auto PARTS makers, the insurance companies; we have, at this point, even taken on ourselves. You did understand that this is what the Federal Reserve decision to buy Treasury bills on a massive scale equates to, right? Just making sure we are on the same page here.

How is that working out, by the way? Badly. The consensus amongst the armchair economists is that the bond market has begun its not-so-delicate unraveling and will shortly implode. Without this, one of the last “safe” investments remaining in a tumultuous and almost hallucinatory global financial market, Obama will have few options left to fund his promises, like the $787 billion Stimulus (no, it hasn’t been paid for).

But let us set aside the financial crisis momentarily and ignore the dollar’s red flags. Obama’s true challenge, disregarding the rest of the noise, is still ahead. Soon, he will have to start considering who he would like to replace Ben Bernanke as Chairman of the Fed.

Bernanke’s term expires on January 31, 2023 and Obama’s people have certainly made it clear that the President does not intend to keep him in his post beyond that date. The first sign Obama wasn’t too keen on another term for Helicopter Ben? Sticking Timmy the Two Bit Tax Cheat Geithner in the Treasury, leaving ex Harvard President Larry Summers’ calendar free for “Take Over the Federal Reserve” on February 1st, 2010.

So, you say?

So, Larry Summers is, as one blogger put it, “a walking, talking conflict of interest.” Summers has collected millions in speaking fees from firms like Citigroup (multiple bailouts ring a bell?), Goldman Sachs (NY Fed/Goldman scandal sound familiar?), and Bank of America (CEO Ken Lewis working with ex Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke to possibly mislead investors, anyone?).

The New York Times paints a lovely picture of Summers saying “Mr. Summers, who will be 54 on Nov. 30, is universally described as brilliant, but is also renowned for being arrogant, occasionally rude and sometimes difficult to work with.” The article goes on to discuss Summers’ infamous reputation as a sexist after “girls don’t do economics” comments were, according to him, taken out of context some years ago.

All of this being said, please do not misconstrue my feelings for Ben Bernanke. Though a declared Republican, he does not subscribe to the exuberant idealism his predecessor Alan Greenspan brought to the Fed Chairman position. Someone described Bernanke’s politicism as being “asexually Republican” - the Ken doll with a bump of plastic under his suit and no expressed or obvious political affiliation to be found. Printing the United States into bankruptcy is certainly not a Republican trait I am familiar with.

So it cannot be Ben Bernanke’s politics which would motive President Obama to let his term expire. And even when we get rid of Bernanke, he’ll still stay on at the Fed board through 2020. 2020 until we can get rid of this money-printing manic depressive!

The Fed is failing and hard (see Treasury bills above). Whether or not this burden should rest entirely on Bernanke’s shoulders has not yet been decided. From the eyes of the funny-money-hungry Obama administration, it appears as though that doesn’t matter. Perhaps Bernanke doesn’t print quickly enough to keep up with President Obama’s promises and Summers will be better equipped to implode what remains of the dollar?

This will be interesting to watch. I sincerely hope Mr Obama manages to find a Fed Chairman who at least knows how to pay his taxes; if he picks a 7th tax cheat, and to head the Fed none the less!, I will have officially lost my faith in any chance this administration has at digging us out of this total economic disaster.

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  • BotoxPelosiBotox
    My first post.

    You are off to a brilliant start.
  • DS
    I concur with your synopsis of what the left is trying to do.  obamas strategy is to throw as much crap as he can as quickly as he can in hopes that most of it will stick.  Their hope of success lies entirely on the belief that there are enough stupid Americans who "either just don't care about politics, or will vote for any handout they can get!"  It is our job as true American Patriots to continue to fight the spiritual battle and to educate those who are blind to what is happening to them.  But in order to bring them over to our side we need to be honest, sincere, and real with them.  A lot of them are good people who just don't know what's happening, and a lot of them are folks who have become discouraged in life.  That is where Jesus comes in!!  Jesus loves ALL of them, and wants them to come to Him.  Matthew 11:28-30 says 28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

    These are ALL people who God loves, and He wants us to love them into the Kingdom!  That is why I have been asking all of us to be respectful to everyone on this site, as well as everyone that we come in contact with during our daily lives.  How will they know that God loves them unless we tell them?  How will they see God unless they see Him through us?  It is easy for all of us to get frustrated and discouraged when we see things continue to disintegrate before our eyes, BUT God is NEVER frustrated or discouraged!!  His love knows no bounds!  We, as christians need to be mindful of our responsibilities!  We need to rely on the Holy Spirit for EVERYTHING that we do!  We need to ask Him to fill us "continually" as we walk through this life......just as Jesus did!  We have Jesus living inside us!!  We have the SAME power that He had when He was here, and that the Apostles had after the day of pentecost when they were "filled" with the Holy Spirit!!  That same power is available to each one of us who have been "born again".  If there is anyone reading this who has not yet been born again, you can be.......right now!!  Jesus Christ died for each and every one of us, and all you have to do is to repent of your sin, and accept the free gift of Jesus Christ's death and resurrection from the dead as a payment for your sin.  Did you notice I used the word "sin", and not "sins"?  That is because there is only one sin which will keep you from God's presence, and that is the sin of unbelief!  What you do with the "good news" that I just gave to you will determine your eternal future!  Don't wait!!  Repent and believe today!  Today is your day of salvation!!
  • aliy
    Jr. I'm SOOOO glad you posted that, my friend Lacey sent it to me yesterday and I watched all 10 min of it laughing MY ass off too. He's SOOO right. And since when is Obama "long legged mac daddy" All The crap I've heard people call him, THAT'S a new one!!

    Did you happen to catch the president of the black chamber of commerce in front of Barbara Boxer the other day talking about how these bills were going to put small business under. How cap and tax is going to hurt people and she up and says "Well, the NAACP wants to help the environment" He popped a cork screaming at her. Told her she was a liar and a racist and how DARE she throw another black organization in HIS face and just expect him to get in line! It was AWESOME to see someone put Boxer in her place.

    It's like I've been saying, just because Obama is black, you voted for him, that doens't make you a brother to every black man on earth. Just like they are behind Sotomayor for the sole purpose of locking in the WHOLE hispanic vote. Because you know, you vote for one the other's must just fall in line with the race and appreciate you. It's crazy to think because you support ONE black man, the whole race is going to be behind you.

    That's what Boxer thought, she would just explain "other" blacks are for cap and trade. Which the NAACP NEVER said they were for cap and trade, what they said is they think we need to help fix the environment--BIG difference, and the president of the black chamber of commerce was really quick to point on. She's painting with a broad brush saying that anyone who's for evnironmental causes MUST be with her.

    It's disgraceful to think that just because you hold up ONE spanish person ALL hispanic and latina's are going to rally behind you. That just goes to show they STILL don't get the whole "equal" part of civil rights.

    And it's so refreshing to see Long Legged Mac Daddy loosing numbers in the polls . What are the chances he'll come on TV with a set of pre-screened "random" questions from Ebony magazine and teen beat just so he can try to "talk" us into falling for his crap again?
  • Back2Basics
    Leslie, that is how BHO has operated his whole political life.  He has not and will never take the heat for screw ups!  People have allowed him to get by with that his whole career.  Read about his Chicago Politics.  He has always been surrounded by crooked lawyers.  Most political circles are crooks but the Chicago circle is probably the most corrupt.

    I would like everyone to listen and try to absorb what I am saying in this post.  I have studied this for sometime now and the more I get involved with these blogging circles the more I realize what I am about to say is true.

    Most of what you hear about the RNC not having a leader comes from the left.  Some from the right but most from the left.  This is just another nasty little sceme that the left and radical news media uses to throw off most of those who will listen.  Say something enough and it becomes mind altering.  It becomes a problem in as much as we let it.  Right now, WE ARE LETTING IT HAPPEN TO US.  Herre is where they have us and here is where we are at.

    So many things are screwed up and so many people are talking in so many defferent directions that no one can listen.  There are far too many items on our agenda to talk about all at once.  Everybody is talking about ALL the items and it is impossible for any ONE brain to absorb all the garbage that is going on.  There are thousands of web sites blogging in every direction known to mankind and people's minds are mushy...  I, for one, cannot take anymore of everyone listening but no one's absorbing anything.  They can't!  It's impossible!

    The solution: We are going to destroy out party completly if we don't stop talking about a thousand things at once.  We need to settle in on a couple of the key issues so we can focus our efforts on getting solutions to those issues before we talk about the other 9,999.  Again, I probably will quit blogging all together if we don't start doing something and quit talking about a million things.  I have faith that we have enough brains to see what is happening and who is making it happen.  We need to pick something out of the list and get with it.

    Here's a good example, Obama's birth certificate.  Do you realize what an important issue this is?  That we might possible have a president of this country that isn't even a US Citizen?  He has not proven otherwise.  Everytime the subject is brought up, lawyers take over.  We just mention it every now and then and most of us agree - that's it until we go through the list of all the other stuff that we are not absorbing.

    DS probably builds me up more than anyone on this site with his steadfast beliefs.  Not to mention his irrogance of telling ANYONE how he feels and where he stands.  We all can build each other up but there has got to be a starting place.  I hope this will at least start us all thinking about how much of an enemy we are to ourselves to buy into a lot of this stuff the left is putting out.

    Just my thoughts.
  • Leslie H.
    I think "Bagdad Bob" could really catch on... I like it.
  • JackieM
    Leslie H.--you are correct.  i would also like to add to your previous post............................and obama's (bagdad bob's) supporters continue to accept anything he says and will ignore the obvious!
  • Leslie H.
    Back2Basics- you're absolutely right, it's the same thing.  If someone asked one of us to prove our citizenship, it would take maybe an hour to gather birth certificates, medical records, etc.   But if anyone asks the BHO for proof, instead of addressing the issue, he again whines about being the victim of "fear-mongering." That's his M.O. Ask him a serious question about anything (voting record, citizenship, policies), and he pouts and acts indignant, but never answers the question.
  • JackieM
    DS--this video is what we have known would happen if we get government healthcare!  i think obama's supporters should go first.  they should try this system out first with no other options available to them.  it is just like the island example i talked about a long time ago.  if obama's supporter's want this, they need to be the ones to suffer!  they are the ones screwing up this country so they should be the ones to enjoy (not) the consequences of obama's f...ups!
  • Back2Basics
    Leslie, Obama and company has never had to answer for their wrongs.  NO ONE HAS HELD OBAMA ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING HE HAS DONE.  He came through Chicago politics where only the biggest crooks survive.  All their trash is swept under the carpet, rolled up and took out the the garbage man.  Main streem media won't report on it, the democrats support it, so - WHY NOT?  If you are a person, like BHO, with absolutely NO qualities or morals, and you can do what you want to because your stupid supporters don't know any different, you are gonna ride the rail as long as the coast is clear.

    What has to happen here is that the majority of the people HAVE to team together and change this.  HE HAS TO GO!  Let's prove he is not an American Citizen, and I believe that with all my heart, HE ISN'T...  He cannot stay unreachable indefinitely.  Something has to break soon.
  • DS
    I'm on a roll today.....

    Check out this undercover video which reveals what it will be like if obamacare becomes reality!!  And anyone who thinks this is just a spoof isn't being intellectually honest!!  You KNOW that if the government tries to run ANYTHING it will be a complete mess!!  Now tell me this is how you would like to get your healthcare administered!!

  • Leslie H.
    DS- great find, the Sam Webb comments were quite telling
    Here's the thing, if someone accused me of being a communist/socialist I could come up with a million ways in which my beliefs differ from those of communists.  Whenever someone says Obama and his cronies are communists, they just balk and claim to be the victims of fear-mongering.  They can never actually draw a clear distinction between his politics and the politics of any famous socialist/communist, that's because there is no difference.
  • DS
    Check out what the CPUSA (Communist Party of USA) has to say about obama and his policies.  Take a look at the video and tell me if the people on there seem to represent obama's voting base or not.  Is that you on there Dora?  Also, check out what their chairman (Sam Webb) said on July 1st.  Dora, amber, and other socialists on here......do we really need anymore evidence that obama and his thugs are socialists/communists whose intent is to destroy capitalism??  This argument is NOW officially over!!!  Now, let's move on (sorry for the pun) to discuss something more important like truth....what it means, and who defines it. 

  • Leslie H.
    This video is pretty funny, does anyone know if this is the same preacher that Rush Limbaugh used to play clips of during the election campaign?
  • JackieM
    I really liked this video too!  His supporters are beginning to see obama for what he is and the word is spreading!  the liberals will continue ignore everything negative about obama.  they refuse to see the facts even though it is right in their faces.  it is sickening but they are sick so there ya go!
  • Jr Accountant
    "They're not gonna take it no more, and I don't blame 'em!"

    Don't miss "White people gonna riot": http://www.break.com/usercontent/2009/7/white-p...

    Thanks to a certain UC reader for this.

    Don't say we didn't try to warn you...

    oh and LMAO at "the long-legged Mac Daddy"......
  • DS
    Amen!  I second your request the "peaceful" muslims stand up and begin to prove to us that they really are peaceful, and that they "hate" and "condemn" the acts of ALL militant Islamic groups around the world......beginning with Al-Qaida, but Hamas and Hezbollah as well.  Islam appears to be the ONLY religion in the world which believes that murdering those who don't accept or believe like they do is acceptably (no....required!) by Allah!!  What kind of religion is that?  What kind of God is Allah?  EVERY other religion in the world espouses a kind, loving God who loves every one of His creations no matter what religion, race, color, or sexual orientation they are!!  He doesn't REQUIRE anything from man!  He gave us our own free will, and desires that we love Him because we want to, not because He forces us to!!  Sorry for all of the dangling prepositions.  I understand the fear that must be gripping the hearts of the peaceful muslims.  To speak out against the murderers of their own religion would put them in a very dangerous position, and could mean their death!  But isn't that what religions are based upon?  Aren't all religions supposed to be based upon truth and faith that says I will stand up for the tenants of my faith, even if it requires my life?  I can tell you that Christianity is based on that principle.  I am willing to die for my faith in Jesus Christ, and for His commandments!  What good is any religion if you only say you believe, yet your actions speak otherwise?  You may as well believe in the car salesman down the street if that is all that is required of your faith!  Islam and Christianity both originated from Judaism!  They believe in a lot of the same tenants of religion.  James, one of the authors in the New Testament wrote that "Faith without works is dead!"  I know that Islam supports this statement just as Christianity does!  So what did James mean by this?  Was he saying that you couldn't be saved without doing works as some pagan religions teach?  No, quite the contrary!  What James is saying is that works will accompany anyone who has faith!  Big difference huh?  So, my challenge to my peaceful, TRUE muslim friends is to act on your faith and prove to everyone that your God is who you say he is, and that your religion is a peaceful religion as you say it is.  Show us your faith by your works!!  STAND UP and "scream" your condemnation of your "militant brothers and sisters" who have hijacked your religion and made a mockery of your God!  They are either VERY misguided believers, or not believers at all!!  Which is it?  You know them better than we do, so we implore you to be still no longer!!  STAND UP and be heard!  SHOUT DOWN all of the militant voices in your religion!  You will earn our respect, and we will be there to support you and protect you as you do!!
  • Aliy
    Thanks for the welcome backs guys!!

    I think this whole islam in America thing is hypocracy to the highest. They make signs on the campus of UF here saying "Radical Islam Wants You Dead" and nothing happens but a muslim walks into a Best Buy in Miami, gets pissed about a rebate, threatens to blow up the place and gets arrested but we're tageting mulsims, they had to drop the charges. I guess it's just us being "racist" again huh? What if nothing was done and that guy HAD blown up the Best Buy? There would be outrage.

    If I tell you I'm going to bite you and you stick your hand in my mouth anyway, don't be surprised when I bite you. That is the problem lately, people think these terrorists that are threatening everyday to blow us up just won't do it.

    They are presenting them with opportunity trying to get Gitmo prisoners released in MY neighborhood and yours. They want us to be nice to CAIR (center for american islamic relations) and they are the one holding these conferences B-2-B is talking about!!!!

    They talk about killing us all, they talk about how they are superior to us, but liberals think walking up to them with an olive branch and a yoo hoo is going to make them suddenly NOT hate us? Get a GRIP.  A nasty rabid dog will always be a nasty rabid dog until you kill it and cut it's head off!

    I personally want to call on REAL Islam people, the peaceful ones, don't you understand these radicals are making you look so bad? Stand up against what they are doing. I KNOW you believe radical islam is wrong, I'm asking you to stand up and show the world your religion is NOT like that. I beg you to stand up and explain to liberals that even YOU have a target on your head and you ARE islam!!! It's time to take a stand against the one thing we're ALL against.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--glad to have you back.  you were missed!
  • Back2Basics
    Aliy, welcome back.  Hope you had some enjoyment and got a lot of business done at the same time.  Thanks for the information on the constitution.  There are many places on the Internet where one can download and print out the entire constitution.  If anyone needs help, contact me.

    Aliy, I think you might be the only conservative on this thread that I don't communicate with through email.  If you wish, email me at this address:  [email protected] I would like to add you to my list of friends.  This is a spam address that I use openly on the net.

    Hey, it's not just in Chicago that these radical meetings are happening.  It's right in your little ole hometown of My City, USA.  I am more concerned every day of my life about this stuff.  Mainly, because we are not taking it seriously.
  • aliy
    I'm with you B-2-B!!!!

    I think too many people are trying to embrase a religion and attaching themselves to the radical part of it. Like Islam is actually a peaceful religion. RADICAL islam things we all need to die. There is no "see things our way and you're ok" we need to DIE, end of story.

    There are too many people who think they can make nice nice with these people and they are going to be OK. Again, it's that whole false prophet thing.

    Hope all these people who think we should "understand" radical islam are standing there when they attack again. I would love to say "if" they attack but I really think with our current defenses and the attention to national security we're showing, it's "when", not "if". Which is really sad.

    I think it is going to take something as radical as a 9-11 to make people open their eyes.

    Remember how it felt September 12, 2001. Too many people are forgetting that feeling. Too many people are forgetting the brutality of that day and what it stood for. They are forgetting how to stand up and say "we're Americans and we're not going to take this shit".  They all want to make nice nice with someone who wants to cut their heads off and that's just sorry.

    PS- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a REPUBLICAN!!!!

    PPS- Heritage Foundation is giving out FREE Constitutions.
    Where a group in RI got banned from next years Independance day parade for handing out "political propoganda" (the constitution) the rest of us need to ALL have one in our back pocket.

    Unlike the 54,000 page tax code, the 1200 page Cap and Trade, the 1400 healthcare destruction bill, the consititution will fit in my back pocket. Get your copy today!!!!
  • Back2Basics
    By the way, the theme of that convention of the radical islamic group in Chicago was "THE FALL OF CAPITALISM AND THE RISE OF ISLAM".  Guess they know how to call it huh?  Does this not bothere anyone but me???
  • aliy
    PS- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a REPUBLICAN

    And Dora is a very selfish greedy person for voting away MY right to opportunity.
  • aliy
    I"m home!!!

    I must say, I did catch a little of Sotomayors confirmation hearings on TV the other day. I caught the leader of the Hispanic Womans society calling her a racist. I caught the president of a few civil rights groups calling her a racist.  There were many others as well.

    Of course, no one is listening. The dems have a hold on Washington and they are going to pass as much damaging crap as they can until 2010 when the rest of the voting country puts some opposition and check and balance into play. Then and only then will this train wreck be slowed a little.

    I talked to a woman over the weekend who INSISTED that Bush had 8 years to mess up the country and until Obama was in his 8th year in office, we couldn't really say anything was really his fault. That is how dilusional these people are. She actually thinks NOTHING Obama does is his fault until after the 8 year mark!!!!

    I told her not to agrue, but this bastard wasn't getting a second term so if he's going to acomplish NOTHING, take credit for NOTHING unless we give him a 2nd term....We may as well just wash his presidency away.

    The only way he's going to get a 2nd term is if the rest of us are too frigin broke to put enough money in the tank to get to the polling place (which is all part of his plan) and unless him and the other Dem's vote in a KING instead of a president.

    I bet that's coming right before the 2010 elections too. Trying to desperatly hold on to power like they do. And we all KNOW even though Obama took an OATH to uphold the constitution, he's trying to destroy it. So I don't think saying he's going to let congress vote to make him KING Obama is a real far stretch from what these jerks will try to keep power.
    New poll numbers:
    Strongly Approve: 30%
    Strongly DISapprove: 37%
    And the other 33% think the president lives in a pineapple under the sea so their opinions don't really matter do they?
  • Back2Basics
    Well, how about this?  Islamic Extremist Group, HIZB UT TAHRIR holding a convention in Chicago!  Let's see now, where exactly is Obama's political background from?  Hummmmm...  Could it possibly be Chicago?  WOW!
  • Back2Basics
    Why would we, as Americans, or any American want to differ these statistics?  If I was different, I would want a strong America to live in...  Make sense?

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  • Back2Basics
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  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, we need republicans on the hill to stand up and say "THE TRUTH"!  That's not happening...  I am guilty of not connecting with my elected representatives, but that is about to change.  I am going to camp out on their doorsteps!

    ALL: This is the last post under MR. BUD that I will make.  I am going to my web site identifier.  Back2Basics.
  • JackieM
    Bud--republicans have been running ads about healthcare and now they need to run ads about how the tide is turning and that no on the left is reading all of these bills.  as long as republicans vote no they only need to read them for content to further back up the facts on how the damn democrats are f...ing up this country.  however, if it were me, i would point out the fact that bm (obama) didn't know what was in the stimulus before he signed it.  that really shows what kind of moron he is.  he would look foolish in the ads and rightly so!  it is embarrassing to have him in this position representing our country when he doesn't represent us and what this country was founded on!
  • MR. BUD
    I wish the republicans would get off their ass and let people know what is happening.  Who writes all these hundreds of pages of bills that they DON'T READ before they sign them.  You would think they would read the things just to protect their own butts!  Guess I'll never really understand politics...
  • JackieM
    Bud--i think you are right.  there are more democrats that are against obama now than the left winged nuts are reporting.  however, i think there are some who are disagreeing with him only because they know that their supporters are against bm's policies.  their political futures are at stake. 
    i don't want to see this country go further into a hole, but i'll be happy WHEN all of this does blow up in that SOB's face.  it will ensure that the democrats are out for a very long time and they won't have one leg to stand on.  right now their credibility is shot to hell.  so this will just deepen it.  hopefully, the republicans will be able to cancel out the damage obama has caused.
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, you know more of the dems are against bm than the radical media reports on don't you.  There are a lot of his fellow democrats that are not with him on all his issues now.  The media just won't report it.

    He will blow up soon, you can see it and hear it in his tone of voice when he talks about some things where he is not getting his way now.  He wants to hurry his health plan through because the more people learn about it the more they are pissed off!  I really believe he is going to fall flat on his face with all this.
  • JackieM
    Bud--have you noticed the arrogant democrats/liberals haven't called us the party of "no" in a long time.  maybe that is because a few of their own have wised up and and are now on our side with this healthcare disaster and "stimulus" nightmare!  the democrats won't understand the hyprocrisy in everything they do but we do and can hold them accountable!  the truth is coming out and those who supported this SOB will not be forgotten!  they made history for sure!  they will always be known as failures and as the people who tried to bring this country to its knees!  they can't hide even though they will try!  it is easy to spot a damn obama supporter!  they have brought shame to our country!
  • MR. BUD
    Thank you guys.  We are hitting all around and all over top of the problem in this country.  Now, having said that - if you come right out and say "Politicians want to keep the lower class scared with cutting off their checks and stopping their rent" - you might be called a "Racist".  But, that is it on the nail head.  The more control bm and company can get over the people, even if it is mid to lower class, to include the government backed unions, the more power they have in Washington.  Sounds stupid but it's true.  THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE SUPPORTING YOU - NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON - THE MORE POWERFUL YOU ARE.

    Think about Saddam Hussien and his control over the people.  EVERYONE was scared of him.  They lived all their lives being scared so they just did what they were told.  Pretended they supported him by yelling, screaming, shooting in the air and kissing his hand.  THAT'S THE WAY THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS IT!  That's the way most of the Democrats have always wanted it.  GET CONTROL OF THE PEOPLE AND YOU GOT IT MADE.

    Jackie, Jr and DS, WOW!  You all are so right about bm fucking up this great historical event of having our first black president by turning out to be such an asshole.  I did not vote for him.  I would not vote for him.  But, I would have loved to have had someone who was truely black, not half and half, and sure would have loved that person to be an American citizen.  I HONESTLY BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN KENYA...  I have a picture of the birth certificate they threw in the people's face on my web site.  I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER ONE.  The one that is there is the one that has been cirulating the Internet.

    JR., WOW AGAIN!  You are some writer.  I just received my first news letter and congratulations on such wonderful content and wording.  You are definately tops in my book.
  • JackieM
    With all of bm's (obama's) lies/failures, it is hard to keep up them them so i'll list a few that really should make Americans angry.

    bm's promise to keep lobbyists out of his administration and that the healthcare plan would have the lowest costs possible--not only has obama ensured there were lobbyists there and everywhere in Washington infesting the place like roaches, the lobbyists are working hard to ensure they keep the healthcare costs up.  obama and the democrats are definitely sleeping with the enemy.  

    We know that the democrats have voted down the republicans' idea of everyone in congress and the senate as well as obama taking the new healthcare plan instead of the elitest plan they are currently on.  this tells everyone that the plan is crappy and they think the rest of America is on a lower level than they are.  they must not think it is good for them or their families but want to push it off on all of what they consider the low-lifes (us).   so out of all of bm's rhetoric about how great this system will be, we find out obama has lied to America again! 

    bagdad bob's/obama's promise that unemployment would not go above 8.2%  is a lie.  i wonder if the numbers that came out last week of 10% are accurate.  i know there are a lot of folks who have given up that aren't in that number so it is definitely higher.  i also think that obama would go as far as to order that fraudulent numbers be released to save his ass!  we really don't know the real number but it could be as high as 15% now!  so we know the "stimulus" is not working and obama is trying to further destroy businesses by raising their taxes.  hmmmm!  so how are jobs going to be created again? 

    bm promised that he would not raise taxes on the middleclass!  LOL!  no need to go into that one again!

    this is the most corrupt administration in history!  it didn't take them long to prove what a lot of us saw in the campaign.  jimmy carter was not the worst we have ever had; obama has already surpassed him!
  • Leslie H.
    JackieM- you got it exactly right as far as the unions go.  The left needs people to buy into identity politics and class-warfare in order to win elections.  If they ever ACTUALLY helped poor people or minorities their voter base would evaporate.  So they will continue to help wealthy, powerful unions and continue to make policies that keep lower-class families dependent on the government.
  • JackieM
    Bud--your comment--Kind of like DS, you can jump right in with a simple something or another when me and Jackie are swinging from grape vines and bouncing off walls.  
    hey, don't calm down because i don't want to swing from the trees by myself!  that is just no fun!  LOL! 
    I agree with DS.  bm (how ironic this stands for what i really think about obama.  hahahahaha!  now the truth is out!) had the chance to bring everyone together and his speeches during the campaign were filled with this bullshit.  we saw the truth come out immediately and he is responsible for further dividing this nation.

    Bud--i agree with you about the unions but obama (bm) IS greasing their palms right now and is playing a huge role in ensuring their sucess at the expense of the working folks.  so i hold him responsible for letting this continue.  the democrats/liberals have continually talked about how they are tired of the "rich" man and how greedy the "rich" man is.  they want the middleclass to have some of the pie too!  well, who in the world do they think they are helping now?  bm and his supporters are helping the "rich" labor unions gain more power and continue to get rich while the regular folks continue to get screwed!  of course, democrats don't want to tell the truth about who they are really helping! 
    jr accountant--i think we do need to get ahead of ourselves and talk about what is going to happen because the democrats don't want their supporters to know this.  if we don't talk about it, bm's supporters will continue be ignorant of what their lives are going to look like in the short term, which is in about two years.  this is where obama has his puppets snowed.  obama knows that his supporters aren't smart enough to understand economics (common sense) unfortunately.
  • DS
    Jr. Accountant said.....

    However you look at it, Obama is a propagandist. That role has been painfully obvious from the start. It's a shame that we wasted a historical event like the election of our first black president on THIS jerk.
    So sad.

    I agree with her wholeheartedly!  It could have been a GREAT occasion for our country to have elected the first black president.  It could have brought everyone together, and went a long way towards healing the wounds of the past!  But that was NOT their intention from the get go!  The white liberal establishment (socialists) planned to use obama as a pawn to gain power in order to QUICKLY push through their socialist agenda, and we are seeing it come to pass!!  That's what happened, plain and simple!  Now, we can only hope and pray that he will be gone in four years and that we can repair all of the damage that was done by him and his socialist thugs!  We all KNOW that we are in a fight for the life of our country, for freedom and liberty, and for Godly principles to again guide our nation!  It scares us all to think about it, but God is NOT afraid!!  He will SMASH the evil forces that "think" they are winning, and EVERYONE will KNOW that He did it!!!  God is in control people!!!  Stand back and watch Him work!!
  • MR. BUD
    DS, yes, I have something to say.  Short of jumping across this screen and slapping the S - - T out of somebody, I'll be nice.  That's my bad stuff for today.

    Jr., I love your posts.  Kind of like DS, you can jump right in with a simple something or another when me and Jackie are swinging from grape vines and bouncing off walls.  Keep up the good stuff.  I'll calm down somewhere along the line.

    Speaking of inflation.  That's the one thing we cannot yet blame on BM - is that what we are calling him?  But, we can blame it on the unions.  Directly on the unions.  Unions were good when they first got organized but it didn't take greedy people very long to figure out just how much money a union could muster up by pretending they were protecting a worker.  So the cycle began.  Unions went on stike for higher wages, companies were forced to pay them, in retrospect, companies just raised the price of their products.  So the cycle continued.  Wages went up - prices of products went up.  And on and on and on and on, until we reach our current status.  At some point in time, greedy politicans snapped and realized that there were a lot of union workers and if they supported the unions, they would get a lot of votes.  And the cycle continued.

    As far as this current administration, it has lied about almost everything, publicly and otherwise, and very few seems to care.  They just get by with doing what they like, when they like and whereever they like do it!  I DON'T GET IT!  Isn't the stuff we talk about mean anything in Washington?  I hear talk show hosts beating their gums and that's it...  Over and over and over again.  SEE WHY I AM PERSONALLY DISGUSTED?  I just don't get it.
  • Jr Accountant

    Like I said, when the dollar loses all its value and we're burning $100s in the fireplace to keep warm, THEN we can fairly say that this is all his fault.

    For now, his policies are simply leading us in that direction.

    Trust me, I feel the same way you do. But we can't get ahead of ourselves - there is PLENTY worse to come and in hindsight his role will be painfully clear.
  • JackieM
    Jr Accountant--obama is responsible for printing more money!  let's be fair.  what is that going to do to our economy on a year or two?  the price we pay for everything we buy will increase thanks to obama and obama alone.  a few weeks ago he said the pay as you go system would be appropriate to use.  ok, then where is it?  he needs to back up what he says instead of spreading propaganda and campaigning!  what do you think the cap and trade bill will do?  it will increase the prices of everything we buy.  what has obama done to bring down our gas prices?  what has he attempted to do?  what did he promise during his campaign?  we know the answers to these questions.  you give him way too much credit!  instead of staying in this country until he actually implements a plan to get this economy moving, he is overseas touring all in the name of working!  with millions of people out of work in the US, he needs to be responsible and do his job for a change!  wouldn't it be nice to not have to borrow all of the millions of dollars he is wasting touring that taxpayers will be on the hook for?  let's be fair--he is a failure and embarrassment to our nation!
  • DS
    You asked....

    common sense needs to kick in with his supporters.  I know some of them are turning on him now but what in the hell happened to the rest of them? 

    My answer......

     Some of them are turning on him because they were people who KNEW better in the first place, but fell for the lies that the media was spewing, and CONTINUE to spew to this day!  It was ALL Bush's fault...don't you know??!!  And the lies told about the Iraq war were their main strategy UNTIL certain liberal Democrats with the initials Charles Schumer, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and the rest "created" the economic crisis they needed to ENSURE their victory in November!  I SINCERELY think that it was Schumer's intention to create a "small" banking crisis, just enough to scare the people into total and final "Bush/Republican" hatred to ensure their victory, then fix it real quick afterwards to show that the Democrats were the right choice in November.  UNFORTUNATELY for US, he created the housing crisis along with the banking crisis, and the entire deck of cards came tumbling down!!  That is EVIL IN ACTION!!!  Think about it.  Almost everything that the Democrats espouse is EVIL in it's nature, from abortion to reverse discrimination to changing the definition of marriage.  The "rest of them" will probably NEVER admit they are wrong for several reasons, but mostly because they are anti-God, and want to be God themselves!  If they EVER admitted that God exists, and that His laws are worth defending, that would destroy their entire meaning of life and their reason for existing!   Just a few of my thoughts.....
  • JackieM
    DS is responsible for making me laugh tonight!  Thanks, DS!  I read the link that he posted above and just had to copy and paste the actual statements below. 

    Bagdad Bob is just toooooo similar to obama that i could not resist!  don't hate me because it is true!  LOL!   before reading this, think of obama's digs at the GOP.  He said that everyone should call the members of the GOP and force them to sign the "stimulus" because it would create jobs and we needed the bill now.  think of all of the insults he has hurled at the GOP.  he said his "stimulus" bill was working and jobs have been saved and created as a result.  of course, there is no proof and his administration could not provide any documentation to back these statements they were making up.  LOL!  what is sad is the millions of Americans who still don't have jobs and won't have jobs as a result of this "stimulus."  there are a lot of Americans who can't dig ditches, pave roads and are not accountants so where in the hell are they going to work?  these jobs are temporary and most will not even be in play until 2010 or later.  so how is obama's plan a stimulus?  the temporary construction projects won't "stimulate" companies in the long run.  in addition, now we know he lied about his plan to pay for heathcare. 

    so here goes...............

    Actual Quotes From the Iraqi Information Minister
    (aka 'Baghdad Bob')

    "There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
    "My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"
    "Our initial assessment is that they will all die"
    "I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Americans!"
    "God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."
    'We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."
    "Surrender or be burned in their tanks."
    "No I am not scared and neither should you be!"
    "We have them surrounded in their tanks"
    Britain "is not worth an old shoe."
    Of U.S. troops: "They are most welcome. We will butcher them."
    "We will welcome them with bullets and shoes."
    "Washington has thrown their soldiers on the fire"
    "These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying"
    "They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion."
    "They do not even have control over themselves! Do not believe them!"
    "Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege. Therefore, in reality whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege."
    "They tried to bring a small number of tanks and personnel carriers in through al-Durah but they were surrounded and most of their infidels had their throats cut."
    "We made them drink poison last night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."

    "On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues"
    "We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted."

    "I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly."
    "Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected."
    "NO", snapped Mr al-Sahaf, "We have retaken the airport. There are NO Americans there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!"

    "We defeated them yesterday. God willing, I will provide you with more information. I swear by God, I swear by God, those who are staying in Washington and London have thrown these mercenaries in a crematorium."
    "Please, please! The Americans are relying on what I called yesterday a desperate and stupid method."
    "They will be burnt. We are going to tackle them"
    "We blocked them inside the city. Their rear is blocked"
    "Desperate Americans"
    "Today we slaughtered them in the airport. They are out of Saddam International Airport. The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed."
    "Their casualties and bodies are many."
    [On surrenders] "Those are not Iraqi soldiers at all. Where did they bring them from?"
    "Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat the lies of liars. Do not become like them. Once again, I blame Al-Jazeera before it ascertains what takes place. Please, make sure of what you say and do not play such a role."
    "Search for the truth. I tell you things and I always ask you to verify what I say. I told you yesterday that there was an attack and a retreat at Saddam's airport."
    "You can go and visit those places. Nothing there, nothing at all. There are Iraqi checkpoints. Everything is okay."
    "This boa, the American columns, are being besieged between Basra and other towns north, west, south and west of Basra....Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there."
    "By God, I think this is rather very unlikely. This is merely a prattle. The fact is that as soon as they reach Baghdad gates, we will besiege them and slaughter them....Wherever they go they will find themselves encircled."
    "Listen, this explosion does not frighten us any longer. The cruise missiles do not frighten anyone. We are catching them like fish in a river. I mean here that over the past two days we managed to shoot down 196 missiles before they hit their target."
    "Blair...is accusing us of executing British soldiers. We want to tell him that we have not executed anybody. They are either killed in battle, most of them get killed because they are cowards anyway, the rest they just get captured."
    "They fled. The American louts fled. Indeed, concerning the fighting waged by the heroes of the Arab Socialist Baath Party yesterday, one amazing thing really is the cowardice of the American soldiers. we had not anticipated this."
    "The louts of colonialism."
    "It has been rumored that we have fired scud missiles into Kuwait. I am here now to tell you, we do not have any scud missiles and I don't know why they were fired into Kuwait."
    "W. Bush, this man is a war criminal, and we will see that he is brought to trial"
    "I think the British nation has never been faced with a tragedy like this fellow [Blair]."
    "The United Nations....[is] a place for prostitution under the feet of Americans."
    "They are sick in their minds. They say they brought 65 tanks into center of city. I say to you this talk is not true. This is part of their sick mind."
    "They are superpower of villains. They are superpower of Al Capone."
    "Iraqi fighters in Umm Qasr are giving the hordes of American and Brtish mercenaries the taste of definite death. We have drawn them into a quagmire and they will never get out of it."
    "What they say about a breakthrough [in Najaf] is completely an illusion. They are sending their warplanes to fly very low in order to have vibrations on these sacred places . . . they are trying to crack the buildings by flying low over them."
    "Their forces committed suicide by the hundreds. ... The battle is very fierce and God made us victorious. The fighting continues."
    "Yesterday, we slaughtered them and we will continue to slaughter them."
    "We will push those crooks, those mercenaries back into the swamp"
    "When we were making the law, when we were writing the literature and the mathematics the grandfathers of Blair and little Bush were scratching around in caves"
    About Bush: "the leader of the international criminal gang of bastards."
    About Bush and Rumsfeld: "Those only deserve to be hit with shoes."
    Source: Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf (aka "Baghdad Bob"), compiled by WeLoveTheIraqiInformationMinister.com

    I am LMAO!  obama and bagdad bob must be one in the same person!  they just have to be!  LOL!
  • Jr Accountant

    Now let's be fair to Obama. The dollar has lost 95% of its value since the inception of the Federal Reserve - as much as I would like to blame that on our fearless leader, it isn't entirely fair to say he is the one responsible for inflation.

    He is, however, likely going to be the one responsible for hyperinflation if we continue down the current path, at which point I welcome you to point all the fingers you want. It will CERTAINLY be all his fault then.
  • JackieM
    this administration is really tearing the fabric of our country apart.  during the campaign obama said he had a plan to pay for healthcare.  where is it?  lies were definitely told!  he said the middleclass would not see an increase in their taxes and as a matter of fact, their taxes would decrease.  ok.  so he gives the middleclass a whole $13/week and may tax their healthcare benefits and add a cap and trade tax on top of that!  that doesn't count the inflation that is coming that i consider a dummy tax because obama is the dummy who caused it.  common sense needs to kick in with his supporters.  i know some of them are turning on him now but what in the hell happened to the rest of them?   obama is definitely the master disinformation minister!
  • JackieM
    DS -- so we have picked out some new names that fit obama tonight.  i love it!  i get tired of the same ole, same ole so this gives our posts some flair and definitely will get our point across!  BB is good!

    Jr Accountant-- loved your post and agree with you.  i think i will start referring to obama as a propogandist and DM also.  We just have lovely names for obama now, don't we!  LOL! 

    i like what we have accomplished here tonight!  Bud, do you have any thoughts on the matter?
  • Jr Accountant

    I think DM would be more appropriate. Disinformation Minister. Also short for "dungeon master" which is pretty much what life in the United States feels like.

    As a capitalist, I consider forced universal health care to be torture. Sure, it's not waterboarding but it IS a violation of my fundamental American right to politely decline a government handout. Like JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon said in regards to TARP, his bank didn't want to be marked with the scarlet letter of government assistance. So then would I rather figure out health care on my own, thank you very much.

    However you look at it, Obama is a propagandist. That role has been painfully obvious from the start. It's a shame that we wasted a historical event like the election of our first black president on THIS jerk.

    So sad.
  • DS
    He was known as "Baghdad Bob".  I'm sure this will bring it all back for everyone!  I like your analogy too!  We could call him "Baghdad Barry" since we know his real name is Barry Soetoro. 

  • DS
    I haven't heard from you yet.  What do you say about my proposal?  Dora, I want you to know that I respect your educational and business accomplishments very much!  And I'm not being sarcastic.  But I'm sure that you know that education alone doesn't automatically convert to wisdom or common sense.  I ran into this article today on a European Educational website and I thought it was extremely insightful.  It is a bit long, but well worth the read.  It is the main article on the page.  Check it out and let me know what you think about it.  I'll be honest upfront when I tell you it is from a christian educational organization, but I know you can still appreciate it since you are an academic lady at heart.

  • JackieM
    To all my conservative friends,

    I have now figured out who obama reminds me of.  When we first attacked Iraq, there was an information minister in Iraq that did interviews to supposedly update the people of his country.  Does anyone remember him?  This guy worked for Saddam and gave numerous interviews.  In each interview, he was outside with bombs going off in the back ground and smoke everywhere.  He would then say they had not been attacked and they were winning, blah, blah, blah!  Doesn't this sound like obama on the economic crisis?  obama has insisted that his economic plan is working and has saved jobs but can't prove it.  we happen to know this is not true and the bleeding continues.  with millions of Americans still losing their jobs, obama continues to point to his failed "stimulus" plan.  he says it is working and is the way out of this mess.  now you and i know that economy theory doesn't back this up.  we also know that history and common sense proves otherwise.  of course, there is the business side that comes into play and we know that businesses won't thrive under obama's rule.  i just thought i would point out the similarities of the information minister and obama.  so i will now sometimes refer to obama as the information minister (IM) because we know he isn't a leader and there has to be a name for him.  didn't this information minister start to be called the misinformation minister (MM)?  i think so!  so that is a better title for obama!
  • MR. BUD
    DS, if I have offended you, I apologize.  I don't think this is the case.  My point in all I do is that an attitude of "doing nothing" has not helped us, our cause or our party in the past.  Matter of fact, being a part of the silent majority and staying silent has given foothold to a lot of trash that is not a part of society.  Instead of standing up and proving it's wrong, we have just turned the other cheek!  I for one am tired of both cheeks betting sore.  Slap me and I'll slap you back from now on.  Sorry, that's the way is has to be for now.

    I hope that I would have many people join me in standing up to filthy ideas that have infiltrated our very way of living in this country.  I was willing to fight and die when I was a soldier.  I did that for God, Country and Me.  Well, I am willing to put up that same fight today because as I see it, our country is being destroyed by an enemy within.  If we don't stand up and take a bullet and fight on, then we are just as bad as the trash that is causing this country and MY way of life to deteroiate at an alarming rate.

    I love God and I am a christian but those folk could care less about my God and my way of life.  With me, it's "FIGHT AND DIE" for our cause...
  • JackieM
    DS--i don't mind reasoning but the plain ole economics that i discuss is just what it is.  there shouldn't be an argument there unless the arguments that i present are not factual and you know they are.  i also state what obama and biden have said and it still doesn't seem to matter.  i also bring up the fact that what they say and what they are doing are two different things and prove it.  that doesn't seem to matter either.  liberals are liberals and that means they are idiots!  i stand by that statement because i've done what you suggest and have held my tongue in comparison to what i would like to say.  considering that i think i've done well!
  • DS
    Dora, Bud, Jackie, and all;
    I love all of you guys, so please don't take this the wrong way.  All of the arguing and name calling is doing nothing to advance either sides of the arguments of liberal vs conservative values, or democrat vs republican philosophies.  Both sides have provided what they believe to be evidence that supports their side, yet neither side has been willing to admit defeat in any area of discussion.  This is beginning to remind me of what used to happen in the schoolyard growing up when kids would stand in front of each other and call each other names.  One would say "you are a liar", and the other would respond "I know you are, but what am I?"  Or one would say "you are ugly", and the other would say "I'm rubber and you are glue.  Everything that you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."   nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah......on and on until someone either started crying or it turned into a fist fight!  And in the end, nobody won.  Then there were bullies on the playground, and we needed somoen to stand up to them and put them in their place so that they wouldn't keep bullying others.  Maybe these aren't good analogies of what we're doing, but there are definite similarities.  In one of my distant posts I made a request that we all stop calling names and focus "strictly" on the facts of what is happening in our country.  "IF" we all love our country, then we should be able to agree on that in order to improve the situation.  But what I'm seeing is that we can't even agree that there are problems!  That is a problem!!!  So, we have a situation here that demands a different approach, one of which I have been trying to get everyone to engage in for some time without success!  We need to get back to the basics folks.  I know there have been some here who have tried to do that, and when they did they just got a "that isn't true" or "I don't believe that" or "you suck" answer back from the other side.  This tells me that there is NO REASON to keep arguing about it.  Sometimes silence is better than continuing to throw fuel on the fire!  I sure would like to see us "reason together" about some of these philosophical differences that we have, in hopes that we can get to a point where we will just have to agree to disagree...and move on.  I know that isn't human nature, and I also know that both sides feel strongly about certain positions which they will NEVER change!  But can we step back for awhile and change the nature of the argument?  In actuality, it's probably time for someone to write a new article that UC can post here for us whcih we can use to begin this new dialogue.  Maybe changing the subject would help with that.  If I were writing such an article, I think you all know what it would be about, and I would probably lose most of you before we got started!  I would like to discuss truth....what is it, how does it get used, where did it come from, when is it not truth, who defined it, and so on.  Can we all agree that without some TRUTH, we can argue all day and never get anywhere?  And could this be the reason that the world is so messed up?  Could it be the reason why there is so much greed, suffering, hate, and death in the world?  Could that be possible?  I am interested in your thoughts on this topic, and I sincerely believe that if we get serious about answering these questions, that we can make a difference in our country and in the world!!  Let's reason together!!
  • JackieM
    Thanks for your support, Bud!
  • MR. BUD
    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  Dora, if you could just let me in on the secrect, maybe I will quit laughing.  Are you trying to be funny, a commedian perhaps, because you can't be serious in what you write!  I have never doubted Jackie's intellect and now I am convinced even more that you are a GENUINE IDIOT!  Jackie has more common sense in her left little finger than you have had your whole lifetime!  There's no hope for you.  I know, DS seems to think there is but me, nah...  I'll pass!
  • JackieM
    Dora--you are a fool!  i understand economics extremely well and know about the lag time of employment.  however, you ignore the facts that the "stimulus" money has been boggled down in beauracy and there have been restrictions put on this money so that we the taxpayers have to pay more for the same jobs than we need to; therefore, a lot of this money is being wasted.  your own dim-witted vp even admitted that some of it has been wasted and he is in charge of this.  this administration can provide no proof that any jobs have been saved as a direct result of the stimulus and we continue to bleed jobs unnecessarily!  all of this is not of importance anyway in the creation of permanent jobs because the "stimulus" will fail to deliver!  of course, companies will continue to worry about obama's agenda of raising their taxes and won't hire people as they need because of it.  so job growth will continue to be a huge issue.  the only reason this recession will end will be that the private sector will make it so.  obama and his idiots are ensuring they hinder the process.  how stupid are you?  well, i think we know the answer.  oh yeah, i have heard obama speak on the same subject of personal responsibility before and laugh.  you can't talk about personal responsibility and then make abortions easier to get!  (pay attention to the healthcare bill.) LOL!  you can't talk about personal responsibility when you increase welfare!  LOL!  keep it up!  you are comical!  oh by the way, i didn't get any of this information from fox.  all of this came straight from the horse and pony!  you are an asshole and will refuse to actually comprehend what these morons are doing!  keep on believing everything obama tells you and we will keep laughing.  i know economics and the markets and it is obvious that you are lacking in that area!  everyone can't be good at everything.  however, you need to pick your battles on the subjects you actually know something about.
  • Dora
    Bud, Bub, Bubba, Bubbles- 

    Any credibility that you might have once had, Bubble brain was gone entirely once you joined the birthers.  
    Jackie never brings anything to the table but bitch and moan noise.
    Did you happen to catch Obama's words given yesterday at the NAACP, Jackie?   You can google it you know-  go listen if you dare. 
    Go listen to how he ignores "personal responsibility"  and "responsible parenting"  - oh yes, that's right-  if you did go listen,  you would have to retract things that you have repeated here over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.  I guess you believe that if you say it often enough,  someone will believe it. 
    Or maybe you could go listen to anything Obama has been saying all along concerning unemployment... what all ECONOMISTS have been saying all along concerning unemployment-  oh wait,  you,  being soooooooo informed on such matters - you already know that in tackling problems as a result of a depression, recession,  downturn in the economy - employment figures are the slowest to reflect sustained growth.   Buy hey,  why note actual facts when you can skate along with the uninformed that reside here and take their places in your yup-yup circle.   
    Every single day you provide proof of your bigotry.
    Every single day you provide proof that you are unable and unwilling to find actual facts.
    You take some Fox rep half-wit's impression of what they thought they heard-  does not matter that transcripts, videos, and human witnesses have debunked the half-wit's like Hannity or Beck or Drudge over and over and over and over again.  You are all about divisiveness.  That's all.  Nothing more.  You refuse to even consider the fact that you could be wrong on something-  after all, you saw it on television!   
    In your paranoid little mind,  you fancy that everyone not in agreement with you is out to get you.   Guess what?  If you didn't have such a narrow mind that prevents you from enlarging your vision and hearing- you could actually understand what others are saying.  That's not going to happen though.  You would rather lock yourself in your basement than to allow anything into your mind that would alter or question your dogma. 
    Your loss. 
    You have no interest in being a constructive part of society;
    again,  your loss.
  • JackieM
    Bud--have you noticed the two idiot liberals on this site have nothing to say!  their posts lack substance!  wow!  they remind me of obama!  LOL!
  • MR. BUD
    By the way Dora, WHO IS BUBBLES?  Do you have a secret pal or something?  I have never seen or hear of a Bubbles on this site...  Hummmmmm.  I think you lost it, if you ever had it in the first place.  Go out and play with your friend Amber - that is, IF SHE REALLY EXISTS...  I am pretty much convinced, YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS!  I am going to call you the "Alone Liberal"!  You can thank me later for my cander.  Don't rush right into something you might regret.
  • MR. BUD
    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!  I am laughing here in Oklahoma.  My friends are laughing to.  BHO's policies are backfiring and his ratings are going down.  Democrats are finally speaking out against his agenda and Nancy has gone into hiding.  That's not what I am laughing about.  Read the two post above and you too will see what I am laughing about.  This country is going to hell in a hand basket, Obama is failing, the conservative movement is growing by leaps and bounds and Obama's two most beloved supporters has nothing to say!  Amber can't get a word out and I think Dora copy and pasted one of her thousands of posts that are all the same.  THAT'S WHAT I AM LAUGHING ABOUT...  Ha, ha, ha!
  • Dora
    and they wonder why people from the south are stereotyped as dim-witted,  knuckle-dragging,  uneducated,  socially awkward,  culturally backward,  relative-marrying,  liquor-swigging, trailer dwelling,  foul-mouthed,  brain-dead idjits. ... all one need do is revisit any one of the GOP senator's statements participating in the Sotomayor hearings...or... you can read any one of Bubbles or Jackie's posts. 
    I cannot help wondering why they wish to portray themselves as such.
    But they do indeed.
  • amber
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  • JackieM
    let me clarify my statement--i really think obama and biden need to have the balls (which they don't) to hold one big townhall.
  • JackieM
    According to the new polls that came out today, obama's rating are continuing to fall and now they are falling faster than before.  duh!  i really think obama and biden need to have the balls (which they done) to hold one big townhall.  the only folks besides the press that need to be invited are all of those who are unemployed, want to work and can't find jobs due to this administration's incompetence!  now that would be a meeting i could believe in!  i challenge the SOBs to do this!  as a matter of fact, it would probably be the first meeting since he was elected that he wasn't allowed to have the audience screened beforehand.  he would then get the real truth!  you know--the truth that he doesn't want to hear.  you know--the real Americans of this country speaking out and making that SOB listen for a change.  you know--it would be giving that SOB a big does of reality!  that is called freedom, which is the word obama has refused to acknowledge or let happen because he is a dictator and only makes decisions based on his political future!  let's call him out and let him face the very people he has screwed over!  this is the only change besides kicking him out of office that i believe in!
  • JackieM
    CBO: Health bills to increase federal costs

    Now who in the hell didn't know this?   oh yeah, the damn democrats! 

    during his campaign obama insisted that he already had a plan to pay for this.  so if he had a plan, where is it?  hmmmmmm!  obama lied again!  so now they want to tax the "rich" and as a result, this will ensure the unemployment rates continue to increase.  now obama will somehow lie his way out of this one just as he has everything else.  only the smart will see through his bullshit, which means his supporters won't--AGAIN!  in addition, they are proposing to tax everyone's healthcare benefits.  now what happened to the 95% of Americans who would get tax cuts under this administration?  oh yeah, i forgot obama means the whole $13/week he gave to the middleclass.  so then he takes more than that away from them?  what is this called?  a deficit!  obama and his idiot supporters know this word for sure.   well, one group of folks that will benefit from this--the people who don't pay taxes anyone.  they have already received $250 from the idiot so they are happy!  even the dead people profited if they could figure out how to cash the checks obama sent them!  how's that for efficiency?  so now the non-taxpayers will have access to more welfare!  how are the lowest of the low helping us to create jobs?  give me a break!  now obama could to the right thing and actually cut spending but that would make him a leader.  we know he would never do that.  of course, his definition of cutting spending and mine are two different things.  his half-assed approach to problem solving is laughable!  i agree with the folks that say he is the worst leader ever.  i also say that he is not a leader and jimmy carter looks great compared to this moron.  as i've said before, my beagles could make better decisions that obama!  obama is a clown and is screwing our country!  i hope the democrats/liberals are happy for F...ing us over.  i don't give a damn about the democrats/liberals that have lost their jobs because they are to blame for voting this SOB into office!
  • JackieM
    Bud--whoops!  i was in a hurry!  however, i'm not worried about dora at all!
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, better spell them names right, Dora will be on you...

    If a liberal politician tells you it's a "nice day," better grab your hip boots.
    Now that Lies (and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them) author Al Franken is actually a real-life United States senator, we might need to craft either a new definition of "lies" or "truth" – take your pick. The whoppers have been flying thick and fast in recent days.
     For instance, in his July 11 radio address, President Obama actually declared that the stimulus "has worked as intended." If you recall, the White House promised during arm-twisting time in February that the $787 billion stimulus would create or "save" 3.5 million jobs over the next two years. Instead, the unemployment rate has risen from 8.1 percent in February to 9.5 in July. Employers cut 467,000 jobs in June. Something's working, but it's not millions of still-jobless Americans. To be fair, the stimulators have got another 19 months or so. And they claim that 8 zillion jobs would have been lost without the massive fix. But it's not looking good, especially since they're already talking about Son of Stimulus.
    And how about Sen. Patrick Leahy's glowing tribute to the Wise Latina at her Senate hearing on Monday? With a straight face, and knowing Sonia Sotomayor's record on racial preferences has been flushed out for all to see, Leahy coughed, ahrem!:
    "She understands that there is not one law for one race or another. There is not one law for one color or another. There is not one law for rich and a different one for poor. There is only one law."
    This is not something you might expect about a nominee who served 12 years on the board of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund (now the Latino Justice/PRLDEF), or the National Council of La Raza ("the Race"), both of which unabashedly advocate for race-based special rights for minorities along with a laundry list of other liberal causes like unrestricted abortion and economic redistribution.
    And if Sotomayor is so committed to the rule of law, why has she been reversed four out of six times when her rulings have come before the Supreme Court?
    Leahy again: "She has said that 'ultimately and completely' a judge has to follow the law, no matter what their upbringing has been. That is the kind of fair and impartial judging that the American people expect. That is respect for the rule of law. That is the kind of judge she has been."
    Really? Then why did Sotomayor summarily dismiss the reverse racism claim in the Ricci case from New Haven, Conn. white firefighters (and even one Hispanic) who had scored high enough but were denied promotions simply because of their skin color? Should they have spent more time in the tanning booth?
    Speaking of liberal jurists, Leahy also found time to burnish the reputation of departing Justice David Souter, who sashayed his way on to the court by being billed as a strict constructionist conservative -- and once aboard, dispensed liberal liquor by the barrel:
    "Justice Souter," Leahy claimed, "served the Nation with distinction for nearly two decades on the Supreme Court with a commitment to justice, an admiration for the law, and an understanding of the impact of the Court's decisions on the daily lives of ordinary Americans."
    You mean ordinary Americans like Suzette Kelo, who saw city officials in New London, Conn. expand the idea of eminent domain to seize her home not for a vital right of way but merely to facilitate more tax-generating development? Souter, who voted with the 5-4 majority in Kelo v. City of New London (2005) to rubber stamp this egregious violation of property rights, must have decided that she was not an "ordinary American" but something else. A Canadian, maybe.
    It really is a shame that Souter's home town of Weare, New Hampshire, in the wake of Kelo rejected a serious proposal to condemn his home and build in its place the Lost Liberty Hotel. Perhaps the city fathers would have favored a miniature golf course, taxidermy shack or whatever else might have been more remunerative than the justice's residence.
    Getting back to Leahy, he peppered his speech with warnings to his colleagues about civility, which must have made them feel something like a church choir being reprimanded by Hulk Hogan:
    "I trust that all Members of this Committee here today will reject the efforts of partisans and outside pressure groups that have sought to create a caricature of Judge Sotomayor while belittling her record, her achievements and her intelligence."
    Leahy, who voted against the nominations of the highly qualified Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito, is a curious advocate for restraint and courtesy. Here's how National Review's Jay Nordlinger recalls Leahy's conduct of hearings in 2001 for Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft, one of the most gentlemanly public officials in memory:
    "Leahy threw at Ashcroft everything he had, trying to sink the nomination. There were hostile witness panels, hostile allegations — the works. Says one person close to the Ashcroft team, 'Our reaction was, Wow! I mean, holy Moses! The guy's trying to slay us!' In the end, Ashcroft squeaked through, but not before being tarred before the nation as a racist, reactionary nut."
    That's something to keep in mind when we hear Mr. Leahy admonish his fellow Judiciary Committee panelists:
    "As we proceed, let no one distort Judge Sotomayor's record."
    Too late, Senator. You already have.
  • JackieM
    Aily--Thanks for your posts!  You will be missed but have a great weekend!
  • MR. BUD
    The article below was sent to me by a friend.  Since I am not convinced that Obama is legal as President, (he has not produced a REAL birth certificate) I thought I would share this email with you.  DORA, READ THIS...

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    Posted: July 14, 2023
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    A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.
    His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders.
    "We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate – and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"
    She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons – just revoked."
    A hearing on the questions raised by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, an engineer who told WND he wants to serve his country in Afghanistan, was scheduled for July 16 at 9:30 a.m.
    Join the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate!
  • DS
    Have a restful and blessed weekend!!  Thanks for all of your well thought out and insightful posts!  You are a GREAT American!!  Hurry back!!  I know you will be thinking of us!   God bless you and protect you this weekend!
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, thanks for the posts.  Be careful on your time away.  I noticed on the news this morning that not one democrat has signed on to switch their insurance plan to the new one.  WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?  Good for the braves but not the chief?  SUCKS!  Here is a web site that is supposed to be listing politicians that are going for the plan that the democrats are trying to approve for US braves...


    The unemployment rate is still climbing and the forclosure rate is still climbing - with no end in site - WE NEED MORE STIMULUS!  Yea, right.  Taxes are already on the rise for the ones who have jobs and the ones who owns companies.  (also for anybody that spends a dollar) Before BHO leaves office this nation will be in poverty!  Hundreds of small companies will have closed down, unemployment will be at an all time high - probably better than 20%, or more!  The health care in this nation will be in shambles and our dollar will only be worth about 50% of what it was when he went into office.  (we will do what ever China tells us to do)  SO, THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT STILL WANT THIS RIGHT?  Hummm, sounds good to me - NOT!
  • Aliy
    A couple issues for you to chew on while I'm gone:

    1. The house is rushing the health care bill through. Obama has put US the country, the voters, "On notice" that this bill is passing if or not we like it. He can't stand up to Iran, Korea, or any country that might speak Islam but Isreal and US he has no problem strong arming.

    2. The health care bill (burried on page 900 or something) has a provision that the house isn't subject to it. In other words, it's good enough for US and they are going to force OUR employers to carry our health care cost but they are exempt!?

    3. There's a billboard in TX right now saying that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a republican. It's an african-american church trying to educate the people that the side they voted for isn't the side of civil rights. It's about damn time. The black panthers are pissed but they don't deny it. All they say is "it's not the SAME republican party Dr. King was a part of".  Semantics, who around here does THAT sound like?

    4. The liberals think by forcing Sotomayor into the supreme court they are going to seal up the Hispanic vote. ALL hispanics are not equal. She's P. Rican, there are also Cubans, Puruvians, Hondorians, etc. etc. and if you really think by electing one you've given a voice to all, you're a dolt.  The only thing they share in common is a language.

    5. And Yesterdays poll numbers: Only 29% of the voters "stongly approve" 36% are on the fence and 35% think he sucks! Starting to swing people, starting to swing!!!!
  • Aliy
    I'm going away on a working vacation for the weekend so I will be back on Monday. I guess Dora will have to just hate more on the rest of you (sorry guys). Soooo stupid. Did she actually say masterbation is abortion by our standards? Seriously, how stupid does she sound?! Yet again showing she has NO CLUE of what the real issue is.

    She also said she knows of no one that "favors" abortion. Planned Parenthood will suggest it to minor girls who have been raped and NOT REPORT THE RAPE. There's values for you! Kill the baby let the rapist get away.
  • Aliy
    Dora said:

    1)  Judge Sotomayor's decision regarding the firefighters was UPHOLDING the law at the time.   She was not the only one involved in the Ricci case.  Her job was not to make policy- but to uphold the law.
    The Supreme Court, on the other hand in this regard,  elected to MAKE policy.   I believe you call this legislating from the bench in a 5-4 decision.

    This proves how frigin stupid she is. the supreme court is NOT there to MAKE law you frigin dolt. You can spew hate and you can tell everyone you have a law degree, and let me guess, next you're going to tell everyone you WERE a judge, but let me tell you, you're as stupid as the day is long. I can't believe you're actually trying to tell me the SUPREME COURT MAKES Law? You don't have the first CLUE how the country works.

    And she DIDN'T UPHOLD any such law in the case of the New Haven fire fighters, she made a racist decision against white people and for a minority which was over turned as UNCONSTITUTIONAL. So how can you sit there and tell me she followed the law by being a racist? You're so frigin stupid. You just open your mouth and prove it everyday.

    It's cute that you call us "bubbles" and stupid, an ignorant and all the other great names you've called us but I have to tell you, YOU'RE looking pretty dumb when you make comments that just prove you have NO CLUE how this country works. But of course, you have a degree in that don't you?
  • DS
    Bud, I think both of our answers regarding the abortion statistics are true, and there is one more I would add. Contrary to what obama thinks, MOST citizens in our country "claim" to be christian (Protestant and/or Catholic). That being the case, is it not logical that the abortion statistics would be in line with the same percentages? But, as I said, a Protestant/Cathoic does NOT mean they're christian by any means! True christians wouldn't get an abortion! They understand and believe in the sanctity of life!!
  • MR. BUD
    Dora (953)
    37% of women who get abortions are Protestant, 31% are Catholic and 24% claim no religion.   hmmm... seems like you folks are the worst offenders.  is this another of your do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do positions??

    Dora, can you not see what you just wrote or pasted or however you put it in your post?  I am about 100% sure that those statistics came from some liberal web site, probably some of your friends.  I can see the conversation between two Abortion Doctors as I write this.  Old Jake just performed an abortion and calls Ralph, his abortion buddy.  "Hey Ralph, I just knocked off another Catholic!  Better put that one in the statistic book cause I am sure the maggots and faggots are gonna want to know what religion that woman was".  THIS IS MADNESS DORA, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE NUTS TO BELIEVE THAT THESE KINDS OF STATISTICS ARE ANYTHING BUT FALSE!  Gee, get a life...
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  • JackieM
    Amen, Bud and DS!

    Dora--a woman's body is her own and she should be able to choose to do with it what she pleases until a child is involved.  it is her choice to sleep with whatever and whomever she wants.  of course, in your world there is no place for morality so you won't understand right from wrong.  again, your agrument is selfish!  everyone has the right to do what they please as long as they follow the law AND they don't intrude on the rights of others!  that last part is what you are missing!  you can't be this stupid, dora!
  • MR. BUD
    DS, thank you, thank you, thank you...

    Dora, you can pretend that every material thing on this earth isn't what it is - and you might make some people act along with you - there's one thing you might try to pretent isn't real - but it is real!  That one thing is TRUTH Dora.  God is truth.  You can't hide from the truth of God.  Listen to DS Dora, you still have a chance.  You can be saved.  God loves you just like DS says he does.  So, it's your choice.  Sorry, there's no other way.
  • DS
    I just thought of something that I need you to help clarify.  Why is it that people can justify murdering an unborn child, but they always question and blame God when an accident occurs and innocent people die?  I have a really hard time understanding that Dora.  Thanks for your answer in advance!
  • DS
  • DS
    Dora, Dora, Dora......kind of catchy phrase.  Seems similar to a movie title I watched.  Just a joke Dora, don't take it seriously.  I know how difficult it is to take any thing seriously, especially when it comes to God, TRUTH, life after death, the rights of unborn "children", or any other number of important issues which require moral clarity and conviction! 

    I need to address your statements in 953 and extrapolate on some others.  Thank you for your attention.

    First, religious labels such as Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, or any label you would like to use means NOTHING when it comes to knowing God and His TRUTH!!  Being one of these DOESN'T mean that you know God, or that He knows you!  These are man-made labels and organizations Dora.  So, your statistics really mean nothing to me, OR to God!  He looks at our hearts, NOT what religion we are, or are not.  There are atheists in every church Dora!  And isn't that one of the reasons you have decided to not believe in God, or attend any kind of religious event?  Isn't it because organized religion is bad, and causes so many of the worlds problems?  Can you please start answering some of my questions Dora, rather than just stick out your tongue and tell me that you don't want me to talk?  Please Dora?

    Second, your argument about fetus rights taking away the rights of a woman to choose is hogwash!  You are a bigot if you REALLY believe that!  Isn't that the same logic that was used to keep blacks down?  Their rights shouldn't interfere with the rights of whites to be supreme and make decisions for everyone should they?  Dora, you intellectual dishonesty is making you look silly and confused!  Again, what is TRUTH Dora?  Is it Dora's truth, is it some Judge's truth, or is it God's TRUTH?  If it goes against God's TRUTH, then it isn't truth at all!  It is actually a lie!!!  and your masturbation claims are so out in left field that I can't even respond to them.  You merely use them to TRY to refute the truth of abortion being murder!!  Nobody I know would EVER go out on the limb you just did to use that example!!  I think MOST of us know that a human being requires a female egg to be fertilized by a male sperm IN ORDER TO create life Dora!  But I understand that you are simply borrowing your messiah's logic again to try to prove a false claim.  He is soooo good at that Dora, and so are a lot of "educated" liberals I know, but their wrong and anyone with half a brain knows better.  Unfortunately, it just so happens that there are a LOT of folks in our country with less than half a brain.

    And last, you are right to look at me as a pushy salesperson!  The only problem with your analogy is that I'm not paid a salary or commission!!  I do this strictly because of love Dora!  God loved me so much that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die in my place!!  And because of His love for me, I am able to love even the most unlovable people on earth.  I even love you Dora!!  I wish I could sit down and talk with you about life Dora...about how He created us, for what purpose, and how you can know this God who created you!  I would like to answer all of your questions about life, God, good and evil, or anything else you would like to know.  God is very capable and willing todo that Dora!  He will answer ALL of your questions....just come to Him and ask!   He doesn't want ANYONE to perish Dora.  he wants ALL of us to know and love Him!  That's why He sent His ONLY begotten Son to live, die, and resurrect from the dead for us!!!  And one last thing Dora.  You don't have to "buy" my product.  It is FREE Dora!  All you have to do is accept it.  If you choose to reject it, that is your choice.  But you have heard the TRUTH now Dora, and you will be held accountable by God for it.  When you stand before Him I promise you that He will bring my words to your attention again.  He will ask why you didn't accept His FREE gift of love?  You will have no excuse except to tell Him that you chose death over life!  You still have time Dora!  Do it today!  Today is your day of salvation Dora!!
  • Dora
    37% of women who get abortions are Protestant, 31% are Catholic and 24% claim no religion.   hmmm... seems like you folks are the worst offenders.  is this another of your do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do positions??

    Banning any type of abortion to "protect the fetus" necessarily grants rights to the fetus -- an utter perversion of individual rights. If a woman has no right to her own body, then by what logic does a fetus (which, by definition, is a biological parasite) have a right to the woman's body? Properly, an infant's rights begin after the fetus is removed from the mother's body and its umbilical cord cut.

    According to your fractured thinking, all male masturbation should be banned with a death penalty or life imprisonment available because sperm ejaculation  causes a  potential human being to be terminated.  And... just to be safe,  any male even thinking about masturbating can be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder.  

    DS don't bother with quotes from your bible as a support for why everyone should be bound by religious based legislation you wish to insert as law.   We are not a theocracy.   Learn it.  You want religion in your life - have at it.  Leave those of us alone who have no interest in this .   You are an immediate bore as you constantly push this in people's faces.   You are as offensive as a pushy salesperson on commission.   I never buy from them either.
  • DS

    You said:  
    5)  Jackie-  i know of no person who "favors" abortion - late term or otherwise.   Abortions are not "available on demand"  as you have said.  Late term abortions are legal in some cases when specific problems exist concerning that  pregnancy.  Take your head out of your ass and read something sometime.   Again,  your ignorance is displayed daily here.    You don't like lima beans- don't eat them.   No one forces you to eat them.   We don't make them illegal because you don't like them.

    Your logic and arguments amaze me!  You also want to quote what the law is, but if the law doesn't support your desires, then you squeal like a stuck pig and claim discrimination!  Just for your information, abortion was ILLEGAL in this country until Roe v. Wade.  So why did it become legal?  Was it because we became a more moral society all at once, and realized that we needed to give mother's the "right" to MURDER their unborn (in most cases) children for ANY reason they wished?  I don't think so!!  We became a more IMMORAL society at that point!!  And marriage has ALWAYS been between a MAN and a WOMAN!  Yet, you want that changed because it doesn't suit YOUR desires!!  And you claim that we wrong for not changing the law?  Again, you want us become a more IMMORAL society!!  In case you, or anyone else on this site asn't figured it out yet.....and obviously you haven't, ALL of the issues that we are fighting about in our society today are issues of MORALITY vs IMMORALITY.......TRUTH vs LIES.......GOD vs MAN!!!   We ALWAYS come back to this same point don't we Dora??!!  God ALONE is truth!!  Man isn't truth, and can't define truth outside of his own selfish desires!!!  And that doesn't make it truth for everyone...but only for himself!!  That kind of truth will NEVER stand Dora!!  It doesn't even stand in our own court systems, let alone the court of GOD!!!  Be honest with yourself Dora and face these questions of TRUTH and MORALITY!!  The sooner you accept TRUTH as it really is, the sooner our society will be fair and honest....and the sooner God will be able to bless us and make things right with the world!!  UNTIL then, we will continue to become more IMMORAL, and society will continue to decay!!  Man thinks he is so smart!  He is able to develop and present arguments for ANYTHING that is in dispute!  But just because one man's argument is chosen over another to resolve ANY dispute doesn't prove he was right does it?  It doesn't prove his argument was TRUTH and the other argument was not.  This is man's dilemma Dora.  He thinks he is so smart that he doesn't need God's TRUTH for anything!  He thinks he knows better than God!  He is his own God!!  That is exactly what happened in the Garden of Eden Dora, and we have been paying for it ever since!  UNTIL we agree with God that we are sinners, and that we need Him and His TRUTH, we will be lost!!  We CANNOT save ourselves, and we CANNOT create TRUTH that is TRUTH for EVERYONE!!

    Dora, this simple little verse explains it all.

    Romans 6 
    23For the wages of (A)sin is death, but the free gift of God is (B)eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, I'm laughing over here too!  For two reasons I love you.  No. 1.  You are a wonderful Conservative, Christian, Republican.  And No. 2.  You never give up on old Dora.  Maybe she is like a big rock, keep chipping away at it and it may get smaller.  I don't know...  As far as communicating with Dora, outside of pure chaos, IS IMPOSSIBLE for me.  I give up on the communicating part with her - I will never give up on doing battle with her!
  • JackieM
    dora--pretending to be misinformed on abortion is your way of ignoring what is actually happening out in the real world.  late-term abortions have been performed when the mother was fine and the baby was fine.  educate yourself.  in addition, there are people that have publicly spoken about how many abortions they have had.  they are readily available.  keep on talking.   killing chldren regardless of what stage of pregnancy the mother is in is wrong.  just because abortion is legal doesn't make it right!  children are dying period!    

    you are a damn liberal and the judge was wrong!  discrimination of any kind is wrong and you know it!  the judge can say anything she wants to about her latino comment but that doesn't mean she is telling the truth!  you will believe it though just as you believed what obama said when he talked about helping small businesses.  we now have proof he lied again!  you railed me on my comments about this a long while ago.  i said obama was going to destroy this country.  he was going to ensure small businesses suffered and as a result, unemployment would rise significantly.  you came back with some of obama's rhetoric and now you see who was right!  i'm laughing over here.
  • Dora
    1)  Judge Sotomayor's decision regarding the firefighters was UPHOLDING the law at the time.   She was not the only one involved in the Ricci case.  Her job was not to make policy- but to uphold the law.
    The Supreme Court, on the other hand in this regard,  elected to MAKE policy.   I believe you call this legislating from the bench in a 5-4 decision.

    2) Spewing hate for correcting you when you place WRONG information here??   MY, my, my... try placing truth here, you will hear nothing from me.    Aliy and Jackie have made statements here regarding Sotomayor's record of reversal.   I have shown you where you are not only horribly misinformed-  you continue to blurt noise and call them facts. 

    3)  it took less than 4 minutes into today's hearings before the GOP reps brought up the "wise latino" statement.   the fact that this has been addressed, asked and answered repeatedly yesterday seems to make no difference to you idiots - you insist upon beating a dead horse and have never... NEVER been able to come up with a single case in her entire career on the bench that would indicate any form of bias with regard to gender or anything else.   Every single study of ALL of her cases have shown this to be true.  

    4)  "Somehow I know they really don't believe what they say (because I think if you are walking and talking, you just can't be thay damn stupid.)
    Bubbles-  bubbles...bubbles... what the hell are you attempting to say here?? 

    5)  Jackie-  i know of no person who "favors" abortion - late term or otherwise.   Abortions are not "available on demand"  as you have said.  Late term abortions are legal in some cases when specific problems exist concerning that  pregnancy.  Take your head out of your ass and read something sometime.   Again,  your ignorance is displayed daily here.    You don't like lima beans- don't eat them.   No one forces you to eat them.   We don't make them illegal because you don't like them.
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, I have known from the first that Dora's elevator don't go all the way up. Honestly, I ignore her stupidity.  I fight with the urge to feel sorry for people of her mental state but when people want to destroy this country, MY COUNTRY, stupid or not - I KICK ASS!
  • JackieM
    as usual dora is spewing hate this morning.  she is the most judgemental person i've ever come across.  i watch all of the news channels and have been following the judge's testimony.  dora does nothing but lie and that is why she is a liberal.  i'm sure the firefighers that the judge screwed out of promotions years ago are not happy to see her there.  i'm sure they would have loved to have had the money they earned from the promotion they were supposed to get years ago.  again, dora is displaying her self-centered attitude and doesn't give a damn about people who actually earn a promotion and are denied it simply because of their race.  she doesn't give a damn about the families that need the money they were entitled to.  even if compensation were paid today, which it should be, that doesn't make up for the lost time.  of course, what should we expect from an idiot who doesn't respect life?  what should we expect from someone who believes killing late-term babies is ok?
  • JackieM
    Bud--as the comedian Ron White said, "you can't fix stupid."
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, liberals make up stuff as they go.  Somehow I know they really don't believe what they say (because I think if you are walking and talking, you just can't be thay damn stupid.) but if they can make you believe it, it's okay!  BHO is one of the world's best at adlib.  Idiots just swollow it down.

    Dora says all this stuff but you can tell by the way our words effect her that she lies through her teeth!  That is, if she has any...  It's like Sarah Palin, she can fart and all the liberals go into a big whirl wind, they don't like how it smells.  Hell, I don't have a problem with her farts - I let some pretty rank ones myself.

    Anyway, I have read most of the posts since I am back off my little GOLF VACATION.  Matter of fact, I golfed with a liberal.  Not really a liberal, he is an old dude holding on to party ties.  I asked him how did he like the way the stimulus was turning out and if any of his grand kids had lost their jobs.  His reply was "Well, we'll see how it all turns out".  You know me though, couldn't let it stay there.  I asked him about why the jobs were still being lost instead of creating new ones, as we were promised, his reply, "We may have made a big mistake with this one".  Meaning, OBAMA!  Know what my reply was?  "Watch that we stuff, I didn't vote for him".  Got a little smile with that one.

    DS, Aliy, Jackie, RaDena, Jr., and the rest of the conservatives on here, you are my hope for America.  I know all this is going to go for the worst, I don't want that but I can't wait to shove it right down the throat of every liberal I have even known!
  • Dora
    Note to Jackie, Bubble brain, and Aliy-  better hurry,  the stupid bus is waitng at the stop for your daily pick-up.   Don't forget your lunch.

    CSPAN is continuing to give complete coverage of the hearings -  why not educate yourself and get the information directly from the source instead of second and third hand "quotes" out of context from Faux Noise and Air Limpbag.
  • Dora

    1)  if you had a brain (which I seriously doubt)  you would have gone to the link provided that did the study of constitutional cases that involved Ms Sotomayor - where you would also have found answers to your continued ignorance and stupidity.

    2)  The Supreme Court, unlike the federal circuit courts of appeal, can choose which cases it wants to hear (a perogative called certiorari). The Supremes select just a handful of matters (maybe 1-2% out of thousands) each year, and they generally pick rulings they'd like to overturn. After all, if they're happy with an appeals court decision, why spend more time on it if they'd only uphold it?

    3)  Over each of the last several terms, the high court has reversed 75% of the cases that have come before it.  Ms Sotomayor had 6 cases reviewed by the Supreme Court.  Sotomayor's decisions were upheld far more frequently than the norm. .. out of the 380-odd opinions she penned while on the Second Circuit, the Supreme Court granted cert on just six. And of those six, Sotomayor was reversed on only three. That's a .500 batting average, a figure even Ted Williams would have to admire.  The continued flap by you and other ignorants touting a "65%" reversal rate is not only inaccurate, you entirely misrepresent what context the 50% reversal represents.
    Three cases out of 6 that were granted cert (to be reviewed by the US Supreme Court)  .  Try to understand what you are reading before you repeat it, Aliy.  

    3)  I have a gun.  Several, in fact.  There was no need to shoot the bear- she was just passing by with her cubs.   Contrary to what you would do in any situation- that of "shoot first ask questions later"- my main concern was for our dogs (3) - to be certain they were indoors.  A bear generally will not bother with people unless provoked or hungry.   People that live up in the mountains as I do know that one does not leave food or rubbish cans out that would attract bears.   A mother bear with cubs happens to be, understandably,  constantly on the alert for the protection of her cubs.  If she felt they were threatened by the dogs she would do whatever it took to protect her offspring.   I have deer and elk and wild turkey on the property every single day.  Even during hunting season the law does not permit the killing of any of these animals without a hunting permit and in season. Poaching is against the law.  Some of us actually abide by the rules, Aliy.   I can see, upon reading your responses that either you are ignorant of the law or elect not to abide by it.  

    4)  I speak french.  As I have noted previously here I speak a number of languages having been introduced to the fascinating world of linguistics in PUBLIC SCHOOL.   In high school I studied french, greek, and latin,  primarily  .   because of my association with my foreign exchange student friend,  french became my primary interest.   

    5)  I don't need to "try hard" to make you look stupid.  You manage this well enough on your own.
  • Aliy
    DS and Bud, I'm with you on this bear thing. If you just talk to him, he won't eat you!

    Dora tries so hard to make us look stupid with typos and she tries so hard to make herself look so smart, according to her there's NOTHING she doesn't have a degree in. Again, I think she's just full of crap. Anyone can put a phrase in a translator and hit copy paste.

    Did anyone else see that the state of Rhode Island banned a group from next years 4th of July parade becuase they were handing out copies of the constitution off their float!!!!!????  They said it was (and I SWEAR, I'm not making this up) "political propaganda" WHAT!!!!????? THE CONSTITUTION IN RHODE ISLAND IS CONSIDERED POLITICAL PROPAGANDA!!!!! Yet MORE calls to state reps I'm going to have to add to my list.

    I'm spending more time on the phone lately calling reps all over the place than I am on here, and I'm on here a LOT!
  • Aliy
    Dora's post (around 925) she's got all these ridiculous figures in there. AGAIN. You know what 78.9% of people MAKE UP THIS CRAP. She doesn't site a poll, she doesn't site anything but her own made up figures.

    Just like when she said since 2004 Obama's written or co-sponsored over 1,000 bills. The house only takes on an average of 100 bills a year to vote on so in 3 years Obama was there she expects us to believe that he more than tripled the amount of bills they had to hear? She makes this stuff up. And she calls US bubbles
  • Aliy
    Hold on there Amber, that's NOT what we were told. We were told if we didn't get the stimulus PASSED that is what we were headed for. If it passed, we wouldn't see unemployment go over 8%. Do YOU forget THAT?
  • JackieM
    DS and Bud--you are awesome!
  • DS
    She wouldn't think of doing that!  All you really need to do is to talk nice to Mr. Bear and he will surely leave you alone!  obama is proving that tactic right now with all of our enemies.  See how nice they are being?  We haven't been attacked by one of them yet!  It works....it works....it works!!!  All we need is love.....all we need is love.......all we need is love, love......love is all we need!!  John Lennon was a squirrel....
  • MR. BUD
    Dora (928)

    should have read: "an all too common error made by ignorant people."  I posted in haste because of the bear outside.  sorry to those of you who caught my error. 

    You fucking idiot!  If you had a gun you could have shot the friggin bear..
  • MR. BUD

    To All My Valued Employees,

    There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse that presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

    However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help
    you decide what is in your best interests.

    First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against
    employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a Back Story. This back-story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

    However, what you don't see is the BACK STORY:

    I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300
    square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way would eventually employ you. My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

    Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, someday, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

    So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... you never realize the Back Story and the sacrifices I've made.

    Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bailout all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

    Yes, business ownership has it's benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

    I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

    The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country. The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

    Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

    When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't
    defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

    So where am I going with all this?

    It's quite simple.

    If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I'll fire you ass and your coworkers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn 't my problem any more.

    Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done! I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

    So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it
    will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this
    country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever.

    If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

    Signed, THE BOSS
  • JackieM
    dora, your ignorance is showing again.  at first i was impressed by obama during the debates.  i can't stand hillary and thought he would be better anyday.  then i heard him talk about his agenda and learned about his lack of experience.  then it all changed.  i was and am smart enough to understand economic theory and big business so i knew then what i know now--his agenda will destroy this country.  you are an idiot for judging something you know nothing about.  that is typical of you though!
  • JackieM
    dora--oh i've paid attention to what obama said and you are ignorant for believing him!  by the way, there is no proof their have been jobs saved.  now they can say that but there are no facts to back that up and it can't be proven at this point.  his administration admitted that.  so stop your lies, dora.  stepping over and ignoring a rape victim is legal too but that doesn't make it right.  i happen to know that abortions are done at the drop of a hat and i also know the steps that are taken before they are performed.  keep up your garbage, i'm laughing.  i've done my research, you moron.
  • amber
    hey whip it out, heres a come back for ya, how about "freedom fries", you fucking idiot.
  • amber
    i was offended by whip it outs comment, but that was priceless she speaks french, hee hee heeee.
  • amber
    nice work dora
  • Dora
    Mickey Mouse  ^
  • Dora
    Bubble brain,  I am perfectly capable of speaking french as it was a minor of mine in college following three years of high school french.
    During my spring breaks,  I visited France to stay with a friend who was part of the student exchange program in my high school.  We remain friends today. 


    A shortened, more casual version of the French expression à tout à l'heure (Anglicized as "toodle-oo"), meaning goodbye.

    Tootles, a character in the fictional story "Peter Pan, or The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up"- one of the Lost Boys of Neverland, comrades of Peter Pan  Toodles Galore was a female cat in the Tom and Jerry cartoons.

    Toodles, a fictional magical device from the Michey Mouse Clubhouse children's series.

    et… si vous voulez vraiment inclure l'argot urbain, les toodles fait la référence à….Un man' ; parties génitales de s… entre autres.
    Des bulles, vous vraiment, avez besoin vraiment d'un passe-temps prenez peut-être croix-piquer ou quelque chose moins violente avant que vous sautiez une veine.

  • Dora
    should have read: "an all too common error made by ignorant people."  I posted in haste because of the bear outside.  sorry to those of you who caught my error.
  • DS
    Just to set you straight.  I don't have a basement, and I'm not sitting around waiting for the rapture.  You won't find the word "rapture" in scripture, but I understand that you're talking about the second coming of Jesus.  Just so you know, I am not waiting for that as I believe He already returned in 70 A.D.  I don't know how much you know about eschatology, but I'm more than willing to discuss it with you if you wish.  Of course, you shouldn't be concerned with end times theology UNTIL you have repented of your sins and asked Jesus to become YOUR Lord and Savior!!  After you are saved we can begin discussing other "less important" theological matters such as His second coming.  And as I said before, EVERYONE will be judged when they die.  Some will spend eternity with God while others will spend eternity spearated from God.  You can change your destination simply by confessing to God that you are a sinner, and that you need Him!  Do it today Dora!  TODAY is the day of salvation!!
  • ExcuseMeWhileIWhipThisOut
    Such fools you are.  You have the same opportunities as I have had and continue to have.   I used by brains and education to make something of myself.  You sat around and bitched and moaned. 
    I worked 80 hours a week keeping my gift store open because the strip mall where it was located regulated our open hours.
    You sat on your butts watching the time clock so you could go home.
    I took advantage of opportunities presented to me.
    You sat on your butts waiting for the rapture.
    Don't bitch and moan at me as the world passes you by.
    Now I have to go watch a glorious rainbow out my backdoor.

    I deeply resent your diatribe.
    Not the insults.
    Not the arrogance.
    Not the condescension.
    Not the holier-than-thou attitude.
    I object to your use of the word "Toodles".
    Is that supposed to be cool shorthand for "Toodeloo", which is from the French "tout de l'heure"?
    If you want to speak French, you maggot infested pseudo-hip melon head, then speak French.
    One more Toodles out of you and I'll knock you over that glorious rainbow outside your back door.
    Toodles, my ass.
  • Dora
    1)  the phrase is:  "I couldn't care less."  - an all to common error made by ignorant people.

    2)  late term abortions are legal in specific cases.  they are not done at the drop of a hat as you seem to think and as Bill O'Reilly has said.   I have addressed this issue in previous posts.

    3) Roe VS Wade is the LAW of the land.   You don't need/want/believe in abortion- then, by all means, never have one- especially you, Bubbles. 

    4)  for the umteenth time,  we do not make laws based upon any one religious belief.   Sorry Bubbles,  it's still true. 

    5)  If you had done any homework at all concerning our newest Supreme Court Justice to be-  you would not be making the absurd statements that you have made regarding reversals. 
    from the
    Brennan Center for Justice : "A team of Brennan Center attorneys and legal interns looked at every constitutional case decided by the Second Circuit during the decade of Judge Sotomayor's service - a total of 1194 in all. Using measures for testing judicial activism and deference developed by academics in recent years, the Center analyzed Judge Sotomayor's decisionmaking and compared her record to that of her colleagues on the Second Circuit. We looked at various measures of the relative deference or "activism" of a judge's action in a particular case:
    Based on exhaustive review, the conclusion is unmistakable: in constitutional cases, Judge Sotomayor is solidly in the mainstream of the Second Circuit. After we analyzed every constitutional case in the Second Circuit over the past decade, what was striking was the degree of unanimity and consensus on a court roughly evenly split between Democratic appointees and Republican appointees.

    Even given the often-noted collegiality of the Second Circuit, Judge Sotomayor has been in agreement with her colleagues more often than most - 94% of her constitutional decisions have been unanimous.

    She has voted with the majority in 98.2% of constitutional cases.

    When she has voted to hold a challenged governmental action unconstitutional, her decisions have been unanimous over 90% of the time.

    Republican appointees have agreed with her decision to hold a challenged governmental action unconstitutional in nearly 90% of cases.

    When she has voted to overrule a lower court or agency, her decisions have been unanimous over 93% of the time.

    Republican appointees have agreed with her decision to overrule a lower court decision in over 94% of cases.

    She overruled lower court and agency decisions at a rate that closely conforms to the circuit overall average.

    Our analysis shows that - far from casting her as an "outlier" - Judge Sotomayor's record is remarkably consistent with that of her colleagues. The analysis also refutes charges made since the day of her nomination that Judge Sotomayor is a "judicial activist." Any honest reading of the facts make it abundantly clear that Judge Sotomayor is a mainstream jurist. "

    you can sit and soak up Glenn Beck's impressions- follow Rush Limbaugh's version of the truth-  or you can go find someone who knows about that which they speak... start here:

    6)  As of today, only about 6% of the stimulus money has gone out.
    Jobs have been saved as well as created.   There is a website you feebles can go to read that will tell you where every dollar has gone and what is being done.   Do yourselves a big favor and look it up.  You and everyone else in the country knows that we didn't get into this mess overnight.  If the fixing was easy it would be already done.   You expect instant fixes along with your frozen ready made dinners and filtered news.  Sorry,   it does not work that way. 

    7)   Jackie,  you are a first class ignorant asshole.  You didn't like Obama from the start.  You refuse to even hear, read, or learn anything on your own.  Bubbles here is under some idiot impression that someone is going to take his gun.  Why?  Because he's an old paranoid S.O.B.  with a limited education and lack of interest to inform himself.   DS,  I have told you before-  your threats/warnings/thumpery has no effect.   Go sit in your basement and wait for the rapture- the rest of us have work to do.
  • JackieM
    Bud--you are right but I gave dora what she asked for so in turn she can address the issues that she has ignored.  if she is a mature adult and believes in her convictions, she will oblige.  if she doesn't then......................................!  we saw that simonesdad dug himself a hole that he couldn't get out of.  he had the nerve to bring up Christianity and attached his name to it but at the same time didn't believe what the Bible teaches.  so he was called out on it and he left at least for a while.  you know, i have always wondered how people could ignore someone who is lying on a sidewalk in desparate trouble or someone who is being raped right in front of them.  i never could figure it out until i started reading some posts from the left.  if issues don't affect them, they ignore them.  if people are suffering and are without jobs and can't feed their children due to obama's policies, they don't give a damn!  it is this self-centered attitude that has caused this mess in the first place.  that is why i challenge the left winged nuts to tell me how they are American and believe in the American values.  they can't defend themselves successfully!
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, even though you are right, don't forget who you are trying to give the facts to.  Dora's processing unit can't deal with facts!  If it isn't a lie or something to fit her twisted agenda, she can't see it... 

    Here's some facts to chew on Dora.

    1.  Any abortion is murder.  (My bible says it is, that's good enough for me.  I don't know if your's does or not.)
    2.  Homosexuality is not a way of life.  (My bible says it is a sin, I don't know what yours says.)
    3.  The LAW says "Marriage" is between one man and one woman.  (I don't know what the law says where you come from.)
    4.  The Second Amendment tells me it's okay if I have a gun to protect me and my family.  My state also tells me it's okay to carry it concealed if I have a permit.  (I don't know what your twisted state says.)

    Now, if any of these things offends you, then it's your problem - not mine.  Quit shoving you bullshit in my face because I could care less about you or your crap...  GOT IT?
  • JackieM
    dora--now that i've answered your question with facts, you can answer the subjects i've brought forth to you in the last week or so!  starting with late-term abortions is good!
  • JackieM
    Dora--are you joking?  her overturned case is the problem.  that shows what kind of judge she will be.   the firemen that took the test and followed procedures didn't get their promotions they deserved.  how fair it that?  how would you like it if you went all the way through college and was told you didn't get a degree because another group of people couldn't graduated with you because they didn't get the qualifying grade?  what is your problem with common sense?  you guys will do anything to ensure this country is destroyed.
  • Dora
    Prepare to be "pissed", Bubbles.
    It's a foregone conclusion.
    I hope that you are watching CSPAN  for complete coverage of simpletons like Sessions.  He was taken to school.

    For two consecutive days, the hearings were interrupted by the rantings of the fringies on the right.

    of course, there were "radical" statements made: "...no one is above the law," including presidents operating in times of national security crisis. "The president can't act in violation of the constitution," she said.
    woooooo!  pretty "radical"  stuff, eh Bubbles?  Imagine that.   So, what's your problem with this nomination?   Bring facts.
  • JackieM
    Bud--me too!  she is doing what obama did--telling people what they want to hear!  we know how that turned out!  they say she practiced all of her answers and is putting a spin on the controversies.  can we say lie?  that is what this administration does best so she is just another one of them unfortunately.  however, she will rule from the bench--how bad is that?  it is just as bad as putting an enept person to lead our country--obama.
  • MR. BUD
    Political Party
    Republican Party + Democrat Party

    If you look at the problem above in a mathmatical mode, there could possible be a number to work with.  But, since it is not a mathmatical problem, but a political one the answer is = WE, THE PEOPLE ARE SCREWED!

    If even one republican votes for Sotomeyor today, I WILL BE PISSED...
  • JackieM
    DS--yep, what a big surprise this is--not!  obama and congress will look out for themselves and people like amber and dora will continue to support this behavior!  the democrats refuse to solve the issues with healthcare.  a public plan is stupid but congress could enact laws that protect people and get costs down.  instead they just want to put a bandaid on the issue because it would take to much work and sacrifice for them to actually do it right.  in the meantime, it is an excuse for the democrats to raise taxes and put more people out of work.  small businesses will lay people off.  democrats will lie and deny this.  they are really wicked people.  this is a political stunt and unfortunately it will really hurt a lot of people.  the damn democrats may get what they asked for and when they realize they have been screwed over by their own party and the care they are receiving is lousy and people are dying as a result, it will be too late.  then they will whine to the republicans to do something about it!
  • JackieM
    Aliy--you are right on it as usual.  did you notice Dora didn't address any of the issues we brought in front of her?  she proved everything we have been saying!  I do blame her and those morons like her. 

    Amber--obama said unemployment would not go over 8.2%.  go back and listen to what this idiot said.  even biden, his clown for a sidekick, said they mis-read this.  give me a break.  why don't you start paying attention?  if we can't trust what obama says, he is not a leader.  well, he has lied so many times in his short time in office that his credibility has gone to hell!  this situation could have been lessened and jobs would have started to be created if he had done the right things in the first place.  so now small businesses will continue to suffer under this tyrant as we knew they would.    a lot of people who would like to start busineses will not due to obama's policies.  this is common sense and you know it!  so i'll let everyone that i know that is out of work that you are the reason they can't support their families.  i'm sure they will not consider you an American because you are the reason this country is being destroyed.
  • MR. BUD
    Good Morning all, (to include Dora, Amber and any other liberals that might be lurking on this site)

    I feel good this morning.  I feel like I have accomplished something in life.  I feel blessed and I have had a little luck along the way.  Guess what?  I don't have to tell you that I am WELL EDUCATED, or not...  I don't have to tell you about my sex preferences.  I don't have to tell you ANYTHING about me that would even indicate that I am above or better than you to get my good feeling.  Fact is, I don't care if you are educated or not.  I don't care if you are a homosexual or not - as long as you don't try to make me look bad or accept something I am not going to accept.

    No, unlike others on here that constantly try to put themselves above others, (by flaunting education or sexual orientation, or calling everyone names) or make others look bad in their eyes, I just feel good!  Matter of fact, I feel wonderful and I haven't tried to shove anything down your necks.

    I FEEL GOOD - End of post...
  • DS
    FINALLY...THE $50,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED !!!!!.....




    AND EVEN MORE GOOD NEWS:  Unions Exempt from Health Care Taxes

    Readers may recall how candidate Obama pounced on John McCain in the presidential election wrongly claiming he would tax health care benefits. Well guess what? Obama may soon be taxing health care benefits. But the bill Democrats are working on exempts Unions, whose health care plans are among the most generous of all (otherwise GM and Chrysler would still be making money).

  • Dora
    You people really need to get your act together before you take it on the road.

    First I was told that I was just another lazy liberal that spent my life living off of handouts from Uncle Sam,  told that I knew nothing about business or the running a business, that my college degrees were of no significance,  that I was the living example of the lazy liberal, and  that I was anti-American and should just leave the country.  I am  the cause of all of your misery in your mind.

    You cling to your misery and hate like nothing I have ever seen.  Your disdain for anyone and everything that does not meet your personal criteria for that which you have prescribed as an acceptable American continues unabated.

    You mention my "fantasy world" frequently yet you live every single day in imagined fear based upon compounded  ignorance and nothing more.

    At 27 years of age,  I applied for a job as marketing director for a particular company.  I was told that either I was lying on my resume' or I was a hell of a lot older than I stated because no one could have accomplished what I had done in that time.  Without even making an inquiry with my references given- I was denied the job.  Three years later I bought that company and promptly removed the gentleman who had no business in personnel recruitment with any company- most certainly not mine.

    You remind me of him.  You make snap bad judgments and irrational decisions based upon baseless or limited information.   I don't feel sorry for you.  You have chosen to stab others in the back with your knives and then complain that they got your knife dirty.   You proclaim your superiority over others yet you daily print here proof that, in fact,  you are woefully uneducated,  horribly prone to prejudice with regards to religion,  race, and political thought,  and dreadfully inexperienced with regards to interpersonal relations with actual life situations, preferring to address social issues in theory only.

    The fact that you are so narrow minded that you can see through a keyhole  with both eyes is not what you should be placing on your resume'.
  • amber
    hold on their Aily, we were told at the onset of this crises, before Obama was elected, that unemployment would hit double digits by the end of 09 With or wthout a bail out. Do you forget this?
  • Aliy
    Dora can call me any name she wants.

    Common sense: We were told if they passed the stimulus bill, unemployment wouldn't go over 8%, it's dangerously close to 10% now and by Obama's own economists predicitions will be over 13% by the end of summer. But he says it's working "exactly as planned" I'm really glad he planned to have over 10% of our country unemployed.

    Common sense: He created a web site to track the stimulus money, the thing has not worked ever. Now he wants another 18 MILLION to "fix" it. Not "build" not "maintain" just "fix" it. What business owner would pay 18 MILLION to FIX a web site the developer messed up to begin with!

    Common Sense: Liberals running around saying that the healthcare reform will "create" jobs. If they pass it, they will CUT 13 BILLION from medicare (which is suppose to just be extended for the rest of us) and we're going to loose 60% of nurses!!!!! That is NOT creating jobs.

    Common Sense: Sotoymayor yesterday said she "follows the law" when she was infront of the senate. However, she's sited many times saying she "MAKES" the law. ALL of her rulings that have made it to the supreme court on appeal have been over turned. So the way I see it, she really, really sucks at her job.

    Didn't she say the fire fighters who passed the promotion test had no rights to the test since no hispanics and blacks passed it? Well, they didn't nominate a generic white guy so she shouldn't get HER promotion either. That's using HER OWN RULING there. Common sense people.

    Common Sense: The first thing in the cap and trade bill would be to control emissions from cars, it's a form or Carbon isn't it? Yet, I've noticed there's nothing in there about carbon emmisions from cars. When you count how many cars are on the road, that's a LOT of pollution. But instead you want to tax a farmer when a cow farts?! Common sense people.

    I don't understand why this stuff that is SOOO simple to the rest of us is sooo complex to others. loosing 60% of nurses, is NOT creating jobs. I can't put it in any stupider terms for those of you who still don't get it.
  • Aliy
    And I have to ask, with this whole cap and trade, if you run your air, you're going to have to pay a pollution license and when you get close to the amount of carbon you paid for, you have to shut it off or pay a fine. Do YOU think walking around a gift shop where the air is set at 90 degrees to avoid a fine is comfortable?! That is what is going to happen, you're going to see business shut down the air, they are going to save on electricity by not turning on so many lights, you're going to see them close their door all together when they close to the fine.

    And another thing, Obama is talking about 13 BILLION in cuts to medicare to help offset the cost of his insurance reform. Did you know that's going to cost us 60% of home care help elderly people get?! Is THAT really a good level of service? Is that really how we want to insure people by cutting necessary things like nurses? THAT is what this bill is going to do to ALL of us if passed. You see how they are throwing the elderly in our society out in the street?! That is going to be US in a couple years. You're not going to get the service or medical attention you're going to need because Obama says it's too expensive and he's got other people who need help instead.

    But I'm sure Dora is well enough off to buy her own doctor so she could care less if elderly people have to die in their homes alone and rot on the floor until someone down the hall smells it!

    60% of home nurses out of work?! Wasn't this bill suppose to CREATE jobs? Putting 60% of home nurses out of work doesn't sound like creation to me.

    How about it Dora? Is loosing 60% of nurses the health care plan YOU want?
  • Aliy
    What opportunity is: Opportunity is the right to pursue something without infringment. Dora voted in the right for Obama to infringe on ALL the open opportunities out there.

    Capital Gains tax, gee, I don't earn that much on my investments but I have to pay some MORE of it to the governement now. If they tried to take a part of Dora's investment business dealings, she wouldn't have been happy, but they are taking MY MONEY now, so it's OK with her.

    The idea of employers HAVING to cover insurance for all employees, here is what is going to happen with that. You're going to see LESS EMPLOYEES. You know that mom and pop store you stop at to get bread and milk on the way home. They will be open 9-5 because they will get rid of all their employees and only keep the store open when they are there. You're going to see diminished service, diminished hours, less people getting hired. Dora is OK with that because she's done working HER 80 hours, it's OK to take that opportunity away from someone else.

    She supports Obama, he came out yesterday and said the stimulus is working "Exactly as Planned"!!!!! What the hell is THAT? HE PLANNED 10% unemployment and rising? He EXPECTED business to start closing doors faster than they did under the Bush administration?

    If THAT was his PLAN, we're SCREWED. But Dora supports his decision to bankrupt the country, she supports his decision to send the unemployement figures through the roof (it's not stopping at 10%, HIS economists are predicting over 13% by the end of summer!) She supports him taking all forms of opportunity away from everyone else. After all, she's got her house, she's got her money, she doesn't want the rest of us to have the same standard of living she does. She thinks she's a princess and we're all pesants. I blame her for taking my opportunity away. Directly blame her. Selfish, Selfish, Greedy, Greedy
  • JackieM
    dora--i know people who are in need of opportunities.  you are saying that you took advantage of opportunities that were persented to you.  so you are saying that everyone has been presented opportunities?  do you know everyone, dora?  do you know their circumstances, dora?  when you said you used your brains, i can honestly say that i believe you did.  you used the one in your head and the one in your ass!  when they communicate with each other, they become screwed up and compassion is lost!  you want people to have compassion for YOUR cause, but you refuse to have compassion for those who want to work, are looking for work, trying to work and can't!   hmmmmmmmmmmmm!  you will lose on this one; however, keep trying you fool!  i'll also tell the college kids that are graduating that they can't find work because dora thinks they should be able to open a business of their own and make their own way.  i will tell them to wave a magic wand and make their college loans disappear!  you are a fool, dora!  that is why you and obama get along just fine!
  • JackieM
    idiot dora--i know people right now who would start up businesses but can't because they are scared of what obama is going to do.  did you provide healthcare for all of your employees from day one?  if so, you are one of the few who could afford to take out of your startup costs to fund it.  if not, then under obama's proposal, you would be fined!  normally people who start up businesses can't afford extra costs and will not survive because of this and many other factors.  keep up your ignorance!  you liberals are not tolerant of folks who are different than you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  stop hating people, dora!
  • JackieM
    Dora--you are a total idiot!  there are people out here who are not capable of doing what you did.  i know folks who have disabilities--physical and mental that prevent them from obtaining more than an hourly job.  you are a moron and should be ashamed of yourself.  however, you are a liberal and so you have no shame.  you are a self-centered asshole=liberal/democrat!  i feel for folks who can't earn a living right now because there are no jobs!  keep on showing your stupidity!  80 hours a week is nothing compared to the hours a lot of folks put in so get over yourself!  keep living in your dream world!
  • DS
    Just a reminder to let you know that God created the rainbow "specifically" to remind us that He would NEVER destroy the earth again by water.  I thank Him for that promise every time that I see one!  That is just one small thing that he does toprove His love for us.  He loves yo Dora, and is waiting for you to respond to His call.  Come to Him today and let Him love you.  Today is the day of salvation Dora.  Don't wait.....
  • Dora
    Such fools you are.  You have the same opportunities as I have had and continue to have.   I used by brains and education to make something of myself.  You sat around and bitched and moaned. 
    I worked 80 hours a week keeping my gift store open because the strip mall where it was located regulated our open hours.
    You sat on your butts watching the time clock so you could go home.
    I took advantage of opportunities presented to me.
    You sat on your butts waiting for the rapture.
    Don't bitch and moan at me as the world passes you by.
    Now I have to go watch a glorious rainbow out my backdoor.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--i agree with you.  I hope they do investigate.  Pelosi is in this as much as the rest so if anyone in the Bush Administration did something wrong, she will/should go down as well.  it would be great to get rid of a small amount of the corruption that is in office now.  hopefully, that will be only the start of it and 2010 will get the house and senate cleaner and we will be rid of most of the fifth.  of course, we will still have the worst of the worst--obama and his cabinet. 

    I have said the same thing about dora before.  it is easy for her to criticize because she has had opportunities and is comfortable so apparently she sits on her protected throne and laughs at others' suffering.  she and others like her are sick!  i have also said that i hold her and the other idiots who voted for that SOB responsible for the repercussions of this administration.  she is ignorant and uneducated.  she once had the nerve to ask me just how obama is taking our freedoms away.  duh!  that is how stupid she is.   a long while ago i posted on the subject of obama screwing small businesses.  she came back with the rhetoric obama used during his campaign about what he was going to do for them.  of course, he never followed through with it and he never intended to.  however, even if he did, giving employers a $3,000 tax credit per employee they hire isn't going to help as you know.  i laughed at her stupidity.   she and others like her are what is wrong with this country.
  • Aliy
    I really hope Dora is correct and they ARE going to investigate Bush, after all Pelosi sat to the right side of the man for at least a couple years before he left office, now she's trying to distance herself. I don't think so. They investigate Bush and the administration in power for the last few years that INCLUDES Pelosi, you don't cut the head off the snake and expect the body to live. Go investigate then maybe we can get rid of that corrupt psycho in the house!

    Also, just a reminder, Dora had opportunity in her life and voted to take it all away from the rest of us. I blame her DIRECTLY for anything bad that will come to my finances, family and employment status form here on out.

    If she were one of those non-contributors I could understand why she doesn't want me to have anything but as some one who invested and played the free market for all it was worth, she's just greedy to vote to take the right to earn a living away from ME! Greedy Selfish Dora, How Dare You Take MY opportunity!

    I hold you personally responsible for everything that has and is going to happen. It's YOUR fault umemployment is at 9% it's YOUR fault schools are closing, it's YOUR fault my electric bill is going up, it's YOUR fault I can barely afford a tank of gas anymore. Greedy Selfish, ALL YOUR FAULT DORA!
  • JackieM
    DS--and dora calls us the problem?  as usual she is wrong!
  • DS
    This came from someone in Michigan.  They are having a lot of problems with militant Islamic groups there, and are trying to warn us all to wake-up and fight it before it's too late!  Here are some of the things they're seeing on Islamic websites and in books:

    Re: Aggressive, militant Islam on display in MI !!

       Well said.  I have read many books written by those of Middle Eastern origin.  Everyone one of them has brought to light the absolute horror of radical Islamic conditions in these countries.  ALL of them give warning to the Western World to wake up and put our foot down. 
       The "enablers" in America and Europe are more often than not educated white liberals who have, over the past 40 years, bashed to death their Judeo-Christian roots in the name of "liberation" from organized religion.  They've so successfully demonized the very religions that gave them the freedoms they so enjoy that they have turned on themselves eating away at their own flesh until there's nothing left but a submissive sheet of tissue paper blowing in the wind.  Their grounding is gone, their vision is obscured and distorted through years of self flagellation.  So they have no courage, nor convictions.  They're mush in your hands.  Perfect for any aggressive, militant take-over. 
      That's why you see such blind, dangerous complacency coming out of America and Europe.  They've become slaves to the 60's rhetoric--anything goes and everything's cool.  It's the ole wimp philosophy "I'll let you do what you want as long as you leave me alone."   
    But a bully doesn't stop if you show weakness.  How well we have learned that lesson over the years.
  • JackieM
    Pelosi is a very corrupt politican.  we have all seen this!
  • JackieM
    simonesdad--you are really a nut job! i only know of one person in my life that had an abortion and she was 16 years old.  she has suffered ever since with that decision.  we were the same age.  she knew then what i thought about it and i was disgusted at the thought.  i believe what the Bible says and i also believe in personal responsible and life.  just because killing is legal doesn't make it right and you know it.  it is easy to see why you are a liberal hiding in a church!  you never addressed late term abortions but i didn't think you would!  you would have to be really evil to condone killing a child inside the womb, especially in the last months.  however, liberals who claim to be Christians always skirt around the teachings of the Bible to suite their own agenda.  The supreme court has nothing to do with the Bible so get over it!  you can't weasel your way out of this one!  this is a black and white issue--you either believe in the Bible or you don't!  i don't personally care and you have said you don't by the beliefs you have shared.  it was your choice to share that you went to church.  i don't pretend to be someone i'm not and expect others to show the same respect to me.  that is called honesty!  liberals need to be educated on this concept, especially when they spew lies purposely!
  • simonesdad2009
    JaclieM, I guarantee you know someone who has had an abortion.  You also know someone who has paid for someone else to have an abortion.  They are people who are familiar to you and people you love and respect.  The decision they made at that time is between them and their God.  How dare I or anyone get between that. 

    But the abortion issue is not something I'm going to argue with you or anyone about.  It's pointless plus the Supreme Court has already had the final word on it.  I would encourage you to expend as much energy as you possibly can trying to overturn Roe v. Wade though.  I would also say to immediately point out for public ridicule any elected republican who doesn't agree 100% with your views on the topic.  Work like crazy to get them out of office.  After all you already know all Democrats are going to hell so let them burn.  Purify your own party at all costs.  But don't stop there.  Try to get the name and address of every republican who has ever had, paid for or preformed an abortion.  Round them up and detain them in "re-education" camps all around the country.  Try to get friends and family and neighbors to report anyone who is even thinking about getting an  abortion.  Round them up too.  Arrest, on site, every Democrat because we all believe in a woman's right to choose and God's judgment hasn't come fast enough or with enough vengance for your liking.  You can post your abortion police at polling sites and raid the DNC convention.  If you are not sure about how someone feels about abortion, pay an unannounced visit to their homes and question them until you get the answers you want.  Then finally, after you have eliminated all of the pro choice advocates, republican disodents and the participants in abortion related activities you can get started on converting people to your particular religion.  If you have any problems doing that, use all of the tactics you used to eliminate the heathen abortionists.  Repeat the process for homosexuals and so on.

    That should keep you busy for awhile.
  • Dora
    Holder is leaning towards investigating deeds regarding the Bush administration. 
    Cheney has been linked to telling the CIA not to disclose information to Congress (mandated by law)- you nut cases here automatically jumped all over Pelosi for her statements regarding being mislead by the CIA.  As usual,  you are so willing to believe the worst of people it clouds what small independent thoughts you may ever encounter.   I may be giving you too much credit for having any thoughts of your own.
  • JackieM
    anyone could do a better job than obama!  my two beagles are so much smarter!
  • MeanderingCloudsCoarsingWithSa
    Obama should replace Bernanke with Steven Wright, who is also clueless about the economy but would entertain Americans with wry witticisms as the United States circles the drain.

    Alternatively, Obama could replace Bernanke with Hugh Hefner, who is also clueless about the economy but would entertain Americans with busty nymphettes as the United States circles the drain.

    Ultimately, it won't matter because the structural deficit is now so debilitating that the credit market will inexorably inch towards paralysis irrespective of who heads the Fed.
  • JackieM
    simonesdad's comment--My attitude towards is abortion is simple.  If you are against them, don't have one.  Otherwise, mind your business and I'll mind mine. 
    This is not a Christian attitude and it is definitely not in the Bible.  As a matter of fact, this goes against everything Christianity is about!  We must help those who are in need.  babies who are being aborted are in need.  so according to simonesdad, we should turn our backs.  he has the attitude that it is ok if he doesn't see or know about it.  what about the late term abortions that are done that are medically unnecessary?  what about the abortions that are done and the mother's life is not in danger?  According to simonesdad, we should ignore the murder of an innocent child.  the late-term-abortion children would have lived outside the womb but democrats chose to kill it before it was delivered just so it wouldn't meet the "liberal/democrat's" definition of killing.  this is a way for liberal to live with him/herself.  it is a self-centered way of thinking.  that is why simonesdad is a liberal.  A true Christian believes in the Bible.  No one who voted for obama believes in the Bible.  Period!  of course, anyone who voted for obama lacks commone sense and has no morales, values or ethics!  as a friend of mine said yesterday, "I'm so proud to be a republican!"
  • JackieM
    Aliy's comment:  For the second straight month, voters are more likely to trust Republicans than democrats on the economy.

    who knew?  LOL!  we did!  i saw a clip of obama in his weekly address.  he said that his opponents haven't offered solutions......blah, blah, blah.  this is where the robots/liberals are getting their lies.  dora and simonesdad are some of obama's spokespeople.  they simply repeat what he says hoping people are dumb enough to take the bait.  there were some economists in obama's own administration telling him that his plan would not be the best one for our country and they told him that tax cuts were more effective.  now other economists and experts in the business world said the same thing.  in addition, republicans have said this time and time again!  they had an economic plan that was presented to the damn democrats that stated this.  their plan would have cost the taxpayers only about half of the cost of the democrat's plan.  now since we don't have any money, which plan should have been implemented--one that will be effective almost immediately or one that will not work and waste money?  of course, economics and history prove this also.  i even heard a democratic strategist on MSNBC saying tax cuts would have been more effective.  how much longer are people going to put up with this bullshit?  what more proof do the stupid left-winged nuts need?  I guess they want this country to have more people without jobs and homes along with more people unable to feed their families.  seeing children on the streets must appeal to them.  we don't have the money to build the amount of government housing it will take to house all of these folks.  oh yeah, i forgot the democrats will just borrow and tax more.  that is their solution.  they wouldn't want to actually fix anything.  the more poverty this nation endures, the happier the left will be!  apparently, as long as the idiots aren't hurting and everything in their small world is ok, no one else matters!  

    It was announced on MSNBC this morning that the proposed healthcare bill was full of pork projects, i.e., playgrounds for children, etc.  this bill should be strictly for lowering healthcare costs for everyone and providing insurance for all.  now i'm against the whole concept because i know it will be a disaster and we don't have the money.  the democrats refuse to correct the roots of the problem first as usual.  in addition, there won't be enough doctors and support staff on day one to handle the influx of folks and there will be long waiting lists for life-saving procedures.  people will die unnecessarily!  the democrats don't want to hear the truth!  they are in their own little make believe world as usual.  now democrats are stuffing this bill with junk to ensure they are re-elected.  they honestly don't give damn about solving any problem.  children don't need playgrounds to play chase in their own yards.  children don't need playgrounds to ride their bikes.  some of the neighborhoods i lived in as a kid didn't have sidewalks so my mother held my hand and walked with me.  duh!  novel idea!  give me a break!  besides, the reasons the democrats are using for loading this bill up with pork are bogus and an excuse to not hold parents responsible for their own children's welfare.  surprise, surprise.  they are using their same ole tactics and some of the the slow people are finally starting to see the light.  

    did anyone hear obama talking about how the more wealthy nations have a morale responsibility to help those countries that have less?  we have been doing this for years.  however, WE HAVE NO MONEY and a lot of people here in the US who are perfectly willing to work are in poverty because THERE ARE NO JOBS!  he just wants to see our nation continue to decline.  there is no other reason.  he doesn't have the right to say anything about people living in proverty and how we should help them when his own relatives in Africa are in poverty and live in shacks!  we know about his aunt!  where is his reponsibility?  ha!  what in the hell is that?  he is a hypocrit!  what a jerk!
  • DS
    So, did you watch the debate video I sent to you?  God loves you Dora, and wants you to love Him!  Accept Him today!!
  • DS
    I was out of town yesterday, so am just now able to respond.  How many times do I have to tell you that it DOESN'T matter what religion people say they are as far as being saved!  The ONLY thing that matters is whether they have "truly" repented for their sins, and "truly" accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior AND Lord.  So, yes, Mormons "can be" saved.  Gov. Huckabee is wrong on this.  Your own words have been judging you simonesdad.  You and Dora both have blasphemed God and rejected the truth of His word!  So it's not me who is judging you, it is God!  I don't know what your pastor preaches, but if he doesn't talk about abortion and gay marriage then he isn't interested in teaching the truth of God's word....plain and simple!  I would be running from that church as fast as possible simonesdad!!  Is he possibly just "tickling your ears"?  You know that Jesus said that would happen right?  There would be false teachers and wolves in sheep's clothing who would lead astray "the very elect" if possible.  Is it possible that is what has happened with you and your church?  Be very careful what you hear and choose to believe simonesdad!!  Jesus said that at the judgement there would be those who will say "Lord, Lord....I did miracles in your name and cast out demons in your name."  But Jesus will tell them to depart from Him because He didn't know them!  What a heavy statement huh?  You can sit in church your whole life and never hear the unadulterated word of God....and be lost!!  You will burn in hell alongside all of the other unbelievers.  As a matter of fact, you will have a special place in hell because you probably heard some truth and didn't respond to it.  You will be more accountable than some simonesdad.  Don't be fooled.  God is NOT a respector of persons!  He doesn't look at our skin color, our race, our welath, or our position in society!  He looks at our hearts, and what we did with the truth of Jesus!!  Who is Jesus to you simonesdad?
  • JackieM
    a while back i found an error in dora's post and i thought about pointing it out because she always points out my mistakes.  however, i remembered one of my parents' lessons in life.  they always said it was RUDE to correct other people's mistakes when the meaning was clear.  since i was obviously raised better than dora, i'll stick to my values and ignore hers and focus on more important issues affecting our country!  she is a typical liberal and doesn't give a damn about the plight of others!
  • Dora
    "you and people like you have problems with morales [sic] and values."

    you see?  some people are so damn ignorant that they refuse to learn anything.  

    Ever-ignorant Jackie and Aliy continue to use a word that does not exist. 

  • Aliy
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 30% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of –7 .
    The Rasmussen Consumer Index shows that consumer confidence is down again on Friday (july 10, 2023). That’s the sixth straight daily decline and confidence is now at the lowest level since mid-March. Just 8% rate the economy as good or excellent while 62% say it’s in poor shape.
    For the second straight month, voters are more likely to trust Republicans than democrats on the economy. Most Americans say the efforts of the G-8 leaders are not likely to help the economy.

    GW Bush approval on Rasmussen was as low as 33% Which translates into a -30. Obama will get there, he's at -7 and dropping a few points everyday. Keep extolling the divinity of your messiah the rest of the world knows the truth.
  • JackieM
    simonesdad2009--you are a sick person!  i don't like to see people who give a damn about this country get upset at seeing people suffer under your leader.  it is a shame!  believing in the Bible means you are against abortion so you wouldn't vote for someone who thinks the killing of babies is fine.  as a matter of fact, late term abortions were supported by one of obama's cabinet members and that is really disgusting.  these weren't abortions due to problems with the mother's health.  so you can ride the line all you want and make up excuses for why you voted for him.  that is your business.  however, obama is against Christian principals no matter how you slice it!  he can pretend to be a Christian but that doesn't make it so.  i believe in honesty and that is something that you guys skirt around.  we don't have the problem.  you and people like you have problems with morales and values.
  • simonesdad2009
    A minority is a minority as far as I'm concerned.  When the final shift happens, knock yourself out.  Maybe being on the other side of the equation will teach you a thing or two.

    I've never said I like to see people suffer.  I like watching you get all hot and bothered arguing your points.  The posts from that Young Republicans article have a remarkable resemblance to the posts on here.  Nobody's calling anyone a "coon" on here but the rest of the rhetoric is sooo familiar.

    My attitude towards is abortion is simple.  If you are against them, don't have one.  Otherwise, mind your business and I'll mind mine.  And for the record my church has been around since the 1860's.  It is filled with good and loving people of all races.  It has had the same pastor for 30 years.  He's a republican but I still love him (and he voted for Barack).  I don't have a clue what anyone's position is on abortion because it's not a topic discussed openly in our church.  It's an issue between you and your God, period.  Come spend a Sunday in my church before you dare pass judgment on it.  ALL are welcomed.

    Disparage me all you want.  My church is beyond reproach.  BTW, questioning people's religion or church or their religious voracity or their personal relationship with God is EXACTLY what is wrong with you guys.  Nobody who is on the fence wants to subject themselves to that for the sake of inclusion in a political party.  Your own ranks can't even live up to it.  Just like one of you cons said about those yelling about tolerance being the most intolerant, the same dynamic can be applied to the self proclaimed righteous falling on their hypocritical faces, right?

    And I said it before but it needs repeating, until or unless you understand that you have a problem with young people and people of color, you will not be a viable party (if you consider that statement me calling you racist then add ageist too).  None of your beliefs or principles will see the light of day.  You'll be a political AND social afterthought.  The good and able people among your ranks will become demoralized.  The extremists in your ranks will take over and further doom your fate.  People with impeccable character and unassailable morals will reject your radicalized movement.  Most of you will go down with the ship because you either fail to recognize or refuse to believe what is already staring you squarely in the face.

    When I started talking about Barack a year and half ago Democrats and Republicans were highly dismissive.  I remember Republicans openly hoping and wishing for an Obama nomination.  The idea at the time being that he would be easily defeated by anyone the Republicans put up there.  I knew this country was changing in mood and demographics.  I knew Barack would not fit into conventional election wisdom.  Hillary learned and then McCain learned. 

    As I've said, disagree with me, disparage me personally but listen to what I'm saying because it was true a year and half ago and it's truer today.  Time does not move backwards.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--glad you see it too!  obama talks a good game but doesn't walk the walk.  apparently liberals are willing to go along with this hypocrisy and ignore it just to say they won.  democrats are excuse makers and liars.  look at that idiot simonesdad.  he is stupid enough to throw out the lie that we don't have ideas when we all know that is just propaganda on the left.  the republicans came up with a stimulus package that would have been more effective and cost this country a lot less.  as a matter of fact, their plan would have created jobs in a matter of a few months and that is what we need.  there is no disputing this because plain ole economics and business practices prove this.  republicans have also had other plans and all were ignored by democrats and that is why we are in the mess we are in now with money being wasted with no results!  so the left-winged nuts are just blowing smoke again.  it is easy for simonesdad to lie because he belongs to a party that finds it acceptable.  then he has the nerve to discuss his church?  oh well, i've never spoken to a preacher yet that accepts lying as a norm.
  • Aliy

    If white people are going to be the minority in this country do WE fall under afirmative action? Do WE get hate crime protection? Do WE get extra scholarships and grants? Do WE get breaks on our taxes due to our ethnicity? After all, we ARE the minority and those laws were for "minorities" right? Each and everyone of them is written with the word "minority" in it. Or has Obama already changed that to read just certain races?
  • Aliy
    Jackie-- I get where you were coming from now. I guess I just never considered Obama the kind of person who actually thought anything of others except they are in his way! Kind of hard to picture him being all supportive and actually having an idol that's NOT staring him back in the mirror each morning.
  • Aliy
    Simonesdad, the first sentence of that last post:

    "Why do you insist I'm calling you or your racially insensitive party racists?" 

    Is in and of itself, Racist.

    And maybe I mis-spoke about the gay marriage. It's not that washington gives "rights" to marry. They are the ones who are denying "rights" to gay and lesbians right or am I compeltely missing the whole point of fighting for gay marraige? I thought it was so they would have the same "rights" as married couples, rights of adoption, filing taxes jointly, partners insurance, rights of property conveyance, etc. etc. etc.. Am I wrong? What exactly IS the fight about if that is wrong?

    And to be quite honest, you made my arguement for me in that "unless you have that little piece of paper from the city..." comment. If you want to have gay marriage recongnized, take the little piece of paper OUT of the picture. Make it ONLY a religious thing, if the pope says "you're husband and husband" then you get those rights because now it's not the governemnt (on any level) that has the right to say you're not.

    You're baptist minister is more than respected in performing marriages. Someone who gets ordained off the internet for $90 is more than respected as such. I am a catholic and if you are a catholic and you get married by an idiot with a $90 slip of paper, the church is not going to recognize that. I am under no obligation to say "I know I'm a catholic but that guy down at city hall has it all over my priest" Sorry, just my beliefe system.

    And you keep brining up Sanford. I've made my feelings very clear on him, strip him of his conservative card. ANY conservative that says one thing and does another doesn't deserve my vote. We ALL feel like that.

    And again, you're saying we're all racist because we don't believe Sotomayor would make an impartial judge!!! You can point to a bunch of hispanics and tell them YOU stood up for a hispanic. Just because you walk into the hood and say "my bother" doesn't make it so.

    I have a friend who happens to be black and he told me one day if one more white person came up to him and threw his arms around him going "We did it!" (as happened quite frequently after Obama won) he was going to punch them! Singling out a race for empathy or praise is just as much racist.
  • JackieM
    simonesdad2009--yeah and i guess the people that were screwed out of promotions because of that idiot judge will remember it too!  they are just regular working people trying to get promotions by following the rules and doing the right thing.  glad you are following your church's principles of caring for others.
  • JackieM
    simonesdad2009--you are a Baptist?  i'm sorry to tell you but abortion is not acceptable in your church unless you are in a church that is in disguise.  maybe it is a liberal church and they have made up their own rules.  i went to Baptist churches growing up in different towns for many, many years.  we moved around a lot because of my dad's job.  there was never a time a Baptist church was for abortion.  however, liberalism is screwing up everything else and may now it is in Baptist churches too.  this means God's words are not being taught in those situations.  that is a sad thing.  i am glad i wasn't exposed to that crap and was taught from the Bible.  according to your posts, you also enjoy watching people suffer as a result of obama's policies so is not having compassion for others in your church's teachings too or are you a on and off again kind of person?  don't answer that because i don't care to know.  by the way, republicans aren't robots like you are so we don't have to agree with everything in our party.  that is the beauty of it.  however, our core principals are always the same.  keep on talking and i'll keep laughing.  you are just making me more proud to be a conservative republican.
  • simonesdad2009
    On Sotmayor, you can believe whatever you want about her.  The bottom line is that she WILL be confirmed and every Democrat can go to Hispanic voters and point to HOW you guys fought her and how she ultimately prevailed because of our support.  In the same way you you kept reciting facts about what republicans did for civil rights and blacks, etc, we can do the same and it's fresh in people's minds.  It's tangible.  It's historic and a tremendous source of pride that hispanics and others can relate to TODAY.  All your side has is accusations of racism.  That's what will be remembered.  Contest her on her record and vigorously question her about race or whatever.  That's fair and your right.  At the end of the day you'll be on the wrong side history with this one and people will remember it.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--i know obama's aunt is here illegally and have discussed that with dora plenty of times before.  my point was that obama wrote about his aunt and how much she meant to him in one of his books.  a decent person would never stand by and let any relative live in poverty much less someone a person really cares about.  a normal person would know where his/her aunt was and know she was here illegally.  her legal status would never have expired before getting it renewed or whatever needed to happen if obama had been taking care of her as he should have.   he could have ensured the legal processes were followed but he chose to ignore her because she was not in his best interests at the time.  i guess when he talked about helping others, he meant everyone else in this country should help people but him.  he was excluded.  however, i really think he lied about not knowing anything about her since she contributed to his campaign and loved him dearly.  after all he is an attorney by trade (not that it has shown to mean much).  there is no excuse for his behavior and it shows who obama really is.  dora ignores these facts and continues to blow it off as meaningless just as any self-centered liberal would do.  if dora approves of obama living in the lap of luxury while his aunt that he cares deeply for lives in poverty off the government and is here illegally, it shows what kind of person she is.  liberals talk out of both sides of their mouths and don't truly give a damn about others.  they are the reason why this country is in trouble.  reading dora's posts prove this.  as long as she and her family aren't suffering, she doesn't give a damn about the suffering of others due to obama's policies.  apparently, she thinks it is not her problem.
  • simonesdad2009
    Why do you insist I'm calling you or your racially insensitive party racists?  Saying you guys have a problem is not calling you a racist.  Mark Sanford and John Ensign have problems with fidelity and morality but I'm not calling them pimps. 

    Here is a little article about the future, as in the Young Republicans organization, of you party.  Again I can't make this stuff up:


    As far as I know Washington doesn't give anyone rights to marry.  Every recognized gay marriage is because states or even individual municipalities grant them.  True, interracial marriages, which were illegal in my lifetime (I'm 42) were made legal by the Supreme Court.  That overturned laws in 13 states at the time so the majority of the country already recognized them.  So it will be a state by state march until there is critical mass.  It's a matter of when as opposed to if  at this point.  And Granny doesn't have to like or accept it.  People today, 42 years later, don't like interracial marriages but they are legal.

    Do you mean to say priest or clergy because I'd hate to think my Baptist minister of 30 years is not suitable to conduct weddings.  That aside, the reality is that marriage IS a function of the government.  The Pope himself can preside over your wedding held at the Vatican but without that little piece of paper from your city hall it is not legally recognized and you are not entitled to the rights/benefits that come with marriage.  It's a rights issue I believe as opposed to a lifestyle acceptance issue.

    Believe what I believe or burn in hell.  OK got it.  You are right though, I don't know what's in Mitt's heart.  Two things.  One, knowing what's in someone else's heart has NEVER stopped you and, two, Mitt is a Mormon.  Ask Mr. Huckabee, I assume a hero of yours, what he thinks of Mormons.  Ask him if Mormons can be saved.  When you get that answer, start bombarding Mitt's inbox with your fire and brimstone messages and report back to us.
  • Aliy
    And finally,

    You asked me what I'm doing for the civil rights of gays.

    I do support hate crimes acts. I think what you do behind your own closed doors is your business. But, the biggest thing I'm doing, is trying to explain to gay and lesbian people that they are going about their cause wrong.

    If you want to the same rights as married couples, TAKE THE POWER AWAY FROM WASHINGTON TO SAY YOU'RE MARRIED. Don't try to force a bunch of (what you and others including the president call) blue-haired, backward thinking people to accept your way of life. Start trying to take the power away from Washington. If you put it back soley in the hands of the church (and you can become an ordained minister online for $90) you can get married and Washington HAS to recognize it.

    The problem with gay people right now is that I don't think they really want "rights" I think they just want people that don't believe in their union to be FORCED to accept it. I think they want grandma to have to recognize it. It's not rights they are fighting for, it's forced acceptance. It's like I always say, the people screaming the loudest for tolerance are the most intolerant people you're going to meet.

    I'm Italian, my cousin decided to get married in a park. My aunt, mom and me all showed up, we carried lightening rods, and we STILL don't actually think they are married. When they come here to stay, we make them sleep in seperate rooms because the union was NOT official as far as we're concerned.

    A JP in a park isn't a marriage. A priest in a church is. So it's not just gay people's unions I'm not recognizing. I believe marriage is a religious thing. I believe only someone with what would be considered Papal authority, can marry people.

    So, in short, I'm trying to help gay people by directing them toward a way they can have what they want while I and others don't have to compromise what we feel are laws that come from a much higher authority.

    Is THAT ok or am I still a gay bashing racist?
  • DS
    I'm glad to see that you are still responding to my invitation for you to know God!  That shows that He is working on your heart, and He will not give up on you until you recognize Him!  Keep seeking Daora and you will find Him!  A reltaionship with the God of the universe is well worth it!!  By the way, check out this debate between your man (Michael Nudow) and a christian as to whether God exists or not.  I think you'll be surprised with all of the evidence that He does exist!!

  • Aliy
    Next: You said something about Sonia Sotomayor and how we call her racist:

    I think when you look at her record she has taken sides (and I call it taking sides because JUDGING should be impartial and she is NOT) with the minority JUST because they are a minority. Correct or not. This is why the current court overturned a LOT of her prior rulings.

    And don't get me wrong, I would expect a white judge to side with whoever is CORRECT. Not whomever is white. I just expect my judges to be impartial silly me. I guess that's just too much to ask today. 

    I don't feel she is impartial this based on statements she's made numorous times to rulings that are on the books to look at, the amount of them overturned by the supreme court because she was "biased" in her decision.

    There's LOTS of evidence that supports the fact that she's not an impartial judge. Even Obamas own admission he was looking for a SYMPATHETIC judge who would understand the plight of a poor mother, and other minorities. He SHOULD be looking for someone who will uphold the constitution, nothing more nothing less. 

    I know there are people who believe the consitution is an old document and it needs to be thrown out but, It's the basis of this country and it needs to be respected. I was just very upset to find the PRESIDENT is one of those people who thinks we need to throw it out. And he took an OATH to uphold it!!!

     They just overturned her New Haven fire fighter decision. Ginsberg wrote the dissent which said "the white guys don't have a RIGHT to a promotion" pretty much repeating what Sonia said when in fact the TEST THEY PASSED WAS FOR A PROMOTION. If they passed, they should have been given the promotion, no "right" about it, the EARNED IT. Which is the contention of the rest of the court.

    Let me ask you, when you were  in school and given a final exam, if the hispanic child who sits in class next to you didn't pass would YOU take an F too? If it happened to your child where they got, let's say 36 on the ACT (that's a perfect score by the way) and the black child who took the test on the same day got a 13 (pretty much an F) would you let them take away your childs score? That's effort your child put in would you want it diminished like that? Sonya says yes, because a minority didn't study, YOUR child suffers. Is that REALLY impartial?

    Racist has nothing to do with it. IMPARTIALITY DOES
  • Aliy

    First. I believe MOST Hispanics come from a background which is very stong catholic, which would have them agree wtih what I believe in. However, I think a lot of them are caught up in the idea that because more of them come here illgeally WE need to adapt to THEM and change our ways to suit them and that is WRONG.

    I believe the ones that came here legally ARE conservatives because it's stands for everything the USA represents, freedom, the right to earn your own living, the power to better yourself. These are all things the democrats don't believe in.

    You believe in the government telling people how much they can make, who else they HAVE to support, and basically taking ALL decision making out of people's hands and putting it on the government to make them. I don't think ANYONE who comes to this country LEGALLY for the opportunity we offer is going to side with a party who are trying to take away that opportunity.

    So, as for asians, every asian I know is a republican. Like, to the point they think I"M a liberal republican. I see no problem with them.
  • Aliy
    Amber, You're post 865-ish (because they don't always line up)

    I really don't know exactly what you're talking about. The only thing I can say about Lincoln is Obama is NO Lincoln. There's NO points of comparision to me at all.
  • Aliy

    You said:

       "I am quite set financially having made excellent investments,  an excellent business sense,  and never found it necessary to request assistance from Uncle Sam. "

    But with your vote for Obama you have effectivly taken those opportunities AWAY FROM ME! How DARE YOU!!

    You're just as greedy as the sons of bitches you rally against, YOU had the opportunity to make money, YOU had the opportunity to invest in a free market, YOU had to opportunity to open your own businesses without government coming in and telling you 1. what you're going to pay people,2, what you're going to offer them in benefits, and 3. over bearing you with taxes for the pollution your printing presses were adding to the environment but you will begrudge ME the opportunity to earn my own living?! Greedy, greedy selfish, how DARE YOU deny ME those rights!!

    You want to talk about double standard, what because you're old and you're going to pass soon you think no one else deserves an opportunity to earn a living?! How Dare you be so greedy.
  • Aliy
    Dora also says:

      you will find immigrants taking the citizenship tests will out-score 95%+  of Americans born and raised here.  

    I don't doubt this. There are a LOT of REALLY, REALLY stupid Americans who just don't understand history and since 95%+ of the test IS history..yeah, I can see how a bunch of frigin liberals could get out scored by someone who took the time to learn where and how we came from.

    Also, I would be HAPPY to shake those peoples hands, they did it right, they became a citizen, they took the test. They didn't hide behind a fake gay marriage and after 20 years try to claim they should just be let stay here. They made the effort, they took the steps, they're going to pay taxes. They'll work hard FOR this country. And they will join the conservative party, a majority of them anyway.
  • Aliy
    Droa says:

    Obama stated that he would not insert himself between the law and this relative.   Why?  Because Obama believes that we are a nation of laws that apply to all-  preferential treatment given to his 1/2 aunt would not be acceptable, legal,  or kosher.   Known Facts.  All on record.  Public record. 
    Consider the nitwit noise that would come from your little minds if he had, in fact,  jumped in and used his influence to alter the law???

    REAL FACT:  she's trying to play this semantic crap again. He didn't "insert" himself but had NO problem letting the AG say "what would it say about the president if we deported his AUNT?" so it really WAS his influence that kept her from being deported. She DID get preferential treatment because of who she is as Dora says ALL ON RECORD.
    Yet again, Dora ignores FACT and tries to twist everything to make her messiah look good. Not working, we all know what really happened.
  • Dora
    I'm not interested, Ds.  I have told you so endlessly.  Bubbles here likes to think that gays are somehow pushing their lifestyle in his face  by merely existing... but sees no connection here when you push your dogma constantly at others.   Constantly. Enjoy your religion all you wish.  DS,  I don't understand why it puts such fear in you to see that others get along just fine without it.    When I say I am an atheist it means I don't believe in god.  Obviously this means that I don't believe that non-existant things give birth to things - and certainly don't believe that  a virgin was impregnated magically by this non-existant thing you have decided is in charge of all things magic and otherwise.
    Even more curious is the oddity that you are more than willing to buy into the notion that your god is in charge and all things that happen are part of your god's plan.   Obviously,  with this in mind,  Obama is exactly where he is supposed to be (in the White House)   doing what your god has seen fit for him to do (guiding the land of the chosen people because your god is on our side as you and other thumpers proclaim )  so ... chill.   It is all as is should be.
  • DS
    I don't know how you can say thatabout Mitt.  Do you know his heart, and whether he believes or not?  I don't.  I definitely haven't heard him blaspheme God and reject Him as you, Dora, amber, and others on here have.  I have Jewish friends who are saved, and I know a lot of them who aren't.  I also know a lot of catholics who aren't saved, as wella s a lot of people who grew up in christian churches who aren't saved.  And yes, EVERYONE (no matter what religion they proclaim) who hasn't repented of their sins and accpeted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will unfortunately burn in hell.  That's not what I say, it's what God says!  So, as I told you before, TODAY is the day of salvation!  Repent and believe tonight simonesdad....before it is too late!!  Anymore questions?  I would be happy to discuss anything you want if you're really interested.
  • amber
    Aliy And Jackie-no offence intended here, but in reference to your argument (post844 Lincoln ECT)  if you dont understand why that is all but irrelevant, I wouldnt know where to begin a counter argument.
  • simonesdad2009
    JackieM, thank you for making my point for me once again.  Hey, you have a little foam there on the side of your mouth you might want to get.  Ha! Ha!

    aliy, I will stipulate that everything you say about what republicans have historically done for blacks (since you seem fixated on black people as opposed to people of color) as 100% true.  Your party is still under represented, you do not recruit in inner cities, your message is overwhelmingly rejected by people of color.  You have a problem.  You will need blacks and hispanics and asians to support you in significant numbers to beat the Democrats from now on.  Hispanics are the largest minority group in this country.  Hiring Alberto Gonzalez (for anything) and calling Sonia Sotomayor a racist won't get it done.  Clarence Thomas and Michael Steele won't get it done.  What you guys did to Colin Powell leading up to Iraq won't get it done.  You've got Ensign and Sanford out there but it's Powell you want to kick out of the party.  Brilliant!  You may have an impeccable HISTORY but it's TODAY you have problem with.  Why won't you concede that?  By 2042 (probably much sooner) it won't matter anyway unless your side makes fundamental changes in your approach.  This country is getting browner by the moment and it's scaring you to death I guess.  Why else would you actively ignore that reality.  How's that for a FACT?  As the champions of civil rights from yesteryear, what are you doing for the civil rights of gays?  Just curious. 

    And DS what is with the evangelizing?  What are you going to say when your boy Mitt steps up?  According to your rules he can't be saved.  What do you say to your Jewish friends?  Burn in hell?  Get out of my political party?
  • Dora
    One final note to the ever ignorant and uninformed Aliy:

    I took early retirement after 30 years as a business woman.  I owned and operated with great success: a publishing company, an  advertising agency, an  import/export business, a printing business,  retail gift store,  a newspaper,  and five restaurants.   I am a published artist and author of childrens books .   I am quite set financially having made excellent investments,  an excellent business sense,  and never found it necessary to request assistance from Uncle Sam.   I live in the mountains tending to our ranch,  our horses,  and our llamas.   The grandchildren visit frequently, loving every moment and the view that would make you drool.
    I don't give a damn that you have elected to remain as ignorant as you are.   You are in good company here.    Enjoy the slime.   If suits you.
  • Dora
    someone check the hi-fi,  the needle's stuck again and it keeps repeating ... repeating... repeating... same old crap. 
    Obama's  1/2 aunt was/is here illegally.  Known  Fact. 
    Obama addressed this situation fully and openly.  Known Fact.
    Obama stated that he would not insert himself between the law and this relative.   Why?  Because Obama believes that we are a nation of laws that apply to all-  preferential treatment given to his 1/2 aunt would not be acceptable, legal,  or kosher.   Known Facts.  All on record.  Public record. 
    Consider the nitwit noise that would come from your little minds if he had, in fact,  jumped in and used his influence to alter the law???
    Think.   Try it once in a while.  It does not hurt.  Really. 

    Stop the noise about how you conservatives are all about morals and values and all others- especially liberals- are not.   You just look stupid.

    Morals.   M O  R  A  L  S
    not morales...

    you know,  if you read-  you know, like books or  newspapers,   you can actually improve your understanding of English.  Until you can produce something that resembles  proper grammar and word usage-  don't post things about immigrants needing to learn English -  for your information,  you will find immigrants taking the citizenship tests will out-score 95%+  of Americans born and raised here.
  • aliy
    Jackie, I'm really dissapointed in you. You brought up Obama's aunt who's sucking off the tax payers but you forgot to mention she's ILLEGAL!!!!!! She's not JUST some poor old woman who's living off MY taxes, she's an ILLEGAL LIVING OFF MY TAXES,

    As for Dora, she's so far off in la la land with her perfect little gay marriage, her ideal world where they slaughter all the babies they don't consider "perfect", and where I can work to support HER. She doesn't care if she waits in line for 4 hours to see a doctor because she's not working so she's got nothing better to do anway, Obama's going to pay HER electric bill so what does she care if everyone elses bills are too expensive to pay.....La la la la la la Liberals Perfect World.

    I'm done with Simonesdad too, I just give up, How many examples of history do you have to give these people? They still just ignore everything valid we say.

    Another little fact about history. They call conservatives "war mongering"  I bring to your attention:

    WWI: President Wilson (d)
    WWII: Truman (d) and Roosevelt (d)
    Korean War: Truman (d)
    Vietnam we split pretty even, a republican started it, two democrats couldn't control it and finally a republican shut it down.

    If ANY party is war mongering it's the democrats!!! Get your frigin history straight before you come telling me "historicly you're party is racist" NO, WE are not, YOU are.; Your party fought EVERY civil rights bill republicans passed. Make sure your history is correct before quoting it.

    Ignorance is bliss for YOU, for other people it just pisses them off!

    Hey DS--What ARE these liberals going to do when we all disappear one day? (Rapture) According to the Prophacy of St. Malachy the next Pope will see the end of the world. They need to lock up Pope Benedict in a glass box and keep him safe under the vatican.
  • aliy
    Simonesdad you said:

    You do have a problem with people of color whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.  The numbers back me up.  And since every problem I point out is refuted with insults and banishment to hell

    What I did was give you MANY examples of how you fail to study your history. MANY examples of what party actaully has done something for civil rights. Yet, you ignore it because you only want to believe we're attacking you. I guess we are attacking you, with FACT. You just can't handle it.
    I notice you're very quick to say "i'm totally respectful, but you have problems with black people" but you never bothered commenting on the facts that it's been the conservatives that have made the only leaps and bounds on the racial barrier issue. Also, the only party with Klan members in it is the democrat party. I notice you're really quite on that one. Why? Don't you have anything to say about the FACTS?
  • JackieM
    oh i agree with dora that people are hypocrites.  a perfect example is obama saying we all need to sacrifice but it is obvious by his extravagent spending on himself that he doesn't believe it should affect him.  of course, we could talk about obama's elderly poor aunt that lives in government housing.  he spoke highly of her in one of his books and yet he decided to let her suffer in poverty.  way to go obama!  you are a wonderful person who sets a great example--not!  he loves to tell people to help others but..........................  yeah, dora, clean your own party up before spewing your hatred.  we are quick to criticize people on either side for not doing what is right for this country.  you guys want to continue to support a dishonest hypocrite and will fight for him despite his failures.  keep it up!
  • Dora
    Juan Evo Morales Ayma (born October 26, 2022 in Orinoca, Oruro)
    President of Bolivia.
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    Erik Isaac Morales Elvira.  ... WBC lightweight title
    Morals: principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct.

    how hard is it to teach yourself something? 

    the ignorance here is just too much.

    simonesdad-  I think it best to let these fools sit in their own stink and foul language.  you tried to converse with logic and reason- their response was to call you names- it's what they do when they panic, realizing that they have nothing.

    They are having a bad month:

    their ruby-slippered heroine just demonstrated that she could not even take the pressures and responsibilities of governing a state smaller in population than that of many US medium sized cities but are utterly convinced that she is "the one" who will lead them to victory in 2012.  nice morals she has.  great values.

    one of their future hopes ran off to Argentina to his mistress- abdicating his state office for 5  days after having lied to his family, staff, and the people of his state.  nice morals,  great values. 

    another of their future hopes for a presidential run took up with his staff member and family friend's wife.  today he was found to have paid off (read bribe) the family with a "gift" of $100,000.   nice morals,  great values. 

    they hold up the Newt as another great hope-  a man who cheated on his own wife as he kept a straight face promising a "contract with America"  and insisted that Clinton resign because of his affair.  nice morals,  great values. 

    of course there is always Mittens Romney who put a dog on the top of his car in an unprotected kennel for a 12-hour car ride... a man who makes his money by buying up mom and pop business,  consolidation,  outsources jobs,  or dismantles corporations, fires the employees and rehires them at a lesser rate of pay.  a man who said his boys weren't going to serve in the military-  they were already serving the government by helping him get elected.   nice morals,  great values. 

    oh yes,  these people here  really know all about the "right kind of people" and sing their praises daily.  how silly and how sad but not surprising given their level of utter ignorance and limited education.
  • JackieM
    simonesdad2009--you are definitely a fool.  why don't you specifically answer our complaints about your party?  we cater to people who have morales and values and my AA friends are republicans.  what do you have to say for them?  they are well respected members of society and are great Americans!  you further prove your ignorance since you don't know who my relatives are or what color their skin is.  i protest against what is wrong period.  you are a sick piece of shit!  who in the  hell would get pleasure out of watching people who are protesting the suffering of people who can't feed their families or find jobs and who are losing their homes as a direct result of obama's policies?  you are mentality ill!  YOU are a perfect example of what is wrong with America!
  • DS
    I would just like to remind you that ignoring your message doesn't compare one iota to the peril you are about to be in for ignoring God's message of love and hope to you!!  Ultimately, I don't care who is in control of our government.  Why?  Because I know the ONE who is in control of ALL things!!  Enjoy your tiny little bit of power now!  That short time will be like a breath compared to eternity separated from God!!  I don't worry about what man can do to me simonesdad, amber, and Dora!!  I worry about what God can do!  I love Him, and I submit my authority to Him.  You should too....before it's too late!!  Repent of your sins, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved!!  Do it today!!!
  • simonesdad2009
    Who is calling you guys racists, Jackie?  To quote Shakespeare, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."  If you are implying it's me, I would direct you to comment #825 where I specifically say I don't believe you guys to be racists.  Unaware, insensitive, yes.  Racists, no.  You do have a problem with people of color whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.  The numbers back me up.  And since every problem I point out is refuted with insults and banishment to hell, I'll leave you to your own devices.  No name calling from this end and the lies I'm supposedly spreading are what?  Your message IS resonating with the majority of the American people?  You DO have enough non-white/male/christian votes to ever be viable again? 

    Beyond that, my criticism is respectful.  You may not agree with it but show me an ounce of disrespect directed at anyone here.  Yes, I'm taunting you a little and you guys have no clue how to respond beyond name calling.  But the frenzied, vitriolic responses simply amplify a growing desperation on your side.  Your movement is as dead as this blog.  Who do you think is reading this?  Who comes to this page for the very first time, sees the most recent post is a month and half old, sees 850 + comments to a Bernanke story and thinks this is relevant? I'm here because I get a perverse thrill watching conservatives foam at the mouth with rage.  And, bless your hearts, you guys never disappoint.  Your problem is that you are in such a hurry to get your 1990 talking points out and hurl insults, that you don't listen.  This is all I'm saying for the last time and as plainly as I can: You don't have grassroots and that is your fatal flaw.  If you don't court minority voters you will be obsolete in this lifetime.  Ignore my message at your own peril.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--yes, i saw your comment about civil rights and I thought people knew this.  i guess i was wrong again!  LOL!  the liberals are just as stupid as i give them credit for being. 

    I would love to know where dora gets her false information.  it would be nice to see how they brainwash people who "say" they are educated.  obama didn't do much while he was in the senate and that was proven during the debates last fall.    

    ACORN is in bed with washington.  since the left is in charge, they should be the ones to do the right thing and ensure they are not given any more of our money.  LOL!  we know the left won't do this.  they are are corrupt and i blame their supporters.  anyone who would call themselves religious and vote for this SOB is lying unless they worship the devil!  the ones who aren't religious are sorry excuses for human beings.  i have found that if we confront democrats/liberals with the truth and back what we say up with facts, the damn idiots still refuse to believe it.  they refuse to believe the truth even when obama tells them his agenda.  so even when it comes from the horse's mouth, they ignore it.  so that is why i'm so hard on them.  they are evil people with no morales, ethics or values.  we need to hold them accountable for their decision to vote someone into office that is destroying our ability to support our families and way of life.  i laugh when the say we all need to work together as Americans.  they are lying and the stunts the democrats are pulling in congress and the senate where they are not "reaching across the isle" and are ignoring republican ideas, which there are many, is just proof of who they are.  the democrats have said they are trying to pass bills by writing them behind closed doors and presenting them for voting so that no one has the time to read them.  how in the hell could amber or that other idiot on this site have the nerve to want to be a part of a party that would do this?  the answer is because they are not Americans, and they are rotten excuses for humans.
  • Aliy
    So Barney Frank now wants to give the money we're making off the stimulus to ACORN!!

    1. There IS no money coming in off the stimulus, it was a failure, there's no guarantee we will ever see a dime from it, and he's trying to spend money that's not there!!!

    2. Some one should tell this asshole we don't want an an orginization who's got 14 branches nationally under indictment for voter fraud getting a DIME!

    Let's repeat that, INDICTMENT not Investigation, INDICTMENT like a grand jury decided there's enough evidence to move forward with criminal charges!!!

    This is an example of how brazen Washington has gotten lately (before you liberal start screaming foul, it IS both parties). There is NO doing what's right for the county plain and simple ALL these people forgot who put them there and why they are there to begin with, they are suppose to represent the PEOPLE. Not special interests. Acorn is a special interest like it not liberals. 

    Barney Frank see what Acorn did for Obama (faking votes, raising funds with strong arm tactics, standing outside voting booths with bats) and he is trying to align himself with them!!! HOW is that helping America? It's not, it's Barney Frank brazenly going after what he wants and damn the rest of us!

    I think this stuff is obvious but there are STILL people who just don't follow logic on some of this stuff. You can't tell me with 14 branches under indictment you think Acorn is a good company!!!

    1 employee under indictment maybe I would say rogue employee, 14 BRANCHES and you're talking BAD BAD management all the way to the top and Barney Frank wants to give them MORE tax dollars??

    I would LOVE to hear a liberal try to defend THAT because I just can't, for the life of me, understand how ANYONE can support that idea.
  • Aliy
    Jackie-Thank you.

    Did you notice the list of civil rights that were spear headed by Republicans above too?

    I was thinking more on that comment Dora made about how Obama sponsored or wrote 1080 some odd bills since 04. The house only votes on 100+/- per year, there's no physical way he could have written over a thousand of them in under 4 years.

    I also had this whole brain storm about Gitmot today. It appears they are trying to pass a law that our soldiers have to read miranda to terrorist suspects on the battle field. Wasn't the whole purpose of closing Gitmo becuase they had protection under Geneva? If we are reading them their rights isn't that putting them under OUR law? Which totally negates the argument of closing gitmo, just mirandise each of them and we can hold them until they get a court date!

    And there is a new strong arm coming from Palo Alto today (I think you're out in CA so I thought I'd let you know) one of your reps is writing letters pretty much telling other democrats they need to start calling out the CIA as liars and start telling everyone they've been lying since 2001. This is ONLY to protect Nancy Pelosi. I don't remember the Lying outrage when Valarie Palome was outed, do you? But because it backs up Pelosi it's OK now to say they've been lying to everyone since 01?!

    And liberal radio today is trying to connect the dots between Michael Jackson and Sarah Palin. They are saying "just putting it out there, but it is strange he passes away and she resigns.....Just putting it out there though" Seriously?! And they talk about CONSERVATIVES being the ones who talk conspiracy!

    And the new one. Obama knows conservatives will not attack his children (so conservatives, don't attack children, K?) Anway, his daughter was wearing not 1 but 2 shirts yesterday at the G8 with peace signs on them. This is the EXACT sign PROTESTORS are wearing outside the summit!!! Now, I don't think his 11 year old has the presence of mind to make a political statement, so it's either one of the parents or an advisor telling this child to make the statements FOR her father. It's trying to bait conservatives into attacking a child! Sneaky bastards. Won't be stooping to their level though, will we?

    I know someone is going to come on and say "it's fashion" if she wore it to school, that's one thing, to wear it to a G8 summit where all the protestors outside are carrying it on signs, inappropriate!!! If Sarah Palin had put a picture of John Mccain on her babies bib that would have caused a melt down on the left but this is OK.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--great posts!  you would think amber and the other guy would understand these things already unless they are living under a rock!  LOL!  i can't for the life of me figure out why this isn't just common sense!  i'm sure you noticed that the person who continues with the "we are racists" rant is only doing what liberals do best--spreading lies.  they are simply robots.  it is just another tactic to get the ignorant that may be reading this site to believe garbage.  the left stoops lower and lower everyday!
  • Aliy
    I know that kind of got off topic at the end. But the point is that the government has all these great ideas to "help" us and all they do is hurt in the long run.

    Minimum wage goes up, so does the cost of everything. You set a maximum wage, no one is going to invest money into something they are not going to recoup or profit off of. Unintended consequences.

    I certainly hope this answers the question  of maximum wage for you. If you have any further questions or comments, you know how to find me.
  • Aliy
    And the one no one wants to talk about: BANKS

    Let's say the president of Wachovia makes $30 million a year. Did he sign off on over a billion in loans? Did he control over 10,000 branches nationwide? Did he not control over 50,000 employees nationwide? If you break 30 million down even by just the 50,000 employees he was in charge of he was only making $600 per person who worked directly under him and who he was responsibile for. Do YOU think that sounds like a lot? Now, keep in mind, that's $600 per YEAR to be directly responsible for them. 

    The problem here (and yes, I'm fully aware it started with Bush and I was against it when he did it too) was that instead of saying "you know what AIG, instead of us giving you money, you need to file bankruptcy, sell your loans to other institutions, fire the WHOLE lot of people who were in charge, give the whole company an enema (flush it all out) and start over" Instead we said "Ok, here's a gazillion dollars, why not pay yourself a bonus!"

    If we had LET these companies fail they would have had a reason to fire the people who messed it up in the first place. I think big business (that get a bail out)  and government are the only two places you can REALLY F up and keep your job.

    They were NOT too big to fail. SOMEONE would have absorbed the debt. Like bank A buys 3 loans, bank B buys 9 loans before you know it AIG has solved their problems and other guys are now growing THEIR banks. The problem with that is AIG would have to let another private company actually GROW to a point where they might be able to compete.

    That is what the bail outs were. It was big industry who had our leaders (and don't forget Obama signed these things too, AIG's 2nd bail out, GM, and Now citi) in their pockets who just didn't want to give the competition any chance to grow.

    I am in real estate, I work as an appraiser, virtual tour photographer, and I do property management and leasing. I could go on and on and on about what has happened to MY industries because of what the government did to "fix" it this time. But I will only give you one example:

    The new law is that appraisers can't have direct contact with brokers or banks (this will stop the pressure appraisers were under to get a certain value) of course, now they created a non-regulated industry that will act as our go between. NON REGULATED. As in don't know our laws and regulation and don't particually care because if anyone's going to loose a license, it's not going to be them, after all, they HAVE no licenses!

    At least when a broker was pressuring me I could report them to someone, now it's a non-regulated management company THERE IS NO ONE TO REPORT THEM TOO!!! Thanks Obama and his crack pot team!

    These companies are trying to make us do things they way they like it and a lot of time, it's not inline with our bilaws and regulations. Stuff that they just want it their way and we KNOW it could get us dragged into court!

    All they did by trying to fix it was deregulate a major player in the process and now it's 10 times worse for us to do our jobs.

    That is again, an unintended consequence.
  • Aliy
    Now let's look at another example:

    A doctor charging upward of $150 for an office visit. Do you HAVE any idea what expenses they have to cover? They have the office, the electric (oh, there's something ELSE that's going to go up becuase of cap and trade) the help, the equipment, then let's put malpractice insurance on top of it. For 1 hour of a doctors time he might be spending $1,000 and then you wonder why it cost so much.

    Now let's look at what Obama is preposing and what's REALLY going to happen:

    The doctor. With the government plan they are going to come along and say "we're paying you $50 per person you see and you can't turn anyone away" so now their offices are going to be full of $50 per person clients and to offset that $1000 they need to break even in an hour they have to rush everyone in and out without taking the time to actually get to know what's wrong. And that $1000 (thanks to the governement forcing them to carry insurance on all employees and cap and trade sending the electric cost off the charts) is going to go up which means evern MORE people are going to hearded through like cows!
  • Aliy
    Sometimes you would think people making a ton of money like that are greedy. Sometimes, it's not greed but what they have to do to cover expenses.

    Like, let's take GM or FORD or any of those companies. The unions now have it so that they guy watching the screw machine makes upward of $25 an hour, they have to pay for insurance and he gets profit sharing, AND a retirement fund. That is ALL employees from the guy risking his fingers to the girl that answers the phones. That is NOT cheap. Then someone comes up with new technology like an air bag, the governement comes along and says "you HAVE to offer THAT too" and the cost of putting those in gets passed on to the consumer. It's not cheap to run a company.

    Now let's take, (just for fun) what Obama and congress want to do with all these people.

    GM and FORD, they are having to offer $4000 for anyone who upgrades their fuel efficiency by 1 mpg, no one is paying THEM back the $4000, the governement is just demanding they take $4000 off the cost of a new car!!! What do you think is going to happen next? Common sense, they are going to raise the price on the car by.....OMG, $4000 so they don't loose any money, who's paying that? US the consumer. Obama's policy just actually COST me $4000
  • Aliy
    Amber--Maximum Wage. Or even cap on what companies can make as a whole. This is going to take a couple posts so bear with me.

    Here are the unintended consequences of doing something like that. I own a pharmacutical company, I've spent over $9 BILLION dollars working on a cure for cancer. I find it one day. Now you're going to come along and tell me I can't recoup my reseach and develepment money? Why, if I am NEVER going to recoup my investment, would I make the investment in the first place?

    You don't see big time cures coming from socialized medicine countries, you know why? It's not worth investing the money in a market that's not going to let you even break even.
  • Aliy
    Simonesdad, you said:

    Who exactly are "they" and isn't it our country collectively?  So now you are judging or passing judgment on the "fabric" of a whole group of people you don't know and never met? 

    Let's get one thing straight, you're a blithering idiot. You're not making any sense here. I told you I judge everyone by the fabric of who they are and what they do. Not a"whole grouple of people" INDIVIDUALLY you dolt. I don't think Obama has the right stuff to do the right thing with this country. As evidence from his recent actions.

    1. He's passing a bill he himself said would cause utility costs for the average American to "skyrocket" (cap and trade) but he's cool with that.

    2. He's gone to Russia and promised them to stop helping Europe build a missle defernse system to protect them from Iran (kind of sounds like he WANTS to see Europe get bombed huh?) But he's cool with that.

    3. He's running around the world telling them what an arrogant pussy I am, and I don't care if I like him or not, I wouldn't go abroad and speak ill of the man, but he's cool with insulting me like that.

    4. His stimulus failed. He can't find the money, it didn't help, unemployment is still rising and he's sitting there going "It's all Bushes fault" no, it's NOT Bushes fault anymore. We passed YOUR solution, if YOUR solution fails, you can't blame the guy before you. We gave you your solution, we went along with your Fix. It failed, admit it failed and take the blame for YOUR actions. You can only ride the "it's not MY fault" train for so long before you have to take some responsibility for your own actions. What was it he said in the campagin, "the era of accountability" apparently EVERYONE in the country has accountability for everything but he's exempt from that?

    5. He's been telling Isreal (our BIGGEST ally and the ONLY existing democracy in the area) to GIVE UP LAND to the Palastine!!! What the hell is he thinking. Everytime Isreal sticks out it's hand in a peace offering Palastine bombs the every loving shit out of them, as evident from over 60 years of history Obama apparently didn't bother to read.

    6. Some of the more radical liberals are sliding things into bills at 3am before the vote and NOT letting people read the revisions before they vote on them. Like did you know at 3am before the vote on cap and trade they slipped in a provision which no one was allowed to see before they voted that you're not going to be able to sell your house until it's completely retrofitted for "green" standards? LOW estimated cost for a 1500 sf home build last year or before, $78,000!!!! In THIS market they are cool with making you spend almost $100,000 dollars to upgrade a home you're not even going to get a fair value on to being with?! But they are cool with that.

    Do I REALLY have to go on?

    You can scream I have a "problem with groups as a whole" but the fact of the matter is I take everyone individually and base my opinion of who they are, on what they show me. You can't smack me in the face and tell me you're not violent. It doesn't work that way.
  • Aliy

    You still want to insist that conservatives have a problem with blacks. I offer to you the following:

    "(Republican party started as) the Anti-Slavery Party, the party responsible for: the 13th (abolished slavery), 14th (gave former slaves full citizenship rights), the 15th Amendment (gave slaves voting rights), the Civil Rights Act of 1871(protecting southern blacks from the Ku Klux Klan), the Reconstruction Acts, and the 1866, 1875, 1957, 1960, and 1964 Civil Rights Acts.

    And no, yesterday’s southern Democrats are NOT today’s Republicans!  If so, former Klansman, Sen. Robert Byrd—the highest ranking senate Democrat and President Pro-Tempore of the Senate—apparently didn’t get the memo and forgot to switch parties."

    All of this is true. Go look it up. Go see who's got Klan memeber elected to high power offices, go look up who was really in power and who really voted yes for these major civil right acheivements.

    this was written by an EXTREMELY intelligent young black man who has been completly ostersized by his peers because he didn't vote Obama. I ask you now, Who's got the problem? Those screaming the loudest for tolerance are going to be the most intolerant people you'll meet.
  • DS
    The difference is that I'm forgiven.......and you're not.  You NEED God's forgiveness, and I have given you the keys to the kingdom.  Now, what are you going to do with them?  What are you going to do with Jesus?  Are you going to embrace Him and accept Him as your Lord and Savior, or are you going to reject Him?  That is all that God wants to know.....plain and simple!  I have embraced Him!  What will you do simonesdad?  Repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Loard and Savior and you WILL BE saved!!  Do it today as you don't know how long you have to decide.  None of us know the day and the hour that He will come for us!!  Don't put it off.  TODAY is the day of salvation!!
  • JackieM
    Amber--i am not sure what you mean but everyone's salary should be based on what the market will bare.  that is called a free market economy.  in an obama's world, he wants power and to decide everything for everyone. 

    Keith O. and Maddow are soooo much worse.  Brian was trying to be funny and no more.  who cares!
  • amber
    My question is; how about a maximum wage? I know it will never happen just wondering about your thoughts on the matter.
    simonedad- i saw that video clip it's very disturbing that fox news would see fit to put it on the air.
  • JackieM
    amber--the only reason we won't have an economic boom in the next ten years is because of the decisions made by obama.   spending money we don't have and continuing to create new programs and refusing to cut a sustantial amount of old ones is a problem.   in addition, he has the nerve to want to even mention increasing taxes on folks just to meet his unnecessary spending habits.  of course, being more dependent on China weakens our national defense.  i hold anyone who voted for that SOB responsible for his actions since he has been in office.  of course, i also hold him responsible for voting for the Tarp, which i was against.
  • JackieM
    simonesdad2009--you are an idiot!  i just call a spade a spade! 

    obama is ensuring our economy is going to continue to falter directly due to his bad policies.  it is that simple!  that is something i can't make up the proof is there for everyone to see.  so continue to be proud of ruining this country and i'll continue to call you an idiot and UnAmerican!  i have ideas and have expressed them time and time again here so i won't go into them again.  you are a liberal and will continue to lie because you think someone will actually believe you.  only the fools on the left will.  i would be ashamed of myself if all i thought about was that my side won.  i am worried about this country because i care about it and its people.  it is obvious you are too stupid to understand why obama's policies are not working or you have the same agenda to destroy this country as he does!
  • amber
    I think the days of economic growth like we had in the 90s are over, and whoever is  government is going to come up against this wall. Now I am just testing the waters here , a hypothetical, how about a maximum wage, say 30 million a year.
  • simonesdad2009
    JackieM, it's the name calling that gives you away.  That's what people resort to when they don't have ideas.

    DS, you're a sinner just like all the rest of us.  And for the record,  a rhetorical question means you don't have to answer anything.

    I'm not here to do battle with anyone.  I did all of that leading up to the election and my side won.  I'm telling you simply and plainly, without fire and brimstone and without cheap insults that you have two big problems.  One, your message does not resonate beyond a narrow strip of Americans and two, you have a problem with exclusionary rhetoric, perception and practice.  To both of those points here is a clip from Fox News TODAY to summarize what I'm saying.  I can't make this stuff up.

  • JackieM
    Don Sheble--i say impeach/throw out obama and his cronies.  in addition, we need to throw out any democrat hiding under the name of a republican.
  • Don Sheble
    I'm tired of paying the price for others mistakes. When will the tax & spenders learn? I say eliminate the Fed.
  • DS
    You are so funny!  I've answered all of your dumb comments in the past, and you still think you can throw out the same old garbaage and expect us to answer it?  LOL   Here are the only answers you (and any other liberal) need...

    1) obama won strictly on an "anti-Bush" platform....no more, no less!  Well, it may have been a little more....like promising everything that he knew he wouldn't be able to provide!  So, I hate to burst your bubble, but when his policies do not work (and they won't!), we will be able to run on the "anti-obama" platform, and it will work because of all of the "sheeple" in this country who don't want to think, don't know how to think, and just look at what the previous president's policies did for them!  So when our economy gets worse, when we are attacked again by terrorists, and when unemployment continues to rise, the sheeple will finally see the error of their ways and vote for "change" again!  This has happened over and over again and you know it!  This is how our system works!  And, the other thing that is happening which will bring change is that christians are praying hard for our country simonesdad!!  I know this is something that you don't care about, but you don't even realize the power there is in prayer, and our God WILL answer our prayers!  And when that happens simonesdad, I want you to remember this day....and remember what I've told you about your sinful condition!  Repent and believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness fo your sins simonesdad!!  He will change your heart and make you a new person!!  Don't wait!!!  Do it today!!  You do not know when you will die, and when you will face judgement simonesdad!!  Today is the day of your salvation!!!  Repent today!!
  • JackieM
    simonesdad2009--by the way, we see what happens when democrats and liberals are in charge.  the lies and corruption become worse, jobs are no where to be found, more layoffs occur, debt increases to unheard of levels, and businesses continue to close/suffer.  oh and we have higher taxes and penalties.  good luck with you agenda to destroy this country.  it is working for now.  this will ensure the republicans get back on track for a very, very long time!  so keep up your rhetoric and keep me laughing at you and the fools and crooks in washington!
  • JackieM
    simonesdad2009--you are a joke.  a lot of folks in your party are leaving and disagreeing with obama.  keep up your rhetoric!  we have ideas and proven ones.  keep on lying and saying we don't have them.  ignore obama's decreasing poll numbers.  the republicans came up with a stimulus plan that would have actually worked and cost less.  we spell out facts about obama and you dismiss them and say we are just calling him bad.  you are a typical liberal and use the typical tactics of your party.  it might work on the welfare and uneducated folks but it won't work with us so you are wasting your time!
  • simonesdad2009
    all we have to do right now is to keep pointing out the failure and lies of this administration to create jobs and cut spending and how our plan would have worked better and that is easily proven!

    Then you should have no problem in 2012 and beyond, right?  Good luck with that but it won't work.  Standing on the sidelines and criticizing is not a winning plan.  You don't have the credibility (thank you GWB) nor the numbers to be a voice of reason no matter how reasonable you think you are.  Throw out that old playbook, roll up your sleeves and come to the table with something new.  Obama = bad is not new and not a strategy.  It's an opinion.  It's a grievance.  It's sour grapes.  Bring something new and fresh to the debate.  The, "I'm so smart and anyone who doesn't agree is (name the insult/label)" plan of attack doesn't work. 

    I read an article about Jeb Bush the other day.  Of course he ripped Barack, as is his solemn duty, but he also said the republicans need to update their message.  The stuff he hears today could have been said/written in 1990, according to him.  That's not me saying that, that's a Bush! 

    Who dictates policy, controls taxes and spending and sets the national agenda is the person/party who can get the most votes.  Again, back to the numbers but it is really that simple.  Republicans are losing ground everyday and the conservatives among you are not helping.  Now imagine if things begin to turn around?  Game over!  And it's not good enough to just sit back and say things won't turn around because that's not an idea and things may very well turn around and then what?.  What are your ideas (that aren't from 1990)?  What is your plan to articulate your ideas to the people?  What are you doing to build your numbers and is it working?  All rhetorical questions but I don't see anything from your side.  Call me liberal or partisan or whatever but you have no leader or direction or cohesion and you want to run the country?  Try getting your house in order first.  Whoever is in charge of you guys should be fired or given a prize by the Democrats!  Even if we had devised your downfall, there's no way we could have done the job you are doing to yourselves.  The best part is that the answers are right there in front of your face but you guys still think it's 1990 or 2000 or even 2004.  Well, it's not and never will be again.  Come back to the table with IDEAS and a plan, not told ya so's and sour grapes.
  • JackieM
    Newt summed up the truth that liberals don't want people to know when he said:

    "Barack Obama campaigned as a new kind of centrist who could bring people together. But as president he's been a radical liberal, passing his stimulus bill without a single Republican vote in the House.

    He campaigned to end the influence of special interests in the nation's capital. But as president he's rewarded his political supporters at the expense of economic recovery in the stimulus bill and paid back his union allies at the expense of the rule of law in the Chrysler and GM bankruptcies.

    Barack Obama campaigned as a leader who would bring a new kind of politics to Washington. Then he used Chicago-style politics - twisting arms and offering payoffs - to pass one of the largest tax increases in American history in the cap and trade bill."

    so there are two liberals on this site that want to defend this SOB obama?  give me a break.  one of them wants to find "common ground" with us?  excuse me, i personally find no common ground with people with support this SOB!  i won't be reduced to accept this type of "leadership" and won't agree with any liberal solution I've seen yet because it is bad for our nation and its future.  they are intent in destroying our nation and its people and won't stop until they do.  this crooked/corrupt  administration has not surprised me yet.  i knew this would happen.  i'll say it again for the liberals because they seem to not understand English:  "obama and his supporters are destroying our country."  there is no excuse for their behavior and those who support obama should have more intelligence than this!  the root cause of our education probem is the parents and look who some of these parents are (liberals) and what they teach their children--liberalism!  ha!  no wonder there is a problem in the schools! we are seeing they don't vote on common sense or with an understanding of economics, business or national defense.
  • DS
    We already have a mechanism in place to get the message to Washington!  The Tea Parties consist of democrats, republicans, and independents.....all races and religions!  This is a grass roots movement which we should continue to grow and expand their message to include evrything that we've talked about here.  At some point we may need to organize a time in which they all meet in Washingto to give their message LOUD and CLEAR to their representatives on the hill...similar to what happened with the civil rights movement.  If that isn't successful, then I'm afraid that it will be too late to expect any political change in our country!  And that brings me back to the ONLY real answer to our problem...God!!   UNTIL we repent as a nation and ask God back into our society, don't expect to see much improvement!  Man, when left to his own devices, will kill and destroy everything that is good for the people!  This has been proven many times over in history, and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone!  You think we can become a more moral and advanced society without God?  Think again people!  Mark my words.....UNTIL we repent and ask God to help restore and bless us as a nation, we will continue to see evil prevail in our land!  Bud, the answer is to stop putting our faith in politicians to do the right thing, and get serious about God!  This is why I told Amber that I am unwilling to sacrifice my christian morals which come from God in order to gain a few brownie points with the liberals, or anyone else for that matter!  Abortion is wrong!  Marriage is between a man and a woman!  Defending the rights of the unlawful is wrong!  Allowing bribery and greed in to get off with only a slap on the hand is wrong!  Robbing from one man to give to another is wrong!  We could go on and on about the immoral things we are doing as a nation, yet we still wonder why our country is the way it is?  The first step in solving ANY problem is to admit the wrong, then do what is necessary to change it!  We aren't there as a nation!
  • JackieM
    amber--you should have a problem with the fact that we are not drilling.  the left blows this off as something that is not necessary.  our dependence on foreign oil needs to be reduced ASAP!  so we need to use the methods we have available to us right now!  while this is happening, obama needs to do his job for once and give companies and people reasons to start new ventures.  higher taxes and penalties will stifle jobs and innovation.  that is common sense.  however, the left continues to want to soak the American people.  all of this is tied together so if obama continues to fail in his economic policies, we won't get to where we need to be.  obama is quick to want to pass a cap and trade policy to ensure people are paying more while ensuring that we continue to pay more for gas than necessary.
  • JackieM
    according to the news, there is a new report out that shows that biden has once again failed at his job.  obama put him in charge of ensuring the stimulus money was not wasted and as we know both of these morons are incompetent fools.  ha!  a while back biden said he knew some of the money would be wasted and it looks like this is now a fact.  now only democrats would think that the money would go towards infrastructure.  this is just another example of the democrats lying to the American people about what their policies will accomplish.  this is also a really good example of a half-assed attempt to fix a problem.  anyone who knows anything about management understands that you have to have a plan in place AHEAD of time to track results.  LOL!  now the democrats don't have this.  they will also do a half-assed job at healthcare reform because they refuse to truly resolve the fundamental problems that will burden any plan they pass from day one!  biden and his boss need to be fired!  i'm laughing at the idiot on this site that says we don't know how to get our message out and need to be more inclusive.  our message is loud and clear--only idiots voted for obama and they should be ashamed of themselves for their irresponsible behavior.  more and more people are suffering thanks to these voters.
  • JackieM
    Let's see our country is going to hell thanks to obama and people are continuing to losing jobs and the "stimulus" money is being wasted as we knew it would.  are people stupid enough not to get the messsage now?  what liberals don't seem to understand is that true republicans appeal to everyone who wants jobs, lower taxes and smaller government.  of course, we won't ever be able to appeal to those who don't pay taxes because we have morales.  we don't want to give handouts to those who don't want to work.  duh!  all of this is color blind.  racism is only a game people on the left play.  so we do appeal to people who have sense!  i would rather be associated with a party who prides themselves in working hard to take care of their families instead of a party who tolerates irresponsbility and welfare to those who keep having children they can't afford.  hmmmm!  so yes, we have a message and it is loud and clear.  all we have to do right now is to keep pointing out the failure and lies of this administration to create jobs and cut spending and how our plan would have worked better and that is easily proven!
  • simonesdad2009
    Until conservatives figure out how to deliver their message and make themselves relevant again, it doesn't matter what you do.  I will say again, beyond mostly white, mostly male, Christians, living in the south, you don't have allies or reliable supporters.  As I said, fairly or unfairly, you have a problem with people of color in this country (not you individually, aliy, your movement).  You have a problem with gays and poor people and just about anyone who is not in your narrow demographic.  Of course there are exceptions but this is the perception.

    I'm not sure what this statement means, aliy:
    "I have a problem with the fabric of who they are as people and what they want to do with my country"

    Who exactly are "they" and isn't it our country collectively?  So now you are judging or passing judgment on the "fabric" of a whole group of people you don't know and never met?  There is a word for that.  But it's not about you, aliy and I'm not making any assumptions about you personally.  But it's typical of the tone and tenor of conservative messaging.  Exclusionary is the word I'll use.  Your failure to even recognize your problem with people of color, as exemplified by aliy, simply reinforces my point.  Yes, Democrats benefit from a double standard when it comes to people of color and we always will until conservatives do the hard and tedious work of outreach and realize it doesn't get turned around in one election cycle.  It's an easy shot to call you guys racists.  I don't believe that and you'll be the first to say you are racially neutral.  Well, that comes across as racially indifferent or racially unaware.  Messaging and perception, people!  This stuff is so easy.  So either you don't care, don't get it or would rather go down in flames than address the problem you have.  I personally don't care if you go down in flames but I do think checks and balances are always better for the country.  We need a good and viable opposition.  The postion you have with people of color alone will make you obsolete and therefore not viable in one generation.  So prattle on about socialism and gay marriage and abortions.  You have a basic numbers and perception problem that will kill your movement even if you are 100% correct about every major issue that is out there.  Now go figure it out!
  • MR. BUD
    My deal: Biden, when questioned, stated that "We did't realize the deal was as bad as it was"!  GREAT FUCKING ANSWER MR. VICE PRESIDENT!  That lands all your administration's screw ups directly back on who?  MR. BUSH?  Oh my God!  What happened to the STIMULUS?  Unemployment continues to grow with no end in sight!  (done passed the projected cut)  America don't have any more money!  China is snubbing us when it comes to credit.  WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?

    The reason I wrote the above is I read day in and day out what our problems are.  I read from both sides day in and day out who caused those problems.  Left and Right are never going to agree on everything but we damn well better get our shit together and do something about this guy we have for president.  I don't know how you limit his authority, giving the crooks he has around him, but we have to do something.

    My point being, instead of cussing at each other and yelling our ass off at each other, calling each other names on this web site, let's figure out how to take what we write in these post to Washington!  I feel like we accomplish nothing here bitching at each other, so what's our answer?  Somehow we need to come up with a plan to make Washington listen to us.  The power is still with the people.  The people are just divided right now.  LET'S GET TOGETHER - AS A PEOPLE - AND GIVE THEM A MESSAGE...  Can we do that?
  • Aliy

    In NY they pay teachers with tenure to sit around and do nothing. They just draw a paycheck. That I think is wrong. If we didn't have a union telling us because a teachers been a teacher for 20 years you have to pay her salary if or not she's got a class is what hurts and makes other teachers NOT get what they are worth in pay.

    In Florida, we cover FULL health insurance for ALL school employees. I think they should be required to pay a portion of that. You take the close to 1,000 employees in MY county alone, you're talking a HUGE savings there.

    I would go to each purveyor (US foods brings food to EVERY school in my county) tell them you're taking a 10-15% cut, if you can't take a 10-15% cut, I'm sure we can find another food purveyor company who would LOVE to have over 300 schools as a client!

    I would charge each child 75 cents a day for the bus. Even 50 cents. I see no reason, with the cost of gas, we shouldn't do something to try to offset that. I think if there WERE no busses you'd either be walking, taking your car or riding the public bus for $1 why can't you pay 50cents for the convenience?

    School lunches, I would have it like it was when I was in school. There's 1 option, 1 side, 1 dessert and a milk. My son's school has 3 side choices, 2 entree choices, 4 desserts and 3 kinds of milk, 3 kinds of juices and a "cold lunch" option if you don't like the hot lunch!!! What a collosal waste of food THAT is!

    Education is important but there are WAY better ways to CUT the budget instead of praying Obama signs a stimulus so you don't have to close schools. Don't take necessary from necessary.

    How about this, food stamps are cut in 1/2 so the schools can operate. If you think that's unreasonable, you're talking about cutting the military to support the schools more, I say at least the soldiers have a job. Let's start making the people who are draining the system support some of it. They aren't giving taxes, so we'll take 1/2 their benefits and consider it their contribution.
  • Aliy
    Amber, Obama is scaling back our military, he's eliminating jobs, he's dis-arming. You mentioned that you want America to remain a super power but you think we spend too much on military.

    I think if there's ANYTHING that deserves our attention it's the military. They are our first line of defense. They protect us and our freedoms, they give their lives for US to live free. I think we greatly under appreciate them.

    Just knowing that they are all loosing jobs they worked and trained for because Mr. Obama says they are "obsolete" (like Terrorist intelligence).

    I also look at the state of the VA's and how deplorable the medical service we give to our service men!

    The fact that they make them move to new bases and have no housing for them because we've closed so many bases there's more soldiers than homes.

    My friend Tor is in the Army, he had to be off his base in TX on May 10th and ON his base in NY on June 1. He got there and they didn't find housing to put him in until June 24th. He had to live with 2 kids, and 2 dogs and ALL his life in a trailor behind his truck, for more than a month! How is THAT taking care of our soldiers?

    I think it's a shame that a lot of people see their impression of the war as their impression of the warrior. My friend Torey was spit on getting off a plane coming home on leave once. Disgusting, I don't care what you think of the war, you need to support the soldier who's laying his life on the line so you have the FREEDOM to spit on people.

    I think education is a great cause but there are other ways to cut that budget that no one thinks about. More on that next.
  • amber
    Jackie- it's not drilling the oil that concerns me so much as burning it, and coal. We need a clean energy. What happens to our security when a billion people have to escape rising sea levels, or are fighting over water and can't grow food. You think we have immigration problems now.
  • JackieM
    amber--protecting the environment is definitely important but our people must be protected first and foremost.   we can't be taxed more just because we need to keep warm in the winter.  bills should not go up just because we are trying to protect the environment.  i know elderly people right now who are living entirely off Social Security.  they can't afford to pay higher prices.  obama should not be allowed to say who should subsidize others' energy bills.  he is power hungry and needs to stay out of our private lives.  people should not be subjected to obama's judgement of who can and cannot afford to be soaked more in taxes.  that is ridiculous.  if i live in NY, my housing costs are triple the costs of someone living in the rural areas of SC.  some people have more family obligations than others so it costs more.  obama is trying to hinder people from supporting their families and to "spread the wealth around."  we should be able to decide what we want to do with our money without the government stealing more of it!  that is wrong!  so why should obama have the right to judge who can and can't afford to pay more in taxes?  it is called control!
  • JackieM
    amber--i'm not nasty but just telling the truth.  if you want common ground, i'll use your example.  i agree we need find a solution to the energy crisis.  experts have said that the environment can be protected while drilling.  so for starters drilling needs to happen now!  more refineries need to be built until alternative methods can be discovered and perfected.  then obama needs to give tax incentives to all companies and tax cuts to taxpayers to get this economy rolling again.  people will then be encouraged to start their own businesses again.  therefore, people will be able to invest more in energy research!  the government can also provide incentives at that point also.  capitalism is the only way to get us out of this problem.  the government can assist by not taxing people/companies to death and passing laws ensuring fair trade, which is not happening now! obama's cap and trade needs to be scrapped so that people can afford to keep warm in the winter and cool in the summer.  as it stands now with obama's bad cap and trade policy, everyone in the middleclass including the elderly will struggle like they never have before just to pay the bills.  i know the senate was supposed to vote on it but i haven't heard the results.  hopefully, they will nix the bill before more jobs are lost and replaced with $8 to $12/hr jobs. 

    Being a superpower means several things.  1) we don't need to rely on China more than we already are for funding our debt.  this is a big mistake so obama and the democrats need to quit wasting money we don't have.  obama needs to back up his words when he said he would use the pay-as-you-go system.  we know that has been a lie.  this is a national security issue.   the Chinese have no reason to help us with any country.  we are subserviant to them right now.   2) having a strong defense means standing up to those who want to kill us.  it also means not hesitating to take actions alone if necessary.  no one likes war but we sometimes don't have a choice.  3) diplomatic means need to be exhausted like they have.  the UN is useless so we need to stop funding it!

    that's all i have for now but i think you get the jest of it!
  • amber
    common ground 1
    we want America to remain the worlds leading superpower

    One suggestion - find a solution to the energy crises while safeguarding the environment. It must be significantly cleaner than what we have now
  • amber
    You really are nasty Jackie and you have missed the point of the exercise. I am looking for common ground, are their any principles or "values" we can agree on, is their room for compromise and if so where. Think of it as an experiment.
  • JackieM
    Amber--oh wait a minute!  you want to take money alloted for our military.  yeah, during a time of turmoil with threats all around us, you want to just ignore reality and concentrate on the homefront.  so our defenses will be down like our pre-9/11 scenario and we will suffer an attack again!  yeah, your idea is just fabulous--not!  so you think weakening our defenses during the most dangerous time of our lives is a good idea?  let's see clinton cut our military intelligence all in the name of saving money and when 9/11 happened we didn't have enough intelligence out there.  since it takes years and years to infiltrate these societies, Bush can't be blamed for this one!
  • JackieM
    Amber--your comment about energy investment--we are out of money so where is it going to come from?  let me repeat--we are out of money so where is it going to come from?  let me repeat--we are out of money so where is it going to come from?  you are a typical obama supporter!  in case you don't know, money comes from tax revenues.  tax revenues come from people who work.  if jobs are continuing to be lost, there is less revenue.  hmmmmm!  i guess you could let obama continue to waste our money with his so-called "stimulus" plan that is not working.  i personally like the idea of sending money to dead people in this economic crisis.  LOL!  as we know sending money to people who don't pay taxes, dead or alive, does nothing to stimulate the economy.  how about we suggest that obama go out on another date night during this economic crisis?  he could really do it big this time--say $300,000!  that would be about the same amount of money blown as the flyby .  wonder what a family of four could do with that kind of money?  it they were without jobs as millions and millions of Americas are, i think they would appreciate it about now.  i will say that this 8.2% unemployment seems so much more than that.  LOL!  who didn't know the unemployment rate wouldn't get higher under obama's policies?  only democrats/liberals is the answer.
  • JackieM
    yeah, Amber--you are wrong again.  liberals call conservatives haters if we don't support gay marriage.  this came from your side not ours!  the democrats are the ones that labeled republicans the party of no just because we are not tolerant of obama's wasteful spending and other bad policies.  by the way, you should know someone personally before you call someone a bigot.  however, idiots are everywhere and i don't really care what you think.  i would be ashamed to have voted for obama because a "we told you so" comment is in order.  we are seeing his ratings fall everyday and people on your side are finally waking up.  they are beginning to see he is a failure.  but hey, we could have told you guys that because simple economics proves he is wrong.  you are a typical liberal and want to pour money at a problem instead of getting to the root of one.  why don't you idiots decide to fix education?  why don't you start with the main problem--parents.  why don't you hold them accountable for taking care of their kids?  that is the problem.  money can't solve this one but you guys will insist that it is ok to have children you can't pay for by continuing to increase welfare to support these people.  this is just the liberal mindset.  you want to spread the wealth and help those who refuse to help themselves or their families.  personal responsibility is a dirty word in your circles.
  • amber
    i agree with Simone, conservative are not very tolerant of people who are not like them.
  • amber
    For me as a liberal values are the least of my concern this presents a problem as it seems values are a top priority for conservatives. Having said that, it is values that have divided this country. There is a lot of talk of god, I believe in a god of sorts but I have no real understanding of its intentions and certainly don't think any organized religion has any kind of authority or monopoly on the issue.
    As a liberal I  would start form another end, as Aliy mentioned I would like America to remain a super power and lead the world. Living in Australia, has been interesting, we are the envy of the world not because we have the bomb but because so many of the in novations of the modern world come from the US and because so much of popular culture is exported from the US. This Iraq war has greatly diminished this but they still love to hate us. I would suggest that we are over spending on the military and we are under spending on education. Every time there is a break through( in medical science for example) that comes from the states and I here about it on the news over here, it makes me proud that we are still innovators.
    I believe that what ever nation leads the way with energy reform will greatly increase their standing in the world. If we let china or Germany or japan or whoever beat us to the punch on this we will have missed the opportunity of the age to lead.

    Massive investment in alternative and new clean energy scources.
  • aliy
    WELCOME to another episode of "open mouth insert foot"

    Joe Biden says "Isreal's gotta do what Isreal's gotta do about Iran, we can't stop em"

    They then ask Obama if he's really giving the green light for Isreal to fight Iran. Obama says "Absolutly NOT"

    First of all, SINCE WHEN DOES Isreals decision to go to war fall with Obama's premission?! Second, Obama WANTS to see Isreal removed from the planet (we've ALL seen evidence of THAT in his visit over there telling them they should "give some land" to the palastineians and other comments in speechs to muslim countries) But Biden's saying one thing, Obama's saying another, don't these people talk to each other? shouldn't they have the same basic plan?

    Maybe sit down once a week and say "this is where we stand on this issue if you're asked, here's the canned statement".

    I gotta say I LOVE Biden, He's so frigin funny. Everytime I see him on TV I turn the volume up and make everyone be quite because I gotta tell ya, he's really, really funny. And then watching Obama try to retract what Biden said later is even funnier. You think we have dissention in OUR ranks. HA your P and VP aren't even on the same page in YOUR party!

    Obama also stated today he's "open" to another stimulus. Now I gotta ask, is he using the SAME economists that F-ed up the FIRST stimulus figures? Anyone else worried about that?

    Oh, and did anyone else notice the government now owns 34% of CITIGROUP?!!!! WTF. You CAN'T tell me that was Bush, there's no way in HELL you can tell me THAT was Bush.

    If you elected this bozo Obama to CHANGE stuff he's not doing a very good job, this will be what the 3rd or 4th bail out HE'S signed?! And Bush signed 1 in 8 years in office, reverse that and Obama's going to have signed 8 in one year!!!! The speed at which he's steering this boat toward the iceburg is alarming me.

    I think people are starting to notice too. Obama's approval rating in Ohio has dropped below 50% for the first time ever. And for those of you who DON'T know, they are kind of the political poll headquarters of the country. Whatever they say now, the rest of the county is going to be saying within a couple weeks.
  • aliy
    James--Welcome!!! When someone makes a lot of sense I don't really feel there's too much to add with the exception of "Amen!" So,

  • aliy
    Simonesdad you said:

    fairly or unfairly, your movement has a real problem with people of color

    I disagree WHOLE heartedly. I have NO problem with the color of ANYONES skin, I have a problem with the fabric of who they are as people and what they want to do with my country (when in a position of power)

    If two men come to your door to pressure wash your driveway, the white guys is charging $50 and using soap, the black man is charging $300 and using spit. Is it REALLY racist to hire the white guy? I don't care what color you are, just do right by my country and me and you're cool. 

    And we could say the same about liberals who didn't stand behind Condy Rice and Colin Powell? How racist was THAT?!

    Now watch, becuase of your double standard, you're going to say that THEY could be judged on what they did not what color they are. But when conservatives judge people on their records it's racist. Please. Give me a break.
  • amber
    jackie-  I used the wrong word  i should of said bigotry And i think their is plenty of that.
  • simonesdad2009
    Part of the problem as I see it for conservatives is evidenced in this blog.  Essentially it is dead.  We are 800 comments deep in a post about Bernanke.  Nothing new since late May.  The conservatives are out of steam.  The conservatives are disorganized (thank you Mr. Steele).  The conservatives are angry and frustrated and apparently can stay faithful to their wives (Dems too, but we aren't the Bible thumpers to the 10th degree like you guys, so the hypocrisy is just plain hilarious). 

    Conservatives and Libertarians and other concerned citizens banded together for the Tea Party movement and based on what happened this last 4th of July, that has fizzled.  You could argue that things are worse now then at the time of the first Tea Party.  Conservatives will have to discover the hard work of recruitment of like-minded individuals.  Democrats are more liberal (for lack of a better term) about who we will align ourselves with.  You don't have to be holier than Thou.  You can be flawed morally because we understand that EVERYONE is flawed.  A pro life democrat can be elected.  A pro choice republican can not.  For all of your rules and litmus tests it's a wonder you have anyone in your movement. 

    Plus, fairly or unfairly, your movement has a real problem with people of color.  People of color will be the majority in this country by 2042 (estimated).  You don't care about that and you haven't cared but the problem for you now is that you don't know how to care.  Your failure to recognize fundamental changes in the American landscape is your fatal flaw.  You view fundamental changes in the landscape AS the fatal flaw.  Time doesn't move backwards.

    I'm a Democrat and proud of it and worked to help get Barack Obama elected but I don't care where good ideas come from.  Conservatives do and that is a losing formula.  I'm not a policy wonk.  If I had to list descriptions of myself, Democrat wouldn't be in the top 10.  I am, however, a veteran of these posts and many others.  I can tell you that the vitriol bordering on hate directed at Americans by other Americans serves no one well.  It used to be that a fragmented society favored conservatives.  It won't work anymore.  You guys are in desperate need of a new approach.  (No) Gays, God and Guns by themselves just won't get it done anymore.

    George W. Bush once famously said, "God wanted me to be president."  If he truly believed that, then he must believe the same about Barack.  I say God bless Barack Obama and you should too because he has our country in his hands.
  • Leslie H.
    oh no, I don't agree that he who is not against us is for us ... I agree with his sentiment that we don't need a theocracy.  I also agree that this could be God's discipline, but I also know that I can't pretend to know God's motives, only that he will in some way use even this for his eternal plan.  I guess I was trying to say that we must be good witnesses through word and deed, not that I have any desire to force someone to believe.
  • DS
    I think you understand and support my position better than most others here.  James, I know you mean well, but it sounds to me like you're not fully committed to the same christian values that I see in God's word.  Believe me, I'm not against you!  But I also don't support the statement that "He who is not against us is for us." 

    I want to stress again that I believe that God has allowed obama to be president, and thus allowed him to make a lot of the terrible decisions that he has made.  Why?  The most probably answer is because we have forced God out of society, so He is going to allow us to discipline ourselves in order that we might see the error of our ways.....and ultimately repent of our sins and invite Him back into our lives!  IF we don't see that, admit it, and do what is necessary to bring Him back into our lives, then we can expect nothing less than to see our nation continue to decay, and will probably see more tryants like obama in high places!!  PLEASE don't underestimate our involvement in this, and don't be fooled into believing that we can change the political landscape without chanign our hearts!!
  • JackieM
    Nice to have you here, James!
  • JackieM
    Amber--there is no racism here but that is a nice try.  i don't give a damn about the color of someone's skin.  i care about who the person is and what he/she brings to the table.  obama is a jerk and is leading our country down the wrong path.  just because i don't like obama doesn't mean i'm for everything Bush did and i have spoken about that many times on this site.  so you need to stop playing dumb and pay attention to what we have been saying instead of making up things to suite your party.   saying "we have had our turn" is just stupid.  "we" didn't have our turn.  the true conservatives haven't had our turn so get over yourself.  i'm not hostile but i do tell the truth.  how in the hell can you say anyone is scape goating when you voted for obama?  hahahaha!  he is the king of that!  instead of actually solving any problem, he continues to place blame and spend money.  so you guys are having your turn and we see what has happened.  i guess you are not familiar with basic math, business and economics.  if you were, you would understand that obama's plan to spend us out of a recession WILL NOT WORK.  it is as plain as 2 + 2 = 4.  if you understand anything about how business owners operated, you will realize that obama is directly responsible for stifling job growth as a direct result of his policies.  i've never worked for a poor man and the wealthy are rich for a reason.  they will control a lot more than obama thinks.  i know people right now who are purposely cutting their incomes to ensure they will not make more than $250k/yr because they refuse to pay more than their fair share.  i don't blame them.  i know business owners that will shut their doors and layoff people if obama imposes higher taxes and penalties on them (healthcare penalties and cap and trade).  they don't want or need the extra hassles.  so obama thinks he can control revenues by taxing people more but he has another thing coming.  this can be proven by the current situation in CA where people are moving out of the state.  so amber if you think i'm hostile because i actually give a damn about the people suffering in this country as a direct result of obama's policies, i'm happy with that.  i won't apologize for my morales, standards or anything else.  in addition, i refuse to lower my morales or standards for anyone and will continue to fight for smaller government, a strong national defense, lower taxes, our first amendment rights and conservative beliefs!

    by the way, i would like to see less emphasis on war too but there is a problem with this blanket statement.  other folks don't see it our way.  so here's what you need to do to correct the problem since you and obama think you know it all.  you need to go tell the taliban, Iran, North Korea and all of the rest of the extremists to stop it!  if that works, which it won't, we can have less emphasis on war.  why don't you bring a ruler and smack these folks on the hand if they don't comply.  that may work!  LOL!  otherwise, we have to do what we need to do to keep our country safe.  how many times do you liberals have to hear the same ole broken record from us to finally get reality?  everyone has their own opinions about Iraq and i won't go there because i don't want to talk to a liberal about such issues.  you will never get it! 

    how in the hell can you defend anything obama has done?  he didn't even know what was in the stimulus package he signed and neither did the damn idiots in congress or the senate who voted for it!  so i think when you say "let us have our turn," you are absolutely insane.
  • Leslie H.
    P.S. Welcome James
  • Leslie H.
    I think I see what you mean and I'm right there with you. Here's my take on where Christianity comes into play. Of course we don't want a theocracy, you can't force someone to believe.  And I believe ALL things happen according to God's plan, (even this last election, though I hate to admit it).  I believe we must be respectful of the authorities that God has placed over us, as long as they don't prevent us from serving Him.  I also believe that God has given Americans a unique responsibility.  We live in a nation where our leaders work for us.  We have a voice.  If we are to be the "salt of the earth," then we must utilize every available resource.  God is in control, but we have a responsibility to stay involved.  Just as we are commanded to use our talents, we almost also use the opportunities given to us.  I don't want a government to dictate my faith, or tell anyone else what to believe.  But I also don't believe in checking my faith at the door when it comes to voting and advocacy. I am not talking about forcing Christianity, but I believe in promoting Christian principles like liberty, the sanctity of life, and personal accountability.
  • James Alexander Courtney
    Sorry I wasn't trying to say that there aren't true conservatives.  What I meant was that Liberals have long since hijacked OUR word.  Liberal has the root word Liberty.  Who fights for liberty the so-called liberals on the left?  No they want a large government to provide things for them and to make sure that they don't have to pay for the choices that they make.  Conservatives are the ones who demand freedom and are the ones who can survive in Liberty.  That's why I call Conservtives Liberals and Liberals the Progressive Statists.  It wasn't supposed to be a slam on the Conservatives. 

    I'm not trying to get too deep into this but..

    Look whatever your religious outlook is I believe this: that God wants us to follow his word.  But wants us to live in liberty.  Some say that free will does not exist, some say it does, but I would say that it at least APPEARS to exist and that's probably how God wants it.  If we keep going down the road we are on.  The Progressive statists will do all they can to eliminate God, free will, and liberty from our culture.  The suffering would be immense and many would lose faith.  It truly saddens me.  I do not want to have to answer for that.  I don't know how judgment works but I know that if there is something I can do to preserve the freedom that He gave us so that we can worhip Him and live the lives that we want to live, then I'm going to do that. 

    But from now on, I will call consvertives conservative and liberals liberal to avoid confusion.

    I would also say this:  It is better to put your faith in Christ, than to put it in Christians.  If God saw fit that a "non-Christian" should be president, and that president restored our republic in a way so that we can live the lives we want to live then so be it.  God works in mysterious way.  He who is not against us is with us...no?

    So for me, as long as we have the freedom to worship and no one tries to stop that, then I'm good.  And I'm not slamming Christians because I AM one, but I like my governments to be secular and my faith to be personal. 
    I hope I'm not on the terrorist watch list now.
  • DS
    I was about to answer your previous post when I read your last one.  I also believe that we will get a new president AFTER this one has screwed everything up just as Carter did.  Unfortunatley, that's how our system works.  So, that being the case, we shouldn't be worrying so much.  We know from past history that the people will see how bad obama screwed up our country, and will then vote someone new into office to fix it again.  I do, however disagree with you that conservatives are now liberals.  Yes, there is a part of the Republican party that has become "Democrat light", and thus more liberal than they are conservative.  But, there is still a LOT of true conservatives out there, and MOST of them are christians!!  And true christians will NEVER sacrifice their moral values JUST to gain political power!  That is why I said what I said in my last post.  I trust God to do whatever He needs to do to get this country back on track....and doing His will again!  And, unfortunately, that may mean that we have to be ruled by a tyrant for some period of time before the rest of the country wakes up, repents of their sins, and invites God back into our society!  Personally, I don't believe that anything is going to change UNTIL that happens.  That is why my goal is to see hearts changed, and to work and pray for people to be saved!  That is the ONLY thing that is going to save us from eventual destruction.  I pray that more and more christians will understand this, and will awaken from their apathetic sleep and begin to be the salt and light that they are called to be!!!  THEN we will see our nation blessed again!!
  • James Alexander Courtney
    I've been reading a lot about the American Revolution recently.  Funny thing.  The SAME things were happening then as they are now.  People were sick of Bristish rule but nobody was quite sure what the right move was.  Everybody had a different idea and the Continental Congress was largly flapping their gums to hear themselves talk. 

    What do you think it will take?  Is it going to be some politician that unites us?  Heck no!  Politicians are a dime a dozen.  We can stick any empty suit up there and have them mimic what we want them to say.  WE are the fire that lights thier torch.  They want to be elected and we have to show them how.

    What's is going to take?  What did it finally take to sign the Declaration of Independence?  It took the government doing what it always does.  Usurping the rights of the people to the point where they have finally had it.  It's going to take something crass, destructive, and outright tyrannical. 

    How did the Reagan Revolution start?  With Jimmy Carter and Stagflation.  I'm sorry to say... but I think that's what's got to happen.  Outright tyranny is the only thing that is going to get the Liberty Lovers into gear.   Conservatives? nope... Conservatives are Liberals now and Liberals are Progressive Statists. 

    So the real question is, "when are the Progressive Statists going to piss off the (classical) Liberals (i.e. Conservatives/Libertarians) enough to organize and actually fight for freedom?  My Answer is this:  About the time the second stimulus gets passed.  Or when they pass Nationalized Health Care.
  • MR. BUD
    James, welcome to UC.  I like your post.  It is right on.  I also visited your web site and I like it to.  With what you said, you are right on that we need to get these people together in one huddle so we can communicate.  My question to you is, and I hope you have an answer, how do we do that?

    There are a bizillion voices out there on every talk show in America, spinning in every direction one might imagine.  There are several bizillion on the web blogging and spewing in every direction.  Now, I know there are good people in all these voices and some in all these places.  I know the majority of them mean well.  BUT, HOW DO WE GET THEM TOGETHER - HOW DO WE GET THEM TO LISTEN?   How do we get them to hear one voice?  Everybody sort of has a solution to the problem but nobody seems to be listening.

    The only thing I can come up with is to pick the most controversal person in America, put that person out front and support him/her.  Right now for our party, that person seems to be Sarah Palin.  We don't really know what her plans are.  I believe it will be to rebuild the republican party to an acceptable level that we can once again define our Constitution as something good.  Not something worn out!
  • James Alexander Courtney
    Here's the deal.  We believe in religous freedom and tolerance in this country.  I agree that some of the more "moral" issues are tough for some to take and that the base conservatives won't give them up.  But if conservatives (i.e. Republicans, Libertarians, and Conservative Independents) don't come together, it won't matter WHAT you believe in because there won't be enough liberty and freedom to go around to exercise those beliefs. 

    The priority is to get this country under control.  That means the control of the people.  Not political elites in either party.  We can squabble about abortion or stem cell research, but while we're fighting for that the fascists/socilists/statists will have nationalized our industry, and will be well on the way to regulating every aspect of our lives.  Our economy will be wrecked and no one will be able to raise enough money to mount any kind of threat to the established, elitist, pro-government, tyrants living in D.C.  Nor will anyone want to even risk running on anything but the status quo. 

    The Fed is controlling the money and now Obama and Co. want to control the Fed while giving it more powers.  This country is nothing like the way its supposed to be.  We need to concentrate on that first.  THEN, when we establish liberty again we will be in a position to end some of the atrocities that are also happening (partial-birth abortion = murder). 
    But we must unite behind one thing and that's Liberty.  Liberty, Free Markets, Free Speech, Private Property and the right of Dominon.   Otherwise we can keep latching on to our individual issues, but they will never pan out because we won't have the voice or the power.
  • DS
    Excellent post!!!  You have spoken like a prophet.  We do need to come together on some very specific things, most of which revolve around the expansion of government.  If we get it right, we can begin to work on the fringe issues to bring our country back towhat it once was.
  • DS
    No, I can't compromise on my moral values!  That's what God says, and that's good enough for me.  I understand that athere are those who don't believe in God, but that doesn't negate the fact that He exists!  EVERYONE will answer to God someday!  It sure would benefit them if they got to know Him and love Him today, while they still have a chance!  The MOMENT you die, there is NO OTHER CHANCE!!  And nobody knows the day and the hour that they will die!  Repent and believe in Jesus Christ today for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will be saved!!
  • MR. BUD
    Amber (777) i know this is a conservative web site, but just as an experiment Would it be possible to satisfy some of big issues for both the left and the right. any suggestions, for me some of the big issues are war, healthcare, environment, national debt, corporate greed, jobs ect.  for the right it is perhaps taxes abortion, national debt, gun control, religious what ever to name a few. Would someone list the issues that are of conservative concern for me, i would appreciate it.

    Amber, I chose this post of yours because you posted some following this one.  Thank you and Aliy for a seemingly interesting little debate.  Kind of the first one I have really wittnessed between a liberal and a conservative on any of these sites.  Jr has been trying to make us see what we need to do as a PEOPLE, not as democrats of republicans.

    I am not that different from either of you two.  I am concerned about ALL OUR RIGHTS as American Citizens.  Our rights (mine, yours and everyone else) is being infringed upon by Washington Politicians.  It seems we have 3 parts of our supposedly 2 party system anymore.  A Conservative Movement, a Liberal Movement and a Politicial Movement.  If conservatives and liberals don't get together, this country is totally screwed.  Too many Americans (both republicans and democrats) are standing with their hand out, waiting for the Politicians to DO MORE for them.  The Political Movement, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, is taking over America!  (They are no longer for the people)  IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES - and we, you and I, are being used eveyday for the Political Movement to accomplish their agenda.  What are you and I doing about it?  NOTHING - sitting here arguing with each other.  Conservative verses Liberal, bla, bla, (who can write the cutest post) all the while our entire system of Government is being changed to fit the Political agenda.  That agenda is FASCISM, and if you and I don't wise up, our future generations will live under dictatorship right here in the good old United States!   THINK ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID.

    Sure, I am concerned about those big issues to but if our "POLITICAL GOVERNMENT" takes over, those big issues won't mean a damn thing to them of us.  We'll be too busy ducking our heads and hiding, trying to eat a friggin ice cream cone that we just purchased under the table on the black market because there is no free market left.  IT WILL GET THAT BAD unless the people, again, YOU AND I, take back this country! DO THE RIGHT THING!
  • amber
    Aliy- thanks for the reply. I have read, a lot to think about and it's midnight over here, time for bed i will reply tomorrow. Be well.
  • Aliy
    There you go Amber. Any questions, comments, or otherwise counter offer?

    See, we CAN have rational discussions if you ask us a question.
  • Aliy
    I believe a marriage is between a man and woman, however, I believe MORE in the fact that you keep what goes on in your bedroom, in your bedroom.

    I think abortion is wrong. I see an argument here for rape victims where it might be too much to carry a child and remind you of the rape. Other than that, abortion is totally wrong. It's not a form of birth control and I think too many people use it that way.

    Normal conservative values are important to me, however, I am fully aware that there are people out there who are just NOT going to come even 1/2 way to meet me on these issues so if there's a discussion and answers to be found, I think we need to fix things we can come to common ground on. Abortion and gay marriage are NOT things we're going to come to common ground on. It's like spy v spy, we will FOREVER launch rockets at eachother on those issues.

    Dora posted a story not too long ago about a woman who married an American (she was gay) and that they were trying to deport her because the spouse passed away. That happens everyday. She was tying to make it sound like it was because the woman was gay. It wasn't, it was becuase she'd been in this country 20 years and hadn't taken 1 step to become legal!! There's a lawyer up in my sisters firm that is representing widows of citizens who were 1/2 way into the process when their spouse passed.  Dora will make it sound like we hate gay people because we agreed she should be deported, but we hate people who come here, live off us and don't bother trying to be part of our society. THAT is what we hate. Not gay people.
  • Aliy
    And finally:

    Our school system is attrocious (and you're going to LOVE this) it's Bushes fault. They need to get rid of NCLB because it's a completely failing system. They spend 1/2 a year studying for it, 3 weeks taking it and it's weighed too heavily on what funding they are going to get. The poor childern shouldn't be saddled with the responsibility of "do good or next year you won't have art class" That's CRAP. There's a WAY easier way to do it. And, what do you know, I have the answer to THAT too.

    Take 5th grade. You give them the 5th grade final on day 1 of school. Then you grade it, then you give them the 5th grade final on the last day of school, you grade it, improvement marks money earned. The problem with NCLB is that schools that really need the money don't get it because they can't get the test scores up there to compete with schools that have a lot of parental support, extra cirr. activities, clubs, etc. I have just streamlined the whole NCLB process into something that WILL benefit schools that need it and it will take 2 days and the rest of the time the children can be taught something other than how to bubble a test.
  • Aliy
    I can't STAND when a non-contributor by choice (someone who just doesn't feel like working and wants ME to support them) insists I give them something I worked hard for.

    My neighbor works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. We took our boys out the other day to go to the park, she asked me to stop at a storage place, I did, she was making a sales call!!! On a Sunday!!! She works her ass off. Her sister wants to teach guitar 2 hours a week and is ALL for this government giving her health care, taking more taxes out of her sister and giving her more free stuff, charging her sister more for electric while she gets a voucher. She's ALL about that. I say get off your ass and work as hard as your sister does, you might have what your sister does. I see NO reason I should have to pay close to 60% of what I make so someone who sits ass all day can have some of it.

    Just another problem we need to address, short of MAKING them work piss jobs like picking up trash on the side of the road, not sure what the answer is here. I'm open to suggestions.
  • Aliy
    Health care coverage is a MESS. They need to streamline it, make a standard policy and make EVERY insurance company sell THAT. People want to add extra visits, cancer coverage, maternity, so be it, but there should be 1 standard. That way Humana can't charge me $800 a month and deny everything. I don't know what's covered, what's not, streamline it.

    THEN. If Humana excludes something (like my wrist I had surgery on) I can BUY into a government plan to cover JUST my wrist. You register the things that are specifically excluded from your policy and you PAY to have them covered. Key word here is BUY. I don't mind helping someone who's down on their luck, disabled, or otherwise can't work.

    Don't get me wrong, it's the OTHER people, the ones that don't WANT to work that piss me off.
  • Aliy
    Illegal aliens are completely draining our system and they need to go. If they had deported Obama's aunt who's in this country illegally, it would have made a statement "Come here legally or we're sending you home" they are all like giant boils on the ass of this country and we need to get rid of them. I don't want an amnesty program, I want them to learn English, get jobs, pay taxes and do it legally like the rest of us and our families did!

    Did you know my dad's been trying to retire for 2 years? They won't let him. They say my mom still has a job so he can't have his retirement!!!! What the HELL is THAT?! He paid in his whole life and now because some illegals are sucking off the system MY dad can't have his retirement!!!??
  • Aliy
    Ok Amber, You want my issues.

    I want America to be the strong country. There's a reason we had the bomb and Obama seems to forget that.

    I don't want OUR president going around the world telling people we're pussys. I wouldn't go overseas and bash him, I don't appreciate him doing it back.

    I think government spending is out of control. The ONLY things the federal government should be supplying is infastructure (roads where needed), schools, and police/military protection. ALL else should be left to the states. Private sector if at all possible.
  • Aliy
    Amber, we're going to go through this ONE MORE TIME. It's 6 months into Obama's administration, This is HIS ball of snot now. Not Bush anymore. The whole economy thing, I don't care WHAT condition Bush left it in, Obama promised us a fix with the stimulus, DIDN'T FIX IT. Now they are trying to spend another stimulus and everyone's OK with this.

    No one was FOR spending in Iraq or anywhere else for that matter. We're all tea party members (which by the way, the first tea party was held during BUSHES administration to protest, OMG, Yes, THE SPENDING!!!!!! I don't care if it's a repub or democrat doing it, spending what you don't have isn't going to help!!!!

    Do you understand NOW? Maybe, or are you going to say because I don't support Obama I liked Bush spending trillions of dollars. Only YOU and other liberal have different rules for your people. We here in the conservative party hold EVERYONE to the same standard.
  • amber
    I would like to see less emphasis on war,  upgraded national infrastructure, higher standards in education.
  • amber
    sounds like your are in no mood for comprimise
  • DS
    I need a job....but there are no jobs.  obama promised jobs...where are they?  And after I get a job, I would like to be able to keep a lot of what I make, but I KNOW that obama is already planning on how he will take most of it to give to those who won't work.  I don't want the government to own anything as they don't know how to run anything.  I want the government to protect America from Islamic terrorists ANY and ALL ways possible....and that includes waterboarding them if we happen to catch them!  I prefer that we don't take them captive, and that we introduce them to Allah instead.  I prefer that we stop aborting innocent babies as God is against murder!  They should enjoy the same rights as we do.  I prefer that marriage be between a man and a women as defined by God.  He created us, so I think He knows what's best for us!!  I prefer that our country return to the Judaoe-Christian values whihc we were founded upon!  God blessed our country for over 200 years because we acjnowledged Him in our affairs.  Now that we have removed Him from our schools, our courts, and our public places, He has removed His blessing on our nation.  I prefer that we repenr of our sins and ask God to bless our nation again!  I prefer that ALL people come to the realization that God loves them, and that He wants them to love Him.  He sent His son (Jesus) to die for all of us!  Because of His death and resurrection, He has provided a way for everyone to be saved!!  I would like to see the Kingdom of God expanded so that evil can be destroyed!  I think this is a pretty good start Amber.  Does that sound like a reasonable plan?
  • The Daily Retard
    I just started my little "retard" blog, and for some reason Obamoron keeps showing up in my posts.... I am not sure if it's because he is such an idiot, or out of touch, or if I just despise liberals and their politics with every fiber of my being. Anyway, it will be interesting to watch as our so-called president continues to destroy the country with bailout after bailout and one bad policy after another. I really think there is another revolution coming, and blogs like yours and mine will be the grass roots that gather the troops. Cheers, mate!
  • amber
    DS would you list some of the issues you are most concerned about
  • DS
    I attended an Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial Exhibition today with my son.  It was awesome!  There were so many artifacts and speeches from Lincoln, along with videos and documentaries from various politicians and newsmen.  One that really struck me was a video narrated by former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor who quoted some of Abraham Lincoln's recommendations to lawyers.  I found what he said to be very appropriate to today, and the immorality that we are seeing practiced by many lawyers and judges in our country.  Check out what he had to say about it....I think you'll be shaking your head as I did.

  • amber
    i know this is a conservative web site, but just as an experiment Would it be possible to satisfy some of big issues for both the left and the right. any suggestions, for me some of the big issues are war, healthcare, environment, national debt, corporate greed, jobs ect.  for the right it is perhaps taxes abortion, national debt, gun control, religious what ever to name a few. Would someone list the issues that are of conservative concern for me, i would appreciate it.
  • amber
    jackie, you are very hostile, i am sorry this is so frustrating for you and i do respect your conviction, but the racism and scape goating are disturbing
  • amber
    How can you support spending how ever many trillions blowing up Iraq ,yet be against spending how ever many trillions on American infrastructure. You've had your turn, between Regun and Bush 1&2 you rounded up the bulk of the 11 trillion national debt, you wanted war and tax cuts. Now we find ourselves broke and on the verge of depression (while on republican watch ). I find the debt frightening but I dont hold Obama responsible for it. So Jackie Where were you and your even handed republicans when we were rounding up this debt (And don't say it was a democratic congress that did it).
  • JackieM
    amber--put up or shut up!  obama is screwing up this country and our children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for it.  so far this administration is spending like there is no tomorrow and just expects taxpayers to pay for it.  so either stop backing a moron or continue supporting him and prove my point!  if you have something to say, do it and back it up with facts!
  • amber
    jackie, what a load of shit!
  • JackieM
    Aliy--i think it is because they are democrats and fucking up this country is ok with them.  as long as it is the left screwing up, the supporters will continue to support them.  that is one of the many differences in our parties.  however, we are quick to criticize both sides.  the left only criticizes the right!
  • JackieM
    i take dora just like i do every other liberal--i know she is full of shit!  you will notice she will come to this site and spew hatred and leave.  she can't defend obama's or biden's actions so she resorts to her usual rhetoric.
  • aliy
    Before I sign off for the night. I heard the WHOLE Biden comment today. Apparently it's not "we mis-read the economic situation this country is in" it was "we mis-read the mess Bush left us" When are they going to get it, 1 month into office, yeah, OK, you're cleaning up someone elses mess. 7 months into office, this is YOUR ball of snot buddy.

    Here is a question for Jr.:

    Who exactly, anywhere in the financial world, would F up figures SOOOO bad, cost a "company" 7 TRILLION dollars, and keep their jobs?

    Why are people not calling for these peoples heads?! 

    Do we really trust these people to give honest figures to us anymore? How much did you say health care was going to cost again? How much is cap and trade going to cost again?

    I think it's a sad day when the president is saying EVERYONE around him (these experts he's quoting all the time, wanting people to vote on bills based on THEIR estimates) f-ed up and NO ONE looses their job! When people f up their jobs, you fire them. If they don't loose their jobs, ANYTHING they want to do from here on out is throwing bad money after bad. (I know the phrase is good money after bad, but in my eyes, EVERYTHING'S been bad since that stimulus!)

    I think the financial papers and publications and websites need to start calling for heads. If the guy who screws up my burger at steak and shake gets fired for overdoing the mayo I see NO reason we can't ask for these "experts" to resign or fire their asses. I sure as hell don't trust them anymore.

    Remember when Bush "mis-calculated" how long the war was going to take? Remember when he "mis-calculated" how much money it was going to cost. Where the hell are the congressional hearings now? Where are the investigations now? Why can these people f-up THIS bad and keep their jobs?
  • Leslie H.
    hahaha thanks for the tip, maybe I was being a bit overly optimistic.
  • aliy
    And again, we were called "stupid, stupid and ignorant" in one post from her. This is getting silly.

    Can't liberals understand "No sir, you're stupid" makes you look like a 5 year old? Maybe they don't care how immature they look.

    Leslie--you're wasting a LOT of time trying to find fact to debate with Dora, she's just going to keep calling YOU stupid too and telling you "no sir" for a debate, and in the long run, 10 posts from now, she'll "challenge" you again.

    You'll do research, she'll say "no sir, you're stupid" and in 10 posts from THAT "challenge" you again.

    I played this game with her for about 50 posts when I joined this site. I don't bother doing the research to dialogue with her anymore, she just says "no sir, you're stupid". WHY bust your hump THAT is NOT a debate, it's not a discussion, it's an immature idiot thinking we don't remember what happened a couple posts ago.

    I think it's AWESOME that you're informed but doing it because you think you can finally teach her something is just not going to happen. Obama could walk up, smack her in the face and scream "MY PLAN IS TO CONQUOR THE WORLD!!!" and she would STILL come on here defending him and playing symantics. It's just in her nature to not admit she's wrong about anything.
  • aliy
    And don't you know I used it correctly EVERY time in that post just to drive her even MORE batty. She sits there all day with her little dictionary open and her picture of Rachel Maddow in a halo of light above the computer thinking she's a crusaider for liberals everywhere, so sad.

    Instead of correcting spelling and grammer maybe she would like to talk fact? Oh, I forgot, this is DORA, she can't talk fact, it's not part of her lala land.
  • aliy
    And another thing, if the ONLY thing Dora can pick on me for is my spelling of course I suppose I have to keep spelling things wrong! And I guess I suppose she's going to keep picking on that because there really is no other argument to be made. And I suppose she's ripping her hair out right now because I'm screwing up that word over and over and over. And I also suppose I've been doing it on purpose for a while now because I KNOW it drives her ape-batty. I never professed to be a great speller, but my facts are dead on. Dora can spell, but MAN don't bother her with fact.
  • aliy
    Leslie--AHHHHH HAAAA HAAAA I could totally see Biden one day as they string up Obama "oops" Thank you for the image. That was GREAT!!!
  • Leslie H.
    Dora, as per your request here is a list of articles about Media Matters lies ....hope you find it helpful!!!





    This should be enough to get you started, I have a few more pages ... if you're interested in reading them please let me know!
  • Dora
    amber,  enjoy your visit down under- you sure are not missing anything on this site... same stupid people saying the same stupid things.  

    leslie-  find something Media Matters has said that is not true. 
    ditto for Aliy, DS, or Bud. 

    Jackie is a lost head case and not worth the price of a dead rat.
  • Dora

    Obama's Senate record is public and available. look it up yourselves.
    while you are attempting to educate yourselves,  go discover what voting "present" does, who does it,  and why.  
    continue to look as stupid as you always do.

    note to aliy... Obama was elected to the US Senate in 2004
    he has more elective office experience than Palin and Honest Abe.
    and  Aliy,    you keep doing this:- once might be a typo...but you do it so frequently it is ignorance or stupidity...you choose.
    "...And by the way, Earmarks are suppose ..."     the word is supposed . maybe if you pronounced it properly you could use it properly.

    and bubbles,   here's one for you:

    listen only to the conservatives like this one:
  • JackieM
    Poor obama!  he'd better enjoy his $13,000/night hotel while it lasts because he hopefully will only serve one term or less.  i would like to see him impeached, thrown out on his ass and unemployed!  however, i wish nothing but the best for him in his after office endeavors as long as he doesn't affect the welfare of our country!  ha! could me and the crook ever be friends?  i don't have to think about that one!  i would like to see him have the same problems the middleclass have right now.  he needs to really understand the magnitude of his decisions.  currently, he is above all of that and is only looking out for his political future so that is what he bases his policies around.  he just wants to look good and keep up his celebrity status.  the polls are showing he is failing!
  • MR. BUD
    God help me, YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME!  I'm laughing so hard over here I have to leave my computer and then come back after awhile.  (I'm sure glad you all are on my side - glad I'm not Dora)

    He's had it - things are already going downhill for him and it too will get worse.  He is at the end of his political rope - he has gone as far as he can on lies, lawyers and crooked politics - the people are coming awake.  Liberals beware, you will have no place to run...

    Listen, I have been soaking up everything I can on Sarah Palin.  You know how big of a fan I am anyway.  Every liberal alive is going to try to say something negative about her.  Not only negative, downright nasty!  What we need to do is get behind her NO MATTER WHAT.  Whether she runs in 2012 or not.  I think she will do something in 2010.  DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYTHING LIBERALS SAY.  They are so scared right now they will say or do anything.  I know she will already be making public speaches and fundraisers for the republican party.

    Keep up the posting.
  • Leslie H.
    Hey- Let's not be so hard on him, its hard to decide which way to vote without George Soros whispering in his ear.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--now we have to give obama credit here--it takes a lot of effort to vote present!  LOL!  that is what i call not earning his salary.  when has he ever stood up and taken a stand on anything and gone against his own party?  when has he shown he was a true leader and fought for what is right and stood up to pelosi, reid, dodd and frank?  when has he shown that he didn't have a "politics as usual" administration?  hmmmmm!  i guess we can answer never to each an every question!  what a born follower and appeaser obama is!  surprise, surprise!  what a gift from the devil himself!
  • JackieM
    Aliy--your comment:  Of course, she fails to point out that he's broken most of them since taking office.

    hahahahahahahahaahaha!  i'm getting a stomach ache laughing!  oh i have to stop before i throw up!

    well, you can add failed community activist to the list of accomplishments too!  what makes me gag is the fact that obama took one of his cronies from Chicago (there were several) who was over education and put him in his cabinet.  Chicago's education system is and has been in shambles and obama was involved in this during his time as an activist.  i know a lot of folks in Chicago that have lived there for a very long time and they have children in the school system.  they said obama and his cronies made a mess of the system and it went down hill even more when obama got involved.  so let's give it up for obama!  his qualifications definitely beat Palin's--NOT!  of course, Palin has that small thing called experience in managing budgets and their own business as well as experience in reining in spending and common sense!  now the idiots on the left can't forget she has experience in energy too!  oh boy, she is just so much more qualified than obama it really isn't a competition.  what do you want to bet that she would know what was in a bill before she signed it?  hmmmmm!  i think that is a novel idea!  i'll bet Palin understands what it is like to struggle raising a family too!  oh, i forgot--she does!  ha!  obama is a f...... idiot! 

    biden has come out 3 times in the past 4 days saying they "mis-read" the economic situation.   this is just too unbelievable!  leave it up to biden to admit that obama and his idiots don't know what in the hell is going on!  this proves it.  i guess economists and folks like us who have common sense were discounted again for not knowing what we were talking about!  ha!  WRONG! 

    dora needs to start listening to us.  everything we have predicted and more has come true about this moron obama!  she can go back as Bud did and read our posts from six months ago and get proof!  keep supporting obama, dora!  you are showing your stupidity.  why don't you urge obama to help his poor elderly aunt.  i think he can afford to give her a meal or two and some spending money at the very least!  that would save taxpayers some money!  obama said everyone should sacrifice and he isn't unless you include his expensive date night on the taxpayer's dime.  i guess he really wanted to fly to France and thought he would save money by flying within the US all in the name of fun during an economic crisis.  wonder what a family who has lost their home and jobs could buy for $25,000.  you guys don't give a damn about helping anyone but yourselves!
  • Jr Accountant
    Oooh yes, Hilary would make a wonderful Judas but too obvious... She almost already has the beard for it.
  • Leslie H.
    My guess is Hillary will be his Judas, a simple cabinet position could never satisfy a Clinton.  Of course, I could see Joe Biden accidentally betraying the "Messiah," I think an offer for free botox and a hair club for men membership would be enough to have him singing like a bird.
  • Jr Accountant

    I have no idea who will be his Judas but OMG I've got my fingers crossed it's that tool Geithner ;)
  • aliy
    I thought the numbers Dora put in here about all those bills Obama sponsored and co-sponsored sounded fishy so I went straight to congress and got the REAL info from the US CONGRESS website:

    Between 4/08 and 10/08 they were 99 bills voted on:

    0 Were Obama sponsored, supporter, or written

    80 of them Obama voted "present"

    This is direct from Congress not whatever idiot source Dora's using this time.

    I really think she makes a lot of this stuff up. over 1,000 bills in how much time was he actaully IN office? Plus travelling the world bringing peace to war torn countries, having his feet washed by peasants. All that's missing from Obama's story according to Dora is a cross and a guy named Pontius Pilot! Any guesses on who in his cabinet will be Judas?
  • aliy
    Dora won't comment on this because it's FACT.

    Planned Parenthood is being investigated in Alabama for hiding rape cases involving minors, and showing children how to skirt the law to get an abortion. All on tape baby. The AG in Alabama is "disturbed" by this and has launched an investigation.  They are being investigated in LA for taking money which was "earmarked" for killing only black babies!!! Some investigative reporter called up and said "I want to make sure this money is ONLY going to pay for abortions of black babies" and the freaking nuts at PP said "we can do that"!!!!!!

    Biden has come out 3 times in the past 4 days saying they "mis-read" the economic situation. They didn't Mis-read the economic situation of this country, they told us, "pass this stimulus or we're going to see a depression like the Great Depression!" What they actually did was lie about the fact that the stimulus was going to help!!! We're STILL in the great depression and climbing further and further away from fixing it everyday. Umemployment is 9.5% and Dora can call me stupid all she wants. This stuff is FACT.

    Obama is in Russia trying to sign a treaty to DISARM!! They want Russia to get rid of weapons and we'll get rid of some too. Anyone else starting to think the only ones left with Nukes are going to be IRAN and KOREA soon?

    Conyers is STILL not talking about why once his wife took $10,000 in bribes he suddenly felt it OK to approve her pet projects.

    And by the way, Earmarks are suppose to be used to fix infasturcture, the only things provided by the federal government are suppose to be roads, military (police) and schools. Everything else is free market. You can't tell me paving a road between two farmers for $38 MILLION in a town of less than 1500 people is for the better of the county. It's only going to benefit those two farmers!! You know what, let the frigin money they pay from their cows farting pay for the road, don't put it in a stimulus. Common Sense people.
  • aliy
    Dora's "challenging" us? She keeps saying she's challenging us? She's not challenging us, she's calling us stupid, and bubbles and a lot worse. I would be MORE than happy to have a respectful conversation with her but that's just not going to happen as long as she feels her whole argument hinges on calling me names.
    Get over yourself Dora. We ALL Know who the real dumb ass is on this site.
  • Leslie H.
    Dora, If you read the link I posted during the campaign he promised to cut earmarks in half .... hasn't happened.  He promised earmark reform ....didn't do it.  After the omnibus bill he bragged that there wasn't a single earmark in it and there were over 8,000.  You can split hairs over the exact language he used in his promises about earmarks, but the bottom line is he lied!  and by the way, for someone who claims to be so well informed I noticed that you often quote leftists sites (like media matters), you claim that the rest of us are ignorant sheep, but maybe you should try getting facts from a site that isn't known for distorting them.
  • aliy
    Dora pointed out:

    Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.

    Of course, she fails to point out that he's broken most of them since taking office.
  • Dora
    typical asinine comment: Dora-- Go back to your little fantasy world where gay people can marry and babies are killed at will when you don't like the hair color. Where everyone else pays for you to maintain a lifestyle where you don't have to contribute.~ Aliy

    How did you get this stupid, Aliy-  do you take lessons or were you just born this way?  Have you read a newspaper lately? 
    Tell me,  what is this "lifestyle" that I maintain supported by you and unnamed countless others?  While you are at it,  why not specifiy the "gay agenda"  since none of my gay friends know what it is we are supposed to be doing.  How many babies have been killed for their hair colour?   How many people have you known personally to have done this.   Lady,  you need some serious book study.   Seriously!
  • Dora
    On the July 1 edition of his Fox News show, Sean Hannity again falsely claimed that Obama made a campaign promise of "no earmarks." Fox News contributor Karl Rove responded: "And, again, he broke that one." In fact, as Media Matters for America has noted, during his presidential campaign, Obama actually promised to reform the earmark process and cut wasteful spending, not to end all earmarks.
    Hannity has repeatedly made the false claim that Obama promised to ban all earmarks. On March 6, for instance, Hannity aired a clip of Obama stating, "We are going to ban all earmarks, the process by which individual members insert pet projects without review." However, in those comments, which were taken from a January 6 <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2009%2F01%2F06%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2F06text-obama.html%3F_r%3D4%26pagewanted%3D1%26partner%3Dpermalink%26exprod%3Dpermalink" title="http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2009%2F01%2F06%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2F06text-obama.html%3F_r%3D4%26pagewanted%3D1%26partner%3Dpermalink%26exprod%3Dpermalink http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/us/politics/0... rel="nofollow">media availability -- not during the presidential campaign, as Hannity suggested -- Obama was actually referring to his desire to "ban all earmarks" from his "recovery and reinvestment plan," which he specifically distinguished from "the overall budget process."
  • Leslie H.
    Dora, In response to your comment that the Prez never made a promise of no earmarks ... I offer you this: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/151768...
    I know you're a stickler for facts (read sarcasm here) so I'm sure this will be right up your alley.
  • JackieM
    dora's comment about obama's accommodations--hmmmm!  let's see--$13,000 or something more reasonable.  there goes that liberal way of thinking again.  i would think that IF he was truly in touch with the American people, he would know that people are losing jobs and can't feed their families.  so being a responsible person and the best person to follow his own advice of everyone having to sacrifice, it is only logical that he would cut his own expenses.  who gives a damn about previous leaders and their expenses?  we are in an economic crisis and obama has shot off his mouth time and time again.  he is also wasting more money than Bush, you moron!  look at our deficits!  oh yeah, i forgot it is a "do as I say and not as I do" mentality for your party!  ha!  who did not know this?  so you need to start holding him accountable for his words too, dora!  so we should just be happy that our taxes are going to increase so that obama can continue to live in the lap of luxury while a lot of folks struggle to pay their bills?  hmmm!  dora's dumb comment proves that liberals have no common sense!
  • Aliy
    Amber, Amber, Amber. So confused. It's not CO2 (which is what plants need to survive) doing a number on the environment, it's carbon MONOXIDE. Which is that black plume of smoke coming from the back of your car!

    My liberal rep in particular is a total hipocrit on this one since he's done NOTHING to curb monoxide pollutants (simple car inspections can control the amount of THAT which we throw up into the air but we don't need those) and is behind this crazy Cap and Trade bill which totally leaves the REAL damaging carbon mixes off the list. I believe the bill is lacking and attacking the wrong thing.

    So, it's not that we don't think we have a responsibility to the environment, it's that we believe you are attacking the wrong substances. A cow farts and you're going to tax it as you drive by in your jaloopy sufficating everything in your wake. Common sense dear. Common sense.
  • DS
    God still loves you Dora....even though you are blind to spiritual things and continue to blaspheme Him!  There is a spiritual law which I'm sure you've heard before.  God says that "You will reap what you sow."  Remember that Dora, as EVEN atheists CANNOT escape that law.  It is one of those laws of the universe, as is gravity.
  • Dora
    Obama is in Russa on official business.   Did you think he should have brought along a pup tent for sleeping?  

    George W. Bush, for example, traveled frequently to his Texas ranch ( 77 times- using Air Force One) for vacations and R&R. Bill Clinton went to Martha's Vineyard for vacations in the summer. George H.W. Bush often traveled to his retreat in Kennebunkport, Maine, for breaks from Washington.
    The opposition party sometimes jumps on these trips and argues that the president is being extravagant or sending the wrong signal of self-indulgence to the country. That's what's happening to Obama now.
    Sean Hannity and Karl Rove falsely claimed that President Obama made a campaign promise of "no earmarks." In fact, Obama actually promised to reform the earmark process and cut wasteful spending, not to end all earmarks. 

  • amber
    Nice work dora, good to see some facts here from time to time.
  • amber
    greetings from australia
  • Dora
    1)   I have NEVER said "No, sir, I hate you!"  to you, to anyone on this blog, to any person in the world- nor have I ever written it-EVER.

    2)   Your constant misuse of the English language is an indication of your utter inability to capture and understand simple facts and is indicative of a lack of education.

    3)   I am well aware of Obama's record with regard to promises made,  statements made,  and current record as well as his past record.   You, on the other hand,  are NOT.    Your "list"  contained in previous posts are  consistent with your unfortunate level of education.  You want to list things at least get them correct. 
    Start here:  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

    4)   Your statements regarding "community organizers"  is so off-the-wall bat shit crazy that you render further statements equally absurd.  Start getting yourself informed- you can start here:

    5)   Your statements regarding lobbyists indicates that you have no understanding of who they are and what they are paid to do for the organizations or businesses or communities they represent.   The problems come not from the lobbyists but from lawmakers who are easily influenced by them.    Pork and earmarks are not bad words.
    We hire representatives to go to Washington to address our community or state needs.   Your continued lack of understanding regarding earmarks is astounding.  The word  "pork" actually came about when making reference to representatives "bringing home the bacon".    Your statement insisting that Obama inserted ANYTHING into ANY bill is absurd.    Stop foaming at the mouth over things about which you know nothing. 

    6)   Your absurd statements regarding achievements of Sarah VS Obama are again,  bat-shit crazy and entirely non-factual.
    Your claims that Obama has done nothing but vote "present"  is entirely non-factual.
    As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>

    Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories.

    He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

    Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.

    He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.

    Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>

    Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.

    joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

    Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans

    Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.

    ** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.

    **The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
    is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.

    **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
    Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
    Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.

    **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill

    ** The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.

    ** S116 - Summer Learning demonstration project to provide summer learning grants and encourage new teaching methods.

    and this one, moved out of committee just a few days ago:
    Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007, passed out of committee just a few days ago
    WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.
    http://obama.senate.gov /

    7)   I have stated before and will do so again here-  I came here to correct misinformation that you,  Bud, DS,  the (now invisible)  host,
    and the ever nasty, foul mouthed, misinformed Jackie/Titus constantly regurgitate here.   When you place lies out as facts- these need to be addressed.   Statements made that this is a conservative site and I have no right to post or complain here  while you - at the same time,  wrap the American flag around yourselves and proclaim that you are the only "true"  Americans and anyone who disagrees with you should just leave the country indicates that you have utterly no understanding what America is all about.  
    Jackie/Titus readily admits that she will allow no liberal person or thought - ever-  into her home.   That's about as closed minded as is possible.   She brags about this.    High morals and family values are not exclusive to any party.   Just as scandels are not exclusive to any party.

    8)   Sanford's Argentine girlfriend was not nor was she ever a "pole dancer".   As far as I have seen,  YOU  are the only one in the world who has ever made this claim.   With this story getting front page attention in every state in the country, one would think that you could - at least- get this right.... but no.

    9)    Anyone here who quotes anything Glenn Beck as a source for anything is automatically dismissed.   Anyone repeating Hannity talking points is automatically dismissed.   Anyone repeating Bill O'Reilly statements that have already been proven false is automatically dismissed.     Anyone who backs their arguement for any legislation based upon their religion is automatically dismissed.

    10)   I have challenged you or anyone else here to address any item  in Media Matters and find where they are wrong.   No one
    here has ever done this yet you continue to dismiss them as not being credible.   Prove it. 

    Aliy-   You have elected to remain stupid.  That is your choice. 
    You and Jackie constantly plop out there common negative stereotypes and generalizations regarding entire races,  religions,  communities,  political parties,  and more-  with no basis in fact.
    You look as stupid as you obviously are.
  • amber
    how can you conservatives feel we have no obligation to the environment, in particular carbon emissions ????????
  • Aliy
    Lesson for a Liberal:

    A Job is a task for which you are compensated.

    A Job is NOT an employer adopting you and your family.

    The whole employer offering insurance is NOT a right. It started with companies offering that to draw in the best and brightest employees as a form of above and over compensation.

    There is no "right" to your employer adopting you. They carry comp insurance so that you are covered from 9-5, to say you have a "right" to suck them for insurance from 5:01-8:59 is a bunch of crap!

    If you insist they pay insurace for you, expect to have your wages lowered. Or, what's worse, you get fired because they can't afford YOU AND insurance for you.

    This is what's going on with the illegal maids in NY right now. They want to be considered employees and they want the homes owners they clean for to start paying them on the books, give them insurance and vacation time, 401K's and other benefits!!!

    They haven't got a RIGHT to any of that, it use to be an incentive to draw the brightest and best employees out there. Now, everyone thinks they are entitled to it!

    Dora says we ignore facts, there's a fact for you, notice she's not going to chime in with anything, I might get a "No sir, I hate you!" but that's about all she going to contribute here.
  • Aliy
    Mr Bud-- I'm sorry about your business. It's really bad and there are companies out there just responding to the climiate (and I don't mean the CO2 in the air, I mean, the laws they are about to pass)

    I predict you're going to see more bad news come down the pike as they pass these stupid laws that are going to destroy business. Things like:

    1. Small stores are going to be open only a few hours a day, a few days a week so the owners don't have to cover costs associated with having employees.

    2. Products are going to get cheaper and less effective as they have to worry more about pollution and less about making a quality product.

    Some things no a days are the free market responding to the current preposals on the house floor. Of course, liberals are going to say it's all Bush's fault. It's not, it's the free market acting "freely" to line themselves up to not pay the stupid taxes and penalties coming down the pike.
  • Aliy
    Jr. You want a list of what Obama promised, when, where and what became of it, go see my posts (roughly) 628-634.
  • Aliy
    Jackie-  I like Palin because where I always thought if we went into the middle east we should be getting oil for our soldiers, that is how they can pay us back. Of course, that's not a really political thing to think, I think Palin would ask that question.

    People in Washington might call it stupid, liberals might say it shows she's out of touch with Washington but didn't they vote for Obama because he promised to shake up the old Washington? (of course, that was before he tried to hire a bunch of lobbiests, and put in BILLION of special interest projects in his bills, reneged on all his promises) But isn't the "not Washington as usual" EXACTLY what they voted for?

    I think we need someone who pumps her own gas, I think we need someone who's going to go "HOW MUCH IS A GALLON OF MILK!?" We need someone who's NOT washington as usual. We need Sarah Palin.
  • Aliy
    Dora-- Go back to your little fantasy world where gay people can marry and babies are killed at will when you don't like the hair color. Where everyone else pays for you to maintain a lifestyle where you don't have to contribute.

    I've noticed that when we talk opinion you chime in with how stupid we are, but when we are posting things like articles, and direct quotes from your messiah you suddenly dissapear.

    Like when I brought up Conyers bribe? You suddenly aren't there anymore. But Sanford screws a pole dancer and here you come! Where's the defense of the bribe? Or when I listed the promises Obama made, backed up with time, place and date, and how he broke them all, where were you to stick up for him then? You know we're right and you're wrong. That is why you only chime in when we're not talking real fact, because you KNOW we're right. "No Sir! I hate you" is a valid arugment and that seems to be all you'll contribute to this site.

    With that being said, call me all the names in the world you want, you're a waste of space.

    PS- I really hope you didn't bother celebrating the 4th of July since you're one of those people who hate America, think our founding fathers were wrong, and want to form a new country with different rules, laws, morales and standards. You don't believe in America, you shouldn't be having a party to celebrate what you don't believe in.
  • Aliy
    Dora, you say of Palin:

    Questions of ethics topped the list of problems associated with Palin.  Questions regarding experience.

    ALL the ethics complaints you liberals tried to throw at her to discredit her were dismissed.

    Also, let me remind you. YOUR candidate (who by the way, is president now) wasn't even a gov. he had even LESS experience than her!!!! He was an idiot who voted "present" on every frigin issue he faced.

    Here we go again with the double standard, it's political suicide to have little experience if you're a republican but all you have to do to get elected as a democrat is give a speech in your old neighborhood and call yourself a "community organizer". You know what my community organizer does here? She plans frigin block parites!!! How does THAT give anyone the qualifications to be president?
  • JackieM
    Bud--i really hate to hear that your business is not going well this year.  it is terrible for most folks right now.  i'm really afraid it will continue to get worse due to obama's hatred of business.  i hope i'm wrong on this one for everyone's sake.  we need jobs right now and obama is trying to stifle them.  we all know what he says and what he does is two different things.

    Love your jingle!

    I would like to add two more points to your list about Sarah Palin.  She understands how to manage money and this is reflected in her management of the state's budget and her own personal finances.  In addition, Palin understands business because she and her husband have operated one themselves.  So out of your list and mine, where does obama fit in?  no where!  he has no experience and is not qualified to be the leader of our nation much less a garbage man.  of course, we can see that by his lack of leadership and bad policies.  his law degree has not helped him either.  he doesn't understand that he needs to understand documents that he signs!  what a moron!  i would not hire him to be my attorney or my garbage man! 

    i don't know if i heard it correctly, but i understand that obama's suite in Russia is costing us $13,000/night.  is this correct?  if so, no more needs to be said about his arrogance.  there is too much proof to back up everything we've said.  of course, we the taxpayers should gladly turn over more of our hard earned money to this SOB while he lives it up in the lap of luxury.  we should be grateful this SOB is going to raise our taxes--NOT!
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, you mentioned small businesses.  I have been a small business owner for 41 years now and have always been pretty secure.  Even in the Clinton days.  We got our report on our business just recently for the first quarter and we did only 38% of the gross business in 2009 as we did the first quarter of 2008.  We deal with about 500 other businesses nationwide.  Right now, we do not see it getting any better.  This year is the first year we have had companies go bankrupt and leave owing us.  We have a company every now and then that made a bad investment and goes under but this year it is real bad.
  • MR. BUD
    Here's a little jingle:  (Gotta sing this jingle)

    I got spurs - that jingle, jangle, jingle.
    My candidate's - a woman and she's legal.

    She's not like the president.
    She's a legal resident

    And I'll go and vote for when the time comes.......
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, you have been right on about Obama from the start.  Everything from his silver tongue, to all his lies!  I was going back through some of our post the other night and got so interested in them, I spent the whole evening reading.  I am amazed as to how many times we have been right on about Obama.  I am equally amazed as to how someone could read all the truth we have printed and still not see what we see.

    Jackie, MARK THIS ONE...  Sarah Palin is the BIGGEST threat the liberals have right now and will have in the future.  Here's why.  Sarah Palin is a WIFE, MOTHER, CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICAN, CHRISTIAN and more.  She represents EVERYTHING liberals hate.  They are now going to lie, cheat, make scenes, to make people believe stuff that isn't real, and on and on bout her. 

    1.  She believes in the sanctity of life. 
    2.  She believes in one man and one woman marriage.  
    3.  She believes we should use our own energy. 
    4.  She believes we got attacked on 9-11 and not the other way around.  5.  She says if you are in this country illegal, you're breaking our laws, and you have no right to be here.  (That is a right you have to earn.)

    I am sure we are going to hear more negative about her from the press than what is real...

  • MR. BUD
    Dora (719)  Dora, you kill me. Why do you hang around if it's not worth your time? I will never try to understand you again girl, I PROMISE!
  • JackieM
    Bud--regardless of what her political future holds, i admire Palin's decision.  she is not selfish and doesn't want to waste the taxpayer's money on frivolous lawsuits.  in addition, she wants to be effective in any position she holds and doesn't want to merely be a pretty face.  she wants to make a difference in this country.  besides this, she loves her family and wants to uphold family values.  democrats don't understand this because they have no morales or values.  how smart is that!  i love it!  caring about the taxpayers is something democrats/liberals don't understand.  the don't have a clue about how to grow this economy and are destroying it.  the whole obama administration, congress and the senate proves this!  obama and his supporters are self-centered freaks who don't give a damn about the welfare of our nation or its principals.   

    i recall a post dora made long ago in response to one of mine.  i posted about how obama would stifle small businesses and more jobs will be lost.  well, dora came back with her usual nasty rhetoric and merely quoted obama.  she said, "obama said....blah, blah, blah."  i laughed at that time and am laughing now because what i said has proven to be true.  common sense dictates this.   proof is in the pudding now and small businesses are and will continue to suffer under obama's dictatorship.  obama is destroying this economy and is a threat to our nation.  he will cause another economic disaster after this one because that is his agenda.  he is stupid and doesn't have any experience but he knows as long as he can do what the ignorant (his supporters) want regardless of whether it will work or not, he will be popular with them.  what fools!  i really hate to see people suffering, but as we know obama doesn't give a damn.  his treatment of his poor elderly aunt proves this.
  • MR. BUD
    Dora, we are running all the FREEKIN liberal republicans out of this party!  I am posting on every site I post on that "IF YOU ARE A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN AND SARAH PALIN OFFENDS YOU - GET THE HELL OUT"!  Go join the stupid democrats.  Go crawl up a liberal tree, WE DON'T NEED YOU.  THEY NEED YOU MORE THAN WE DO ANYMORE.  We got Sarah...

    If you think she offends you now, wait around awhile.  YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET BABY!  Liberals are going to be jumping out of trees and off of buildings.  You're going to hear all kinds of noises from here on out.   The loudness of the noise will depend on how big your fan is.  The bigger your fan, the louder the noise.  It may not smell so good either...  PREPARE YOURSELF DORA AND ALL YOUR OTHER LIBERAL FRIENDS - IT'S COMING YOUR WAY AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!
  • JackieM
    Jr Accountant--your comment:  But let's be fair, it wouldn't be the first time we've gotten the old bait and switch from a President, huh!

    i agree.  however, his plan to not fulfill his promises was obvious during the campaign!  that is why the left are ignorant!  we saw obama promising everything to every group in the country.  nothing but good ole common sense would be needed to see that his promises were nothing but lies.  in addition, his economic plan was/is a joke but people were dumb enough to buy into that too!  i am glad to see the slow (some democrats) are beginning to call him on his lies!  even a left-winged reporter challenged Gibbs the other day on this administration's promise of transparency.
  • JackieM
    Jr Accountant--i agree with your post.  isn't it interesting that the stupid (obama supporters) had no proof that he could fulfill any of his promises or that he knew what he was talking about.  he had no prior record or experience but those idiots decided to believe him based on "hope."  yeah, and look where we are now!  what happened to his pay as you go promise?  oh yeah, i guess he meant pay as you go unless it is something that he wants to exclude.  even other countries are looking at us and shaking their heads.  thank goodness all of us are not with obama and are not that dumb.  however, the rest of the world probably doesn't know that.  those that are not affected by obama's bad policies or those that are self-centered don't give a damn about how others are suffering so they continue to be the arrogant assholes they always were.  case in point--the liberal on this site!
  • Jr Accountant
    On Jackie's note (#720), Dora forgive me if I'm getting this detail wrong but aren't you a lesbian?

    How do you feel about Obama's campaign promises to gays in the fall that now have all but disappeared? Do you feel like extending federal benefits to partners is progress or just a brush off?

    I apologize if you guys have already argued about this already, just trying to catch up...

    Anyway. It appears to me that Obama promised us all quite a bit and has as yet delivered on none of it. Shocking, isn't? But let's be fair, it wouldn't be the first time we've gotten the old bait and switch from a President, huh!
  • JackieM
    boohhhoo--so dora can't handle the truth!  too bad!
  • JackieM
    Idiot dora--go to the CBO reports, unemployment numbers, unemployment benefits filed and any other legitimate reports and compare these with obama's campaign promises.  you will then see how your moron messiah is failing our country.  but first, you need to start living in reality!
  • dora
    as noted previously-  the filth mouth that comes from a certain party here again indicates:
    1)  limited education
    2) limited vocabulary

    not worth my time
  • dora
    Bubbles-  not that you are able to such simple tasks but I will place it before you nonetheless: 
    Step 1)  go to Google

    Step 2)  enter George F. Will

    Step 3)  learn what this man said regarding your beauty queen this morning on ABC's Sunday Program. 

    Step 4)  get tissue for your tears that you might mourn with some decency and privacy without dripping snot all over your belly.

    Step 5)  be certain to rant and rave about the "liberals"  who have destroyed your beloved ruby slippered lady-   we love it when you look stupid on purpose.
  • dora
    just heard some hot air ...probably more noise escaping from someone's head. 
    not to worry-  it's deflating quickly.  poof !

    poor, poor little wing nut party.   cannot catch a break... cannot get a grip.
  • JackieM
    Dear ever ignorant bubble-dora,  take a look around you-  not just at republicans.  take those hands away from your eyes and LOOK at what YOUR OWN PEOPLE are saying about obama.  LOL!  love it!  an i told you so would be in order.  dora needs to deal with obama's fuckups before worrying about others!  his actions are destroying our country so they are more important right now!  of course, that is unless you are a self-centered asshole and don't care about this country and the suffering of its people!
  • Dora
    Bubbles and company don't live in Alaska-  they have no clue as to the day to day doings there.   They listen to idiots like their guru,  Limbaugh or the comedian/drama queen, Glenn Beck,  and run with whatever noise drips from their faces.  How silly they look. 
    I am in daily contact with several friends living in Alaska-  they follow closely the doings there.   The Alaska papers are available ON LINE for you bubbles-  go read!  It's just not that difficult-  Public records are just that:  PUBLIC.   
    Don't bother me with your attempts at personal insults.  
    Your imagined persecution,  ignorant statements,  and entirely unfounded self-righteous behavior is a comedy script waiting for a writer.
  • Dora
    Dear ever ignorant bubbles,  take a look around you-  not just at progressives, democrats, left leaners, or liberals.   take those hands away from your eyes and LOOK at what YOUR OWN PEOPLE are saying.

    It's no secret that it takes old dogs longer to learn.   Takes your fingers out of your ears and listen.   You can belittle me all you wish-  doesn't change the facts regarding your poor, pitiful wanna be politician who just does not have what it takes.   If she looked like Susan Boyle,  you would not even give her a second glance.  Try to think with something other than your over-used zipper.   You are so pathetic old man.
    The only other state-wide office Palin held she also QUIT.  She can dish it, but cannot take it.  Not at all quality material for someone who had vague thoughts regarding the oval office or some close proximity.   Keep in mind,  with her hubby's activities,  he most likely would not even be given security clearance to gain access to the White House grounds.   There are numerous ethics probes that have dogged her since her little stint as mayor.  Long,  long before any national spotlight was placed in her direction.  Long before.  
    Democrats,  in fact,  would WELCOME her as a candidate for President, you fool-   did you ever slice cold butter with a warm knife?  It's too easy.  
    Damn,  bubbles-  get the hell off of your lazy ass and read something sometime.
  • JackieM
    I just find this all funny!  liberals/democrats have no right to say Palin is not qualified.  of course, they will because they are incapable of telling the truth.  lying is what they do best.  how in the hell do they have the nerve to say this when their messiah was a community activist?  LOL!  he is a dumb idiot!  he wasn't a senator long enough to say he had experience there.  the left-winged nuts are being idiots as usual.  obama has proven that he has no clue what to do as a leader because he isn't one.  we see this in his failed policies everyday!  the liberals/democrats are making fools of themselves once again!  if i called them asses, that would a polite word for them!  they need to be hiding in shame right.  obama has continued to screw this country!  compared to obama, Palin has every qualification she needs and more.  oh, did i mention that Palin also has common sense.  that is a trait that is missing from the left!
  • MR. BUD
    Dora (711) Facts,  Bud,  Aliy,  DS,  and Jackie... pesky little things that you constantly ignore.  Facts. 

    Dora, WE (DS, Aliy, Jackie, Bud, Jr, RaDena and LeslieH) ARE THE PESKY LITTLE THINGS!

    YOU ARE WAY TO OBVIOUS GIRL!  You gotta lay low a little longer.  When Sarah Palin's name is mentioned, IT SHAKES THE WHOLE LIBERAL TREE!  Every liberal in the world reacts...  Every liberal news outlet is scrambling with dirty little remarks and you have added yours.

    When we shake that tree here on this site, old Dora falls out...  BAM!  When you come out of that tree you're like a tazmanian devil, WHIRLING AND SPEWING!  I'm cracking up over here in Oklahoma - ha, ha, ha, I have been waiting for this moment.  I am still laughing.  This was sooooo predictable.  DON'T TELL ME YOU CAN'T SEE YOURSELF IN YOUR OWN STUPIDITY!
  • Dora
    Anchorage resident Sondra Tompkins, child disability advocate and mother of a special needs child, is filing the complaint after observing Governor Palin repeatedly display "a pattern of unethical behavior." Sondra believes that the tipping point for her was Sarah Palin's most recent abdication of her role as Governor and apparent conflict-of-interest when she spoke at two outside events in Indiana rather than work with the Alaska Legislature during the most critical time, the end of the session.
    The complaint alleges:
    a) Governor Palin has entered into a contract outside of her official duties with the donors, employees, partners and any or all other participants involved in Sarah PAC.
    b) The recent partisan trip to Indiana by the Governor was purely to benefit personal interests, had no benefit for the State of Alaska and was in direct conflict with her official duties.
    c) The Governor left the State to participate in these events during the most critical end-of-session Legislative activities, at a time where the legislators themselves are not permitted to leave.
    Facts,  Bud,  Aliy,  DS,  and Jackie... pesky little things that you constantly ignore.  Facts.
  • Dora
    Aliy-  it's too late-  you already look like an ass.
  • Dora
    Amber,  You must understand something regarding the Palin fanatics here:  they are like toddlers who,  if they hide their eyes,  they are certain that they are invisible.
    Some here have even been so blinded as to state that liberals shake in their shoes and pee in their pants at the mere mention of Sarah Palin.  They have yet to understand that the "quaking" is attributed to laughing uncontrollably over any suggestion that this woman can be taken seriously ...ever.  Peeing in one's pants is  a result of uncontrolled hysterical laughter.
    Palin,  from day one,  was a joke.  Yes,  she's attractive.  Take that and a doorknob and what have you got?   A pretty doorknob.  The VP slot selection was a fanatic last ditch effort made by the GOP in a transparent move to attract attention to McCain's dreadful campaign- a campaign that resorted to busing in people to put butts in the seats of a McCain event.
    After the announcement came regarding the Palin selection,  it took me all of an hour to read items that the GOP - after months of "searching"  and "vetting" failed to find or opted to ignore.  Palin brought with her (and to the campaign)  some serious heavy baggage that would overtax the campaign and sink the ship.  Questions of ethics topped the list of problems associated with Palin.  Questions regarding experience.  Questions of cronyism.
    Questions regarding advocating  religious legislation.  Questionable firings of personnel.
    Questions regarding her support of and her husband's 7-year membership of an extremist group advocating secession from the Union.  Questions of an individual claiming moral high ground and family values yet was not able to maintain this in her own personal life or her family life.  Lots and lots of questions.  Even setting all of this aside,  ALL of it   Ms Palin was totally inept with regards to foreign affairs..  Zero- nada- nothing in her brain regarding even the duties of the Vice President as specified in the Constitution.
    The McCain handlers realized the full scope of their problem and kept Palin from the press while they tried to apply band-aids and plug holes.  Finally, after realizing that people just don't buy shoes without trying them on first,  they "allowed" her to be interviewed.  The result?  Disaster.  The bridge to nowhere that she supported before she was against it topped the list immediately since this had become the "mavericky" gold star she claimed for herself.  The debt left to Wasilla following her job there.  The many, many problems with her abilities and history simply did not match the claims being made by the GOP.
    Palin supporters developed selective amnesia, bedazzled by her ruby slippers,   noteworthy and respected journalists did not   Palin (and her followers) like to point at the "media",  the blogosphere,  the leftists,  the talking heads,  the you-name-it's, for sinking the ticket.   Palin was the direct and absolute cause for the sinking and why even conservative "talking heads",  conservative newspapers, respected GOP officials, individuals, and former GOP elected officials  all endorsed Obama over McCain.  McCain's selection of Palin called into question the Senator's judgment.
    Palin did herself no favors by electing to abdicate her current office.  If her supporters had hoped for any run by her in 2012,  this single action popped that balloon but good.  She is being called a quitter.  Being in the White House is a stress-filled job 24-hours a day for 4 solid years- eight years if re-elected.  Palin couldn't even handle the pressures of governing a state for a full term- much of which was spent away from the state.  Palin likes the glory and the bennys of elected office but shunned the responsibilities required and eroded the trust of her own people with questionable and unethical activity and absence from the office itself.  This does not a good resume' make.  She has no one to blame but herself.
  • Aliy
    Jackie--Good luck with a stubborn relative, been there, done that!

    Leslie-- I'm going to talk to my doctor about it because I really, really want to get out from under the current insurance company I have and I would not suggest them to ANYONE, I have NEVER been handed a policy and then had to fight on a regular basis for them to honor it!

    Bud- Sarah Palin is releasing statements today that bigger, better is coming! I think Sarah is up to a bigger race too. I think she should go after one of those senate seats opening up because that would give her a little more experience in foriegn affairs before 2012.

    The only problem, after talking to people who were on the fence about her, they think quitting was a bad move. The going gets tough, she ran away. And that's their perception. 

    I'm trying to explain if she's going to head out on the stump trail she just doesn't want Alaska to pay her a salary while she's doing something else, but I think if she had said "I'm running for this" THEN quit, they would have a different impression of what she was doing.

    Amber- You ever heard of holding your tongue until you have the whole story so you don't look like an ass?
  • MR. BUD
    We found the birth certificate.  I have a picture of it on my web site...
  • MR. BUD
    Palin resignation ignites 2012 speculation

    WASILLA, Alaska -  Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's surprise announcement on Friday that she's stepping down from the post at the end of this month has set off a storm of speculation about her next political move.
     Supporters and critics alike say the former GOP vice presidential candidate's resignation as governor is an inexplicable move for a high profile Republican widely seen as a contender for a White House run in 2012.
     Palin's abrupt announcement rattled the Republican Party but left open the possibility of a presidential run. She and her staff are keeping mum on her future plans.
     Palin's spokesman, David Murrow, said the governor didn't say anything to him about this being her "political finale."
     "She's looking forward to serving the public outside the governor's chair," he said.
     And Pam Pryor, a spokeswoman for Palin's political action committee, said the group continues to accept donations on its Web site, which saw an uptick in contributions Friday afternoon.
     The announcement caught even current and former Palin advisers by surprise. Former members of Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign team, now dispersed across the country, traded perplexed e-mails and phone calls about the vice presidential nominee's decision to step down.
     In a hastily arranged news conference at her home in Wasilla, a suburb of Anchorage, Palin said she had decided against running for re-election as Alaska's governor, and believed it was best to leave office even though she had 1.5 years left to her term. Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell will take her place.
     "Many just accept that lame duck status, and they hit that road," Palin said. "They draw a paycheck. They kind of milk it. And I'm not going to put Alaskans through that."
     Meghan Stapleton, Palin's personal spokeswoman, shot down speculation that ranged wildly from Palin dropping out of politics altogether to eyeing runs against fellow Alaska Republicans Rep. Don Young and Sen. Lisa Murkowski. Palin's comment about serving outside government refers to the present, she said.
     Stapleton, however, said it's too early to say whether Palin would seek the presidency. In the meantime, the governor will continue to work to bring "positive change as a citizen without a title right now," she said.
     "Her vision is what's best for Alaska, which translates into what's best for America," Stapleton said.
     At the news conference, Palin alluded to how she could help change the country and help military members - an indication that she didn't think her time on the national stage was over.
     Palin's decision not to seek re-election is a familiar one for those considering a presidential campaign. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney chose not to seek another term as he geared up for an unsuccessful 2008 presidential bid. Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has announced he won't seek another term, giving him plenty of free time ahead of a potential 2012 bid. But Romney completed his term and Pawlenty plans to finish his.
     Palin, 45, also has the potential to make far more money in the private sector than the $125,000 or so she has been making as governor. She already had a deal with publisher HarperCollins to produce her memoirs, with publication planned for next spring. Terms of the deal have not been disclosed. Six-figure book deals are common for high-profile political figures.
     Pro-family leader, Gary Bauer, says he's not surprised that some liberal commentators are describing Palin's sudden resignation as political suicide. He says the liberals are gloating believing they have kocked off another conservative leader.
     But Bauer says while the Left's attacks against Palin have been savage enough to drive almost anyone from office, he doesn't believe she is running from a fight. According to Bauer, the resignation frees Palin up to campaign in the lower 48 states, build a top notch political organization and improve her issue development work. " In six months," Bauer says, " we will know whether the gamble worked, but I for one am hoping it does." 
     Another possible GOP contender for the White House in 2012, Mitt Romney, issued a statement Friday wishing Palin and her family well. He said "I know she will continue to be a strong voice in the Republican Party."

    MARK MY WORDS - Sarah Palin is getting ready to screw with the minds of liberals more than she already has.  THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT ALREADY.  You ain't seen nothing yet Amber...
  • amber
    you all are very quiet about palin
  • Leslie H.
    Aliy, I don't know if they cover all pre-existing conditions, but they cover things that are considered medical necessities.  You need a doctor to state that you (a.)have a pre-existing condition, and this is why you can't get medical coverage, and (b.) treatment for this condition is essential to your health.  I had some abnormal/precancerous cells, so I was covered until I had a clean bill of health.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--Thanks!  Yes, my MIL's doctor had an occupational therapist come to her house.  she watched her take a shower and made sure she could take care of herself and left.  it was a joke.  I told my MIL that it would be a cold day in hell before anyone invaded my privacy like that.  My MIL was not happy about the situation but refuses to help herself even though she is fully capable of exercising at home.  She lives in a crappy small, small town that is about 90% welfare.  it is very difficult to get good doctors there and if some do come they leave shortly after.  however, she won't leave even though we have offered to help her sooo......  i can't too sorry for her i guess.
  • Aliy
    Mr. Bud you said:

    The cost of everything that is associated with health care has to be taken into account before even laying out a plan. EVERYTHING! Our current Administration cannot and will not do that! They are too stupid! But let's you and I talk about the costs.

    The administration has no intention of doing any of that, they made a guess and want congress to vote on it based on this guess. I mentioned in post (roughly 399) that Obama is trying to side step the CBO on the figures for healthcare reform so no one really DOES know what it's going to cost. They just want them to vote on it blindly and trust Obama. When they DO vote on it and it DOES pass then we'll hear that "we need to raise taxes" speech because they "didn't think it was going to cost THIS much, who could have known?!" This is what they are doing with the stimulus now.

    Did you noticed, we ALL said "this is NOT a solution, this will NOT work" and they passed it anyway. I saw Joe Biden the other day on TV talking about it and was all "Wow, who could have seen unemployment hitting 9.5%, None of us saw THIS coming!" WE CONSERVATIVES DID!!!

    It will be the same thing for the healthcare, they don't CARE who they saddle with the bill, just so long as they get stuff ruined they are happy.

    So don't think, just because it's a lot of work and crunching numbers they are not going to pass it anyway. They did with the stimulus, did with cap and trade and they will with healthcare. All we can hope is the next guy (3.5 years from now) reverses all these stupid policies before the whole country is living in poverty begging Washington for more bread or an extra beet to make soup with. (Isn't this how the USSR did it?)
  • Aliy
    DS-also, about they only want to nationalize it. That is BEYOND true. I can't remember names right now but there are liberals running all over the country talking about how they know this plan is going to put private insurance out of business and that's the whole plan! They say they are all in favor of a single payer system and there's nothing conservatives can do to stop it. I wonder if the lobbiests in Washington can stop this train? You have to assume as in bed with a lot of these speical interest people Obama is (first two people he tried to hire were lobbiests) if they came to him and said "you're going to loose our money" he might just block the bill!!!!

    And illegals ARE draining a lot of the system, but so are domestic people too. I know a guy who's brilliant idea of health insurance is to go to the ER when he's sick and skip out on the bill because when a medial bill is on your credit people tend to look at it and go "ah, I've been there" it is one of the only things actually forgiven when you're looking for credit. So what to they care if WE pay more in premiums and deductables to cover them?! Again, it goes back to the supremacy of the non-contributor. They want their say, they want things done their way when it effects them and have NO PROBLEM spending my money to do it.
  • Aliy
    DS- Most of the people who bring these types of lawsuits are the same people who believe in bigger government, so they are happy, there's a task force to look into if or not they can sue a doctor!! We get the satisfaction of not having so many, they think governement is growing but it's actually just enforcing what the "task force" (and I'm telling you, use the people in jury duty, it's citizens, they're already there, they are getting paid to do nothing anyway, use em!) says. It's not really controlling anything.

    And if what Leslie says is true and the government WILL cover pre-existing conditions, then my plan is already in action! I need to look into that because I want to switch insurnce companies (my insurance SUCKS, HUGE premiums, Massive deductable and they deny EVERYTHING) but if I do they are not going to cover my allergy meds, my tendonitis in my knee, or my thyroid!  Which is the only thing holding me hostage at the other company.

    I think THAT is a big thing that's damaging the whole free market thing. If they would go back to the way it use to be "if you have coverage when a condition presents, it can't be exluded in a new policy. So long as there's not a lapse in coverage" Then we could look around for options but having to stay with Humana because no one else is going to cover anything that's actually wrong with me, is stupid. And because Humana knows I can't go anywhere, they hike my premium up by at leat $50-100 a year!!!

    I think laws are a good thing for stuff like this. I do think some insurance companies gouge us. Bring the whole idea of free market and competition back to the industry but not by adding a single payer system to it. So I'm with you, government trying to monopolize the industry under the cover of "competition" is not right.
  • Aliy
    Jackie-- That's so strange, I'm studying to be an occupational therapist (real estate's slow and I think I would like to do something in these down times that's rewarding) but it's a GREAT thing and there are tons of companies that will do home visits to GET her moving, has her doctor suggested THAT yet?

    Next time they suggest therapy, see if home therapy will work. A good OTA can plan things to get her moving that she won't even REALIZE are exercise!

    I did some volunteer work with a little boy who has NO hand eye coordination and they way they were working with him was blowing bubbles and letting him chase them and clap them. AMAZING to see this little boys progress playing a game. He didn't even know he WAS getting therapy. I would suggest you try something like that.

    I wish the best for your MIL!!!
  • Aliy
    Of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence:

    Five were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes burned to the ground. Two lost sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, and two more had sons captured. Nine fought and died in the Revolutionary War.

    How would they feel today if they learned that EVERYTHING they fought, died and scaraficed for was being attacked as "old", "worn out", and "not really applicable to what's going on TODAY"?

    Disgraceful. If you have any liberal friends having cookouts today, explain they are complete hipocrits! You fight us AGAINST these things and today you take it upon yourself to party FOR them? I don't think so.

    To those of us who DO believe in what they were trying to do, Happy 4th of July!!!
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, I like a lot of your comments and suggestions on health care. I know this is just talk and there isn't much we can do about it from this site. However, there is a lot of things that would have to go into place before a National Health Care Plan was set into motion that I don't think the Obama Administration is capable of even thinking about with their liberal minds.

    The cost of everything that is associated with health care has to be taken into account before even laying out a plan. EVERYTHING! Our current Administration cannot and will not do that! They are too stupid! But let's you and I talk about the costs.

    First off, I am 70 and draw SS and have medi-care. I have supplemental insurance as well and a prescription drug plan that I pay for in addition to all the other costs. I had a stent implant in my LDA back in o4. (First off, there doubts in my mind that I ever needed this implant in the first place.) The first bill I got to see was a sum of $48,000.00. This bill was primairly for the Heart Surgeon, the standby crew and tools and equipment in case they had to crack me open due to a screw up or something. To this day I still do not know how many other costs were associated with, charged and paid separately from the origional bill. Here is what has happened since. NOTHING!

    Here is what I have had to do. I am on 5 different kinds of medication. These medications are dispensed in 3 month supplies. Before I can get a new prescription at the end of three months, I have to see my doctor. I HAVE TO. I go in sit down, look him in the eye, talk a little and out the door with new scripts call into my pharamacy. THIS GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE PROGRAM FOR SENIORS is one of the biggest rip-offs in the history of GREED in this country! Yet, I don't know what we would do without it...

    It would literally cost billions with a "B" just to try and regulate the medi-care for seniors. I wonder what it would cost just for the regulatory part of a National Health Care Plan? And, once it was under regulations, what would the quality of the health care be and how much of it could you get? This is a Major thing just to try to come up with something let alone impliment it.
  • JackieM
    DS--i agree with you completely.  i also have no sympathy for the illegals seeking healthcare or the poor who don't contribute to the cost of their own healthcare.  i would suggest that if an illegal is treated that they be immediately sent back to their country along with their family and threatened that if they come back into this country again everyone one of them will be arrested and serve at least 20  years.  we need to become harsher on these folks.  they get a free ride right now.  it has to stop because we can't afford it.  this is humane because the citizens of this country are suffering partially as a result of the illegals.  we should protect our own hard working folks before helping others.  i know people right now who refuse to work at jobs that provide healthcare for their family.  when i mean refuse i mean that they refuse to gain any skills to enable them to get better jobs.  my husband and i have tried to help them but they don't won't help and act as if we are causing trouble and they get insulted.  some family members have asked us why it is our business.  the reason is because they are costing us taxpayers a lot of money and their children are suffering with poor educations and no future.  those two reasons are everyone's business.  they are in an extremely poor part of the country even during good economic times.  they kept having kids they could not afford, won't move even with help or do anything that will make a difference in their lives.  well, i just remembered a little something the wife is doing.  she is taking courses on line to get a two year degree, which will pay her about $8 to $10/hr with no benefits if she is lucky after she graduates.  now her husband makes about $8/hr w/no benefits and doesn't work 40 hrs/wk if he can get away with it.  he refuses to even get his GED and is a disgrace.  the wife knows the outcome of her "education" and the salary is on line for her to see but she doesn't care.  she is taking the lazy way out and will continue to never be able to provide for her kids.  they are a little above poverty level and get help from her mother who is extremely poor also.  none of them have retirement savings or any savings for that matter so they and possibly their children will become a burden on society.  how selfish is this?  oh, but the democrats/liberals love this behavior.  they want to pay for these folks and give them more welfare with healthcare.
  • DS
    Excuse me for being so logical.  My engineering background keeps getting in the way of the facts, and I'm obviously not connecting emotionally with all of the illegals and poor people who don't want to work and pay for their own insurance!   LOL  By the way, I have an ex-workmate who is 79 years old who knows a LOT about healthcare and all of the things we need to do to fix it.  He actually connected with his local congressman to discuss them and was told that they were too difficult to fix, and that he wouldn't even try to get involved with it!  They look at it as a 4th rail in politics if you would, right behind social security and medicare.  As I said, I don't think they really want to solve the problems, and that nationalizing healthcare is really what they want.  That way, they don't have to do the hard work, and don;t have to snub their lobbyists!  Sad, but true.
  • DS
    I'm with you on ways to solve the healthcare problem.  I want to keep the government out of it as much as possible!  Otherwise, they will find a way to control it.  I've been trying to think about when/how this problem started, and I can't remember.  The reason I didn't see it happening was that for the last 30+ years I have been working for a major corporation who provided our healthcare, so I really didn't see what was going on out there.....my bad!  So, my question is "When did this happen, or was it just a gradual increase that occurred?  I suspect it was gradual.  One thing I KNOW we should do is to eliminate all of the frivilous lawsuits that are rampant today.  That alone should help lower doctor's insurance costs, and COULD result in lowering their costs to us.  COULD is the key word here, and I think we might end up requiring some task force to get involved in managing/controlling their salaries.  I hate to even say that!!  I know we conservatives believe in free market economies, and I believe it has worked for a long time, but it seems that greed has taken over the system somehow, and I'm not sure how we stop it without allowing someone to control it.  I'm just not sure the government is the place to do it.  Maybe we need a private organization (call it MediHelp) made up of a mixture of doctors, drug companies, insurance companies, corporate executives, and provate citizens whose job would be to make those kinds of decisions.  But there is much we can do first which should impact the cost of healthcare.  I mentioned eliminating frivilous lawsuits.  Republicans always bring this up, but Democrats always shoot it down!  Why is that?  Since it is obvious that these lawsuits are a key reason for higher costs, why would the Dems be against it?  We're right back to the lobbyist issue!  They get tons of money from trial lawyers!!!  Duh, why would they want to end frivilous lawsuits?  One thing that they all agree on is that we should be computerizing all of the record systems to cut administrative overhead.  And we have had that technology for a LONG time, so why hasn't it been done already?  I suspect there are reasons that we aren't aware of like administrative people losing their jobs, and unions would be right in the middle of that one!  So who do unions support?  Bingo, the Dems again!  I'm not sure who most of the drug companies support, and maybe their issues are merely greed in nature.  How do we solve the greed problem using free market principles?  Competition is the key to this.  I don't know how many drug companies there are in the U.S., but I'm sure there are a lot more worldwide that we could allow to compete with our own "if" our government would allow it!  But, the FDA and our government has regulated this industry to the point where it is uncompetitive.  Yes, we should make sure that we test drugs from other countries, and we should work with them on ways to comply with our regulations WITHOUT putting them out of business.  We have those kinds of trade agreements with almost every other type of goods and services.  So why couldn't we do it with drugs as well?  Does our government REALLY want it tohappen?  I'm thinking they don't.  Jackie hit on a very inmportant issue which is the practice of doctor's doing too many unnecessary tests.  Why do they do this?  Two reasons.  First, they can make more money when they do more tests.  Second, they're afraid of frivilous lawsuits.  If the patient requests a test be done and they refuse, they are opening themselves up for a lawsuit.  Therefore, I believe that patients and doctors need to work more closely together to make decisions which are best for both.  There should be a "handbook of care" if you will that is developed by the private company (MediHelp) to be used by doctors and patients to guide them in their strategies for determining and solving health issues.  I think another of the reasons that we have gotten to this point where patients are dictating to doctors what tests to run is the fact that most people are now using HMO's for their healthcare.  I don't know how long HMOs have been around, but I believe that they were probably developed for a few reasons such as 1) a way to keep healthcare costs down by leveraging the masses of the people, 2) a low cost way for corporations to provide health insurance for their employees.  HMOs have been successful in those things, but I have noticed that they have created a different problem which I believe is now causing a lot of our pain.  When I was growing up I don't remember HMOs being around, but maybe they were.  We had a private family physician who we used.  He knew us and kept our costs at a point he knew we could afford.  We were pretty poor, so I suspect that we paid less than some of his other patients, but I don't know that for a fact.  But I suspect that doctors back then were more willing to do that, and it is actually a smart strategy.  Let's call it free market healthcare at it's best!  I'm sure he didn't charge us less than what he paid for drugs, tests, etc.  But he could charge us less and make up for it with other people who could afford to pay more.  And by doing this, he was able to build up a very good business!  I know you will say that HMOs do the same today.  But do they really?  It seems that they are more alike than different.  The other thing I see with HMOs is that their quality of care is much less than what we got with our private doctor.  We "trusted" him!  We do NOT trust our HMO doctors.  They are not that friendly for the most part.  They want to get you in and get you out as quickly as possible.  Otherwise, they lose their leverage and can't see as many patients.  This is a BIG problem for me and my family!  We MAKE the doctor spend time with us.  And there are times when we HAVE TO force him to give us a particular test.  Otherwise, he will not even recommend it.  We have heard a lot of war stories about people dieing because they mis-dignosed them or didn't perform the right tests on them.  This needs to stop!!  That is where the handbook might help a lot!  Docotrs and patients will have a sort of roadmap to help them diagnose issues, at least potential life threatening ones.  I could probably go on for a while, but I'll stop here.  I think I have rasied a lot of issues that our politicians should be looking at, but I have very little faith that they will.  And I have talked about why that is the case.  In summary, I think they have their eyes so focused on nationalizing healthcare that they will refuse to do the right things to actually solve the problems!  Nationalized healthcare is a MUST for socialism to advance, and I just beleiev that socialism has been the Democrats goal for a long time, and now they have the crisis to make it happen.  We'll see what happens, but I know where I would put my money if I were a betting man.  I can only hope and pray that God will get involved!!
  • JackieM
    Aliy--I saw some of Hannity too and wondered if obama's some supporters were watching and if they were what do they have to say about their messiah now.

    I also saw part of Helen Thomas' question but didn't see all of it.  I also that idiot spokesman just standing there with a "duh" on his face.  i think it is about time the media starts asking obama and his idiots the hard questions.  there needs to be more of this.    

    On the subject of healthcare--there is a lot that can be done and you have some great ideas.  first, the lobbyists of healthcare and others need to be kicked out of Washington.  this would lower costs.  The drug companies are charging people overseas less than they are charging us because they make us pay for all of the R&D costs.  this can be changed by laws to make it fair.  that would lower costs.  in addition, there can be more laws passed to help consumers, i.e, pre-existing conditions coverage, while keeping capitalism in play.  i also think that people should not just get a free ride and not pay for some of their health expenses.  i know people who refuse to get coverage because they know the government will end up paying for their illnesses.  they are low income people but have more children than they can afford and would rather buy their kids toys and other things than to pay for healthcare.  i've spoken to them about getting better jobs that have healthcare but they refuse.  it is "too hard" and requires effort.  people like that need to be penalized because that is the only way they will get their priorities in order with healthcare.  i think the government doesn't need to get involved any more than necessary.  however, the laws need to ensure competition.  oh, and one more thing.  my 79 year old mother-in-law is sent for so many unnecessary tests.  it is just ridiculous.  in addition, every time i turn around the doctor wants to send her for therapy and she refuses to do any exercises at home to help herself even though she is perfectly capable of doing so.  guess who pays for this?  we do.  it is totally stupid.  she has been to therapy so many times and it has never helped her because she won't help herself and exercise at home.  i know other elderly folks who do the same thing.  they want to get well but don't want to make the effort.  anyway, those are my thoughts.
  • MR. BUD

    The U.S. Constitution states, in Article II, Section 1: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

    That's pretty plain language. In order to qualify to be President of the United States, a person MUST be a natural-born citizen!

    Seems simple enough. If someone is running for President, and there's any question about whether he or she is qualified under Article II, Section 1, it would be easy enough to prove:

    Just show your birth certificate.

    You know: that simple document that lists your birth date, the hospital where you were born, the doctor that delivered you, your parents' names... your birth certificate.

    Everyone who's ever had to get a driver's license, or travel outside of the U.S., or gain entrance to a school -- we all understand the simple rules: if you don't produce your birth certificate, you don't get in.

    The same rules should apply to "getting in" to the White House, as the Commander-In-Chief of our great country, shouldn't they? If you're questioned about your qualifications, just show your birth certificate.

    But that's EXACTLY what Barack Obama WILL NOT DO! We cannot let him get away with this -- So, it has been filed, and Obama MUST show an ORIGINAL birth certificate in order to maintain his job.  (same as you and me and all the other naturally born citizens of this country would have to do)  He has not produced a LEGAL document that would prove his claims...

    The question I have at this point is, "When people line up to fill out an application and submit their qualification papers for the job of President of the United States, who was sitting at that table and ok'ed his application"?

  • Leslie H.
    I like your plan.  I think you have some good ideas, but the government has a plan for pre-existing conditions.  A few years ago, I had a serious condition and was between coverage ( I was young, had just been hired for a better job, and didn't fully understand the pre-existing conditions clause), the welfare office covered me until I was cleared by a doctor. The safety net worked, and I immediately purchased my own coverage after the initial treatments.  However, it's still a tricky issue.  Part of the reason why medical costs are so high is that everyone can get some sort of coverage, so the doctors don't have to keep prices competitive.  It's sort of like college tuition, once the school knew everyone could get a student loan, they were free to charge whatever they wanted.  This issue is for someone smarter than myself to solve, but I think we need to look at the costs (competitive pricing and lawsuit reform) first, then see what sort of safety net is needed.
  • Aliy
    I have been thinking about health care and what needs to be done in this country. Because lately, I"m one of those people who go "yes, we need some kind of reform" then go "but Not what Obama is trying to do". I'm one of those bitch without an alternative answer. Which I think is wrong of me, I hate people that say "no" and leave it at that. I want to know what your brilliant, better idea is, because if it IS brilliant AND better I'd be happy to get behind your wagon.

    I have not heard ANYTHING I can get behind. so, this is my best though on the matter and I'd LOVE to hear from someone else if you think this can be improved.

    I understand the cost of tests are up because there's new technology out there to do said tests (you pay for technology--like paying more for airbags in a car--just common sense)

    The drugs are getting more expensive, however, that's because there are new drugs out there and RX companies need to make the R & D money back (at least) so they are charging a LOT for them. (just like when the microwave first came out, they were expensive, now they are cheaper--Color TV's same thing), just about ANY new anything the first few years, the company has to make back the R & D money.

    Premiums on insurance policies and deductables are stupid high to the point a lot of people can't afford them. Insurance companies deny EVERYTHING you send them (my insurance company tried to deny a mamogram last year, and by LAW you get one of those) They figure for every 10 claims they deny, only 4 people are going to call them on it, which is unethical, I think.

    So, here is my preposed solution, and I think it might make both sides happy.
    1. Set a task force (you know how liberal LOVE their task forces) to investigate the claims insurance companies are denying. If they are out of line suspend their license for 6 months or something. Start making them responsible for what they are doing.

    2. Instead of giving me a $13 a week tax break, send me that check at the end of the year to cover some of my premium. Or, you know what, don't even send it to me, put it in a HSA for me. Then I can draw off that for at least a little leg up (I actaully liked McCain's $5,000 credit a year, that would still come up short of what I pay in premiums but it would be a big help)

    3. For Preexisting conditions. There is a government system (you know how liberals LOVE the government run stuff) I pay a premium (which I know liberals are not going to be happy about, but I think it's necessary) small, premium $10 a week or something. And for everything my insurance company excludes I have the backup government plan to cover it. Give us small deductables. BUT this plan is ONLY good for what your insurance company excludes in the first place. If your origianl paperwork says they won't cover "mamograms" then this government system covers it, and when you sign up, you ONLY sign up for the things on that list, you can't sign up for mamogram and then try to use it for an MRI on your knee.

    If the insurance companies start pulling crap (like you know they will, you'll be paying a stupid amount of money to them and you'll have 9 pages of exclusions), that is what the task force is for. I'm sure if say Humana started doing unethical crap and the task force came in and said "ok, no license for YOU for 6 months" someone like Aenta would be more than happy to pick up those people from the date of license suspension.

    It would keep the insurance companies honest. And then to get their customers back once they get their license back, they have to lower prices!!!

    I think this plan is solid but I would love other input.
  • Aliy
    You're right DS. I was watching Hannity last night he was counting down the 101 things in the stimulus that were pork and crap and it was really, really interesting. Things like Nancy Pelosi's state getting earmark money to build a museum and cranberry boggers getting money to "study cranberries" and millions to pave roads in a rural area. Just waste, waste waste, then they wonder why the stimulus isn't working and why most of us don't trust the next thing they want to do either!

    Jackie-Helen Thomas, (who's famous for picking on Bush) attacked one of Obama's cronies the other day calling him out for the obvious town hall meeting where Obama set up q and a's he knew in advance. She wouldn't even let the idiot answer the questions, she was hurling insults at him talking about "do you REALLY think we're THAT stupid" and you know what, up until NOW, yeah, they did!

    I think some people are coming around now. Some people (in the press at least) are starting to feel like they've been watching a show, a staged event. And it has been. But they are a little pissed because he's setting stuff up so he looks better and he doens't have to field any questions that are real, people are getting sick of it.
  • JackieM
    Amen, DS!  you are right!
  • DS
    Senator Nelson doesn't care what you or any other of his constituents think.  He is a lifer politician who believes that his position is locked up, and that there are enough poor, uneducated liberals in his state to keep him voted in.  He is also being paid off by special interest groups, and their money is much more important to him than any voter threatening him!  This is more proof for why we need term limits for ALL Federal and State politicians!   They are so disconnected from the people they represent that they don't even consider them as important anymore.  I don't why we haven't seen any petitions to introduce  term limits legislation at least at the State level.  It would be impossible to get Congress to initiate any kind of bill to limit their terms, so I don't know how we can implement it for them, but if anyone knows how we should be pursuing it.  In my mind, that is probably the only way to limit the damage that SIGs are doing right now.  Once they get their hooks into any politician, it is almost impossible to get them back out.  The only other way to fight them is to give the moral, good SIGs more money to fight the corrupt ones.  But I don't think we can compete with the Soros's of the world.  And, I would be amiss to not inject God into the picture!  Our prayers can make a difference!  We need God back in our nation!!
  • JackieM
    i just heard a spokesperson from obama's camp try to make up excuses for why the jobs rate continues to climb and why the "stimulus" bill is not working.   she stumbled around and could not come up with real answers.  they are bumbling fools.  the republicans told them it would not work.  common sense and basic economics proves this.  however, the morons continue to spew their rhetoric and want us to give the "tax cut" of $13/week and the lame "stimulus" money  TIME to work.  LOL!  ....and i have some swamp land to sell them too!  so exactly how much time should we give them?  the spokesperson was asked about the folks whose benefits had run out and what should they do now.  she changed the subject.  this administration is a failure and the folks who voted for the idiot have to be the most uneducated people on earth.  this is the reason our school systems need to be overhauled!  they are damn morons!  i won't even talk about the parent who raised them.  that is a subject for another day!
  • aliy
    Again, for those who missed it:

    Heritage Foundation is giving away FREE POCKET CONSTITUTIONS

    Just go to the website and fill in your info.

    This is a MUST have, sit it on your coffee table proud, or on the bedside right next to your bible. And best of all, it's FREE.

    There are so many people who just don't get it. They think it's complicated, they think it's out-dated. Please, go get a copy of what I think is the most important document in the history of this county.
  • aliy
    Leslie, is that not the most assanine thing you've EVER heard? What do you mean the constitution isn't covered in a "political sceince major"!? That's just disgraceful.

    Heritage Foundation for the month of July is giving away a FREE pocket constitituion!!! Just like the one I've got!!!

    Go get a free copy of the constitution, stick it in her face and ask her how complicated something the size of a freaking POP TART is. How can it be SOOO confusing a freaking COLLEGE student can't understand. Then point out how dumb she must be to not understand something SOOOO simple.

    It burns me up when people cliam the constitution is "complicated" or "out of date". Just goes to show they have NO CLUE.
  • Leslie H.
    My sister-in-law is a college student majoring in world political science (she wants to work for human rights watch).  She informed me that there was "no need" to read the Constitution because it is complicated and "doesn't fit" in our world.  It is also apparently not required reading for a political science major.
  • Aliy
    You know, there was another liberal I was talking too who said the constiution is "a legal document that no layman could really understand, and it's so big, who has time to read all that" and I said

    "Wow, I've got the constitution AND bill of rights in my back pocket! what are YOU talking about it's hard to understand and so big? You are maybe mixing the constitution up with the tax code, I KNOW that's 54,000 pages of legeliese, but the constitution is extremely simple to understand."

    Where are they getting these things? Who is telling them they would never understand the constitution? And why are they letting someone tell them they are too stupid to read a book that fits in my back pocket?!

    You want to talk about leading them around like sheep to the slaughter!?
  • Aliy
    Obama, suddenly he's a gay man's best friend? Talking about how the rest of the world is holding "worn arguments and old attitudes," What the heck is THAT? How DARE he say us conservatives that believe Marriage is a religious and sacred institution have "worn" arguments!!!

    That's like the liberal that told me the other day "Why in the world do you want to follow the constitution? Do you have any idea how old it is? It's totally out of date, we should just get rid of it" What in frig heck is THAT?!!!

    And the worse part of THAT one is they WERE trying to quote the constitution and I was correcting it all. Like "seperation of church and state" is NOT in the constitution, all it DOES say is that government can't declair a national religion. He didn't like that.

    Or, the "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" which is actually in the preamble and just Mr. Jefferson showing off his eleoquence (anyone every hear "Change"). Boy he didn't like THAT either.

    And finally he said "the government has to tax the people to provide welfare to all" and I laughed and laughed and said "no you idiot, the government is suppose to collect taxes to provide FOR the welfare of all, like infastructure, roads, military, police, schools, not hand you food stamps you dolt!" He REALLY DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

    Which is when that crap out the constitution came out.
  • Aliy
    I must say, people in Washington have suddenly shut up about Iran haven't they? Our of sight, out of mind. This administration is FAMOUS for that. Like telling us one thing, and doing another without justifying it.
    At least when Clinton screwed us and broke a promise he made an excuse like "well, now that I'm in office, i might not get this done" Or "it's going to be harder than I thought to push that through" SOMETHING to at least acknowledge what he told us before.
  • Aliy
    I don't expect to get a response. I'm calling like Jackie suggested from now on! Unless they set up an automated "thank you for your complaint" machine!!!

    Mr. Nelson is SOOO worried about the climate, did you know here in HIS district there are no emmissions tests for cars? You know those inspection stickers you need to prove your car is in working order and not a ball of pollution? He doesn't think they are necessary. But Cap and Trade is going to fix the world? Start at HOME Mr. Nelson, Start at Home!
  • Aliy
    I know i got a form letter from Mr. Nelson. I responded with the following:

    Mr. Nelson, or whomever is reading his email. Please understand the canned response you sent me today about the cap and trade bill is not only insufficient to restore my faith in your ability to do this job, but has seriously put your honesty and integrity in question.
    You say cap and trade let's the market decide, lie, the government will set the standard, collect the license fees and keep the penalty money, no free market about that Mr. Nelson, Perhaps you failed to read what you voted for.
    You say cap and trade will present "economic opportunities" I don't know who exactly you're talking about with THAT one either, unless you call an economic opportunity the "opportunity" for me to ride the bus when I can't afford the cost of gas anymore.
    You say cap and trade is going to "protect consumers from high energy costs" apparently YOU'RE not listening to the leader of your party and this country when he was DIRECTLY quoted as saying if this bill passes utility costs will (and I Quote the President here) "SKYROCKET" Mr. Obama's word, not mine. But apparently you didn't look into THAT part of this bill either.
    I will not deny global warming, however, CO2 is NOT a culprit, what you WANT to be doing is getting the REAL pollutants, cars that spit 20 feet of black smoke behind them (which is carbon MONOXIDE, NOT Dioxide, BIG BIG DIFFERENCE THERE)
    CO2 is what anything GREEN on this planet needs to survive. I learned in 5th grade science that plants take in CO2 and give off oxygen. We do the reverse. How can something vital to ALL plant life on the planet be evil?
    And where the source you quote is 90% certain man-made gas is responsible for the warming climate, I'm 100% certain your source is making things up. Considering the particular gas you've targeted, I can only assume you and your expert have NO CLUE what's really going on with the climate. But, let me guess, you didn't read THAT part of the bill either?

    So, in closing, the "Thank you now I'm going to lie and you're going to go away days are over" You have officially lost my vote and I don't care who runs against you, I will promote them with all my heart because I don't believe an irresponsible liar should be my representative in Congress.

    Which, by the way, is what I said in my original letter. This time, just a little ruder!
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, I can remember numerous times you said "Obama is lying through his teeth"! Well, it has started coming out now about all he said in his campaign that he has renigged on now that he is president. Hope you watched Hannity tonight. Wow! Carl Rove is something else...
  • MR. BUD
    Here's another post from OneNewsNow.  (If you guys read this on their site, let me know and I will quit pasting these articles here.)

    A black evangelical Christian pastor and former NFL linebacker says there was "absolutely no truth in anything" President Obama said in his speech to homosexuals in the East Room of the White House Monday. President Obama promised LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) supporters Monday at a White House "gay pride" celebration that he "will continue to be an ally and a champion" for their agenda, once again vowing he will repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. (Related article: Obama White House not appealing transgender ruling) Ken Hutcherson, senior pastor of Antioch Bible Church in Washington state, says it is "a shame" that the president is "supporting what destroys the family." "There's absolutely no truth in anything he said, from beginning to the end," says Pastor Hutcherson. "There is no such thing as [a] biblical stance for homosexuality, if you use the Bible. If you want to use any other denomination, feel free -- but where I stand is...biblical; it is marriage between one man [and] one woman, and that is the relationship, heterosexual, that is ordained, blessed, and called by God." In his talk, Obama acknowledged that many Americans still disapprove of homosexuality. "There are still fellow citizens, perhaps neighbors or even family members and loved ones, who still hold fast to worn arguments and old attitudes," he stated. (See related article) Hutcherson says those comments demonstrate the president has contempt for more than just conservative Christians. "I think this president has a disdain for anyone who disagrees with anything about him -- don't just limit it to Christians and conservatives," he remarks. "Brother, this man doesn't like anyone who doesn't think he's the smartest man in the world." Hutcherson says until conservative Christians make their small voice a dominating one, there is nothing that will stop President Obama from pushing for the legalization of same-sex "marriage."
  • JackieM
    Everytime I write to the congress or senators in my state, I include a line that says don't send me a form letter.  Once I received a non-form letter instead.  LOL!  I don't remember what the subject was but at least they read that part and actually addressed my issues.  i find calling them and raising hell annoys the crap out of them.  i also let them know that if i don't see results, i'll call again everyday until i do.  they don't like that.  i don't know if it even matters at this point because the TRUE American people don't have a say in anything anymore.   there is also a comment line to the whitehouse and during business hours, someone will answer it.  so you can guess what i did--the lady on the other end of the line loved obama i think but she had to listen to me complain--and oh did i complain.  Hannity talked about the new polls that are out.  obama is slipping and the media is not finding obama as attractive as they once did!  hopefully, people on the left will start to give a damn about this country and see through obama's bullshit!  if not, we are definitely screwed and the dumbing down of America will continue!  but hey, history was made when this SOB was elected.  LOL!  who gives a damn when our country is being destroyed.  Frankly, i'm sick of hearing about how great it is to have elected a black man to lead our country because he is leading it into the toilet.  who in the hell can be proud of that?
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, sorry to be so doubtful of these shit heads but the letter you got sounds like one of those ditto things they send out to everybody that writes in.  Chances are  Did you ask him about spifics?  If you did, I bet he didn't answer you questions directly.  It's sad that I have to think the way I do anymore.  Chances are Senator Nelson never even read the letter.  I would like to think he did but if he is anything like the rest, he didn't...  This is the way they work you know?  It isn't about me or you anymore, or even the people in general, it's all about them.  They have a staff that does all the work for them now.
  • aliy
    Mr. Bud, it's OK, we DO agree and you are respectful of my little lapses in conservatism (ha!)

    So, I wrote my congressman about how he lost my vote because he voted yes on cap and trade and THIS is the crap standard response I got back:

    "Thank you for contacting me regarding cap-and-trade legislation.

    I am interested in cap-and-trade programs because they would let the market, not the government, dictate how to lower harmful emissions. I believe that we have the technology and ability to meet the challenge of climate change in a way that will provide new economic opportunities and make us more competitive internationally while protecting consumers from high energy prices and breaking our dependence on oil.

    Global warming threatens Florida's fragile ecosystem and $60 billion tourism industry. Rising sea levels will encroach on Florida's pristine beaches and harm coastal wetlands and the Everglades. Increased carbon dioxide and water temperatures will damage sensitive coral reefs and endanger Florida's diverse marine species. A scientific study by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded with 90 percent certainty that global warming is caused by the accumulation of man-made greenhouse gasses.

    On June 26, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The Senate is expected to consider legislation to address energy independence and climate change in the fall.

    I will continue to work in the Senate to fight the effects of global warming. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts with me, and I respect your views. Please feel free to contact me regarding any additional issues of concern.

    Senator Bill Nelson"

    What a LOAD OF CRAP. They wouldn't let the market do crap but pay taxes to the government, be it in a "pollution license" or be it in fines for being OVER the amount of pollution they paid for in the first place!!

    That crap about protecting consumers from "high energy prices" Obama HIMSELF said if this thing passes we're going to see, and I QUOTE the Messiah here "SKYROCKETING UTILITES COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD". So I don't know who HE thinks he's snowing over with THAT CRAP.

    I have NO CLUE WHAT "economic opportunities" he's talking about other than the government's windfall of new taxes. There certainly isn't going to be an economic opportunity for me (unless of course you consider going completely into poverty over my electric bill and not being able to get to work becuase I can't afford the gas an OPPORTUNITY).

    Let's get 1 thing straight, CO2 DOES NOT harm the coral reefs. As a matter of fact, CO2 isn't really a pollutant to being with. It's what everything on this planet that's green NEEDS TO SURVIVE. Global warming is not something I'm denying but I don't think outlawing what we exhale is really the evil gas here.

    How about going after something that actully DOES destroy ozone, pollute rivers, and make air harder to breath? What about the emmisions control on cars. I've seen some sputtering dooseys on the road lately. How about we start with REAL "man made" stuff that's actually polluting the earth FIRST BEFORE we endanger everything on this planet that's green by taking away their source of energy. No CO2, No Plants, No Plants, No Oxygen, ie--WE DON'T SURVIVE EITHER!!!

    I'm going to write back with his letter and explain what a load of crap it all is. And I'm sending it to the newspaper with documents supporting my view. I might even send it to Glenn Beck or one of the Fox guys and see if they are interested in showing how even when we complain about our representitives they STILL try to lie to our faces.

    And the guy says all this like I wrote a letter of SUPPORT. I told him he lost my vote because he voted for this bill and I laid out WHY, he answered with the same canned lies the WHOLE democratic party is and thinks that's good enough?!

    Ug, what the heck!
  • MR. BUD
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    Check to see the TEA Party scheduled for your community here. and click on "Locations." If there is a TEA Party scheduled, join them in their efforts.
    The current administration is quickly turning America into a socialist state where the government owns and runs the various businesses. Our government has taken over major insurance, banking, and automobile companies. Before long we will be presented with a $2 trillion health care bill run by the federal government.
    It is time that those of us who love our country, our children, and our grandchildren stand up and be heard.
    I also encourage you to take a few moments to view Ken Hamm's "State of the Union" video. Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, presents powerful new research addressing the current spiritual state of our nation. The video is free and ready to view now!
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, I knew that.  Sorry if I sounded like that.  That sleeze bag Sanford needs to be drummed out of SC.  I know some people there and they sure are better than that.  THEY HAVE MORALS...  That SOB don't or he would have quit in the first place and not ever showed his face again!
  • Aliy
    And finally,

    Wil SOMEONE tell Sanford to shut the hell up already!? His mistress is his "soul mate" he's going to "try" to fall back in love with his wife. I don't want to hear any of that crap.

    He ran on morales, he got elected on morales, he is just proving time and again, he doens't have any morales!!! The only thing I want to hear out of that blubbering idiot is "I resign, and here's my conservative membership card because I don't represent the morales and values it stands for"
  • Aliy
    Hello Leslie!! Welcome! We're glad to have you. I too agree and have been saying for years "the people screaming the loudest for tolerance are the most intolerant people you'll meet"

    Mr. Bud- I understand homosexuality is a sin. No way did I insinuate that I think it's OK, what I said was "don't ask don't tell" I don't want to know, just like I don't need anyone else knowing what goes on behind my closed door. I don't think it's OK I just think I can live in ignorance of it more blissfully than if you're constantly telling me you're gay.

    DS- AMEN! Some how, there's never much needs to be added besides a good whole hearted AMEN when you speak (or type) so there it is. And here it is again: AMEN!
  • DS
    I understand as I am all of those things as well.  I also understand the struggles we all go through, some more than others.  What I want to get across to everyone here (especially Dora) that might still be listening is that christians DON'T hate her.  Sometimes our words seem a little strong, and don't always come across the way Jesus would have us say them.  We aren't God, and we don't always say things right.  We also get frustrated and/or angry when we are attacked because of our christian values.  We need to be careful that we don't sin when we respond.  Otherwise, we are no better than the one who is attacking us.  It is NOT easy, I know!!  I fall every day, and have to agree with God that I sinned, but quickly remember who I am in Christ so that I don't beat myself up too much!  I hate my sin when it comes out!  I don't want to sin!  I want to see and love everyone the way God does!  And I can ONLY do that if I'm submitting to the will of God and relying on the power of the Holy Spirit every minute of the day!  I will pray for you, Jackie, Leslie, Aliy, and all of the other christians I know.  Jesus said........... 

    Matthew 5

     13"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
     14"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

    Read the epistles of Paul and allow his words to sink deep into your heart!  He was a man like us, yet he knew who (Holy Spirit) had the power to help us live a life pleasing to God.  God bless you brother!
  • MR. BUD
    DS, you're 100% right in your post.  I look to your post daily for human guidance just as I do the teachers of my church.  I fight a battle each day, the same battle I'm sure each of you fight.  I have to overcome my anger at those who believe my christianity is wrong.  I HAVE TO FIGHT THAT BATTLE EVERY DAY.  I think all Americans that want to do the right thing struggle with that same battle.

    I am a husband, a dad, a grand dad, a christian, a conservative and a republican and with each of those inities, I think I deserve some respect.  NONE of that is considered when a special interest group is pushing their agenda on me!  Sometimes I have to pray just a little harder and listen a little closer.
  • DS
    Bud and Leslie,
    I would like to add something provocative to your posts, but I think you summarized it pretty well.  I would only like to remind everyone that christians do NOT hate the homosexual.  Quite the contrary, we love them!  But we do hate the act of homosexuality.  If we are true christians, we are commended to refrain from sinning, and to even hate the thought of sinning!  Jesus taught us in Matthew 5 that He didn't come to abolish the Law or the Prohets, rather He came to fulfill them!  He gave us a new way of thinking and living which is even more strict than what the Jewish Law demanded.  In the Jewish Law, the "act" of adultery was sin.  But Jesus taught us that if a man even looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery in his heart!

    Is homosexuality worse than any other sin?  No, ALL sin is sin in the sight of God!  As human beings, we have a hard time understanding this for a couple of reasons.  First, we tend to look at the sins of others as worse than our own so that we can make ourselves look better.  And there are some who consider sexual sins worse than others.  Both of these are wrong according to Jesus!  We should hate ALL sin, strive to live without sinning, and encourage other christians to do the same.  We have something within us to help us which non-believers do not have......the Holy Spirit of God!  Two of the functions that the Holy Spirit provides christians is 1) He convicts us of sin so that we can agree with Him that it is sin for the purpose of discontinuing it, and 2) the power to be able to live a life that is pleasing to God and which gives us the ability to not sin.  Does that mean that we never sin?  No, because we still have the flesh, we still sin.  But because of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, His sacrifice, and His blood that was shed for us on the cross, we are forgiven....enabling us to appear blameless in the sight of God!  Does that sound unfair to non-believers?  Probably, but that is because they don't understand God's very simple plan of salvation.  Because of the sin of Adam and Eve, man is unable to live without sinning.  This was not God's plan from the beginning.  His plan was to create a "sinless" human race which would obey Him "because" they loved Him, NOT because He forced them to.  But they decided that they wanted to become "like" God just as satan did, so they sinned against God and introduced the "curse" into the human race from that point on.  Man is incapable of living without sinning because of this curse.  No matter how hard we try, we CANNOT live a sinless life!  And because of that, God had to develop a plan to counteract the curse, and provide man a "way of escape" from the curse so that we could have fellowship with Him again....both in this life and in the life to come (eternity).  That is where Jesus comes in.  God sent Jesus Christ (His only begotten son) into the world for two reasons.  First and foremost was His plan of redemption.  Jesus would live a sinless life and yet die a terrible death on a cross for ALL of us!  He had to "take our place".  He paid the price for us!  He became a propitiation for our sins!  And the fulfillment of the plan would be for man to "accept" this "free gift" of Christ's death for us in order that we might be "saved from the curse of sin" which had been prevalent since Adam and Eve.  Jesus had to first live a sinless life in order for His death to be acceptable to fulfill God's requirement.  And the ONLY way that Jesus could have lived a sinless life would be for Him to be "filled and controlled" by the power of the Holy Spirit (from God) which lived in Him during His time on earth!  This same Holy Spirit lives in each and every "true" christian today!  I have to use quotes with the word "true" because there are MANY who claim to be christians, but aren't!  Jesus warned us that it would be a very difficult decision to become His follower!!  He actually said that we had to give up EVERYTHING in order to follow Him.  He wasn't specifically talking about giving up the things we need to liev such as food, shelter, and clothing.  He was saying something even more!!  We would HAVE TO surrender our will to God, and begin to live our lives differently than we ever had!  We would have to "take up our cross" daily, and submit to God's will rather than our own! And He knew that there would be MANY who would never agree to do that!  He even made the statement that it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for us to make the commitment to following Jesus!!  That is a heavy statement!!  Even though becoming a christian is "free", it is NOT "easy"!  There are a lot of people who claim to know Jesus, have said a simple prayer to receive Him, and think that is all that they have to do to be saved!  They are correct in that it is that simple, but they are misled if they believe that is all that they have to do!  That is ONLY the beginning!  They MUST now submit their will to God's will, and begin to live their life differently!  They MUST ALLOW the Holy Spirit to direct them, convict them, and to provide them the power to live this new life!!  This is easy to say, and easy to understand....but it takes commitment and desire to do!!  Don't get me wrong.  We CAN'T do it ourselves!!  ONLY God can live a sinless life.  The Holy Spirit can help us do it!!  But we need to be honest with Him,, turn from our sin, and be obedient to what He tells us to do!!

    All of this to say that "true" christians who are obeying the Holy Spirit do NOT hate homosexuals!  We hate the sin because God hates it!  You may ask why God hates sin so much and why He doesn't just accept everything we do?  He does love us right?  Yes, God loves EVERYONE!  He created us all!  But He still hates sin because He knows what sin does to us!!  Sin creates death.....both physically and spiritually!  Adam and Eve were created to live forever, but sin caused them to die, both physically and spiritually.  Because of sin they were "ashamed" to look at God and tell Him what they had done!  Sin cause this same shame in us!  It keeps us from God!  Sin also causes our bodies to break down.  I could list many sins such as drinking, smoking, drugs, etc. which destroy our bodies.  God doesn't hate us when we smoke, but He hates what it is doing to our bodies!  And He also hates it because it "usually" keeps us from coming toHim because we are ashamed of it!  Why are people ashamed of sinning, even though they may not have any experience with God?  It's because God gave each of us a conscience which teaches us right from wrong.  As sinners, we train ourselves to stop listening to our conscience, and that is very dangerous!  Does that mean that we have changed the meaning of what is right and what is wrong?  No!!  There is still right and wrong, but we have stopped listening to God when He warns us about it!  VERY DANGEROUS!  But God has warned man in His Word that they will have no excuse when they die and face judgement!  And don't be deceived, EVERYONE will die, and EVERYONE will be judged!  You will either spend ETERNITY with God, or ETERNITY without God.  There are NO OTHER options!  What you do with this life determines where you go in the next life.....which is ETERNAL!!  Ever think about what ETERNITY means?  Our feeble minds can't contemplate it, but I can definitely contemplate thousands of years!  Thousandsof years compared to this 100 years (if you're lucky) on this earth?  THERE IS NO COMPARISON!!!   But do you want to submit to God and stop sinning in this life to "take the chance" that I'm correct about God and eternity?  What if God really doesn't exist?  Did you waste your time in this life?  Was your life more fulfilled by sinning less. or were you robbed of all of the "fun" things (sins) you could have committed by not following God?  Or worse, what if God DOES exist, but you refused to come to Him in this life?  God tells us what hell will be like, and let's just say it isn't a place where I would ever want to go!!  He says there will be CONSTANT "weeping and nashing of teeth"....for ETERNITY!!  All of this for a mere 100 years of sinning?  That doesn't sound like a very good payoff to me!! 

    So, in summary.....I love homosexuals, and want them to come to Jesus!!  I want them to be freed from the sin that entagles them!  I want them to experience the peace and love of God in this life, and live with Him eternally to come!!  I say the same for alcoholics, and addicts of any kind!!  I say that for thieves, for murderers, for liars, and for EVERYONE who haven't yet accepted the work of Christ on the cross for themselves!!  Some say they aren't sinners, and that they live "pretty good lives".  I say what God says.  You are a sinner, and you need God's forgiveness!  He loves you, but you still need Him!!  Where will you spend eternity?  When will you make the biggest decision of your life?  When will you die, and what if you don't have time to come to God?  God says "Today is the day of salvation!"  Don't wait for a "better time".  Repent and accept what Jesus Christ did for YOU today!!  It will be the BEST decision you have ever made!!!
  • MR. BUD
    Leslie H., welcome.  Thanks for the post.  All the reading I have done about the jews hiding in the basements and christianity being forbidden on many contenents makes me wonder where we are headed.  It's the same ideaology that sent the jews to the basement and persecuted christians in those countries that is alive and well here in the United States.  WE MUST COMBAT IT!  God is the answer but we need to do the foot work...
  • Leslie H.
    I have really enjoyed reading the conversation between you guys ( I live in a pretty liberal area so it is refreshing for me).  On the issue of homosexuality ( I guess you could insert any liberal agenda here), there is one thing I don't get.  Doesn't anyone see how illogical it is for liberals to demand "tolerance" and "acceptance" by way of forcing Christians to deny our beliefs?  As a mom, I can tell you public schools are the worst offenders.  They site Separation of Church and State to make sure that none of the curricula offends atheists, muslims, gays, etc... And then try to convince our children that Christians are ignorant bigots who are afraid of science.  There is nothing liberating about liberalism on any issue.  While Christians can accept that there are non-believers and go about our lives in peace, the left can't stand the idea of free-thinking Christians, and are determined to stamp it out.
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, I don't accept homosexuality!  My traditions and beliefs will not allow me to accept it.  My bible tells me it is a sin.  However, I know people who are homosexual and they are nice people.  A lot of homosexuals are nice people and they keep their business to themselves.  THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD ANYONE IS GOING TO PUSH THAT AGENDA ON ME AS BEING OKAY!!!  IT IS NOT!

    Problem with their agenda is that Extreme Liberal Politicians and people in general have brainwashed them into believing IT IS OKAY.  That they should seek the same entitlements as "NORMAL" people seek through "THEIR" beliefs.  HOMOSEXUALITY has never been a "NORMAL" act throughout all history!  We still don't really know if it is by choice or otherwise, so I would never call a person a name just because they are the way they are.  It's how they come across with their agenda that brings out the anger in me.  Slap me and I slap back...  It's like I don't have a right to raise my children the way I was raised!  Or, give them the foundation and knowledge that I was given as a child.  You see, I still don't see anything wrong with the way I was raised.  My parents did the best they could with what they had.  I grew up with love and affection from both my parents even though we were poor as you could be and not be starving.  I had to grow up and live some life before this became an absolute realization.
  • MR. BUD
    DS, I pulled this from OneNewsNow web site.

    Conservative Christian groups form new federation Jody Brown - OneNewsNow - 7/1/2023 6:50:00 AM

    Conservative Christian organizations are joining forces to defend traditional values they believe are under assault in the U.S. today.

    The new coalition, called the Freedom Federation, unites black and Hispanic evangelicals with the American Family Association, Concerned Women for America, the Family Research Council, and other groups. Leaders of those organizations gathered in Washington Tuesday to strategize how they can work together against abortion, pornography, same-sex "marriage," and threats to parental rights and religious liberty. A press release states that the group "encompasses individuals of different races, faiths, and backgrounds who are committed to the preservation of freedom and American values, founded on the Judeo-Christian tradition."

    The federation's "Declaration of American Values" also upholds private property and gun rights, and addresses such issues as freedom from excessive taxation and national sovereignty. Liberty Counsel chairman Mat Staver, who helped organize the gathering, says it grew out of "the urgency of protecting those values because we believe that they are being eroded or undermined."

    Other groups involved with the Freedom Federation include the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, Teen Mania, American Association of Christian Counselors, Liberty University, Catholic Online, Vision America, the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, Traditional Values Coalition, National Clergy Council, Eagle Forum, Americans for Prosperity, and the Los Angeles-based Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND).
  • Aliy
    I think I accept homosexuality, I'm a don't tell, don't ask kind of person. That might make me a little more tolerant but you don't know what I do behind closed doors and I don't want to know what YOU do behind closed doors. Like Dora, constantly reminding all of us she's gay. That's like someone constantly reminding someone they do a goat. It's just NOT what I want to hear.

    And I have to say Mr. Bud, I got COMPLETELY distracted when I opened that page Thomas Sowell had an op ed on health care and I LOVE HIM. He's like one of the smartest men on EARTH, he has this way of pointing out the obvious with such simplicity you go "why didn't I even look at it like that before".

    He actually wrote a book on the housing crisis and he was spot on. As an appraiser I agree with almost everything he said.

    I do think "creative financing" was around before Barney Frank made the "put people in homes by any means necessary" comments but after the last collapse from that kind of financing, they should have known better than to use them.

    So I didn't actually get to read the article you sent.
  • MR. BUD
    Obama hopes to persuade all Americans to accept homosexuality

    Read the article: http://www.onenewsnow.com
  • Aliy
    Radena, don't always trust snoops. They lie a LOT. Like the Montebello High school pictures where the kids are flying the mexican flag, snoops says True (because it DID happen) but it wasn't the children from that school doing it, they were all on lock down because punks raided the campus! That poor school is getting hate mail and calls everyday because of snoops. I like to check various sources because snoops is habitual in screwing stuff up.

    I noticed the Supreme Court overturned ANOTHER sotomayor ruling the other day too. And Ginsberg wrote the dissent. Now, tell me if this makes ANY sense. She said "the white firemen don't have a right to a promotion" DUH, that's what the freakin TEST was for you dolt. They don't have a "right" they "EARNED" it.

    And, they are STILL picking on Sanford and totally ignoring the whole Conyers thing! How can you be against a waste plant in 03-04 and then in 06 write a letter to the EPA advising they approve and claim you just "changed your mind"? I'm sure that $10,000 your wife came home with helped you "change" it. And no one is covering this!!!!
  • DS
    I know it seems hopeless, and there are times when I feel like giving up.  But God keeps reminding me that He is the answer, and that with Him ALL things are possible!  Every time I begin to lose hope for whatever is going on in my life, I run (not walk!) to the throne of grace and remind God that He is in control and that I trust Him to accomplish His will in ALL things in my life....including what's going on in our country!  It isn't easy to not worry about it, and I confess that I do at times.  But maybe that's a good thing because it keeps me running back to Him!  We need God!!  As you appropriately pointed out in your last post, there are so many people that have had their hands out their entire lives, and obama is THEIR hope.  God isn't just sitting back and allowing all of these folks to put obama on the throne.  He WILL show them that obama isn't their messiah.  obama will fail as we know, and all of those people will be devastated.  God will still be there to comfort them and to pick them up.  We, as christians, need to be there to love them into the Kingdom!  We need to start even now as the sooner we plant seeds so that God can harvest them, the sooner people will change their attitudes towards God and things of righteousness!  It will take time, but it provides us the opportunity to go out and make disciples as Jesus commanded us to do.  So, LET'S go out and make disciples Bud!  Everywhere we go we need to be bold and share the gospel with everyone that comes across our paths!  Ask thema couple of simple questions to see where they are in the Lord, then go from there.  He has been using me a lot lately because I have been willing to share.  He has ignited the fire in my heart again, and I know why that is.  Our country is in trouble, and He wants to use us to point the lost toHim so that righteousness can rule our nation AGAIN!!   God bless you Bud, as well as all of my other brothers and sisters in Christ out there!!  Now, go out into the world and make disciples!! 

    In Jesus' name,
  • MR. BUD
    Well, it's like this - WE'RE SCREWED!  Too many people in this country are those kind of people RaDena described in her last post.  THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP FOR ANYTHING BUT "PRETENDING"!  They go through life "Pretending"!  Those people who have never worked, stood with their hand out all their life, raised their families on welfare and are now still in line to get their utilities paid...  It's true!  MARK MY WORDS!  Tax-Payers, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT...

    I don't know how anyone can sit and listen to BHO long enough to even try to figure out what the hell he is talking about.  Every try to figure out if he answered the question or not?

    DS, thanks for that great post by Sr. Vaknin.  Really makes you think what the whole world thinks, huh?
  • DS
    Thanks RaDena,
    Our situation is no longer one in which we argue about politics or the best way of doing things!  We are in the greatest spiritual battle of our lifetimes, and we MUST fight with spiritual weapons!!  Most christians will understand when I remind you to put on your spiritual armor everyday!

    Ephesians 6

    The Armor of God
     10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
     19Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.
  • RaDena
    DS, what you say is absolutely true.  God is the ONLY answer and the more people pray the better chance we have of surviving the nutjob who is sitting in the Oval Office.  Well, sometimes he sits in the Oval Office... maybe.  Most of the time he's on television or in the middle East talking about how arrogant America is! 

    Unfortunately, as you say, most people are apethetic and uninvolved and that's why we have Obama in the first place.  But Michael Jackson dies and WOW!  People sit up and take notice, don't they?  Good grief!  If the coverage on Michael Jackson's death isn't Idol Worship I don't know what is!  The majority of them are more interested in Michael Jackson than in their own government which is something that affects their living conditions more and more each and every day, but they seem to be oblivious to what's happening to their own country and to them.  If Cap and Trade passes in the senate this week and they can't afford to pay their utility bills, will they take notice then?  I have to wonder. They'll probably blame it on Bush!
  • DS
    Dora et all,
    Make SURE that you click on the link in the previous post and read everything that you need to know about Obama!  God is the ONLY answer to stopping this mad man!!  PRAY HARD!!!
  • DS
    Though this was written before Obama’s election, it contains a few predictions that may already be a reality. Read, and see for yourself.

    For a more detailed and comprehensive explanation see:  http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html by Ali Sina



    Israeli Psychologist on Obama

    Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist.  He has an interesting view of our new President.
    Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.

      Dr. Vaknin states "I must confess I was impressed by Sen. Barack Obama from the first time I saw him.  At first, I was excited to see a black candidate.  He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident – a wholesome presidential package.  I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling.  His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history.  Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people.  The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man.  He is not a genius.  In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

      Barack Obama is a narcissist.

      Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist."  Vaknin is a world authority on
    narcissism.  He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person.  When he talks about narcissism everyone listens.  Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

    Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves.  Jim Jones, The charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist.  David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time.  All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers.  They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life.  They gave them hope!  They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.  When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late.  One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.

      "Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations," says Vaknin.  "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then.  His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old).  Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident.  Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia, a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father.  At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents.  He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979.  She died of cancer in 1995".

      One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists.  They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them.  Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands.  They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service..  The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image.  He creates a cult of personality.  His admirers become his co-dependents  Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective.  They are focused on one thing alone and that is power.  All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities.  Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention.

      If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it.  The "present" vote is a safe vote.  No
    one can criticize him if things go wrong.  Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him.  Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.

      The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what?  His own
    autobiography!  Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self.  He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

      Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody.  So did Stalin.  For a narcissist no subject is as
    important as his own self.  Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself?  Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless.  As the norm, they lack conscience.  This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

      A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother.  Why?  Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

      A narcissist cares for no one but himself.  This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to
    what is at stake.  What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world?  I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists.  They pose no threat to others...They are simply self serving and selfish.

      Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example.  To him reality and fantasy are intertwined.  This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw.  Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent.  It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

      Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama.  But this man could put an end to their party.  The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama.  Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven.  This is racism, pure and simple.  The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites.

      The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man.  Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting.  They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

      The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support.  I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

      Obama will set the clock back decades... America is the bastion of freedom.  The peace of the world depends on the strength of America, and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

      It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction.  There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.
  • DS
    Thanks for these posts.  You are right on when it comes to the people of our nation!  We have become so apathetic about everything, and that is what is going to ultimately destroy us....UNLESS we wake up and ask God to come back into our schools, our government, the public places, and yes....even some of our churches!  Someone once said that the only thing that needs to happen for evil to succeed is for the good to do nothing!  Thats is what has happened to us over the last 40 years!  The "good" have become tired of fighting the fight, and have allowed the "evil" to change our country into what it is now.  They told God to get out of our lives, and so He has.  He is letting us see what it's like without His blessing on our country, and it isn't good!   We need to repent and ask God to forgive us for our apathy, and for allowing our government to become what it is.  We need to now pray that He will remove obama and his thugs from office, and start praying for righteous, God loving leaders to take their place!!  We have a lot of praying to do, and a lot of work as well!  The Tax Day Tea Parties were a great start, and there will be mroe this summer/fall.  We need to get involved with them AS we are repenting and praying for God to take His rightful place in our countr and our lives again!!
  • MR. BUD
    Do you all remember Judge Moore?  This is about a book he authored.

    By: Judge Roy Moore
    Judge Roy Moore's critics, both within conservative circles and without, have maintained that Moore violated the law by disobeying the order of a federal judge to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments from his courthouse. But Moore brilliantly argues that those who ordered him to remove the monument are the ones breaking the law by ordering him to violate his oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
    In So Help Me God, Moore argues that the states must acknowledge the moral principles on which America was founded and that it is not illegal to do so. This book articulates why Moore believes elected and appointed government officials have the right and the obligation to acknowledge God as the foundation of American government and jurisprudence.
    Moore's steadfast stand against the removal of the Ten Commandments monument from Alabama's state Judicial Building rotunda resulted in his removal from the highest judicial office in Alabama. When U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson ruled the granite carving was an unconstitutional endorsement of religion, Moore refused to obey the order. Nevertheless, his eight colleagues on the state Supreme Court overruled him.
    Descriptive and engaging, Judge Moore gives play-by-play synopsis of his cross-examination in the courtroom of the Alabama Judicial Building, the place where he had, ironically, previously presided as chief justice. Drawing on history as well as stories from his life experiences, Judge Moore goes on to pose a brilliant argument that it is imperative, constitutional, and ethical for the government to acknowledge God.
    The ACLU among others is attempting to take our right to acknowledge God. Moore calls us to acknowledge the true meaning of separation of church and state, and to understand this nation’s intended relationship with God.
    About the Author
    Roy Moore graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point with a Bachelor of Science degree in 1969 and completed his Juris Doctor degree from the University of Alabama School of Law in 1977. Captain Roy Moore served in the U.S. Army as a company commander with the Military Police Corp in Vietnam. During his professional career, he became the first full-time Deputy District Attorney in Etowah County and served in this position from 1977 until 1982. In 1984, Chief Justice Moore undertook private practice of law in Gadsden. He became a judge of the Sixteenth Judicial Circuit of Alabama in 1992, and served until his election as chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2000. In 2003, Chief Justice Moore was removed from his position for standing up for the inalienable right to acknowledge God. He now justice lectures throughout the United States, teaching about America’s history and right to acknowledge God. He is also chairman of the Foundation for Moral Law in Montgomery, Alabama
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, that was the only reason I posted this letter.  No other reason, not beause Bill Cosby's name was at the bottom.

    RaDena, yes, I checked that letter long ago but I also don't trust "snoops"!  Even if the letter was not real, the contents are true to my nature and I understand that concept a lot better than others I've heard.

    Aliy, I think I have mentioned this before if not, here it is again.  YOU CAN'T SELL PREVENTION TO ANYONE.  Smoking is a good example.  Drinking is a good example.  Speed is another good example.  Our military is the greatest example of all.  They have prevented this country from being taken over by radicals all through our existance.

    After 9-11, I wittnessed a display of American Flags of amazement.  I wonder if any of those people would have flown an American Flag if 9-11 had not of happened.  Suppose we would have stood up and told people that 3,000 plus people are going to get killed on this date.  What if we had of told them both the twin towers would topple.  Would they have flown an American Flag, I don't think so.  Maybe on the first day some would listen, but not any time after that.  They probably would have put us in the nut house.  It's sad that we have become a nation that treats the wounds, not prevent them.  It's only after the gator bites us that we head the warning - Stay away from the gator, it bites!
  • RaDena
    Mr. Bud, I wish that e-mail were true too, but Bill Cosby himself has disclaimed having written it.  It's been circulating the internet before the 2008 election.  Here's what Snopes has to say:
  • Aliy
    thank you for the link.

    Mr Bud, you know, comedians make jokes about this stuff but THAT is the candidate I actually WANT in office. Don't they get that? They think it's all fun and games until someone looses an eye!

    And I send out letters (they are sitting in my mailbox now) and I've contacted MY reps. as well 2 of whom are democrats so I'm sure they voted for this disgrace.

    It's Monday, last week we lost Ed McMahon, Farrah Faucet, Michael Jackson and yesterday, Billy Mayes (you know, the Kaboom, Oxyclean, magic putty guy from informercials!). I know there's death everyday but enough retrospectives, enough "remembering..." and if I see Michael Jacksons body bag on TV 1 more time I'm going to really get pissed. How tacky is THAT?
  • MR. BUD
    I got this in an email.  Don't know if it is for real BUT I COULD LIVE WITH IT!


    (1).   Any use of the phrase:   'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned.  English is the official language; speak it or wait outside of our borders until you can.

    (2).   We will immediately go into a two year isolationist attitude in order to straighten out the greedy big business posture in this country.    America will allow NO imports, and we'll do no exports.   We will use the  '
    Wal-Mart 's policy,  'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.'  We'll make it here and sell it here!

    (3).  When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it coming in here.

    (4).   All retired military personnel will be required to man one of the many observation towers located on the southern border of the United States (six month tour). They will be under strict orders not to fire on

    (5).    Social Security will immediately return to its original state.   If you didn't put nuttin' in, you ain't gettin' nuttin' out.  Neither the President nor any other politician will be able to touch it.

    (6).    Welfare.   --   Checks will be handed out on Fridays, at the end of the 40 hour school week,  the successful completion of a urinalysis test for drugs, and passing grades.

    (7).   Professional  Athletes -- Steroids?   The FIRST time you check positive you're banned from sports ... for life.

    (8).   Crime  -  We will adopt the Turkish method,  i.e., the first time you steal, you lose your right hand.   There is no more 'life sentences'.  If convicted of murder, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for the victim you killed:  gun, knife, strangulation, etc.

    (9).  One export of ours will be allowed:  wheat; because the world needs to eat. However, a bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.

    (10).  All foreign aid, using American taxpayer money, will immediately cease and the saved money will help to pay off the national debt and, ultimately, lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask The American People if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision as to whether, or not, it's a worthy cause.

    (11).   The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.

    (12).   The National Anthem  will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.

        My apology is offered if I've stepped on anyone's toes ..... nevertheless......


    Sincerely,  Bill Cosby
  • RaDena
    Ally, here's the url for the article I posted on my blog:

  • MR. BUD
    For addresses, phone numbers for these clowns, click on RaDena's web site.  She has all that listed.
  • Aliy
    See, unlike Liberals, when OUR representitives screw up, we DEMAND some kind of action.
  • Aliy
    Got it!!!:

    Mary Bono Mack R (CA)
    Mike Castle R (DW)
    Mark Steven Kirk R (IL)
    Leonard Lance R (NJ)
    Frank LoBiondo R (NJ)
    John McHugh R (NY)
    Dave Reichert R (WA)
    Chris Smith R (NJ)

    Go, write letters, write emails, fax do what you can to get these 8 traitors of the republican party to understand we don't want them representing us anymore!
  • Aliy
    Where are the liberals?

    Well, when you look at the amount of votes Obama got, now look at the amount of people you meet in a day that can't STAND the guy, I think Acorn got away with a LOT more than anyone knows. After all, Mickey Mouse,Donald Duck, and NO ONE at the supervisor of elections caught on to this?

    On a good note they have cracked down on 14 states Acorn members and still have active investigations on others so within the next 4 years, maybe we can get rid of all the fraud we saw this time.

    But you know what, even Kennedy had the strong vote of dead people! Again, just support for my idea that you just don't expect better from Liberals.

    I am going to write my letter of disgust to the house.

    I'll send it out as soon as I find out who the 8 are!
  • Aliy

    Where are the names of the 8 republican idiots because you just saved me a lot of research time!!! I'm totally writing letters, to them ALL, my represent. of not!
  • Radena
    Thank you, Mr. Bud.  I appreciate that.

    You're right, we need to kick out the RINO's and the sooner the better!  I posted the names, pictures and contact information of the eight idiot Republicans who voted for the Cap and Trade legislation.   I hope people will call, write, e-mail or fax them and give them a piece of their mind.  It's obvious that they need a piece of someone's mind, since they don't have one of their own.
  • MR. BUD
    RaDena, welcome.  Thanks for your post.  I love your web site I will be reading more there.

    The problem with politicians is you never know where they are at  They kiss you all the while easing a knife in your back.  The republican party is full of wolves in sheeps clothing.  We need to kick those folk completly out of our party.

    You never hear any of them talk about getting rid of pork spending and lobbiest anymore.  The reason they won't is all the bastards have something to hide.  I would love to have all the names of those involved with that crap.

    Aliy, I like the "Mr. Obama promised me" posts.
  • RaDena
    Ally, those are all good questions to ask liberals, and if I hung out with liberals I would ask them.  I only know two liberals... where the heck are all those people who voted for Obama?  They can't all be hanging out in public housing.   They're out there but like Jackie M. said, I think they're hiding in their closets.

    No, the liberals don't get it, but they will...  when it hits them in their pocket books they'll sit up and pay attention then.  I hate to say it because we also will feel the pain, but they actually deserve it, although  I'm praying this insane "Cap-and-Screw the American People" legislation won't pass the Senate next week.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--you are right in every one of your posts.  these are the exact things i have discussed previously and the liberals still don't get it.  we don't see any of them standing up against obama.  it is very obvious that he has lied to the American public too many times to count.  i can't figure out why the democrats aren't taking a stand.  if they are this stupid, they don't need to have a say in who is elected.  voting is a big responsibility and if they don't take it seriously enough to understand what and who they are voting for, they shouldn't vote!  wonder if there is a test that could be made for people to take on the issues.  if they can't pass it, they can't vote.  i know all of the arguments on the other side; however, we have so many problems in this country and our freedoms are at stake!  i'm just really disgusted and want obama out!  i was speaking to some friends last night and they literally hate obama.  i don't know many people who voted for him.  i think they hide in closets or at least they should.  they have caused this country great harm.
  • Aliy
    And Jackie--Some people DO want socialism, but they don't understand what it is, or what they are asking for. Again, they are mis-informed people who think Obama is taking us down a good road. They are like non-contributors who listen to the basic definition of the term "ALL working for the betterment of ALL" and they think that sounds wonderful. You know what, it actually DOES sound nice, that is what they think they are getting, that is NOT what they are getting but they don't know enough to realize that. Again, same problem as the non-contributor, they don't care enough to educate themselves on what they are asking for.

    Go ask any of the people you know that think we're going down a good road the following 3 questions:

    1. Do you feel America should be removed as a super power, do you feel our dollar should let other currency take the lead? If the answer is NO, they have NO CLUE what Obama's economic policy is doing to the country.

    2. Do you feel like we have the responsibility to the earth that we should pay triple what we're paying for goods, service, and gas to ensure less pollution? If the answer is NO they don't understand cap and trade

    3. Do you feel like you should give up 1/2 your money so someone else can have health insurance? Do you think you someone besides you and your doctor should be picking what medical treatments you get and don't? If they say no, they don't understand the medical bill he's put forth either.

    Those 3 simple questions will tell you if or not they really want Obama or some utopian version of what they thought Obama was going to do.
  • Aliy
    There are a multitude of other things he promised that I am not mentioning but you get the picture. If you voted for Obama because you LIKE WHAT HE STOOD FOR. I would like you to realize that is NOT WHAT YOU GOT.

    Everyone told me during the election "he's such an eloequent speaker, you have to really LISTEN to him" Well it's funny, I DID listen and what I heard is not any where NEAR what he's doing. And no one that told me to "listen" to him is noticing they were lied too!! How stupid do you have to be to elect someone based on their word and when they break it (how many times in his firt WEEK in office) you still rally behind him? Why?
  • Aliy
    Mr. Obama promised me: 

    At the first presidential debate in Oxford, MS, Obama declared, "[W]e need earmark reform. And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely."

    However, in February, Obama passed his $787 billion stimulus aimed at jolting the declining U.S. economy. Before a joint session of Congress, Obama declared: "Now, I'm proud that we passed a recovery plan free of earmarks."

    Some chuckled in amusement when he claimed the bill contained no pork. "There was just a roar of laughter - because there were earmarks," Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., told CNN.

    At least eight earmarks in that stimulus bill.

    Obama also signed a $410 billion omnibus bill for 2009. More than 9,000 earmarks in the spending bill total an estimated $7.7 billion.

    During his three years in the Senate, Obama requested more than $860 million in earmarks. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has 16 earmarks - worth approximately $8.5 million - in the bill.

    I would like Mr. Obama to keep his promise
  • Aliy
    Obama promised me:

    During his campaign, Obama also said, "I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race. I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House."

    However, Obama's campaign fundraising team included 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million in 2007 to lobby the federal government.

    "Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million" for Obama's campaign, the report states. "Employees of their firms have given Obama's campaign $2.26 million."

    It wasn't long before he allowed at least two dozen exceptions and broke his promise.

    Obama's own ethic rules barred officials of his administration from lobbying their former colleagues "for as long as I am president." He also said former lobbyists would be prohibited from working for agencies they had lobbied within the past two years.

    President Obama later waived his rules for at least two of his nominees - William J. Lynn III, undersecretary at the Department of Defense and recent lobbyist for Raytheon, and William Corr, deputy secretary for the Department of Health and Human Services and anti-tobacco lobbyist for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

    I would like Mr. Obama to keep his promise
  • Aliy
    Obama Promised ME:

    In October 2008, Obama released his "Rescue Plan for the Middle-Class" in which he promised to allow financially distressed Americans to withdraw up to $10,000 from their 401(k) accounts and retirement savings without having to pay penalties. They would only pay income taxes on the amount.

    "Since so many Americans will be struggling to pay the bills over the next year, I propose that we allow every family to withdraw up to 15% from their IRA or 401(k) - up to a maximum of $10,000 - without any fine or penalty throughout 2009," Obama said. "This will help families get through this crisis without being forced to make painful choices like selling their homes or not sending their kids to college."

    However, Obama's promise was never included in his recent stimulus package.

    I would like Mr. Obama to keep his promise
  • Aliy
    Obama promised me:

    to provide a $3,000 refundable tax credit to existing businesses for every additional full-time U.S. employee hired in 2009 and 2010. "If a company that currently has 10 U.S. employees increases its domestic full time employment to 20 employees, this company would get a $30,000 tax credit - enough to offset the entire added payroll tax costs to the company for the first $50,000 of income for the new employees," the transition website stated "The tax credit will benefit all companies creating net new jobs, even those struggling to make a profit."

    Obama's promise was never included in the stimulus package.

    I would like Mr. Obama to keep his promise.
  • Aliy
    Obama promised me in his campagin: In Manchester, N.H., on June 22, 2007, he announced his "Sunlight Before Signing" promise.

    "When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as the president, you the public will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it," he said. "Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days."

    However, Obama signed his first bill, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, on Jan. 20 - only two days after its passage. He signed a second bill expanding the State Children's Health Insurance Program just three hours after Congress passed it.

    Again, on Feb. 17, Obama signed his 1,000-page $787 billion stimulus aimed at jolting the declining U.S. economy. He did so only one business day after it passed through Congress - without allowing for five days of public comment.

    I would like Mr. Obama to keep his promise.
  • Aliy
    Here's what I want. And Dora, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

    Obama promised me in his campagin:

    The American people should have access to the same health care plan congress has!

    How quickly we forget THAT promise. Well, Mr. Obama, I would like you to keep that promise.
  • Aliy
    I noticed Dora isn't around, could this be why:

    Monica Conyers, the chairwoman of the Detroit City Council and wife of House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.), pleaded guilty Friday to federal bribery charges,


    Hum. Seems no one is surprised here because, why, DEMOCRATS HAVE NO MORALES. They will re-elect John Conyers in a heartbeat even after this. Where republicans are calling for Sanfords resignation, they could care LESS what the morale fiber of their party is.
  • JackieM
    Aliy-I agree that there are people who don't care about obama's policies; however, i do know people who do understand what obama is doing and like it.  they want socialism/facism and anything that represents "change."  i've heard people say that socialism is not bad and we should have it here.  so i respectfully disgree and do think that his supporters like the destruction of our country.  the ones that are getting a free ride like obama's policies and don't really give a damn about how they affect others. 

    so obama is going to help the poor out by giving them more welfare and the middleclass will pay for it!  hmmmmm!  i thought the "rich" were only going to have to pay more.  LOL!  well, there's another lie!  of course, we knew it all along.  obama is a fraud!
  • MR. BUD
    I caught this letter on afa and thought i'd share it on this site.  It is a little lengthy, but worth the read.

    by Mike Adams
    Dear UNC-Wilmington Students: It’s getting close to time to start another semester. That means that it’s time to lay down the rules for all of my classes. I’m going to continue to use all the rules I’ve used before, which can be found in my syllabus. But, starting this semester, I’m adding three more rules. Gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, and transgendered students (GILBERTS) need to pay especially close attention.
    First of all, GILBERTS will not be allowed to mention their status as gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, or trans-gendered. A few semesters ago, a gay student in one of my classes said – right in the middle of class, mind you – “I’m gay.” It offended me when he said that. That is why I am banning such statements for the duration of the semester. The simple awareness of the presence of gays in my classes offends me. No other reason need be offered. Just shut up and comply with the rule.
    Second of all, GILBERTS will not be allowed to offer even mild criticisms of those who disagree with them. Last semester, a gay student was talking to one of his female friends – probably one of those fag hags - when he said “I want to marry my boyfriend some day if the bigots will let me.” Since I oppose gay marriage, for obvious religious reasons, it offended me when he made that statement. That is why I am banning any such statements for the duration of the semester. Even mild criticism of my beliefs offends me. No other reason need be offered. Just shut up and comply with the rule.
    Finally, GILBERTS will not be allowed to state their beliefs concerning the origins of human rights. Last semester, a gay student said he supported gay marriage because he felt in his soul that it was the right thing to do. It offended me when he said that. That is why I am banning such statements for the duration of the semester. I’m simply offended when people discuss their beliefs about the origins of human rights, especially when it entails discussing their feelings. No other reason need be offered. Just shut up and comply with the rule.
    Hopefully, by now, most of you realize you are reading political satire. But that crucial fact - and the larger point of the satire - was lost on countless GILBERTS across the nation. After reading only two paragraphs of this letter, which was posted in its entirety on DrAdams.org, they began to fire off letters to the UNC-Wilmington administration demanding that I be fired.
    Had the GILBERTS taken the time to read this far they would have understood that a real letter of complaint was filed against me in January simply for a) mentioning my Christianity, b) offering very mild criticism of one assertion of Darwinism, and c) revealing a basic belief about the origins of human rights; namely, that they are endowed by a Creator.
    It is sad that a college student would lack the maturity needed to hear someone say “I’m an outspoken Christian professor” without having an emotional breakdown. It is also sad that he was arrogant enough to write a letter of complaint to my Marxist chairwoman. I am simply not intimidated by anti-Christian bigots. Nothing short of a bullet in the head will keep me from professing my Christian beliefs. And most anti-Christian bigots don’t own guns.
    It is also sad that the administration failed to reprimand the narrow-minded Marxist who expressed disappointment that the student’s letter would not result in a formal complaint. This is unmitigated bigotry, plain and simple. If I were not an adult, I would ague that it’s hate speech.
    Of course, while sad, none of this is too surprising. This is an administration that removed the word “Christmas” from the tree and “Good Friday” from the university calendar. They even once tried to force faculty and staff to remove Bible verses from their university email signatures.
    Nor is it surprising that GILBERTS express outrage at satire more often than Christians express outrage at real persecution. That is because most GILBERTS love their sexuality more than most Christians love Christ. And that’s the saddest thing of all.
  • Aliy
    Jackie- (620) Obama is destroying this country and it's not that his supporters "like" it so much as don't care, remember a LOT of his supporters are the non-contributors so none of this is actually going to effect them.

    I find it strange that they are going to use the money the governement makes on these "licenses" to help subsidise the poor people because the cost of utilities will sky rocket to the point they can't afford them!
  • MR. BUD
    DS, don't worry about the typos with me.  Dora may correct you, but I won't

    I believe you hit the nail right on the head with your last post.  I have been trying to find a logic for her staying here, maybe that's it.

    Jackie, your early comments have been right on concerning the cap and trade thing.  If you go back and read some of our early posts, we have been on about a lot of things.  This is kind of neat to see if you are right or wrong.  Some won't admit it - know what I mean?
  • DS
    sorry for the typos.....
  • DS
    Dora's first post on this page was post#4.  Yes, she's been here a long time.  She either likes to argue, or is looking for something that she lacks....or maybe both.  The fact that she continues to promote her lifestyle tells me that she is looking for some help in that area.  and that is why I've been pointing her to the ONE who can help her...God!!  I don't think she wants us to feel sorry for her.  I think she knows that lifestyle is wrong and is begging for help!  At the same time she wants help, she blasphemes the one who can help her!!  This is a psychological problem of some kind.  People want help, but when it is offere the rejject it.  It sounds a little like bi-polar disorder or schizophrenia.  I'm not a big believer in all of the psychological disorders and associated drugs to counteract them.  I believe that most, if not all of them are spiritual in nature, and the only real cure is a relationship with Jesus Christ.  Jesus is the master Healer!  He can resolve ALL of our problems!!  Man trys everything he can to solve them, but they don't work!  They may make the person feel better for awhile, but it isn't permanent.  ONLY God can permanently heal and make us whole!!  He provides the blueprint to solving all of our problems in His Word, the Bible.  Dora could be healed if she really wanted to it!!  And God WANTS to hel her and everyone else in this world!  He created us, so who better to know how to heal us?  He is hte GREAT PHYSICIAN!!
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy (612)
    I love this post...

    DS, how long has Dora been posting here on UC?  Maybe longer than I have.  Has she ever had anyone on her side?  None, except the ones she poses to be.  Here is the $64,000.00 question...  Would you stay on a site like this if you were the only rabbit in the crowd when everyone else is a wolf?  Something real deep is wrong with her.  About every 10 post she cries out that she is homosexual!  I believe she does this to get people to feel sorry for her.  Go figure!!!
  • JackieM
    Aliy--i posted comments about cap and trade a long while ago.  now everything i said is coming true.  it is really hard for me to understand how obama can continually lie to the American people about the consequences of his policies without his supporters finally getting the picture.  he has no integrity and has proven this time and time again.  it really showed in his lie about the unemployment numbers.  he said they would be no higher than 8.2% and we see now they are way above that.  forget the job creation lie.  that is just another one.  the jobs that will be created will pay on average $8 to $12/hour.  now the jobs that will be lost pay more.  so obama is continuing to follow his agenda of destroying this country and his supporters like this.  i guess it really doesn't matter that people will not be able to pay the higher energy bills.  in addition to energy costs, there will be higher costs of everything we buy including necessities like groceries.  this will destroy families.  apparently, obama and his supporters don't give a damn about folks on fixed incomes and the middleclass but he sure played them up during his campaign.  there goes the $13/week tax break he gave the middleclass.  however, it was never enough of a break to really help anyone.  in my previous posts, i discussed the ridiculous tax cut and how in the end the very people obama said he wanted to help would be in a deficit thanks due to his policies.  obama is a damn idiot and a joke.  no one can successfully defend him at this point!  he needs to be impeached but the liberals and another group still think he is still doing a great job!  they are morons!
  • aliy
    And I was just looking at the figures. It's pretty close. No blow out here. It's not like an overwhelming majority of people are for this bill.  Have you noticed that lately, there has been NOTHING in the last what, 15-20 years that's actually been overwhelmingly bi-partisen where both sides agree it's the right thing. This is a pretty even split, considering the Democrats overwhelming majority in the house, I really thought this would pass with a lot more Democrats following their messiah blindly but it seems at least 30 of them are coming around.
  • aliy
    Hold on to your seats, cap and trade just passed the house!

    The largest tax increase in HISTORY is coming our way.

    This is going to devistate a LOT of people and you know what, the people passing it know that. They know it's going to cost a lot of people their livelyhood, they know it's going to cost a lot of people jobs do you know what their response is:

     Jim McGovern, D-Mass., said there was a "moral imperative to be good stewards of the earth."

    So basically, we're all going to be paying the largest tax increase in history (as you can see by the figures I posted above from the WSJ and the only answer people are getting out of dems is THAT!?

    What about who's going to pay my electric bill? What about who's going to pay for gas in my car when it's so expensvie no one can drive anymore? What about answering how you can, in all good conscious vote for a bill you KNOW is going to drive the unemployment rate through the roof!? 

    When all your people working for power companies loose you jobs, or you as a consumer are freezing you ass off in your house in the dead of winter because the power company had to shut down so they didn't break their CAP, you know EXACTLY who's to blame right? 

    I should get a list of the 217 people who voted for this abomnation! No, I'll get the list of the 30 democrats that voted AGAINST this thing and we'll all call and thank them for being the ONLY people in the whole party to have any common sense!

    I'm totally going to let you know who the republicans were (if any) right now they are only releasing the vote count 217-205 so I don't know if there are, but if there ARE republicans who voted for this thing, they should have their cards taken away and whomever they represent should demand a resignation!
  • aliy
    And man did I find THIS intersting:

    Britain's Taxpayer Alliance estimates the average family there is paying nearly $1,300 a year in green taxes for carbon-cutting programs in effect only a few years.
    Americans should know that those Members who vote for this climate bill are voting for what is likely to be the biggest tax in American history. Even Democrats can't repeal that reality.

    The reality of this bill going to vote today could very easily bankrupt the people of this country. Not the government owing China, us, ordinary everyday people. It's OUR money they are going to take coming and going. You think it's hard to buy Milk and Eggs NOW! Wait unti they start charging taxes everytime a dairy cow farts and see how high milk climbs!
  • aliy
    And who's being unreasonable now......

    The Wall Street Journal says:

    . During the brief few days in which the bill was debated in the House Energy Committee, Republicans offered three amendments: one to suspend the program if gas hit $5 a gallon; one to suspend the program if electricity prices rose 10% over 2009; and one to suspend the program if unemployment rates hit 15%. Democrats defeated all of them.

    ALL of those measures would ensure that if people got too strapped from this bill and all the other costs rising there would be reliefe and there isn't.
    By the way they also said the poor are going to be hit hardest by this bill in their inability to keep wages up with the increased cost of EVERYTHING.
  • aliy
    From this mornings Wall Street Journal.

    The New Cap and Trade Bill would:

    would cost the economy $161 billion in 2020, which is $1,870 for a family of four. As the bill's restrictions kick in, that number rises to $6,800 for a family of four by 2035.

    For those of you who don't get numbers or get blurry when you see numbers you can't comprehend as being real. ...Let's put cap and trade in simpler terms. Again, The Wall Street Journal says:

    The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars. Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment. Some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result.
    So Dora can run around telling everyone we don't understand pollution but she obviously don't get economics.
  • aliy
    Post 608 Mr. Bud, I didn't even notice that was you. Sometimes, like when Dora posts under different names it's totally obvious it's her!

    You've shared your story about your mom and I get to share a story about my dad.

    When I was little I was in the back seat of the car and said "dad, will you turn on my radio station"

    His answer was simple "You want your radio station? Get a job, buy a car and you can listen to whatever you like"

    So, I went out, I got a job, I bought a car, and now I have a butt load of screaming liberals in my back seat telling me what radio station I can listen too!!!

    So, to all the liberal out there: GET A JOB, BUY YOUR OWN CAR, and GET THE HELL OUT OF MY BACKSEAT!!!!
  • DS

    I suspect you are right about Dora, but I would like to hear her explanation as well.  I have heard the following statement before, and I have to admit it is one of the most logical explanations I can think of for believing in God......if you need a logical explanation.  When I look at the intricacies of the world, the human body, and nature itself, it is totally obvious that they all had to be created by someone greater than man!  God's fingerprints are in everything we see! 

    He explained to the self-proclaimed atheist that he (the brother) would rather die believing there was a God, to find out there wasn't one, than to die believing there wasn't a God, to find out there was one.

    Romans 1:18 - 32
    18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

     21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
     24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
     26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
     28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, my post under 608 - sorry I posted that using my undercover name.  I will try not to fool people on this site............................................

    DS (601)

    After asking you several times about why you are atheist, or why you hate God, I submitted a question to you about "whether it was because people have given you a hard time for being lesbian."  I did NOT call you names, or claim that you were subhuman because you're lesbian.  As a matter of fact, I think I told you that I loved you anyway, and that God also loves you!  I don't see why you are upset from that?  I feel like you just don't want to think about or discuss important things like the meaning of life, or why we're here and wat happens after this life.  Again, you say you don't care...but I don't believe that!  Now, can we reason together?  Can you answer some of my questions that I asked you earlier?  i really would like to know why you believe what you believe Dora.  I have told you why I believe what I believe.  Can you at least give me the same respect?  Maybe we can all learn something from this. 

    DS, don't take this wrong.  I am not saying you don't already know some of these things but, I have to say this.  People like Dora don't believe.  They don't even believe that they believe what they believe.  They have chosen a lifestyle that is against God's rules of life.  Actually against the rules of humanity.  Because if everyone was homosexual in the world where would the population go?  So, what is the first thing you would do if you chose a lifestyle like that?  You would openly deny God.  WHY?  Because GOD is the biggest hurdle you have to cross.

    I heard a guy say one time that he used to be an atheist.  He also said here is why he changed.  His brother told him that he believed there was a God.  He explained to the self-proclaimed atheist that he (the brother) would rather die believing there was a God, to find out there wasn't one, than to die believing there wasn't a God, to find out there was one.

    Dora is way too busy trying to make you and I look bad so she will feel better than to listen to anything that reflects truth.  I am on your side, there is hope...
  • RaDena
    Aliy, I doubt seriously that you are a complete dolt! LOL!  The only reason I know that saying is because my step-mother used it several times a day when I was growing up.  It used to drive me nuts!  When someone repeats the same thing every day you have a tendency to want to strangle her (which of course I didn't) but you danged sure do remember it!  :)
    Aliy (602)
    Mr Bud (597) I'm trying to figure out what exactly it is about Palin that scares the piss out of liberals. Have you noticed they will take ANY situation and relate it to slamming her? Why do you suppose that is? I mean there is NO republican they pick on as much as her.

    Aliy, from the second Sarah Palin came on the scene, liberal dems trembled in their shoes.  Palin stands to change everything the special interest groups and the liberal dems have accomplished in the last 20 years.  R. v W., gay marriage, abortion, drilling for our own energy, putting God back in the public eye, etc., etc.!  THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT PALIN THAT A LIBERAL LIKES.  We, as conservatives, should LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT HER.  WE SHOULD ALL GET BEHIND HER AND PUT HER IN THE WHITE HOUSE...

    Our party is full of middle of the road cats who will eat a mouse on either side of the line.  These people say "She is too conservative for our party"!  BULL SHIT!  These are the freekin elected officials who run off to Vegas and cheat on their familys and taxes and lie to the people they serve.  WE DON'T NEED THESE PEOPLE IN OUR PARTY - LISTEN TO ME CATS -- GET THE HELL OUT!  Our party stands for something.  I would hope it means something to all of us that call ourselves "CONSERVATIVES".

    You will never get a welfare cat to stand up for Palin - SHE BELIEVES IN EARNING IT!  You know those things they call "JOBS"!  Every church in the United States should be yelling to the top of their voice that Sarah Palin should be president of the United States...

    You will never hear ANYTHING GOOD about Sarah Palin on a liberal news channel.  ONLY BASHING!  If they can make her look bad enough she won't have a chance.

    I'm telling you right here and now, Sarah Palin needs to be the front runner for the republican party.  HANDS DOWN...
  • Aliy
    Sorry Radena, That was me and I often screw up things like that, and spelling, Dora says I'm a complete dolt (and very often at that) so it shouldn't surprise anyone that the dumb conservative screwed something else up. After all, we're use to being called out for stuff like that since the real issues are undefendable.

    Thank you for correcting the idiom.
  • RaDena
    Dora, if you use idioms you should get them right.  The correct phrase is:  "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."   I'm just trying to be helpful.   Of course it probably works with bees too. 

    This is an awesome post and I see absolutely nothing to criticize.  Just my two cents.  :)
  • Aliy
    Just wanted to say rest in peace Michael Jackson, Farrah Faucett and Ed McMahon. They will be missed. With all the name calling Dora likes to do there are times we forget we're all only here for so long and we should cherish each moment.
  • Aliy
    Dora (600) you said:

     Get this clear,  DS-  I operate just as you do- different plumbing but I bleed,  cry, drive,  walk,  sing,  speak,   celebrate,  and every other single thing you do every single day.   We are humans.  We are more the same than we are different.

    If you understand this, why do you attack people and try to foster hate for you in everyone? You deliberatley pick fights where they are none just to make people hate you. Didn't you ever heard "you can attract more bees with honey than vinegar"?
  • JackieM
    i am not interested in engaging an idiot on any topic--dora!  to belittle someone because they misspelled a word or anything of that nature shows what kind of person she is.  she would rather do this than to face the reality of obama's policies.  the problems that we are facing due to obama's failures are bigger than dora's stupid comments about individuals on this site.  she is a perfect example of a typical liberal.  they don't want to address the suffering of millions of people and how obama could have enacted policies that would have stopped a lot of this but decided not to do so.  she has no morales or values!  that is obvious!
  • Aliy
    Mr Bud (597) I'm trying to figure out what exactly it is about Palin that scares the piss out of liberals. Have you noticed they will take ANY situation and relate it to slamming her? Why do you suppose that is? I mean there is NO republican they pick on as much as her.
  • DS
    After asking you several times about why you are atheist, or why you hate God, I submitted a question to you about "whether it was because people have given you a hard time for being lesbian."  I did NOT call you names, or claim that you were subhuman because you're lesbian.  As a matter of fact, I think I told you that I loved you anyway, and that God also loves you!  I don't see why you are upset from that?  I feel like you just don't want to think about or discuss important things like the meaning of life, or why we're here and wat happens after this life.  Again, you say you don't care...but I don't believe that!  Now, can we reason together?  Can you answer some of my questions that I asked you earlier?  i really would like to know why you believe what you believe Dora.  I have told you why I believe what I believe.  Can you at least give me the same respect?  Maybe we can all learn something from this.
  • MR. BUD
    Dora (598)

    Dora, maybe you are a human being.  Maybe, just maybe, there is hope...

    I know God loves you whether you accept it or not.  That is my belief.  I love you through Christ whether you accept it or not.  That also is my belief, you can never change that.  I could never hate a human being - I am taught to hate sin...  Can you dig?
  • MR. BUD
    Jr (596)

    In the case of Sanford (I REALLY liked him, btw, seeing as how he is such a soft-spoken libertarian), I think temptation got the best of him. And? It is human nature. How many of the HuffPo editors slapping Sanford's emails all over the place have lived perfectly moral lives? Come on now.
    As always, this is not a party issue either. Sanford came clean to his wife weeks ago, she is really the first one who needs to forgive him, not us, not the people of South Carolina (how many of THEM have had affairs? REALLY?), and certainly not the democrats. If they are ok with it, it's their marriage and their business. Let THEM work it out.

    Let's not forget Liberals do not look at things in reality.  They have a way and that's it...  No room for tolerance when a conservative does something and all tolerant when a liberal does the same thing.  I agree with you 100% about he who is without sin, let him throw the first stone.  Gotta remember, liberal democrats only consider it a sin after they get caught and they can't lie out of it.

    In the case of Sanford, I really don't know much about him but I guess if I watch the news I am about to learn a great deal more than I probably should know.  I could come right out and say he is just another scum bag politician, and that may be the case but, I try not to judge in those cases because we will never know the real truth.  Even if a politician stands up and admits guilt, I still have doubts.  That's a shame we cannot trust our elected leaders more than we can.

    Wonderful posts, keep up the good work.
  • Dora
    DS- just as a note to you,  your request regarding a rational discussion was posted as I was composing another post in response to something previously said.   After submitting my post I noted that you had placed something there and read it at that time.  It's been a busy news day so I paused to read and  listen to news reports on Farrah and later M. Jackson.  Following dinner preparations for the dogs, the cat,  the outdoor critter care,  and family dinner,  the dog walking,  and a phone call from my 80-year old mother needing assistance- I returned here to see that you are upset.   I appreciate your call to have a reasoned discussion with someone you know is an atheist.  What I don't appreciate are comments made by you above regarding my personal life - stating that because I am lesbian, this  somehow makes me angry or bitter or hate-filled or some such nonsense .  Apples and oranges,  DS.  Apples and oranges.  If you insist that 12+5= shoelaces it's pretty difficult to engage in reasoned discussion.   Get this clear,  DS-  I operate just as you do- different plumbing but I bleed,  cry, drive,  walk,  sing,  speak,   celebrate,  and every other single thing you do every single day.   We are humans.  We are more the same than we are different.
  • Jr Accountant
    Oh btw, Dora, you said "Obama continues his high level of popularity despite your sour grapes and jealousy."

    His high level of popularity where? Wall Street? The Middle East? Russia and China probably think he's TOTALLY AWESOME, it will make it easier for them to dump their US dollar holdings and at least retain *some* of their investment value while his Bernanke and crew are destroying the $.

    It looks like the "Obama High" is finally wearing off here in the United States. I don't know about YOU but uh that's the important sector to watch when it comes to Obama approval. Just in case you didn't catch that. And what's this? Obama's approval rating recently slipped to the lowest yet? curious! http://www.gallup.com/poll/121028/Obama-Job-App...

    So yeah, we're *totally* jealous.
  • Jr Accountant

    Looks like they are getting picked off one by one. What we must remember here while we're obviously being targeted (it isn't enough to have BHO running the show in the White House with his Tax Cheating Entourage of Doom and a Dem majority in both houses? When is ENOUGH ENOUGH?!) is that politicians open themselves up to these criticisms.

    So unless there is someone left in the GOP who still holds our fundamental beliefs above all else, we're going to see more of these "witch hunts" and "admissions" and what-have-you.

    In the case of Sanford (I REALLY liked him, btw, seeing as how he is such a soft-spoken libertarian), I think temptation got the best of him. And? It is human nature. How many of the HuffPo editors slapping Sanford's emails all over the place have lived perfectly moral lives? Come on now.

    As always, this is not a party issue either. Sanford came clean to his wife weeks ago, she is really the first one who needs to forgive him, not us, not the people of South Carolina (how many of THEM have had affairs? REALLY?), and certainly not the democrats. If they are ok with it, it's their marriage and their business. Let THEM work it out.

    Meanwhile, how long do you think it has been since the Clintons slept in the same bed?

    Point being, the GOP needs to be SHARP right now. We don't have time to play around knowing every single viable 2012 candidate will be in the crosshairs for the next 3 years.
  • MR. BUD
    Here is a little "Just being myself" act from a liberal:

    Apparently John Kerry gave his opinion on the Mark Sanford ordeal to a gathering of people in Washington and tried to have a little fun at Sarah Palin's expense.

    The Bay State senator was telling a group of business and civic leaders in town at his invitation about the “bizarre’’ tale of how South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford had “disappeared for four days’’ and claimed to be hiking along the Appalachian Trail, but no one was really certain of his whereabouts.
    “Too bad,’’ Kerry said, “if a governor had to go missing it couldn’t have been the governor of Alaska. You know, Sarah Palin.’’
    The Democratic-centric crowd laughed.

    Courtesy of Hot Air and The Boston Herald.  What exactly did he mean by that remark?  The Boston Herald claimed it was just Kerry "channeling his inner Letterman."  It sounds to me as if Kerry wishes Palin would just fall off the face of the earth completely, and it wasn't entirely a joke to him.  I'm sure he does wish Palin would do something equally as stupid as Sanford, because that would mean one less GOP candidate in 2012.
  • DS
    I agree with you.  We have to be intellectually honest with everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike!  What is good for one is good for the other.  I want those who are speaking for me to be people of high moral character, preferably those who know God.  I don't point fingers at only Democrats when they fail.  I do the same for Republicans!  I believe there are obviously different levels of immorality, but trying to play that game is a losing battle.  I could make the case that because Sanford admitted his sin, apologized and has asked forgiveness for it, that he deserves another chance.  And I believe that God's word would even support that action.  And how many times have we heard the Democrats admit, apologize, and ask forgiveness?  Not many that I can think of.  But agian, why get into that discussion?  It will only lead to pointing fingers at each other....just as what is happening with almost every issue today!  I would rather see congress create a law which would dictate that ANYONE caught doing blah, blah, blah would be forced to resign...no matter what excuse they use or how sorry they are!  That way we would all be playing on the same field, and politicians would have to think twice before committing crimes and immoral acts as they are today.
  • DS
    You constantly berate others for "inviting them to leave rather than engage in  any discussion with people that disagree with statements made or non-factual items presented as truth."  Well, I have attempted to engage you in the discussion about "truth" itself, yet you have no response other than "I don't appreciate your constant bible thumping.  It brings nothing to the conversation because your beliefs are your own- not mine. I don't care if you wish to believe in your god.  I do not share in your beliefs."  Well, that doesn't sound like someone who is willing to have a discussion about things they disagree with does it?  You are being quite hypocritical Dora, yet you like to call others hypocrits!  Why don't you live up to your own expectations Dora?  Why not be intellectually honest for a bit?  Let's reason together Dora.  I want to hear a clear, well thought out rebuttal to my assertions that God exists, and that He is TRUTH!  Again, just denying it doesn't make it so!!
  • MR. BUD
    WOW! Dora, you're smart.  I only knew one song in minor...
  • Aliy
    DS-- I made an observation the other night on here about how Victoria Woodhull was run out of Washington for her being "loose" and how that's so not the case anymore. I believe you are with me when I say we don't want ANY politician in office speaking for us if they have no morales. The problem with Democrats is that you don't expect any better from them than having sex with strangers in truck stops, so since Dems don't have any morales they let their leaders get away with that crap and keep electing them. I too think Sanford should resign as governor as well. What he resigned is a start, but really, I think it's time we return to the days of running "loose" people the hell out of office!
  • Aliy

    I'm with you on 582--GOD HELP US ALL!!!
  • Aliy
    Dora said:

    Aliy-  again your stupidity is alarming.   Cheney is not president anymore... McCain never was nor will he ever be.   Obama is the face of this country as it relates to our foreign policy.   Your "princess" comment is another example of your continued stupidity.  
    Obama continues his high level of popularity despite your sour grapes and jealousy.   You and Jackie and Bud and DS  represent  what's left of the pinheaded, uninformed,  backwards,  dogma-driven 10-12%  of fanatics that used to be known as the republican party.    You are amusing only in that your self inflicted wounds and fears drive you to even more wounds and bigger fears. 
    Better go hide.

    I never said Cheney OR McCain was president. I said they challanged Obama's stand on Iran and his answer was "I'm president, you're not" like the baby you are, no wonder you think your answers are good when your messiah is spouting baby crap like that as a defense to be a puss.
  • Aliy
    Dora, you said:

    Did you go to school at all?  If so,  what did you do there  aside from wasting tax payer money?  

    I am happy to report, unlike you suck off the rich democrats, I PAID for my education with MY OWN MONEY. Thank you.

    You also said:

    Your understanding  (or lack thereof) of the toxic emissions and pollutants  is alarming.  Your  acceptance of  these  offenders  is equally alarming.  

    And how many years of earth science and ecology classes do YOU have under your belt because what I said was SPOT ON. Plants NEED carbon monoxide, do you think they don't? I learned this in 6th grade science, the whole photosynthesis and how they make oxygen. Your lack of any proof sited yet again shows how dumb you really are.

    You say you are a member of Mensa, well, I guess it takes a genious to mis-understand the obvious.
  • Dora
    If you feel that you, Mr. Bubbles, Aliy, DS, and Jackie are the only ones on this site,  you are probably correct.   You four have gone to great lengths to call people stupid, idiots, cheats, liars, sheep, lemmings,  and worse- inviting them to leave rather than engage in  any discussion with people that disagree with statements made or non-factual items presented as truth.  This is what you do- constantly.   Jackie loves to say that liberals have no morals (note the spelling, Aliy) - an absurd statement yet she continues to mouth this crap.  Jackie loves to present liberals as those having no interest in family values or love of America.  More absurdity.  You,  Bubbles,  join right in on this activity.  Mob mentality- nothing more.   Jackie loves to claim some sort of superior background that places her mountains above others- including basket weavers.   I have never woven a basket-  but I do hold two majors with minors in two others.  I speak English,  French, Latin, Spanish,  Chinese,  Japanese, and Greek.   I can get by in German but am not fluent.    It's terribly tiresome for someone like Jackie who claims to be educated in some capacity yet is unable to communicate other than to present herself as a gutter snipe with a foul mouth at the ready for any who walk her way.  
    Bubbles-  you have the capacity to learn.  You elect not to do this, instead relying upon false information provided by others.    This is your choice.  I offered a reasoned discussion.  You declined.  Your loss.   You are where you want to be,  apparently.
  • DS
    You are correct in your understanding of how men define truth and evil.  And isn't that really the root cause of the world's problems?  The fact that everyone has their own definition creates a world that is unstable and unreliable, where man is unable to come to any agreement about things that are ESENTIAL to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?  I agree with you that greed and religious differences are two of the things which have caused a lot of the problems in the world.  But, I'm sure you will agree that both of those will ALWAYS exist.  Therefore, do we just throw up our hands and quit?  Do we stop trying to make the world a better place?  How do we do that?  Do we allow evil to continue when we see it, or do we do something about it?  How about greed?  Do we make excuses for it, or do we speak out against it and prosecute those who use it against others?  And how do we deal with the different religions around the world?  Unless there is a "truth" which transcends ALL religions and individual definitions of truth, how do we ever bring peace to the world or end the evil devices of man?  Some will say that it is an impossible task, but I disagree!  I believe that God created the universe and all of the laws of the universe (both physical and spiritual), and He alone IS THE TRUTH that we need to accomplish these things!!  But God didn't create us as robots Dora, to manipulate us in whatever way he wanted.  He created us with a "free will" so that His love for us would mean more when we returned it to Him!  If we love Him because we WANT TO, and not because He forces us, then it pleases Him more!  It is the same way we love OUR children.  We can try to force them to love us, and they may even fake it in order to make us think they do.  BUT, if we just love them and ALLOW them to make their own decision to love us, when they show their love towards us it means so much more to us!  That's how God loves us Dora.  And what's even more incredible is that He loves us UNCONDITIONALLY!!  He loves us even when we're not lovable!!  He loves us when we're doing and saying the wrong things!  He CHOOSES to love us because He created us and WANTS our love!  He desires us to KNOW HIM and to experience TRUE LOVE, and to KNOW real truth!!  Then, and ONLY then will we be able to change the world and make it a better place for everyone!!  There will always be evil in this world Dora.  BUT we can do everything we can to make it better by looking towards God for THE truth, and allow His truth to become real....first in our own hearts, then to the rest of the world!  This is why we were created Dora, and this SHOULD be the goal of each and every one of us!  Why quarrel with each other over foolish things which don't really matter in the scheme of things?  Why do we call each other names and argue about who is right or wrong?  We do that BECAUSE we want our truth to be THE truth for everyone else!  I'm saying that we should be looking at THE TRUTH of the universe which was created for each and every one of us.  Yes, there are many religions, and they all believe that they know THE truth.  And it hasn't worked out very well has it?  God says that "you will know THE truth, and THE truth will set you free."  Jesus said "I AM THE way, THE truth, and THE life.  NOBODY comes to the Father but BY ME!"  History lesson.....and it has been proven by many who witnessed it.......Jesus died, was buried, and was raised from the dead by God the Father!  He is the ONLY man in history to have done this!!  Mohammed didn't, Buddha didn't, and no other religion can make that claim.  Does that not prove anything?  Death didn't conquer Jesus!! Why?  Because He was God in the flesh!  He returned to the earth that He had created for one purpose....to provide US a way of escape from the evil that exists in the world.  He obviously didn't take us out of the world, but He gave us something that would help us while we were here.  And since we all die, His gift also provided us a way to live eternally WITH Him!  Without this gift, we are all destined to live eternally separated from Him.  But the good news is that His gift is FREE Dora!!  You can have it if you want it, and ALL that you have to do is to receive it!  He has already offered it to EVERYONE, and like any gift, you need to take it to make it yours.  Otherwise, if you refuse a gift, you are telling the giver that you don't want it.  Then, your future in this life AND in the life to come, will depend soley on the decisions you make.  You will make your own truth, and you will live and die with that truth.  God has provided us a blueprint of life Dora.  He has documented everything from when, how, and why we were created to how to live a peaceful and righteous life here on earth.  But the greatest gift of all is eternal life with Him after we die!  Without accepting His gift of Jesus Christ's atonement for our sins, we are destined to live eternally separated from Him.  Have you contemplated eternity Dora?  You say you haven't, and that you don't care.  But I don't belive you Dora.  Why?  Because God created ALL of us with the same desire to know Him, and to desire more than we have in this life!  Nobody can tell me that they are totally satisfied with this life, and with everything that happens to them.  God doesn't lie Dora!  When He states that we were created in His likeness and with His desires, I believe Him!  I know because I have experiewnced it myself!  I grew up knowing ABOUT God, and about Jesus Christ.  But like most of us, I decided to do live my life the way I wanted, and to develop my "truth" for myself.  Life was good in a lot of ways, but there were things which I didn't like, or didn't understand.  Why was there so much evil in the world?  Why couldn't people just get along, and leave each other alone?  Why did people always misunderstand me, and I them?  Why was I created?  What is this life all about?  Where was I going when I died?  Did I have a choice?  Then one day, something happened which caused me to cry out for God!!  My wife told me she didn't want to be married anymore.  I had two beautiful children who I loved, and didn't want to live without them.  I needed help, and I knew that God was the ONLY answer!  When I cried out, He was there!!  He put His arms around me and offered me that free gift that I spoke about earlier.  I took it Dora, and I have NEVER regretted it.  He has taught me His truth, and has given me everything that I need to live peacefully in this life.  I also KNOW where I will be when I die, and that gives me hope that only God can give!  Man can't provide any of these things Dora!  Man makes promises that he can't fulfill.  He manipulates us to do what he wants us to do, and uses us for his selfish desires!  Scripture (Numbers 23:19) reminds us that "God is not a man that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind.  Does He speak and then not act?  Does He promise and not fulfill?"  You can ALWAYS trust God Dora!  Seek Him and you will find Him!!  He loves you Dora...just as you are!!!
  • MR. BUD
    See there Dora, I'll bet you feel a lot better don't you?  You have degraded everyone on this site.  I could see where you wouldn't realize that you are the only REAL IDIOT here.  Huh?
  • Dora
    Dora, if the only way I could feel good is make the other person look more stupid than me, I'd just shoot myself.

    You see?  Now here is another example of poor education.  It's a common error but easily mended.  I am trying to help you,  Mr. Bubbles.  Here's a hint:   hmmmm  do I use "me" or "I"?   Here is how this is decided...   which is correct? 
    "...make the other person look more stupid than I am stupid."
    "....make the other person look more stupid than me am stupid."

    practice,  practice, practice. 
    Do you want people to think that you actually think?
    Do you want people to see that you make only knee-jerk uneducated reactions?

    Just as wearing dress apropos for a job application,  using proper English denotes your validity with regards to your ability to think and present credible arguments. 

    Jackie needs to learn that "human being"  are two separate  words among many other things.

    Aliy is pretty much hopeless without the hire a personal tutor and an intensive study on homonyms : their use and differences. 

    DS-  I don't appreciate your constant bible thumping.  It brings nothing to the conversation because your beliefs are your own- not mine. I don't care if you wish to believe in your god.  I do not share in your beliefs.  The fact that you continue to use your bible as your own personal spear to inflict threats, insult,  or injury at me makes you look just plain silly.   I don't care how the universe was created.  I don't care what happens to me after I die.  I am much more concerned about how I live.   How I contribute to the betterment of my family,  my town,  my state,  my country, and my world.
    Evil is a relative word.  Every society on the planet have their own definition of this-  Neither you nor I have rights to it's "true" meaning.   We have, as a society,  created rules/laws to maintain order and equality and to address the general betterment of our society in total.  There will always be those who feel these rules do not apply to them- or will take a route around these rules feeling that they can get away with it and it will advance their own perceived needs or desires.  This upsets the equality of all who abide with the rules in place.   Wars are caused by religious dogma,  greed,  and individuals with unresolved mental issues.  People who feel the urgent need to impose their personal will upon others.  Sort of like you, DS.   You,  Jackie, Aliy and Mr. Bubbles continue to fear things that you do not understand.  You  take no action to attempt any understanding,  finding it easier to demonize or marginalize any who you find a threat to your unfounded "beliefs" and fears. 

    Jackie is an excellent example of those who consider some humans above others.   She refuses to even consider the words of others not in her immediate "like" circle.   This is,  simply put, brain dead.  A brain that has ceased to grow,  to learn,  to understand.  She has absolutely no interest in this.   A tragic waste of plasma.  This is a woman destined to grow old alone, wondering where everyone went.
  • JackieM
    Dora--you  have a choice not to read this site.  you don't understand anything we say because you don't have common sense.  that is your problem.  obviously, your basket weaving degrees aren't helping you either.  you are done here so move on!
  • DS
    Dora (568),
    What was that supposed to mean?  Usually when someone asks someone else a legitimate question they provide a legitimate answer.  That's kind of how society works you know!  Do you not live in the same world as we do?  We would like you to, but you continue to refuse to answer questions directly and honestly.  All you want to do is to call names and repeat quotes from your liberal websites!  And you always claim that you are the intelligent, educated one on here, and that everyone else is stupid.  Will you please just stop for one minute and carry on an intelligent conversation with me?  I have not been belittling you Dora!  I have tried to show you how much God loves you!  Yet you blaspheme Him and throw insults at me.  Why?  Can we just communicate Dora?  What is truth Dora?  How do you determine what is right and what is wrong?  Can we spend some time on here discussing this VERY important question?  How in the world will we ever come to the truth if we never discuss it?  I have many other questions as well. 

    1) Explain to me how the universe was created. 
    2) How do you explain the existence of evil in the world?
    3) How do we define evil?
    4) Where are we going after we die?
    5) Why can't man just get along?  Why is there always war?

    Finally, I would like to make sure that you understand where I come from on the Sanford situation.  I agree with you that what he did was terrible, and that he shoudl resign for the benefit of his stae and his family.  We don't need/want ANYONE in public office who cheats and lies!!   That said, this goes for both parties Dora!  I don't like the hypocrisy that exists in the media and in Washington either!  Why aren't both sides expected to live up to the same code of ethics?  Shouldn't they?  Wouldn't an unbiased judge rule the same way for anyone who breaks the code?  Isn't that the meaning of unbiased, and isn't that what judges should be if we want a lawful society?  Just my thoughts about Sanford and ethics.  I would be interested in hearing yours.
  • MR. BUD
    Dora, if the only way I could feel good is make the other person look more stupid than me, I'd just shoot myself.

    There are 'SCUM BAGS" on both sides of the isle.  There's just more on your side and the conservatives don't yell as loud as the liberals. A liberal can cheat in a marble game and the word is, he's new or just made a little mistake.  A conservative can cheat in a marble game and it seems like he blowed up the whole country!  Every liberal news outlet grabs it and runs with it.  Why is that?

    By the way, you're the biggest scum bag I have ever seen.  Most scum bags have some sort of a brain - YOU DON'T!
    Dora (579)
    Obama is the face of this country as it relates to our foreign policy

  • Dora
    Aliy-  again your stupidity is alarming.   Cheney is not president anymore... McCain never was nor will he ever be.   Obama is the face of this country as it relates to our foreign policy.   Your "princess" comment is another example of your continued stupidity.  
    Obama continues his high level of popularity despite your sour grapes and jealousy.   You and Jackie and Bud and DS  represent  what's left of the pinheaded, uninformed,  backwards,  dogma-driven 10-12%  of fanatics that used to be known as the republican party.    You are amusing only in that your self inflicted wounds and fears drive you to even more wounds and bigger fears. 
    Better go hide.
  • Dora
    newsflash to Jackie:  you are already sick.
    As I see you constantly repeating absolute absurdities that came from Beck and the rest of the idjits-  I am surprised that you failed to note Sanford as a democrat as Faux News did.  

    1)  Sanford ran as (yet another) self-proclaimed god-fearing,  high standards,  family man,  a family values kind of guy that only good republican mothers can squirt out and raise in the light of that goodness that only republicans can provide. 
    2) Sanford left his elected position as head of state  giving no information as to how he could be reached  should a state emergency require his attention.   He was more interested in a booty call than a phone call.  His priority was his penis not his people. The people of this state are understandably upset.

    I don't feel sorry for the guy- he abused the trust of the people who elected him and abused the trust of his family.   He is a class A hypocrite who did exactly what he so loudly chastised Clinton for doing.  He lied -to his family and to his people.    Sanford said  concerning Clinton: "The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust," he told CNN. "And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything."
    If  found that government funds were used to facilitate his meetings with his girlfriend there will be even louder calls for him to be impeached or for him to step down.   As of the moment he stands as a cheat,  liar,  and major hypocrite. 

    Regarding your statements on Cap and Trade-  your representation of this bill is so filled with nonsense and stereotypes of low income people that you serve only to prove your low IQ level.   Your understanding  (or lack thereof) of the toxic emissions and pollutants  is alarming.  Your  acceptance of  these  offenders  is equally alarming.   You again have managed to repeat Glenn Beck's thoughts that it's no big deal.  You are so damnably ignorant it's dangerous. 
    and finally...
    Why don't you get your mother to look over your posts before pressing "submit"?   Did you go to school at all?  If so,  what did you do there  aside from wasting tax payer money?   You, Jackie, and Bud rant and rave like crazies on the corner  with not just lunatic accusations - you three are entirely unable to formulate a coherent thought,  proper grammar,   accurate quotations, and simple spelling.  I have said it before and will say it again- nobody with a working brain take people like you seriously when you display such basic ignorance and stupidity on a regular basis.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--we are screwed!  obama is dangerous and our country is in trouble because of his supporters.  we have people like dora who have no common sense and will continue to support him.  therefore, his poll numbers are still high despite the obvious problems he is causing.   this makes me sick!
  • Aliy
    Man this country is SO screwed!
  • Aliy
    Did anyone else see the other day where Obama dodged a question and the next reporter stood up and said "First, can you answer HIS question, then we'll get to my question" It was AWESOME

    Also, did anyone catch his little "I'm the president of the United States" piss when someone said "McCain and Cheny have both said you're being soft on Iran" and that was his whole response "I'm the president of the United States!" that's like a little girl going "I don't need to clean my room, I"m a Princess!"
  • Aliy
    And one last thing. Someone asked on ABC last night who was going to make this list of "unnecessary procedures" and Obama said

    "My grandmother was diagnosed with terminal cancer, they gave her 6 months, she fell and broke her hip, the question was if or not she should get the hip replacement, American's struggle with that everyday"


    If Obama wanted to tell us another story about HIM HIM HIM he should have given a speech from the Oval Office NOT tried to call it a Q and A sessions, what it is is a Q and DODGE session. Why even let people into the room if you have NO intention of answering any of their questions!?
  • Aliy
    No HOT DOGS FOR IRAN! Bad regeim, no cook out for you!
  • Aliy
    And Dora, let's get one thing straight ok. The reason it's a big deal when a Republican sins is because republicans have MORALES. No one expects any better from a democrat, you all sin and lie in mud daily so no one is outraged when democrats do something immoral, we EXPECT it of you.

    And you will see Sanford loose votes over this because the people who elected him, I'd say 3 out of 5 believe this just TRASHED his trust.

    And as for the comment he's been strong on Iran, ha! That's great. Just yesterday he un-invited Iranian officials to the 4th of July picnics! Now, you say he's been hard on Iran but he had invited, and up until yesterday, that invitation was good, radical extremeists to a freaking cook out! Yes, they are slaughtering their own people in the streets and Obama wants to give them hot dogs!

    As for the lunacy WE promote, we didn't have some crazy anti american kill a soldier, YOUR side did that. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones 

    You have no way to break the arguments on here, you can't win a debate by saying "no sir, you big jerk" Which is all you ever do. Make up your little poems, insult people for believing in God, when you're standing at the gates of hell, remember all the God bashing you did on this site.
  • Aliy
    Here I am in all my wisdom to explain Cap and Trade as simply as I can.

    Where some of it sounds good, (like controling pollution) there are worries.

    1. The point is to limit the amount of carbon dioxide companies emit. By making them spend money on polloution licenses!

    Which the government estimates, after they buy these licenses and pay fines for still going above the polloution limit, they will be raking in at least $300 billion a year! So, now it's going to be up to people who exhale (because THAT IS WHAT CARBON DIOXIDE IS) to come off $300 BILLION dollars per year for the right to breathe more than Obama says we should.

    2. If you can get your polloution under control and only let your employees breathe every few minutes instead of a few times a minute the rest of the world needs to survive, you can sell your extra credits to compaines that didn't make the cut!

    This is just nuts, you get that right? If you can control carbon dioxide and the guy next door can't you can ransom off your pollution rights you didn't use to him.

    3. With the money the governement is going to bring in in penalties and licenses, they plan to provide a subsidy for low income homes to get cheaper utilities!

    So, once again in the world of the liberal, the companies operating in a free market society being PRODUCTIVE are going to be paying penalties and the NON CONTRIBUTOR is going to reap those benefits.  Boy, didn't see THAT one coming huh?

    So there is cap and trade in a nut shell.

    I do want to point out one more little tib bit, Carbon Dioxide is what PLANTS AND TREES Breathe. They take in Carbor Dioxide, let off oxygen. We take in Oxygen, let off carbor dioxide. At least in the 80's they had some common sense with the whole "plant a tree" push, the more trees, the less carbon dioxide.

    Of course, Obama couldn't figure out a way to TAX planting a tree to give the money to the poor so that's no longer an option! Now, we just have to tax you hard for breathing.

    Oh, and in low income neighborhoods where they leave the wall AC unit (dripping CFC's) on all day because they are home with the 9 kids they spit out for welfare, and they have the TV going, all the lights on in the house and leave the front door open...they are going to get cheaper utilities!!!! If they were going to cap and trade, it should be fair across the board, not punish companies for carbon dioxide and give the money to someone who's one of the WORSE offenders out there.

    This is why I URGE you to write your congressman and tell them they will loose your vote if they vote yes on this on Friday.
  • Dora
    Looks like your people are making the news again. 

    Hal Turner, an occasional talk show host on internet radio and blogger, was arrested today by the FBI in his New Jersey home on charges he threatened to murder three federal appeals court judges in Chicago following their recent ruling upholding handgun bans.
    According to the U.S. attorney's office, postings on Turner's web site included photos of the judges and addresses for them, with statements such as: "Let me be the first to say this plainly; These judges deserve to be killed.
    Actually, Turner went even further. A day after Turner posted the original threat, urging readers that "it appears another lesson is needed," he posted an update with the names of the judges, along with photographs, phone numbers, and work addresses, right down to office numbers. In the update, Turner wrote: "Judges official public work addresses and a map of the area are below. Their home addresses and maps will follow soon. Behold these devils."
    "We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period," said Patrick J. Fitzgerald, United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, who announced the charges with Robert D. Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The United States Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey and the FBI Office in Newark are providing local assistance.

    This is the kind of lunacy you people promote.
    Not Funny.
    Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, you kill me Dora - Someday I would like to return the favor!
  • Dora
    Dear, demented DS, 
    Is your heterosexuality causing your brain to rot or are you just jealous?
  • Dora

    Good heavens...  (I put that there for DS so he would not feel left out)  did you go to school at all? 

    For those of you who like to travel,  actually Oze is a nice place to go!
  • Dora
    Thanks,  Jr- I'm here every night- don't forget to tip the waitress.
    keep that designated driver close and don't pick your nose in public.
    Dora, I do not know what pile of oze you dripped out of but I wish you would jump back in it.

    I really shouldn't be belittling you.  I think you might be a legitimate nut case and God don't like people to bug genuine crazy people.  So, if you really are crazy, I apologize.  If you are not, GET BACK IN THAT OZE!
  • Jr Accountant
    Oh my God you guys are killing me......... hahahahahahahahaha
    Dora, Dora, quit the whora.
    Give her much, she yells for mora.

    When she gets mora, she yells for Lora.
    Because Miss Lora, is another whora.

    Dora and Lora, yelling for mora.
    Because they're both quit the whora.

    Snakeshit!  I mean Shakespear...
  • DS
    I know that the truth hurts and causes your reaction, but it won't stop me from proclaimiing THE TRUTH to you!  You can say you don't sin all you want, but that doesn't make it so....and you know it in your heart!  God gave everyone a conscience Dora, including you!  And every person has an empty place in their heart that can ONLY be filled by God.  You also know that Dora.  No matter how much you try to ignore it, it is still there!  When you go to bed at night He is there.  When you get up He is there.  When you blasphemHe is there.  Isn't it a good thing that He doesn't just destroy us when we act the way we do?  He is such a loving and patient God Dora!  BUT He won't wait forever Dora!  You don't know when you will die Dora.  You may not wake up in the morning.  And you will be eternally separated from God!!  I know you don't want to think about that Dora, but not thinking about it doesn't make it untrue!  Why are you running from Him Dora?  What happened in your life to make you hate God?  You obviously have been around the church.  You have obviously heard a couple of christian hymns which you used to blaspheme Him again!  What happened Dora?  He knows what happened, and He wants you to give it all up to Him!!  He wants to heal you Dora...and make you whole again!  I know you have admitted to being a lesbian.  Is that what is causing all of your pain?  Do you hate God because there are some who hate you for being a lesbian Dora?  I don't hate you Dora, and neither does God!!  He loves you, and wants to heal you Dora!  He can make you a new person Dora and wash away ALL of your sins, including your sexual sins!  Ask Him to help you Dora.  He will do it!!!   Just repent and believe iin the Lord Jesus Christ!!  He will save you Dora!!  Do it tonight....before you go to sleep!!   Wake up as a new creation Dora!!  I am praying for you Dora!!
  • Dora
    I come and go at will... I have free will... unlike you, Buddy Boy.
    You are stuck in a sad,  sad rut.  
    Too ignorant to know and too old to change.
    How tragic. 
    I gave you a chance to be nice-  offered you an olive branch which you claimed to take.  I took you at your word,  Bubble boy.   Shows the worth of that word of yours now, doesn't it.
  • Dora
    Mr. Bubbles,  better sing or DS with have his god throw a tree on your big ole truck!
  • Dora
    I don't have sins,  DS.  I believe that I have mentioned this to you.
    Which is it,  a reading problem or a hearing problem- or is it just that misery loves company?   
    I don't need your crutch, your dogma,  or your fairy tales. 
    I have the great spaghetti monster,  a spork,  and Parmesan cheese.
    Oh!   What a friend we have in cheeses!
    I dunno. Making fun of the Gouda Book in such a Krafty way. Sacrilegious, any way you slice it.  

    Let's everyone sing!

    What a friend we have in cheeses,
    All our hamburgers to save.
    What a privilege to eat it!
    Cheese is what I always crave.

    Have some cheddar or some gouda.
    Or some swiss or provolone.
    Since it is the finest food group,
    Cheese should never stand alone.

    I once was lost, but now am fond-ue. . .

    I can't hear you , DS
  • MR. BUD
    Isn't it ironic that when some other stupid sounding shit head shows up on UC, Dora does to.  Hummmmmmmmmmmmm.
  • Dora
    DS...(yawn) ...
    The light's green,  time for you to move to the next corner and stop blocking traffic.   Take your sandwich boards with you.
    Did I ever tell you that I have a pair of JC water walkers?
    Great sandals.    Named them myself.
  • DS
    EVERYONE will pay for their sins....even you!!  It is time for EVERYONE to repent and BELIEVE in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins!!  And that includes you Dora.  God's Word is the ultimate TRUTH Dora, nothing else!!  Stop believing in your messiah, or anyone else in this world!!  BELIEVE ONLY in Jesus Christ Dora!  HE is THE way, THE truth, and THE life!!  NOBODY comes to the Father EXCEPT through Him!!  REPENT today Dora!!   Your life will change and you will see THE TRUTH!!
  • dora
    Aliy- take your head out of your ass, it's obstructing your hearing capacity.   President Obama has NOT remained neutral.  Go listen to what he said NOT someone else' s version .  
    Gov.  Sanford resigned only as chair of the Govs-  what he really should do- if he had any- would be to resign as Gov. 
    Edwards is paying a heavy price for his lies- and deserves it.
    GOP biblethumpers run on this imaginary morality and fall back in their own self created muck every single day.
    The party of morality?  
    Family values?
    Get out of town.   You are too, too funny.
  • Aliy
    PS- With all this distraction, it's time to start writing the congressmen and tell them they are going to loose our votes if they vote yes on Cap and Trade on Friday. Just didn't want people to forget it's FRIDAY they are going to sneak this 1207 page bill through!

    I've written my letter and sent it on to everyone I know to do the same.
  • Aliy
    As for Gov. Sanford, at least he has the common decency to RESIGN A POST, NOT Try to run for President like John Edwards did!

    Let's not play that "who cheated" game, the list on BOTH isles will be pretty damn long.

    Dora you also said:

    The world is viewing what is happening in Iran- how the protesters are being treated- how people are being "disappeared".  The world has seen this.  Iran has no place to hide.    All sane rational people of all political sides have said that Obama is taking exactly the right tone with regards to the election,

    What in holy frig are you talking about?! Even ABC who should change their name to ABK (ass barrac kissers) are calling him out for being a whimp on this one. Iran has no place to hide, NO ONE'S HIDDING because they believe the USA won't do anything anyway. Slaughter their own people in the streets but Barrack just wants to stay neutral, YES, the world DOES see Iran, and you know what, the world is also seeing this petty excuse for a man cower in the corner and refuse to take a stand for liberty and freedom.
  • Aliy
    Simons Dad: You said:

     Forget that "greeted as liberators" crap.  If you want to know what happens to oppressed people who are force fed freedom whether they want it or not, all you have to do is look at Iraq. 

    No one is saying we're going to be liberators, we're saying the president needs to take a stand one way or the other. How exactly did we go from "Mr. Gorbechev Tear Down That Wall" to "I really don't think we should get involved". And "force fed freedom" what in living christ do you think those people are in the middle of the street having their arms broken and their hair ripped out so hard scalp comes with it for? They WANT freedom. You can believe what ever you want, but no one is force feeding freedom down anyone's throat? They are dying for freedom, don't you get it, are you THAT dumb, even CNN, NBC and MSNBC are saying they are out there because they want freedom and I gotta tell ya, those 3 will screw up ANY STORY!
  • Dora
    simonesdad-  these people : Jackie, bud, DS, Aliy  are knee-jerk reactionaries.  they exemplify the term  "cowboy diplomacy" (which, in essence is: shoot first ask questions later)  they represent the frame of mind that caused peoples all over the world to question any claim of moral authority suggested by the previous administration -each day,  more  truth of the torture,  rendition,  nation building,  money wasted and given to war profiteers,  along with more war mongering has shown a bright light on the dreadful foreign policy and the economic and social failures of the previous administration.  these midquided individuals in this site will never get it.   never.   They like to think that they have some sort of moral high ground..  Pa leeeeeeze ! 
    Yet again today,  another "righteous"  conservative republican elected official who RAN ON FAMILY VALUES and biblethumpery has- after days of other lies,  admitted that he too was guilty of cheating on his wife.  Just the latest hypocrite to come forward - but not because he wanted to come clean- he came forward because he was caught.  
    Another one bites the dust. 
    Bubye to yet another individual the GOP had hoped to plop out there for a presidential run.   They are going no place as fast as they can.  I say,  when they are busy digging themselves in a hole- don't take away the shovel. 

    The world is viewing what is happening in Iran- how the protesters are being treated- how people are being "disappeared".  The world has seen this.  Iran has no place to hide.    All sane rational people of all political sides have said that Obama is taking exactly the right tone with regards to the election,  the results, and the treatment of protesters.  Only the fringe lunatics like these here have hiked up their six guns and stomped around in their cowboy boots.    We already know where their head is- and it's not located on their shoulders.
  • DS
    I have a lot to say to you regarding this, but I think the following says it pretty well......How can you justify it??  And, by the way, there are millions of Iraqi's who would love to tell you about their new freedom!!  But you refuse to listen to them.  You would rather listen to your left wing, anti-semitic, socialist friends!  Why is that?  Why can't you see the truth when it is staring yo in the face?  I can tell you why....you need Jesus simonesdad2009!!  Repent of your sins today!!  Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved!!  THEN, you will be able to see the truth, and the truth will set you free!!

    Ma’ariv (Monday, June 22, 09) by Ben Caspit and Ben-Dror Yemini (opinion) –
    Tell us, where is everyone?  Where did all the people who demonstrated against Israel’s brutality in Operation Cast Lead, in the Second Lebanon War, in Operation Defensive Shield, or even in The Hague, when we were dragged there unwillingly after daring to build a separation barrier between us and the suicide bombers, disappear to?  We see demonstrations here and there, but these are mainly Iranian exiles.  Europe, in principle, is peaceful and calm.  So is the United States.  Here and there a few dozens, here and there a few hundreds.  Have they evaporated because it is Tehran and not here?
       All the peace-loving and justice-loving Europeans, British professors in search of freedom and equality, the friends filling the newspapers, magazines and various academic journals with various demands for boycotting Israel, defaming Zionism and blaming us and it for all the ills and woes of the world—could it be that they have taken a long summer vacation?  Now of all times, when the Basij hooligans have begun to slaughter innocent civilians in the city squares of Tehran?  Aren’t they connected to the Internet?  Don’t they have YouTube?  Has a terrible virus struck down their computer?  Have their justice glands been removed in a complicated surgical procedure (to be re-implanted successfully for the next confrontation in Gaza)?  How can it be that when a Jew kills a Muslim, the entire world boils, and when extremist Islam slaughters its citizens, whose sole sin is the aspiration to freedom, the world is silent?
       Imagine that this were not happening now in Tehran, but rather here.  Let’s say in Nablus.  Spontaneous demonstrations of Palestinians turning into an ongoing bloodbath.  Border Policemen armed with knives, on motorcycles, butchering demonstrators.  A young woman downed by a sniper in midday, dying before the cameras.  Actually, why imagine?  We can just recall what happened with the child Mohammed a-Dura.  How the affair (which was very harsh, admittedly) swept the world from one end to another.  The fact that a later independent investigative report raised tough questions as to the identity of the weapon from which a-Dura was shot, did not make a difference to anyone.  The Zionists were to blame, and that was that.
       And where are the world’s leaders?  Where is the wondrous rhetorical ability of Barack Obama?  Where has his sublime vocabulary gone?  Where is the desire, that is supposed to be built into all American presidents, to defend and act on behalf of freedom seekers around the globe?  What is this stammering?
       A source who is connected to the Iranian and security situation, said yesterday that if Obama had shown on the Iranian matter a quarter of the determination with which he assaulted the settlements in the territories, everything would have looked different.  “The demonstrators in Iran are desperate for help,” said the man, who served in very senior positions for many years, “they need to know that they have backing, that there is an entire world that supports them, but instead they see indifference.  And this is happening at such a critical stage of this battle for the soul of Iran and the freedom of the Iranian people.  It’s sad.”
       Or the European Union, for example.  The organization that speaks of justice and peace all year round.  Why should its leaders not declare clearly that the world wants to see a democratic and free Iran, and support it unreservedly?  Could it be that the tongue of too many Europeans is still connected to dark places?  The pathetic excuse that such support would give Khamenei and Ahmadinejad an excuse to call the demonstrators “Western agents,” does not hold water.  They call them “Western agents” in any case, so what difference does it make?
       To think that just six months ago, when Europe was flooded with demonstrations against Israel, leftists and Islamists raised pictures of Nasrallah, the protégé of the ayatollah regime.  The fact that this was a benighted regime did not trouble them.  This is madness, but it is sinking in and influencing the weary West.  If there is a truly free world here, let it appear immediately!  And impose sanctions, for example, on those who slaughter the members of their own people.  Just as it imposed them on North Korea, or on the military regime in Burma.  It is only a question of will, not of ability.
       Apparently, something happens to the global adherence to justice and equality, when it comes to Iran.  The oppression is overt and known.  The Internet era broadcasts everything live, and it is all for the better.  Hooligans acting on behalf of the regime shoot and stab masses of demonstrators, who cry out for freedom.
       Is anything more needed?  Apparently it is.  Because it is to no avail.  The West remains indifferent.  Obama is polite.  Why shouldn’t he be, after all, he aspires to a dialogue with the ayatollahs.  And that is very fine and good, the problem is that at this stage there is no dialogue, but there is death and murder on the streets.  At this stage, one must forget the rules of etiquette for a moment.  The voices being heard from Obama elicit concern that we are actually dealing with a new version of Chamberlain.  Being conciliatory is a positive trait, particularly when it follows the clumsy bellicosity of George Bush, but when conciliation becomes blindness, we have a problem.
       The courageous voice of Angela Merkel, who issued yesterday a firm statement of support for the Iranian people and its right to freedom, is in the meantime a lone voice in the Western wilderness.  It is only a shame that she has not announced an economic boycott, in light of the fact that this is the European country that is most invested in building infrastructure in Iran.  She was joined by British Foreign Secretary Miliband.  It is little, it is late, it is not enough.  Millions of freedom seekers have taken to the streets in Iran, and the West is straddling the fence, one leg here, the other leg there.
       There is a different Islam.  This is already clear today.  Even in Iran.  There are millions of Muslims who support freedom, human rights, equality for women.  These millions loathe Khamenei, Chavez and Nasrallah too.  But part of the global left wing prefers the ayatollah regime over them.  The main thing is for them to raise flags against Israel and America.  The question is why the democrats, the liberals, and Obama, Blair and Sarkozy, are continuing to sit on the fence.  This is not a fence of separation, it is a fence of shame.
  • simonesdad2009
    The people of Iran need only look back to the days of Bush 1and the first Gulf War.  We urged the people of of Iraq to stand up.  They did and we left.  And we know what happened to those who stood up then.  They were crushed.  Some of them (who lived) are probably planting IEDs right now.  The US has a poor record in Iran too.  That's not bashing America.  That's history.  If the people of Iran want freedom, let them fight for it just like anyone else.  Forget that "greeted as liberators" crap.  If you want to know what happens to oppressed people who are force fed freedom whether they want it or not, all you have to do is look at Iraq.  You can bet that the average Iranian knows more about the US than any of us know about Iran.  They are oppressed and we have free access to everything.  So what does that tell you?  They know what freedom is and what it looks like.  They know they are oppressed.  I'm not blaming the victim here but at some point the writing is on the wall and you make choices.  The Iranian people have it within their power to change their country.  They did it in 1979 and they can do it today.
  • DS
    Aliy, Jackie, Bud,
    You guys are AWESOME!!  I get up in the morning and you guys have already answered all of the questions!!  Aliy, you are right on with your response to amber.  "Cowboy diplomacy" as they call it IS what has kept us safe over the years!  The proof is in the pudding amber.  Look at the results as Bud has said in his post!  What would the world look like if we had not fought for ourselves AND for the freedom of the ENTIRE world?  Because we have taken freedom, liberty, and christian values seriously, God has blessed our nation in ways you don't even know!!  How many of the wars were we the underdog, and could have easily lost?  And look at the history of the natioon of israel.  They are ALWAYS the underdog, ALWAYS outnumbered terribly, but have still survived!!  Why?  Because God has been behind them!  God says that "no nation that is against Israel will prosper."  We could talk about what this means for days, as there is both a physical and a spiritual Israel.  But suffice it to say, Israel is God's chosen people. 

    Aliy, you are also correct about the antichrist!  He will appear "as Christ" who will promise peace in the middle east.  Everyone is looking for peace in that region, so he will be promoted as "the one" who can bring peace, and will be put into the most prominent position in the world.  Unfortunately, he will be inhabitated by satan, and after 3.5 years of peace all hell will break out!  This is what is called "the great tribulation", and it will be a time of great war and persecution that has never been seen on the earth!  Those who don't know God will wish they could die, but the "elect" will be saved by God.  So, yes, this will be a very scary time for the ungodly.  But if you are saved, you have God to protect you and to give you peace in the midst of it.  So I hope and pray for everyone on this site to be saved....to be born again in the spirit of God!  If you don't know how to do that, feel free to ask.  if you have heard the gospel and haven't responded to it, DO IT today!!  REPENT of your sins, BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ, and be BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of your sins and YOU WILL BE SAVED!
  • MR. BUD
    Somebody give me one good reason why our president shouldn't be supporting the people in Iran who want freedom?

    This is a win - win situation for peace loving people.  We are dealing with the radicals in Iran right now, right?  So what if we stood up for the people who what freedom and peace?  We have always done that right?  If the radicals win, granted we will still be dealing with them!  But, just but, if the good guys win?  Now we have a bunch of good guys to deal with instead of the liberals we are already dealing with and will be dealing with.  WHY DOES OUR PRESIDENT NOT SEE THAT?  We are going to deal with the radicals NO - MATTER - WHAT!
  • MR. BUD
    June 23, 2009 | By Nathaniel Ward
    President should support freedom for Iranians

    "President Obama came down off the fence and issued a statement that directly addressed the Iranian government for the first time," Heritage Middle East expert Jim Phillips reports on Heritage's blog, the Foundry.
    "We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people," the President said. "The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights."
    This is a welcome statement that follows the recommendations of Heritage experts, who also called on President Obama to abandon his fairytale quest to diplomatically engage a brutal dictatorship and instead actively support the Iranian people's struggle for freedom.
    "The Obama administration must recalibrate its Iran policy," argues Heritage Middle East expert Jim Phillips, "and take a tougher stance in support of the Iranian opposition's campaign for greater freedom."
    » Check back to Heritage's Iran Briefing Room for updates on the situation in Iran.
    Over the past week, hundreds of thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets. As many as 17 people have been killed and countless more injured, yet until the weekend President Obama's criticisms of the tyrannical regime had been somewhat muted.
    The President is rightly hesitant to inject US interests into an internal power struggle between President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and challenger Mir-Hossein Mousavi. But he must not confuse such involvement with the free world's obligation to support basic liberties.
    Speaking "in support of the Iranian people's struggle for freedom," Phillips argues, "is not meddling; it is an appropriate defense of basic human rights that are being trampled in Iran."
    Heritage foreign policy expert Helle Dale considers Iran's democracy movement a "golden opportunity to reach out to a population trapped in a positively medieval political system."
    Technology, Dale says, can be a powerful tool for those suffering under oppression. She cites the example of the Twitter social networking tool, which Iranian protesters have used to coordinate activities and spread news outside their country. The State Department rightly asked Twitter to delay planned maintenance to allow protesters to use it--but this is only one of many measures the U.S. government could and should take.
    Dale also recommends the President reinforce the need for a recount of the recent election, despite Iranian officials' reluctance to do so. In addition, she urges the administration to engage in broader public diplomacy and to call upon Iran's government to respect press freedoms.
    Phillips notes that "voicing support for Iranians struggling to reclaim their freedom promotes American ideals and universal human rights and advances American national interests."
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy (540)
    However, what is happening in Iran is a direct result of the Iraqi people getting freedom. Between Isreal and Iraq, that whole area of the world is seeing freedom for the first time and they want it too. So I guess you have to give Bush some credit for spreading democracy around the world. Now if only Obama would stop blaming him for everything and support the 1 good thing he did, he'd earn a little more respect from some of us.

    We have a BIG tendency in this country to over look the facts that these people are oppressed people.  (I should say, "Most people in this country", not all.)  Those people have lived under oppression all their lives.  For them, it's not like pulling a six month jail sentence and then being released.  NO!  It's permanent...  It's all the time...  It's their life.  It is life threatening dangerous for them to even mention FREEDOM or GOD in any form.  Yet, there are many christians among these countrymen who are meeting in total secrecy for fear of their lives.  They pray to the same God as I do.  MORE THAN WE COULD IMAGINE.  Why?  Because most of us are weak in our nature brought on from TOO MUCH FREEDOM.

    If the total truth comes out in the years to come, GW Bush will be a great link in the freedoms given to those countries.  I really believe this.  If everyone would quit listening to the radicals in this country and listen to their hearts, they would realize Iraq is another link in a big picture.  What if - - -  what if the United States would not have participated in any of the wars it participated in?  What would all this world we live in be like?  I can't imagine and you can't either!  I guarantee it is better that it would have been if the sacrifices had not been made.  Iraq was a gamble, so was all the other wars, it is also a sacrifice like all the other wars.

    This country is full of radicals, just like those countries around the world.  It's only that we have made, and continue to make the greatest sacrifices that we enjoy the greatest liberties.  We need to stand against the ones, even in our own country who would destroy those freedoms and send us into an oppressed state.  Our sacrifice has been greater than that of any nation around the world.  That is why we are the enjoy the freedoms we do today.  WE MUST REMAIN STRONG IN OUR QUEST FOR OUR WAY OF LIFE.  We must realize that the radicals in our own country are not different than those in foreign countries that want nothing more than to destroy this country and our way of life.

    So, we need to stay strong, pray for Iraq and Iran and the other nations who do not enjoy the freedoms we do because the quest for freedom by us has brought on our greatest sacrifices.  WE OWE IT TO THOSE BEFORE US to be strong and carry on...

    Thanks Aliy, DS and Jackie for your posts.
  • JackieM
    Aliy--obama scares the shit out of me too!  the liberals don't have respect for anyone and that is a huge problem.  Boxer should have been kicked out of the room at that point.  I would love for her to say that to me!  she wouldn't get a nice response.  obama has the same kind of arrogance and that is really hurting our nation.
  • Aliy
    It's that condesending attitude all liberals have been taking toward any military men and woman that encouraged that wack job liberal to shoot the poor guys in the recruiters office! (they can blame O'Reilly we can blame them when the shoe's on the other foot!)

    RESPECT the soldier!!!! Remember liberals, it's THE SOLDIER that protects your right to be an ass, it's THE SOLDIER that gives you a right to accuse conservatives of God awful things. It's THE SOLDIER that gives even Dora the right to speak the vile insults and dis-aggrements that come from her mouth. Start respecting the people that protect you liberal jerks!
  • Aliy
    And did ANYONE see Barbara Boxer on her high horse again? A military man refers to her as "ma'me" and she flips a cow telling him he must refer to her as "Senator"?!!!

    She's damn lucky she got a Ma'me out of him now a days. Who the heck is she to make a big deal about "disrespect" when he used respect. Should we all just start refering to her as "Master" or maybe "your highness"? Seriously.

    And the way she said it, like she was talking to a peasant! He's a decorated military officer and he refered to you with the respect a military officer uses and you chew him a new ass for not respecting you?! Get your head out of your butt because you're starting to stink Boxer!
  • Aliy
    That's another thing

    DS correct me if I'm wrong, but in the bible, doesn't the Antichrist appear Christ like and people follow him, the whole false prophet thing? Am I wrong on this?

    Scares the ever loving piss out of me, gotta tell ya!
  • Aliy

    what DS is saying is that taking a pussy policy is only showing the world he's a weak leader. He said nothing about Bush.

    I first must say I'm not a Bush supporter either, didn't really like the guy didn't like no child left behind, the whole being able to spy on my for no reason didn't exactly sit with me (like that whole, scare em into giving up their civil liberties) And my GOD the spending!!!

    However, what is happening in Iran is a direct result of the Iraqi people getting freedom. Between Isreal and Iraq, that whole area of the world is seeing freedom for the first time and they want it too. So I guess you have to give Bush some credit for spreading democracy around the world. Now if only Obama would stop blaming him for everything and support the 1 good thing he did, he'd earn a little more respect from some of us.

    And why would you call it "cowboy diplomacy" are you in favor of us sticking out our hands to terrorists and meeting demands?

    You know they put an offer on the table, 10 years truce if we pull all our troops from All muslim countries. Do you think we should negotiate with Bin Laden? Do you really trust him to NOT blow crap up? Do you really trust him to let people who want democracy to have it? You really are ignorant if you think we can trust Bin Laden and other terrorists to stop trying to destroy us because Obama says a few kind words. The man is NOT Jesus Christ, his words are not going to bring peace to the world.
  • JackieM
    amber--when are you and the rest on the left going to understand reality?  we will never achieve peace in this world!  it is a very good goal to have but there are people in this world who don't like freedom and are raised to hate any country that has it.  how hard is this to understand?  it isn't.  the mid-eastern culture is a put up or shut up one!  they don't give a damn about communication and discussion.  they think we are weak because of obama.  it is a simple and easy concept to see if you understand their culture any at all.  we will never be able to be pleasers as a nation and keep our democratic way of life.  obama is a pleaser and appeaser and we see how every policy he has implemented has failed.  this is common sense!
  • amber
    DS are you saying that the republican cowboy didiplomacy has brought us peace.
  • DS
    Thanks for post 536!  God bless those patriots and their families!!  I've often thought about trying to get into the Navy again since 911, but I haven't pursued it.  I may still try....

    Aliy 532,
    I totally agree with you.  And maybe the worst thing about obama's lack of response to Iran is that they are emboldened because of it which makes the world an even more dangerous place!!  obama's policy of being kind to our enemies will probably be what ignites the next World War!!  If he was strong and stood up to these dictators, they would probably back down at some point.  But the way he is going, they have NO reson to change their behavior!!  This is going to get very ugly....and soon!!
  • MR. BUD
    Myself being 69 years young and still active with an auxilliary of the United States Air Force, I couldn't help pass this along for reading.


    Ronald Reagan was elected governor of California and The Beatles owned the airwaves when Maj. Steven Hutchison first joined the Army. Much has changed since 1966, but Hutchison's love of country and dedication to service wavered little in the 43 years since he first enlisted. Last month, the 60-year-old officer became the oldest American to die as a result of combat operations in either Iraq or Afghanistan.
    And Wednesday, while tens of thousands of vigorous 20-somethings patrolled the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan, 52-year-old Sgt. 1st Class Kevin A. Dupont  passed away at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio from wounds suffered months earlier on an Afghan battlefield.
    While their high school classmates retire to golf courses and full-time grandparenting, a new wave of soldiers over 50 is demonstrating that for some age truly is a state of mind. And some, like Hutchison and Dupont, are paying the ultimate price for their service.
    The three-year-old change of policy that upped the initial enlistment age from 35 to 42 certainly contributed to an increase in the number of older soldiers serving on the front lines.  There are currently 3,954 Soldiers 50 and over serving in support of Operations Iraqi or Enduring Freedom, including 51 that are 60 or older, according to Army spokesman Lt. Col. Les Melnyk. Since Sept. 11, 2001, of the 1.9 million troops who have deployed, 39,386 have been 50 or older with 543 deploying at 60 years old or older. There have been 35 soldiers killed who were 50 or older serving in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
    Odds are that Hutchison and Dupont never met, but they would certainly have recognized in each other a similar devotion to country that didn’t fade as the decades passed. Sadly, both were felled by the contemporary insurgent weapon of choice: the ubiquitous improvised explosive device -- Hutchison in southern Iraq and Dupont in southern Afghanistan.
    Steven Hutchison, of Scottsdale, Ariz., joined the Army in 1966 and served two one-year tours in Vietnam. He served as a platoon leader in Germany and as a commander of a basic training company at Fort Jackson, S.C. before retiring from the Army in 1988, according to an Army release.  He received a PhD in psychology from the University of Delaware the same year and began a second career as a college professor, teaching at a handful of universities across California before retiring a second time, according to published reports.
    But after the terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001 and the death of his wife, Hutchison re-enlisted in 2007 in his late 50s and returned to life as a soldier. He served in Afghanistan for a year before deploying to Iraq with the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division based out of Fort Riley, Kan. He was leading a 12-man team of soldiers training the Iraqi Army May 10 when his vehicle was struck with a homemade bomb.
    His brother, Richard Hutchison, described Maj. Hutchison to The Associated Press as “very devoted to the service and to his country.” His awards include the Bronze Star and the Meritorious Service Medal.
    Kevin Dupont also gave the United States decades before he gave it his life. He joined the Marine Corps and served two four-year stints before returning to his native Massachusetts and joining the Army National Guard in 1984, according to a report in  The Boston Globe. Dupont, of Templeton, Mass., was assigned to the 79th Troop Command in the MANG, but deployed to Afghanistan as an individual augmentee attached to a multinational force, according to Maj. James Sahady, MANG spokesman.
    He was burned over the majority of his body March 8 when the vehicle he was riding in was struck by an IED not far from the Pakistani border, Sahady said. The driver was killed while another occupant was also injured.
    He spent the past several months under the close care of physicians at Brooke before his blood became infected with bacteria, according to a report in The Republican, a Massachusetts newspaper.
    His death Wednesday etched his name into Massachusetts military history as the oldest guardsmen to be killed in Iraq or Afghanistan, Sahady said.
    “The loss of a Soldier is a tragedy and we hope the Dupont family finds some consolation in the knowledge that 1st Sgt. Dupont gave his life while defending our great Nation ," Maj. Gen. Joseph C. Carter, Adjutant General of the Massachusetts National Guard, said in a statement released Thursday.  "We express our heartfelt condolences to the family members of 1st Sgt. Dupont, and especially his wife, Lisa .  He will certainly be missed, but we will not forget his brave service to our Nation and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts as a Citizen-Soldier. The entire Massachusetts National Guard family mourns the tragic loss of this loyal patriot.”
    Dupont's 33 years in uniform portrays a story of sacrifice and selflessness that Hutchison and scores more carry on years after many of their comrades retire.
  • MR. BUD
    Tonight: Karl Rove on conservative revival
    Tuesday, June 23 at 11:15 p.m. Eastern — Karl Rove, a former adviser to President George W. Bush and now a political commentator, will explain how conservatives can recover from political setbacks at the inaugural event sponsored by the Southern California Committee for Heritage. The webcast will  begin with brief remarks by Heritage President Ed Feulner.
    Watch the event live online on MyHeritage.org.
  • MR. BUD
    I have not figured this character out yet.  I still don't know if he is a silver tongue devil or if in his deepest self, thinks he is doing something good.  I know his ego tells him it does not matter that the falls are rapidly approaching, just keep rowing in the same direction.  I can imagine how his ego bulges when he thinks about the world looking at him and saying how much he has accomplished at such a young age.

    I think Obama is going to fall harder than any president in the history of this country.  I believe this will happen before the end of his first term.  Look at how fast he is screwing this country up; and how fast he is doing it!

    You see, at my age I think everyone who is as old as me should be thinking about the here-after and should be a christian/conservative.  I don't people think about the consequences of their thoughts or actions anymore.  It pisses me off something terriable when I see a little old white headed man or woman with an Obama bumper sticker.  I just want to pull them out and slap the shit out of them.  It's obvious they haven't learned anything in their life.  Sorry...

    I was getting some mechanical work done at my local service station and this older gentleman was in there.  I could tell he was a democrat.  I made a snotty little statement that I don't see how anyone that knew anything about politics could vote for Obama.  He said that he voted for Obama, then I ask him to give me a good reason why.  Know what his reason was?  He simpley stated "He felt it was the right thing to do".  I am glad he turned and left or I may have left hooked him.  So many stupid people just like that old guy around.

    Back to Obama and his administration, I have that feeling that his whole world is going to come crumbling down around him.  Ahhh, he can always blame Bush!
  • JackieM
    Aliy--obama rides the line with everything he does and his supporters call it "calculated."  well, that is a lie.  his actions can be described as "calculated" in regards to ensuring he upholds his celebrity and political status.  he is an idiot and does things "half-assed" when he does decide to get off his lazy butt and do something.  there is no way he puts a lot of thought into actually doing what is right for America.  however, there seems to by a lot of effort to destroy it.  apparently, this is the liberal way and his supporters are ok with it even if his actions bankrupt this country and make us less safe!
  • Aliy
    I also spoke to someone today about this whole Iran thing and it seems (because the person I spoke too is one of these die hard liberals) that even the left thinks Obama's being soft. But then they pointed something out.  Exact words here:

    "If he picks a side and that side looses how's he going to fix relations with the other guy, he HAS to stay neutral so he can forge an alliance with the winner."

    I don't WANT our country "forging an alliance" with ANY radical regiem!

    I want our president to stand up and say we support the people crying for freedom in the streets. Our support (not sending in the military, just us saying we're behind them) USE to mean something.

    We use to throw our support behind a group of country men who wanted freedom and it gave them MORE drive just to know the greatest democracy in the world supported their cause.

    Now, (just like we all predicted after the appology tour), we are laughing stocks. Don't think these things going on in the world aren't testing Obama, his policies overseas SUCK. And don't think for a minute Iran, Korea, and others aren't looking at Obama's reaction and going "pff, he's not a threat"

    Being the eleoquent speaker everyone thinks he is, this is the PERFECT time to use that power of the spoken word to make a real statement. He HAS the power to change things with a few words, he doesn't have to give a big speech, he doesn't have to tell us about his father when he was young, he just needs to say a few words "The USA supports the people of Iran and their cry for freedom" NEVER would a few simple words be so powerful. He would live in history forever, but he is pussyfooting around again trying not to make anyone mad at him.  

    I am sadden for the people in Iran and here and the rest of the world that our country has turned it's back on freedom seeking people elsewhere.
  • Aliy
    I'm really good at organizing and we need a catchy phrase Obama had "change" what should we have, "truth" I like that because it's about time someone in Washington ran on a platform of truth.

    I was looking deeper into the Woodhull/Douglass ticket and what went wrong with the first woman presidential nominee and black man vp nominee and it seems Woodhull was a bit loose. Strange how 100 years ago that would get you knocked out of Washington, today, being loose is pretty much a requirement for serving, how many people can we name that have been "loose" lately? I'll start, Edwards!
  • MR. BUD
    You know I never kissed a man...  If a man stood up and said I'm running for president of the United States and abortion is murder and homosexuality is not a way of life.  Marriage is between one man and one woman and I am a born again christian.  I might just kiss him!  I pray that will happen - it won't unless DS runs!

    DS & Jackie - 2012

    Me and Aliy will run the campaign show for you...
  • JackieM
    DS--i don't think I'm outspoken enough!  LOL!
  • DS
    I'm running...............directly to God!!  He is the ONLY answer!  And you are being too humble.  You would make a great candidate for any position you wanted!  So I say you and Aliy should run, and Bud and I will be your campaign managers!
  • JackieM
    Aliy--loved your posts!  so who is running you, DS or Bud?  i'll vote for all of you!  You just need to get together and decide among yourselves who wants what position!  i'll be there to help out in anyway i can.  just tell me!
  • Aliy
    My family and I were joking about the inauguration where it was going to look like Nazi germany, you know the Heil Hitler salute? It was going to be the same thing but a million people with their palms turned up waiting for the check Obama promised them!

    We need to find someone who will make enough noise, about the horrid direction we're in to appeal to those who DO contribute in the liberal party to sway them into thinking they need to pull the breaks on the train wreck.

    The answer will NOT be getting Acorn out (14 states, federal voter fraud charges....Unless Obama derails THAT investigation too) The answer will NOT be to go conservative light, the answer will NOT be to attack Obama the man, but attack the real issues and everytime he brings up his father, or whom ever he's fond of talking about this time.

    Just stop him and say "What did you're FATHER do when you couldn't make the mortgage, and your phone got shut off and repo guy came for the family car?" If he wants to talk about his history, make him talk about something related to the issues real Americans face everyday. Don't let him skate with a cute little story about when he was young.

    The answer is going to be making sure the contributor knows you're looking out for them and get the non-contributor to understand that the path we're on right now might seem nice to them, but 10 years from now, there will be nothing left for them to suck off. And if you have to put it that bluntly, go ahead, I think anyone paying taxes (which are going to be STUPID high by the time the next election comes around) will appreciate your honesty in laying the blame squarely on the non-contributors who are draining the system.
  • Aliy
    Jackie--I believe there is not enough opposition right now. Right now they only report about the republican party falling apart from the inside, and that's not entirely untrue. There are too many conservative lights in the part right now. I say, you want to be liberal, go be a liberal, get the hell out of the conservative party.

    We don't need people who's ideas are like "I'm against abortion, unless a girl's pregenant, that's a different story...." Get OUT of the party. Take the stand on the issue, see where you fall, if you don't fall in the conservative area, we take back your card and you have to go be a liberal!

    There are a few of us out there screaming the truth trying to make people listen and see, there are a few who sit back and say "he's only a one term president" but you have to remember, the people that got him this FIRST term are the ones he's going to appeal too again next election and they are the Non-contributers, what the hell do they care if we have a huge debt, what the hell do THEY care if we raise taxes, they don't pay em anyway!

    Up until Obama asked them to vote, they couldn't have cared less who the president was because they are non-contributors, the only people who CARE are the ones who are paying for the non-contributors so they can sit on their asses and non-contribute!!!

    And Obama was very smart to go out and rally the non-contributors by promising them the world, and in 4 years it's going to be "look at all the hand outs I've given you, give me 4 more years, you'll be rich" and they'll all fall for it again.

    All the non-contributors who are getting double food stamps and are watching the rest of the work class get knocked down a peg, that's what they want. They WANT the rest of us to loose out while they gain stuff. So I think we need to be REALLY clear on our attack next time around, if we don't we're in for four more years of non-contributors going over the top for a guy who ruined the rest of the country!
  • george bushy
    I love having s*x but i'd rather get some head.
    F*ck ann coulter and limbaugh
  • JackieM
    Bud--from the looks of it we may see these leaders emerge sooner rather than later.  with the 2010 election coming up, they should start to speak out!  i'm looking forward to that!
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, the problem we have with finding out about people coming to Christ from all nations is media reporting.  The last thing the liberal based news media in America wants anyone to know is something about someone getting saved.  Them making that kind of statement is worse than a conservative using the N word.  THEY JUST WON'T DO IT!  It is death to their cause.  We all know what their agenda is.  WE NEVER HEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT IS NEVER NEWS WORTHY.

    Like DS said, I believe the change is coming about.  It is slowly coming about.  I believe more of the Silent Majority is speaking out and more heads of churches are speaking out against opression.  This is what the conservative people need.  WE NEED LEADERS IN CONSERVATISM...
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, there are people turning to Christ in many of the muslim dominated countries. What will surprise you is to find out actually how many of those people are right here in the good ole United States of America.  I mean from every country on the continent.
  • JackieM
    I didn't realize there were people turning to Christ in Iran!  Wow!  I'm speechless for once!  God is good!
  • DS
    Thanks for the post on the Iranian church.  I heard that many Iranians are coming to Christ.  This is more confirmation that Chrsit is getting ready to return!  He is saving those who would, and then the end!  We need to keep praying HARD for all of our brothers and sisters in Christ in Iran and around the world as they will be facing great persecution in these last days!  I believe that yes, even in America, we will begin to see persecutions that we never thought possible in our country!  Everyone better be sure of their faith, and start seeking God with ALL of their hearts!!  Are you all ready to meet your God?  If not, then repent, believe, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins!!  Then you will be ready for the great and terrible Day of the Lord!!  Look up for your redemption draweth nigh!!
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, I pray there is.  I think there is - but who really knows?
  • MR. BUD
    Iranian Christians in U.S. praying for their homeland
    Associated Press - 6/20/2009 4:15:00 AM

    SAN DIEGO, CA - Members of the Iranian Christian Church of San Diego are praying for their homeland amid continuing turmoil over Iran's disputed presidential election.
     The Rev. Sohrab Ramtin, whose sermons are broadcast by satellite into Iran, says his congregation believes reformist candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi defeated President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, though the incumbent
    claims to have won a landslide victory.
    Ramtin says Iranian Christians hoped a Mousavi victory would ease persecution in Iran. Iran's supreme ruler, meanwhile, has warned Iranians to unite behind the country's Islamic system.
    Regime driving Iranians to Christ 
    The pastor of the Iranian Christian Church of Colorado says Iran's hardline Islamic regime has caused many Iranians to turn their backs on Islam and become Christians. The Rev. Ashton Stewart, who grew up in Iran, says God also has been converting Iranians in ways only God can.
    "God has been showing himself through visions of Christ, incredible healings, incredible experiences that have just confirmed for thousands of people that Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life," he shares.
    While many Iranians hoped for the defeat of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Stewart says his main prayer is that the post-election crisis will help grow the church in Iran. He's also asking American Christians to "pray for the persecuted" in Iran, where he says "there are many Christians in jail today, and some of them are being treated very, very brutally."
  • JackieM
    Bud and Aliy--do you think there is enough opposition to stop or postpone this?  i know that some democrats have finally wised up but the left-winged freaks are still there!
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy (512)
    I decided to look into it. They are NOT currently on universal healthcare, you know why? Becuase they can't afford it, they can't pull it off. There was an article I look into which read

    We are not going to be able to affort this stuff either.  It's kind of like how much you make vs how much everything costs.  A $100.00 ain't worth flip if a pack of cigarettes cost $99.00.  $5.00 ain't worth a flip if a gallon of gas costs $5.50.  My wife is a nurse and was in health care for many years before I made her quit.  I remember the greed that sat in when health care for older folk was put into place.  Medicare was extended to people who were of age.  Semi-private hospital rooms went from $150.00 to $600.00 over night.  Doctors lined up to run test on old people for the money.  Material lists became mandatory at hospitals and the government got charged for cotton swabs and bandades.  This stuff was unheard of before.  It will be even worse with National Healthcare.  IT CANNOT WORK!

    And some of you  (dora) might say I'm going overboard but if you read ANY history you'll realize THIS is EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany in the 30's, how Hitler got his power. Read a real history book written about someone other than Obama-messiah and you'll actually LEARN  something. Hitler came to power by promising the world to the masses, he then turned all his promises around to benefit HIM and NOT the people, starting enslaving them, making sure the ONLY media they had was HIS version of the story.....It's all in history if you just look....

    This is probably what our grand and great grand children are going to be saying about the Obama times.  SAD...
  • JackieM
    Aliy--i agree with you!  this is not the path we want for our country.  obama and his merrymen are not being prudent in anything they do.  they are doing a half-assed job at best!  they aren't addressing the issues and taking it step by step.  that would take too much effort and would be too political.  instead they want to rush a lame bill through quickly without people actually knowing what it says.  it is one of their games and the left will buy into it!  I know there is some opposition but i wonder if there is enough!
  • Aliy
    And some of you  (dora) might say I'm going overboard but if you read ANY history you'll realize THIS is EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany in the 30's, how Hitler got his power. Read a real history book written about someone other than Obama-messiah and you'll actually LEARN  something. Hitler came to power by promising the world to the masses, he then turned all his promises around to benefit HIM and NOT the people, starting enslaving them, making sure the ONLY media they had was HIS version of the story.....It's all in history if you just look....
  • Aliy
    Dora said someone's promoting violence and hate, like oh, I don't know, promoting the slaughter of our military men by islamic radicals? Hum, that claim can go both ways you know.

    So, I have been out of the country. I got to go overseas and I was in the Bahamas. Someone passed out in the casino at 9am, they called an ambulance and it pulled up to the boat (which was in port the WHOLE TIME) at 5pm!!! 8 full hours to get an ambulance and Nassau is ONLY 7 miles wide and 20 miles long!!!

    I decided to look into it. They are NOT currently on universal healthcare, you know why? Becuase they can't afford it, they can't pull it off. There was an article I look into which read:

    The bottom line is that both the specific and differing cost problems of the public healthcare and the private tourism industries suggest the country should -
    Not embark on the National Healthcare Plan until it has demonstrated concrete achievement in eliminating the inefficiencies enumerated in the BRC report.
    Evaluate the impact of the Plan on tourism.
    Evaluate the numerous suggestions proposed by Nadeem Esmail to lower the cost of the BRC proposal.
    Quite frankly, this is what any experienced and prudent businessman would suggest.

    So, this got me thinking about OUR universal health? What happens when other countries come HERE for vacation and get sick? What happens when WE go somewhere else and get sick?! Are we going to be given a "countries that trust Obama to pay back your medical bills" approved list or something? Has anyone addressed this at all?
    I also am looking forward to Wed. propoganda broadcast. It reminds me of the times I've seen on History Channel when Hitler would make the people listen to his Mein Kempf ALL NIGHT LONG. It's going to be strange to sit home and watch the first of what is no doubt a LONG series of propoganda broadcasts. Welcome to Nazi America.
  • JackieM
    just to clarify, i don't think morals equals giving people healthcare unless they pay for it themselves and i don't ever want illegal aliens to have healthcare in this country.  it is just ironic that democrats play the moral card when it suits them when their intention all along is to give government more power, bigger government, more welfare, and higher taxes for all those who work.  that is immoral!
  • JackieM
    i find it ironic that democrats think everyone in America is entitled to healthcare.  that equates to having morals.  if it is true (which it isn't) that democrats have morals, why is the killing of babies acceptable?  the hypocrisy in this party is really just ridiculous!  the half-assed approach they are taking will fail in the end just as obama's other policies have proven to be complete failures.  they are in such a hurry to pass a bill that they refuse to deal with the real issues--lobbyists, frivolous lawsuites, etc.  so until this happens democrats are continuing down their same path of f...... up America.  only idiots will buy what these morons are selling.
  • JackieM
    Bud, I really like your new site.  I left a post.  Liberals are being made fools of everyday by obama's failed policies.  People like dora won't admit to any of it and can't state facts to disprove it.  They have nothing and don't like people who disagree with their messiah.  they don't want us to have freedom of speech and to tell the truth.  instead, they falsely acuse us of everything that we are not!  her last post said it all.  hopefully, she will really take her own advice and give up.  we are not ones she can bother.
  • MR. BUD
    I hear you Jackie.  Click on my name and look at my new web site.
  • JackieM
    dora comes here to promote violence and hate.  that is something that we are not involved in so it pisses her off!  she can lie all she wants and will get away with it in the liberal circles.  to be in that group of people, you don't have to be very smart.
  • DS
    I don't care what Medved said, or what anyone else says about things that I know are right!!  Can you tell us why obama doesn't have a REAL birth certificate that he is willing to show us?  Get serious for one second Dora!!  If he were a conservative or a Republican and wouldn't show us his birth certificate would you be upset?  Wouldn't you wonder what in the world was going on?  I think you would, and that is what we're doing!  We're concerned citizens here!  If he has a REAL certificate proving that he is a REAl citizen, then bring it out for everyone to see and put a stop to this once and for all.  But he doesn't Dora!  Why don't you want him to provide it and stop this already?  Why are you being so over-protective of him?  Do you really put politics above doing what's right?  There is smoke here.....
  • MR. BUD
    Dora, do you not have a home or something?  I'm trying to figure you out here.
  • MR. BUD
    Dora, I'm sorry for the statement I am getting ready to make.  You have got to be one of the stupidest liberals on the face of the earth.  If you wasn't you would vanish from this web site.  NO!  You just keep showing up, right in the middle of 4 radical conservatives and try to make a point...  THAT IS UTTERLY INSANE!  You do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and you get the same results.  That is a genuine Webster's definition of the stupidest friggin person alive!
  • Dora
    Any further notations to you three are a waste of time.  As other sane and rational people hear the absolute garbage coming from you here, they will, no doubt,  feel the same.  
    It stops being laughable when freaks like you promote violence and hatred towards your fellow Americans.   We have seen the results of your irrational noise in recent weeks. 
    I am quite certain you cannot resist the opportunity to rant and rave at any who would disagree with your fractured "thinking.   The sane, rational folks armed with facts not phobias have moved on.
  • Dora
    regarding the "birthers" as you freaks are known,  one of your more conservative spokespersons said of you:
    The conservative talk show host Michael Medved recently referred to the movement's leaders as "crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters" who are "the worst enemy of the conservative movement."

    "It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company," he mourned.

    I don't often agree with Medved- here is an exception.
    With all of the M & M's that need alphabetizing you really need to get busy on more productive activities.
  • JackieM
    DS and Bud--i tend to agree with DS on his theory.  if he were a Christian and true leader of this nation, he would put freedom and human rights first.  he should be speaking out on this continually and he hasn't.  i have also noticed that he will use the words "God Bless America" only in certain instances when it suites him.  his father was a dead beat dad, which equates to a piece of shit.  that can't be disputed.  however, obama uses him in his rhetoric when it suites him.  he uses him in his speeches to show his muslim roots and that he is black.  however, he doesn't talk as much about his white grandmother who raised him.  she should get all of the credit and he should not give any time to his father.  this shows he is willing to go to any length to appease anyone who will buy into his garbage.  this moron has nothing else because everything he has touched has failed.  yes, i think obama is dangerous to us and to the world.  i know that i can't sleep at night knowing he is in office.  i've never been so worried about our country.  his supporters love this!  they are definitely evil people.
  • MR. BUD
    By the way DS, you are right in your post (496)
  • MR. BUD
    DS, the only birth certificate you will ever see is the phony one you see on the web.

    If Obama was an American, as he now says he is, why wasn't his book about the people who raised him instead of his idiot dad who was from Kenya and was Black Muslim.  Answer that for me.  OBAMA IS MUSLIM and he would be more than pleased if the United States was MUSLIM...

    The reason he can't provide an origional birth certificate, is because if he did, he could not be president of this country.  I would like to see something done about this.  It is totally wrong and the Democrats are in on it.  The main stream news is in on it and I don't understand it.
  • DS
    I don't usually indulge in conspiracy theories, but I am beginning to believe that obama is perfectly fine with everything that is going on in Iran, Israel, and everywhere else that Islam is being advanced.  If not muslim himself, he definitely is being torn between defending Islam versus defending his own citizens!!  Where is that birth certificate??  And why won't he just provide it and be done with it?  As the saying goes, where there's smoke there is usually fire!  He is very dangerous for the entire world!
  • JackieM
    DS--you are right.  however, i think we also need to show God that we are willing to stand up for what is right.  He expects us to do our part also.  we have seen time and time again that obama's policies have failed just as we knew they would.  right now obama is taking the wimps way out in dealing with Iran.  others can call it calculated if they want but that is a lie.  obama and democrats are now learning a valuable lesson.  "negotiating" will not work with those kinds of people.  "it is a put up or shut up" culture.  a lot of us knew this but democrats/liberals can't and won't understand this.  they continue to live in a fantasy world!
  • DS
    Jackie and Bud,
    After we repent we need to pray that God will remove obama and his thieves from office.  But there needs to be a true repentence first as I believe that our country is being judged by God because of our immorality and lukewarmness towards Him.  I agree with you both that we need to stop worrying about what ANYONE thinks, and start doing the right thing!  I don't think it really matters what the distribution is between Democrats and Republicans.  We need righteousness to prevail in our nation first, and God can change the politics in any way He wants.  Time to get ready for church.  Happy Father's Day to all of you Fathers.
  • JackieM
    Bud--the republicans should quit explaining.  only morons can't understand our principals.  we don't want those in our party anyway.  i never understood why people took Rush's comment out of context--where he said he wanted obama to fail.  well, except for the liberals.  they do this for propaganda purposes.  republicans should have just called the ignorant out and told them not to be so stupid and left it at that.  instead there was a long drawn public display of stupidity about the whole issue.  i've said it hundreds of times and i'll say it again:  i want obama to fail.  it is that simple!
  • JackieM
    Bud--you are right in that i have never really cared who i piss off when there is a real cause to stand up for.  i don't see why everyone can't stand up for what they believe in.  however, i don't sweat the small stuff, but i won't back down from my morals and values for anyone!  this country is a prime example of what happens when people aren't willing to take a stand.  the next thing we'll see is the marriage act extended to include marriages between humans and animals and plural marriages.  oh boy, i can't wait--not!  if obama has his way, i won't know if i'm in the bathroom with a man or a woman and that creeps me out!
  • JackieM
    BUD--i don't think you care who you piss off now!  LOL!  attack! 
    you are right.  the people who attack Palin are not republicans in the first place.  look at biden--there is no comparison between her and biden.  she is way beyond him in intelligence and common sense.  all i heard about him was that he had experience; however, for the life of me i have no idea what experience they are talking about.  he is a joke!
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, you mention wolves in sheeps clothing.  These are the very people who frown everytime Sarah Palin's name is mentioned.  I HAVE SEEN IT.  I have read it on these blogs.  You can go somehere new to a web site and mention her name and the wolf is the first one you hear from.  They always mention, she doesn't have the experience.  TO HELL SHE DON'T!  Her and Mitt Romney both have more common sense in one cell of their brain that Obama's entire crew.  I want to be like you when I grown up.  I DON'T CARE WHO I PISS OFF!
  • JackieM
    Ack--damn good post.  i agree 100%.  i like the idea of Palin and Romney.  i am sick of republicans sitting on the sidelines.  i have worked in corporate America for a very long time now.  i can tell you that that 99% of the people are selfish wimps.  they don't stand up for anything unless it immediately directly benefits them.  this isn't the corporate greed everyone talks about.  it is the individual greed from the top down and from the bottom up.  this whole problem stems from selfishness!  people don't care anymore about much of anything until it hits them hard.  we see the liberals are the most selfish of all.  they are willing to sacrifice families and people's jobs to get their social agenda passed.  they also want to ensure the "rich" suffer in the process by having them pay higher taxes into a big black hole.  of course, the middleclass suffers the most because there will continue to be no job creation or raises and their taxes will increase also.  liberals don't give a damn!  they like this!  how many times have we heard them say that now it is time to use the trickle up theory?  well, it won't work!  they are fools and the proof is right here! 

    the republicans seem to be content sitting by watching with disgust and don't want to rock the boat by saying anything.  they are worried about being politically correct.  i say if the shoe fits, wear it and we need to start talking about this and be willing to fight for our freedoms.  being blunt and pissing people off should be the least of our worries.  the people we would piss of are the liberals.  who wants them?  i don't!  we can fight by getting involved and start voting these SOBs out of office.  how dare someone just sit at home just because they don't particularly like our candidate.  look at the alternative!  who in the hell wants this SOB obama screwing up our country?  in the meantime our country is going to hell quickly.  we are in a crisis that has been caused by the democrats with republicans (democrats in disguise) who are not following our principals right behind them.  it is time we stand up and tell the truth.  it wouldn't hurt to start telling the democrats to go to hell and condemn them everyday.  this has gone too far!  this is not hatred.  it is called taking our country back from folks who don't know what it is to be a true American!
    ALL: I recently found this post on a web site I frequent.  It had a link of follow-up but I hesitate to publish the link here until I see exactly where it takes one.

    Much has been said lately about the “in-fighting” amongst Republicans for the heart of the Party. Many elected officials and Party leaders plead, “We have to stop attacking each other, we must come together, the Democrats don’t do this, wah, wah, wah.” Typical Republican wimp-out.

    So Colin Powell and the R.I.N.O.‘s can run around and proclaim that the era of Reagan is dead and that we need to abandon our principles. But we Conservatives? We’re supposed to shut up and let Olympia Snow support Obamacare without a fuss. Or let Mary Bono support Cap & Trade without protest. Or sit idly by as the Governor of California announce he, “is happy” to continue providing free college education to illegal immigrants...all in the name of party harmony.

    But in case anyone noticed, the more Republican’s act like 20th Century Democrats, the more seats are lost to the Left. Out of disgust, the silent majority stopped showing up to vote. And the middle can’t tell the difference between the parties...except that Democrats have shinier logos and better websites, so hey, go with the guys who look cooler, right? We’re so far in the hole, we have nothing to lose by fighting the R.I.N.O.‘s, Moderates and Democrats...and everything to gain by actually standing for something.

    This President is deliberately burning this economy to the ground in order to rebuild it in his own Marxist image. The Constitution is being shredded. The press is a de-facto state agency. I want the GOP and it’s elected officials to STAND UP AND FIGHT! This is supposed to be the home of support of a strong military, of Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan. Act like warriors! And for God’s sake, act like actual men! Groveling to look like we get along with everyone is undignified, and I’m sick of it.

    I don’t want to hear about whether or not we should walk precincts with Blackberries or, or, how much we have to give up on certain states and districts because they are un-winable. If the Democrats can take Iowa and Colorado, we can take back California, and Los Angeles, and Southern San Diego and every other formerly Red territory. This is war...and want the GOP to act like it.

    Didn’t anybody notice the collective “Hooray!” when Spector finally left the Republican Party? Can you imagine the cheers if Schwarzenegger finally admitted he is a Democrat at heart? Or the roar of approval if all the R.I.N.O.’s were somehow excommunicated from the GOP? Get a clue.  Colin Powell did openly vote for and support Obama just because he was black.  (That's not racial though is it?)

    Enough with worrying whether Nancy Pelosi, or the press or Colin Powell approves. Enough with worrying if it looks like we are fighting amongst each other. WE ARE. I want my Party back, and I don’t care who hears about it. Maybe when “they” see us fighting about what Republicans stands for, they’ll think we actually give a damn again.

    This is why we must chose a front runner and stand with our principles.  Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin scares the hell out of all the democrats.  That's why the liberal press and radical left wingers keep pounding Sarah Palin!  THEY KNOW SHE IS GOING TO BE THE FRONT RUNNER AND IT SCARES THEM EVERYTIME SHE FARTS!
  • JackieM
    Bud--i meant TV instead of TB.  sorry about that.
  • JackieM
    Bud--yes, i saw that lady on TB.  she said that now that they (the blacks) voted for him, he would take care of them.  facts are the facts so you are not a racist by any means.

    did you see the report on the news where democrats are being told not to work with republicans on the healthcare plan?  that is all i heard so i don't know if there is more to the story.  it is sickening and i don't doubt this is happening because the democrats were going to go behind closed doors to create the plan and get it passed before anyone could read it.  they are corrupt!  how in the hell could anyone call themselves a decent humanbeing and support this behavior?  i don't hear anyone on the other side shouting about it!  that is why the democrats are rotten and UnAmerican.  they don't have a problem with unethical behavior.  they have some nerve to say anything about us!
  • MR. BUD
    DS, Aliy & Jackie, this little tactic has been used many times by the dems and politicians in general.  They want you to focus on the splinter in your finger while they stick the knife in your back.  Thats what's happening here.

    So, BHO's proposal sell a lot of cars and to help the auto industry is to allow people to trade in clunkers for $4,500.00.  They are literally saying clunkers because people who can afford these cars anyway won't trade.  Their cars are worth more than the trade in price.  Take a good look at this and tell me how it smells...  It smells just like the housing industry smelled when the dems announced everyone deserved a home.  Well, they got a home and then couldn't pay for it.  Then what?  Guess what?  They are going to get a car that they either can't or won't pay for!  Then what?  Guess who will eventually take the hit for the cost of these cars?  The tax payers because the people who will get these cars think they deserve them.  These people don't work, won't work and have stood in a line basically all their lives...  I'm not talking about physically or mentally handicapped folks here, these people are very capable of working!   Did you see the black lady they had on tv said Obama was going to take care of her every need?  (I don't know how many welfare kids she already had.)  I guess now I am a racists for saying black!
  • JackieM
    DS--democrats want us to believe this is chump change and we shouldn't worry about this little bit of money.  well, you add this to the millions of dollars obama authorized to go over seas to fund abortions,  the NY flyby incident, and the thousands of other unnecessary projects and we are easily wasting billions and billions of our hard-earned money.  oh, let's not forget about the obama's date night that cost us over $25,000.  we didn't get our monies worth out of that one.  did you get any popcorn?  i didn't.  so then democrats want us to gladly fork over more of our money to them by raising our taxes all in the name of being  Americans.  Some nerve!  This is bullshit!  hopefully, when obama and his crooks even mention raising taxes on any group of people, everyone will stand their ground.  why in the hell anyone would admit to being a democrat I'll never know.  i guess they like being called idiots!  of course, over 40% of the population doesn't pay taxes and they probably don't have a problem with this because they will benefit just like the obama's in their date nights.  they are living it up living off the government while the working class is suffering and wondering how they will feed their children and keep a roof over their heads.  i guess morals and values are no longer the norm in society.  the obama's are the perfect example of greed in America!
  • DS
    I think I could tell them everything they need to know to figure this one out.....and I would only charge them $200,000!!  Now that's REAL savings you can count on!! 


    And I'll even let them know that this is another reason why sex education doesn't prevent pregnancies!!  I didn't wear one in highschool, and I never would!!  And I'm sure I'm not in the minority here.  Abstinence is the only real way of preventing pregnancies and STD's.  But that is too much for any liberal to even think about!  They KNOW they couldn't do it, so why try?
  • JackieM
    let me clarify my post above 95% of blacks because they voted for the SOB.
  • JackieM
    Bud--thanks for posting about obamacare.  i haven't had a chance to follow these posts today until now or look at the news.  been a busy day.  that is the first negative thing i've seen about obama's wife but knew she was as crooked as hussein is.  they are nasty people.  the obama's come out smelling like a rose in every evil action they take.  it will catch up with them and i hope it is soon because this nation can't handle much more devastation.  the people that support the obama's are as guilty.  the unemployment rate is rising and obama is just sitting back calmly and taking it all in.  the liberals and blacks just say he is methodical.  LOL!  i have news for them--that is a lie so stop making up excuses for the SOB!   

    obama is breaking laws now.  can't this be stopped?  is he above the law?
  • MR. BUD

    The White House, Democrats and MoveOn liberals are spreading healthcare sob stories to sell a government takeover. But there's one healthcare policy nightmare you won't hear the Obamas hyping. It's a tale of poor minority patient-dumping in Chicago -- with first lady Michelle Obama's fingerprints all over it.
    Both Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa and Democratic Rep. Bobby Rush of Illinois have raised red flags about the outsourcing program run by the University of Chicago Medical Center. The hospital has nonprofit status and receives lucrative tax breaks in exchange for providing charity care.
     Yet, in fiscal year 2007, when Mrs. Obama was employed there, it spent a measly $10 million on charity care for the poor -- 1.3 percent of its total hospital expenses, according to an analysis performed for The Washington Post by the nonpartisan Center for Tax and Budget Accountability. The figure is below the 2.1 percent average for nonprofit hospitals in surrounding Cook County.
    Rep. Rush called for a House investigation last week in response to months of patient-dumping complaints, noting: "Congress has a duty to expend its power to mitigate and prevent this despicable practice from continuing in centers that receive federal funds."
    Don't expect the president to support a probe. While a top executive at the hospital, Mrs. Obama helped engineer the plan to offload low-income patients with non-urgent health needs. Under the Orwellian banner of an "Urban Health Initiative," Mrs. Obama sold the scheme to outsource low-income care to other facilities as a way to "dramatically improve healthcare for thousands of South Side residents."
    In truth, it was old-fashioned cost-cutting and favor-trading repackaged as minority aid. Clearing out the poor freed up room for insured (i.e., more lucrative) patients. If a Republican had proposed the very same program and recruited black civic leaders to front it, Michelle Obama and her grievance-mongering friends would be screaming "RAAAAAAAAACISM!" at the top of their lungs.
    Joe Stephens of The Washington Post wrote, "To ensure community support, Michelle Obama and others in late 2006 recommended that the hospital hire the firm of David Axelrod, who a few months later became the chief strategist for Barack Obama's presidential campaign. Axelrod's firm (ASK Public Strategies) recommended an aggressive promotional effort modeled on a political campaign -- appoint a campaign manager, conduct focus groups, target messages to specific constituencies, then recruit religious leaders and other third-party 'validators.' They, in turn, would write and submit opinion pieces to Chicago publications."
    Some healthcare experts saw through Mrs. Obama and PR man Axelrod -- yes, the same Axelrod who is now President Obama's senior adviser. But the University of Chicago Medical Center hired ASK Public Strategies to promote Mrs. Obama's initiative. Axelrod had the blessing of Chicago political guru Valerie Jarrett -- now a White House senior adviser.
    Axelrod's great contribution: re-branding! His firm recommended renaming the initiative after "internal and external respondents expressed the opinion that the word 'urban' is code for 'black' or 'black and poor.' ...Based on the research, consideration should be given to re-branding the initiative." Axelrod and the Obama campaign refused to disclose how much his firm received for its genius re-branding services.
    In February 2009, outrage in the Obamas' community exploded upon learning that a young boy covered by Medicaid had been turned away from the University of Chicago Medical Center. Dontae Adams' mother, Angela, had sought emergency treatment for him after a pit bull tore off his upper lip. Mrs. Obama's hospital gave the boy a tetanus shot, antibiotics and Tylenol, and shoved him out the door. The mother and son took an hour-long bus ride to another hospital for surgery.
    I'll guarantee you this: You'll never see the Adams family featured at an Obama policy summit or seated next to the first lady at a joint session of Congress to illustrate the failures of the healthcare system.
    Following the Adams incident, the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) blasted Mrs. Obama and Axelrod's grand plan. The group released a statement expressing "grave concerns that the University of Chicago's policy toward emergency patients is dangerously close to 'patient dumping,' a practice made illegal by the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)" -- signed by President Reagan, by the way -- "and reflected an effort to 'cherry pick' wealthy patients over poor."
    Rewarding political cronies at the expense of the poor while posing as guardians of the downtrodden? Welcome to Obamacare.
  • MR. BUD
    Thanks DS, I already knew.  The information I sort of rudly submitted was for others on this site.  (you know who I mean - can't call HER name or she will call me a nasty name)  And, you are 100% right.  When you are the president of the United States, you can have a lot of stuff done.

    BLOG: Sarah Palin, The Most Dangerous Threat to President Obama
  • DS
    Mr. Ack....Bud,
    I was being slightly facetious about people getting off scott-free.  I realize that everyone is going to be impacted by all of his tax increases, but I still don't put it past this evil man to be able to figure out a way to let "his people" get out of paying their taxes no matter what kind of tax it is....even sales tax on products/services!!  He could simply have everyone's name in a database which all retailers could use to determine whether a specific person needed to pay taxes or not.  It wouldn't be that difficult, and I don't put it past this idiot!!
    DS, those folk may be able to skip some of the payroll deduction tax but EVERYTHING we ALL use or put into out homes, our cars ro recreate with will be taxed out the butt!  Do they not realize they cannot evade these taxes?  IF WE SPEND MONEY, WE PAY HUGE TAXES.  This is why you don't hear too much about payroll deduction tax right now.  Every now and then you can hear someone mention a new tax on something.  They are slipping these taxes in on something different every day.  They either create a new one or raise an old one.  Most people don't even know it and liberals are too stupid to see it care!
  • DS
    Perfect Bud!  That should get you off his list!  actually, it would probably get you a cabinet appointment!!  LOL
    DS, would this name be okay?  Could I pass for a cronnie?
  • MR. BUD
    "PEDOPHILE PROTECTION ACT" WILL SNEAK INTO SENATE AMENDMENT Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), added the "Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act," (which is better known to conservatives as the "Pedophile Protection Act,") to his short-term legislative list Monday, by saying he was "committed" to a Senate vote on hate crimes legislation before the August recess. The pro-homosexual newspaper Washington Blade reported the vote could happen as early as this week, but staffers at Senator Kennedy's office denied that claim, giving us a few more days to act. The pro-homosexual, anti-faith bill, sponsored by Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and pushed hard by the Obama Administration, was until recently labeled S. 909 "Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act." But it faced such strong resistance by conservatives (including threat of filibuster or faith-protecting amendments by pro-faith Senator Jim DeMint, R-SC), so instead Democrats have announced they will soon hide the bill as an amendment to another "must-move" bill, denying committee hearings, and completely side-stepping the Republicans right to debate and amend. 547 SEXUAL DEVIANCES TO BE PROTECTED BY FEDERAL MARSHALS The forthcoming "poison pill" amendment will mirror a House bill H.R. 1913, already passed 249-175 along strict party lines, which makes "sexual orientation," "gender," and "gender identity" into federally-protected classes under the law, and codifies federal protection of up to 547 types of sexually deviant behaviors, including: * Incest - sex with one's offspring (a crime, of course) * Necrophilia - sexual relations with a corpse, also a crime * Pedophilia - sex with an underage child, another crime * Zoophilia - a crime in numerous states * Voyeurism - a criminal offense in most states * Fronteurism - a man rubbing against an unknown woman's buttocks * Coprophilia - sexual arousal from feces * Urophilia - sexual arousal from urine Attempts by House Republicans to add amendments stating "pedophilia is not protected as a sexual orientation" were specifically blocked and defeated by House Democrats. Lesbian Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) expressed opposition to excluding pedophiles from the bill, and Democrats voted with her to strike any child-protection amendment. She claimed that pedophiles would not be defined within "sexual orientation," but wouldn't put that in writing, and refused to define that phrase "sexual orientation," which according to the American Psychiatric Association includes all 547 sexual deviances listed in their DSM-III manual of clinical psychoses, including pedophilia, so now thanks to most Democrats, child molesters will be protected by federal law.
  • DS
    I'm afraid he is "X'ing" a lot of them off his list!  He is targeting whites, christians, and the rich!!  If you are ANY of those, you are ON his list.  If you're not, he will remove you from his list.  I'm convinced he will find a way for all of them to pay NOTHING while the people on his list pay EVERYTHING!  But Dora won't have to worry because she isn't any of the people on his list.  So is it any wonder that she argues for him?  She knows she will benefit from all of his lies!   It isn't that hard to figure out!!   Probably all that we need to do is to take on a muslim name and stop working in order to be taken off his list!  But I won't do that.  I'll die first!!
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy (471)
    Take the example of the IG where Dora came up with all this crap on the IG which would have made a valid reason for them to fire him (after the 30 days notice law Obama co-freaking-sponsored) but the white house response is he was "disoriented and confused"?

    Aliy, from the time BHO began his campaign for president to now, how many of these excuses have you and I heard.  Do you think liberals can't see how stupid this sounds?  THIS IS TYPICAL, LIBERAL, RHETORIC SPIN!  They screw up and simply say "Oops" bla, bla, bla!  All the other liberals smile, stay in step and go on.

    Well, one thing about it, liberals live in this country to.  They have to answer to "Uncle Obama's" tax plan just like you and I.  I don't think they are smart enough to figure this out.  I guess they think "Uncle Obama" is going to go down a list of names and ex their's off or something.
  • MR. BUD
    It is now official, when referring to the Government, it is no longer "Uncle Sam"!  It is now "Uncle Obama"!

    Remember U.S. CITIZENS, "UNCLE OBAMA" WANTS YOUR MONEY...  Everything you touch anymore will cost you a tax.
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, Jackie, Dora has an insider at ACORN that does her writing for her.  She just copies and pastes.  I think she is like Obama, just approves it with out reading it first.  Most liberals don't care what they post.  Just like all the liberals in Washington.  Hummmmmmm.  That sounds like THE ENTIRE LEFT...
  • Aliy
    Jr- You put in those articles which a normal person would look at. Dora will go find something Rachel Maddow said and spit it back at you. Or make up something she thinks sounds smart which just equates to "no sir, you big jerk" I've got her figured out.

    You can't win a debate by saying "no sir" or "I disagree" which is what her and her like do, they just disagree and we're all suppose to see how we're wrong. We're not and they can't break our argument, trump our sources, or answer our real questions with anything but lies.

    Take the example of the IG where Dora came up with all this crap on the IG which would have made a valid reason for them to fire him (after the 30 days notice law Obama co-freaking-sponsored) but the white house response is he was "disoriented and confused"?

    I gotta ask, if Dora is THAT great of a reporter that she found all this crap the WHITE HOUSE can't....doesn't THAT speak loudly about our current administration, I mean really, DORA comes up with more valid evidence than Obama's people!? You want to REALLY make an arguement for the lack of competence to be president, she just totally made our argument for us!
  • Aliy
    Jackie-464 I wouldn't trust the burger he served me either!
  • Aliy
    Also, you'll notice her peice she quotes is NOT a journalistic article, it's an OPINION, as in BIASED as in GOING TO FIND A WAY TO JUSTIFY OBAMA'S ACTIONS NO MATTER HOW WRONG!
  • Aliy
    All that crap about the IG doesn't negate the fact that THEY DIDN'T GIVE CONGRESS 30 DAYS NOTICE TO LET HIM PLEAD HIS CASE. If there was THAT much evidence the guy was a right wing loon and completely incapable of doing the job they should have had NO problem following the LAW OBAMA MADE.

    But even all that stuff Dora put in here is true, THIS is what the white house said:

    Facing bipartisan criticism for the firing, Obama sought to allay congressional concerns with a letter to Senate leaders Tuesday evening explaining his decision. In the letter, White House Special Counsel Norman Eisen wrote that Walpin was "confused" and "disoriented" at a May board meeting, was "unduly disruptive," and exhibited a "lack of candor" in providing information to decision makers. 

    See, "Confused and Disoriented" All the crap Dora came up with even the White House knew nothing about!
  • JackieM
    Jr Accountant--apparently this is what liberals want.  obama's supporters still love him and don't care what he does.  they will quickly make up excuses for him or blame it on the right.  that is what they do best.  it is sick and our nation is suffering for it, but obama's actions are the result of stupid people making stupid decisions on election day.  however, they along with obama will not take responsibility for their actions.  it is up to us to hold them accountable every single moment of every day.  liberals call this hatred because they lie.  they don't want to face what they are doing.  we happen to care about this country and don't want to see it destroyed.  liberals will not stop until they have ensured our nation is bankrupt and attacked.  then they will blame Bush.  

    even thought a report was issued today saying that obama's healthcare plan will fail to do what he promised and the costs will be out of reach, the liberals will still support obama.  who didn't know this already?  duh!  besides this report, common sense says that on day one we will have to have about a million more doctors and millions more healthcare workers.  that is impossible to achieve but liberals will continue to ignore this because obama says his plan is the one that will work.  of course, the taxpayers will be burdened with more taxes they can't afford but who cares, right!  over 40% of Americans don't pay taxes anyway so they don't care who is providing more welfare for them.  this helps to increase the number of illegal immigrants coming into this country.  it also supports the baby mama syndrome where people have children they knowingly can't support and expect the government to give them everything.
  • JackieM
    the list of problems obama is causing our nation is growing every day.  i really don't think one person could name them all.  i haven't seen one thing obama has done right since he has been in office.  now i didn't like clinton but i do remember thinking he made a few good decisions while in office so i didn't lose sleep at night worrying about our nation.  now i didn't trust him for obvious reasons but at least i didn't think he would destroy our country.  obama, on the other hand, is destroying our country quickly.
  • JackieM
    dora--hahahahahaha!  it sounds like this guy would fit in really well with obama's crooked merrymen except for the fact that he was a republican.  obama himself has skeltons in his closet with Acorn, Wright and others and was in the most corupt political system in the US.  funny!  i love the show!
  • Jr Accountant
    Dora, look. Look at what these people are doing.

    They are trying to sell us off piece by piece. Meanwhile, CHINA is also selling us off. At some point, no one will be left to buy us: http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/06/new-n...

    also look, the Treasury (with OBAMA'S Tax Cheat of Choice Tim Geithner in charge) is BLOCKING the TARP investigations. http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/06/tarp-... Why? What do they have to hide? So you can say the Republicans forced TARP through but look who is keeping the lid on the truth.

    Can you argue against any of these points? Please?
  • MR. BUD
    Dora, I honestly don't know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you - God wont let me hate you.  I guess I am just stuck with you.  If I'm going to hang around and read your crap, maybe I should just laugh at you.  You know, pretend, like liberals do.  Laugh even though you are not funny in any way!  I really believe you're mentally ill.
  • JackieM
    Bud and Aliy--liberals don't want to hear the real truth as you stated in your posts.  they prefer the fantasies that obama and his idiot buddies make up for them.  then they spew hate towards us.  until this idiot obama was elected, we had leaders who believed in freedom.  in times of crisis overseas, they spoke about freedom and democracy and what it meant to a nation and its people.  now we have scraped the bottom of the barrel and have obama.  what can i say except that he stands for destruction so i guess he really can't talk about it without telling another one of his many many lies.  so after all of obama's fuckups, liberals still support the SOB.  he belongs behind a counter serving hamburgers and since he is such a great communicator, he would be great in those fast food commericials.  that would be where he fits in best.  he is taking us down a path that we are going to regret for generations to come.  his poll numbers are dropping but i think they will stay up a little longer primary due to a certain group of people who want a black man in office and not because of the job he is doing.  of course, liberals are liberals.
  • Dora
    Americorps inspector general and the phony scandal:

    A hard-line conservative with a résumé that dates back to the early '60s, he was a curious choice for a position that requires dispassionate judgment and nonpartisan fairness. Although he developed a reputation as a highly capable litigator at a major New York City law firm, he has devoted much of his life to the causes of the extreme right, in particular as a trustee of the Federalist Society and as a director of the Center for Individual Rights, a right-wing law foundation devoted to overturning affirmative-action programs.

    He appears to have continued acting in those capacities even after his appointment as inspector general. In November 2007, for instance, he delivered a speech at a Federalist Society function titled "Inherent Presidential Wartime Powers -- The Wiretap Program is Constitutional." Then in March 2008, he wrote an Op-Ed essay for the New York Daily News berating human rights lawyers at Yale Law School for pursuing a legal action against John Yoo, the former Justice Department official famous for his memoranda justifying torture of terror suspects.

    Media profiles of Walpin now often mention his nasty quip at a November 2005 luncheon when he introduced Mitt Romney, then governor of Massachusetts, as the leader of a state dominated by "the modern-day KKK ... the Kennedy-Kerry Klan," a reference to the Bay State's U.S. senators, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. Joking about Catholic politicians belonging to the Klan is always obnoxious, but Walpin was guilty of worse than poor taste.

    Aside from its ferocious pursuit of lawsuits against affirmative action, the Center for Individual Rights, where Walpin served as director for many years, has displayed an enduring attraction to academic racism, or at least to its practitioners. That attraction led CIR to represent both Michael Levin, the notorious racist professor at the City University of New York, and Linda Gottfredson, an obscure University of Delaware professor whose negative research on African-Americans has made her a heroine to racial extremists. To finance this kind of litigation, CIR accepted thousands of dollars from the Pioneer Fund, a foundation dedicated to proving that blacks are racially inferior to whites and Asians -- in short, the intellectual equivalent of the KKK.

    For that reason and many others, Walpin didn't fit very well within the Obama administration. He served at the pleasure of the president, who may well have taken some pleasure in ousting him -- and need make no apology if he did.

    read the entire article:

  • Dora
    Bud,  the "t" dropped off - it should have read:
    you can continue to ignore the truth - it will never make it not so.
    I was going to correct it following my post but gave you credit that you would be able to figure this out.  Again,  I gave you too much credit.  My apology for my overly generous nature.

    Aliy-  your continued stupidity regarding the even and sane reaction coming from the white house regarding Iran and the fixed "election" there is not surprising- after all, you are a student of Bush and his cowboy "diplomacy" which brought tremendous blow-back from points around the world.  read post #453.  The article title is:

    Night of the living neocons

    it gives more understanding as it relates to Iran.  the crap about the "apology tour" etc.   has been floated by only the loons on the wings of right fringes like you.   all sane and thinking people credit Obama for speaking honestly in Cairo.  You would prefer that he had lied. 
    It figures.
    Put your jammies on and go to bed- it's way past your bedtime.
  • MR. BUD
    Hot days at Obama High

    Do you get the feeling that President Obama is like a new teacher in a tough high school?
    Everywhere you look, it seems the president is engaging in “on-the-job training” — unwilling to follow the rules and seeking advice from the veteran “teachers.”
    Granted Obama inherited a mess. But he is making things far messier.
    And as he makes things worse, he has the chutzpah to suggest he actually is fixing things.
    He promised a new era of bipartisanship in Washington. We know that turned out to be a joke. He says he had no interest in running GM, but he is doing just that.
    He passed the largest discretionary spending bill in the history of the world, then just this past week, he embraced “pay-as-you-go” rules to limit federal spending.
    "Paying for what you spend is basic common sense," Obama said. "Perhaps that's why, here in Washington, it's been so elusive."
    You can say that again.
    Obama inherited a 1 trillion-dollar deficit and quickly is turning it into a 2 trillion-dollar deficit.
    The economy was likely in the process of bottoming since earlier this year. But Obama’s initiatives are pushing the economy further downward.
    His massive spending programs have forced the Fed for the first time in a very long time to start buying U.S. debt. This is simply an inflation of the currency.
    As investor confidence in the United States crumbles, the U.S. government has been forced to raise interest rates to attract bond buyers. But as these rates increase, so will the rates for home and commercial mortgages, further crippling economic activity.
    Under Obama, the dollar has lost confidence with the “print-as-you-go” reality that he has created. Expecting further dollar weakening, commodity prices are soaring again. Oil is already up almost 50 percent since last year’s lows.
    I cannot think of anything more lethal to an economic recovery than rising gasoline prices.
    Maybe I am wrong — increasing taxes during a recession is equally lethal. But the president is also doing that! His new health plan, for example, will require an estimated $600 billion in new taxes alone.
    Obama may be taking a bad recession and making it into a full-blown depression.
    He also seems intent on overturning one of the most sacred underpinnings of the capitalist system: the notion that bond holders are first in line during any bankruptcy. In the GM case, Obama has put the unions that backed his election first in line, and the bond holders nearly last.
    Why would global investors want to buy U.S. government or corporate debt in an environment so hostile to those willing to risk their capital?
    Obama’s naiveté is showing not just on the domestic front but also globally, where the United States is in deep trouble.
    North Korea brazenly shows off its ballistic missile and nuclear muscle, while talking about an atomic war almost every day.
    Obama must appear weak.
    Iran sees the weakness and fearlessly is attempting to keep the madman Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in power. Obama’s administration appears far less concerned with helping democracy in Iran and far more concerned with stopping Israel from destroying Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Go figure.
    Meanwhile, foreign policy veterans in his administration are being isolated quickly in favor of Obama policy hawks.
    Hillary Clinton has been sidelined on key issues. Dennis Ross, the savvy Mideast envoy who was heading U.S. efforts to deal with Iran, was just “kicked upstairs” from his State Department job to a new cushy post at the White House. Several inside-the-Beltway reports suggest that Obama’s national security adviser and retired Marine Corps Gen. Jim Jones also is on the way out.
    If we make it through the Obama years intact, at least we can draw some lessons. One is that all “change” is not for the better.
  • aliy
    I got an email today from John Kerry (well, not JohnKerry, but his people) talking about how only Neo-con's want someone to stand up and say the people in Iran deserve freedom. The damn country over there is crying for democracy and John Kerry supports our forigen policy of siding with the radical regime?!

    Our country use to be the front runner in helping countries stuck under an evil regime gain freedom, Like, oh, Poland in WWII? Can you think of other times we helped coutries full of people crying for democracy? That's kinda what we do. That's kinda what we're really, really good at. But now, I guess Obama was correct to appoligize to the world if we're not going to help countries in trouble anymore! Sorry, got a dictator cutting off heads, Obama doesn't want America involved in helping you. But please, like him. He just couldn't sleep at night if he thought you didn't like him.
  • dora
    I've always found that those who talk the most have the least, bud.
    Do you also drive that big truck around to prove my point?
  • MR. BUD
    Dora (454)
    Maybe you should loosen your shorts to drop your vocal register a tad,  Bud.

    Dora, sorry I can't wear shorts.  Too much hangs out!

    DS (455) 
    And, by the way, thanks for summarizing all of the truth about obama's foreign policy screw-ups!  He is muslim, and is afraid to be tough on Iran or any other muslim country!  He is also afraid to say that he supports gay marriage (even though he does) because he knows the muslim countries would consider him an infidel and would ruin his chances of getting the Nobel Peace Prize that he is so concerned about.  He is such a fraud!!  I guess that is a prerequisite to become a liberal nowadays.
    DS, thanks.  Tell me something, what radical liberal does tell the truth?  NONE!
  • DS
    Dora (453),

    You told Bud:

     "Bud, you can continue to ignore the truth - it will never make it no so."

    Now I tell you the same thing.  "Dora, you continue to ignore the truth - it will never make it so."    Just because you ignore the truth of God doesn't mean he doesn't exist Dora, and that you won't face judgement when you die!!  It's quite the contrary.  He DOES exist, and you WILL be judged for rejecting Him!! 

    FYI....I removed the "no" in my quote because it didn't seem like it should have been there....didn't make sense.  ;-}  

    And, by the way, thanks for summarizing all of the truth about obama's foreign policy screw-ups!  He is muslim, and is afraid to be tough on Iran or any other muslim country!  He is also afraid to say that he supports gay marriage (even though he does) because he knows the muslim countries would consider him an infidel and would ruin his chances of getting the Nobel Peace Prize that he is so concerned about.  He is such a fraud!!  I guess that is a prerequisite to become a liberal nowadays.
  • Dora
    Maybe you should loosen your shorts to drop your vocal register a tad,  Bud.
  • Dora
    you can continue to ignore the truth - it will never make it no so.
    consider the following:

    Like Rasputin, the unhinged "Mad Monk" whom they sometimes seem to have adopted as an intellectual role model, the neoconservatives who brought us the Iraq war refuse to die. Although they have been figuratively stabbed, poisoned, shot, garroted and drowned, they somehow keep standing, still insisting that history will vindicate George W. Bush's glorious crusade. In a world governed by the Victorian moral code conservatives claim to uphold, they would be shunned, shamed and forbidden to appear on television or write Op-Ed columns. But because Beltway decorum apparently requires that disgraced pundits be given a permanent platform to bray their discredited theories, the rest of us are condemned to listen to their ravings.
    What caused the neocons and their fellow travelers on the right to sit up in their coffins this time is the almost certainly rigged Iran election and the massive unrest that has roiled the country in its aftermath. Outraged that Obama has not behaved like their hero Bush and begun loudly rattling his saber, the neocons have denounced him as -- you guessed it -- an appeaser. In a piece titled "Obama's Iran Abdication," the Wall Street Journal's editorial page, that bastion of unreconstructed neocon lunacy, attacked Obama for not supporting the Iranian protesters more vigorously and derided his "now-familiar moral equivalence" in citing the 1953 CIA-backed coup that toppled Iranian leader Mohammad Mossadegh. In an Op-Ed two days earlier, the paper's Visigothic editors, who have been calling for the U.S. to bomb Iran for years, took the opportunity to climb into the Wayback Machine to pay homage to one of George W. Bush's greatest hits. "It turns out that the 'axis of evil' really is evil -- and not, as liberal sages would have it, merely misunderstood," sneered the editors, suggesting that the crackdown should make Obama rethink trying to strike a grand nuclear bargain with Iran.
    In his own attack on Obama, Sen. John McCain also rushed to resurrect Bush's Axis of Evil line, saying, "Look, these people are bad people and I know that it was unpopular to call them part of an axis of evil or whatever it was, but we just showed again that an oppressive regime will not allow democratic elections, free and democratic elections."
    Neocon stalwart Danielle Pletka also made a not-so-subtle attempt to use the turmoil in Iran to justify Bush's invasion of Iraq. In a piece in the New York Times, she and fellow American Enterprise Institute pundit Ali Alfoneh wrote, "Encircled by American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, besieged from within by disgruntled citizens, the supreme leader has turned to a bellicose strongman to preserve the system that elevated him." Earth to Pletka: George W. Bush is not president anymore, and even if he still was, the U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are not going to attack Iran. It would be more accurate to say that the soon-to-depart U.S. troops in Iraq are encircled by Iranian forces than the other way around.

    The nadir of neocon idiocy, however, may be a piece by Robert Kagan that appeared in Wednesday's Washington Post. Titled "Obama, Siding With the Regime," it argues that because Obama wants to begin negotiations with Iran as soon as possible and does not want to appear "hostile to the regime," his "goal must be to deflate the opposition, not to encourage it." In other words, Kagan is saying that Obama would prefer to rush into a deal with a repressive, anti-Western Iranian regime than do what he is in fact doing, which is to recognize that U.S. meddling is counterproductive and wait and see what government emerges from Iran's current turmoil. That Kagan adduces no evidence for his bizarre assertion is hardly surprising, because there is none. Kagan's real purpose is to smear Obama as a craven appeaser, and the only way he can do that is to paint a ludicrously crude caricature of Obama and the foreign-policy realism he has embraced.
    That these neoconservative pundits have the gall to talk about Iran at all, let alone pose as defenders of the Iranian people, would be stunning if it were not so familiar. For it was their own policies that were largely responsible for the rise of the hard-liners in Iran. As Islam expert Malise Ruthven notes in an essay on Iran in the current New York Review of Books, "external factors, driven by U.S. policies, were decisive" in thwarting Iran's nascent democratic movement. And of those U.S. actions, none was more consequential than the very "axis of evil" statement that the neocons are now tumbling over each other to glorify.
    "George W. Bush's notorious 'axis of evil' speech in January 2002, linking Iran to its enemy Iraq and the maverick Communist republic of North Korea, undermined many of Khatami's achievements in improving Iran's international profile, and convinced the hard-liners that the Islamic Republic would become the next target in Bush's 'war on terror,'" Ruthven writes. "The build-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq provided them with strong public support. In the local council elections of February 2003 -- one month before the invasion -- conservatives regained nearly all the seats they had lost in 1999 at the peak of the reformist movement. This was not a rigged poll: for unlike the parliamentary and presidential races, candidates for municipal elections are not vetted for 'Islamic suitability.' The right-wing victory was sealed two years later with Ahmadinejad's election as president."

    In short, the very rhetoric the neocons are now demanding that Obama use backfired disastrously when Bush used it -- which is precisely why Obama has avoided repeating it. And, of course, the entire Iraq war greatly empowered Iran by removing its greatest enemy, Saddam Hussein, and shifting power to Iran's coreligionist Shiites.
    One of the things the neocons would like the rest of us to forget is that they were the most ardent proponents of invading the very country whose people they now piously claim to support. Back in the heady "Mission Accomplished" days, the neocon slogan was "Wimps go to Baghdad -- real men go to Tehran." Leaving aside the fact that the neocons were a bunch of paper-pushing pundits ensconced in comfy right-wing think tanks who never "went" anywhere that didn't have room service, the point is that they have been burning to attack Iran for years -- an attack that would inevitably result in the slaughter of tens or hundreds of thousands of Iranians. Yes, some of them claimed that invading Iran would be a cakewalk, that the long-suffering Iranian people would welcome Americans as liberators, and so on. (Some of them even managed to keep a straight face while saying this.) And if you believe them, there's a bridge in Fallujah I'd like to sell you.

    The situation in Iran is a tricky moving target, but so far, Obama has played it exactly right on. He has expressed deep concern about the election and the regime's violent response to peaceful demonstrators, but added that "it is not productive, given the history of US-Iranian relations to be seen as meddling -- the U.S. president, meddling in Iranian elections." Obama's caution is wise. As Trita Parsi, the founder of the National Iranian American Council told the Washington Independent, "The framing that Ahmadinejad is presenting is one in which essentially the whole [opposition] is a Western media conspiracy ... So the administration is doing exactly the right thing. They're not rushing in and they're not playing favorites ... [This] is not a battle in the slightest to be fought by any in the international community or any entity. Iranians have tremendous pride in doing this themselves."
    It should be amply clear by now that America's ability to influence events in the Middle East is severely limited. Indeed, as the Bush years showed, U.S. actions in the region tend to result in the exact opposite of their intended consequences.

    No one denies that it would be in America's interests to have a less autocratic regime running Iran. And it goes beyond that. Everyone with a conscience and a heart is horrified by images of Iranian protesters being beaten or killed by thugs and police. Everyone wishes the best outcome for the Iranian people. The question is how to achieve that. The U.S. may be able to help, but it could end up hurting. And beyond that, there are legitimate questions about whether the U.S. should take upon itself the role of world policeman.
    Neocons like Kagan deride Obama's cautious approach to Iran as a return to amoral "realism." But this is a caricature. Obama's foreign policy is still evolving, but it is becoming clear that he is pursuing what Robert Wright has called "progressive realism."It is realistic, because it recognizes the limits of American power and the fact that all states must ultimately act out of national self-interest. But as his historic Cairo speech showed, it is also progressive, because it defines that self-interest broadly enough to include a commitment to human rights, democracy and social justice. Obama's foreign policy eschews imperialist ambitions, but recognizes that for a superpower, total isolationism is neither possible nor desirable. (Case in point: Rwanda.)
    His approach has already borne fruit. The success of the March 14 Alliance in Lebanon, a major victory for the U.S., is widely attributed to the "Obama effect." Just one month of U.S. pressure induced Israel's far-right Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to utter the magic words "Palestinian state." And most critically, as David Ignatius noted in an important column in Tuesday's Washington Post, Obama's openness to the Muslim world and more sophisticated presentation of America has empowered the reformers in Iran and throughout the Arab/Muslim world, and diminished the appeal of militant jihadism.
    The neocons are demanding righteous outrage, and claiming that Obama's failure to deliver it is a sign of cowardice, moral relativism and even anti-Americanism. (Neocon pundit Charles Krauthammer claimed that Obama is displaying a "disturbing ambivalence toward [his] country.") But outrage is not a foreign policy, and their own "moral clarity" resulted in the maiming of an entire country and one of the worst foreign-policy debacles in U.S. history. Instead of mounting their bully pulpit yet again, they should be seeking a confessional.
    By Gary Kamiya
  • MR. BUD
    Dora, I play the piano, guitar, base, drums and sing like a nightengale - what has that got to do with DS?  Dam girl, get a brain...
  • Dora
    promises,  promises,  promises,  DS.  

    What is it that makes you so thick in the head leaving you the inability to understand that I don't give a damn about your threats .   You could just as easily practice voodoo and stick pins in a Dora-doll.  Since I hold no belief in this,  I makes me no matter.  You waste your time and sound like a loony tune character.   You wish to appear silly,  that's certainly your choice . You do it so well.

    Some peoples beat on drums to chase away their demons some thump bibles.   I don't have demons,  DS.  I play the piano,  the violin,  the flute,  the concertina,  the guitar,  the harmonica,  a backpacker, the  kalimba,  and a chinese instrument similar to a dulcimer.   I make beautiful music,  DS-  you make noise.
  • DS
    You have a "pre-school" response to everything just as Aliy said, including your eternal well being!  But I have to say that "pre-schoolers" deserve a little more credit than you as they haven't reached the age of accountability as you have!  They are NOT yet responsible for their eternal condition, but YOU ARE Dora!   You have NO EXCUSE, and God will judge you for how you handled the truth that He gave you.  I have given you, ML, and all other lost souls on here the simple gospel......so simple that even a child can understand it.  But you have stuck your fingers in God's eye and blasphemed Him.  You will pay for this sin dearly!!  You will burn in hell because of your unbelief!!  I will continue to love both of you as God does, but don't wait too long!!  There are no excuses, and no second chances once you take your last breath!!  Repent and believe today!!  This could be your last day!!
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, the dems had everything to do with the housing crisis!  That was all done through Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac and the democrat senate.  They were ordered to give those loans and that the federal government would bail them out if they needed to.  Under orders from the democrats, money was released into the banking industry for these loans.  Finally after so many of them was made that Fanny and Freddy could not bundle them together and sell them anymore, the crises came about.  It then fell back into the laps of the morgtage companies that finally ended up with the loans.  BUSH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!

    Now, as far as Mr. Bush defending himself, I wish he would come out swinging.  I think the republican party has taken a hit because he has not done this.  I would stand with him until the ship went down if I had to.  We may be surprised at what is going to happen with him and Cheney talking...
  • JackieM
    Bud--I think Bush had a right to defend himself.  I wouldn't even have a problem if he had slammed obama, but Bush is a more dignified than that.  obama has crossed the line every time he blames Bush for anything at this point.  it is disrespectful and not indicative of a leader.  obama railed Bush for some of his policies and then turns around and decides they are in the best in of our country.  he is a nasty humanbeing who doesn't deserve to be in his position.  he is proving this everyday.  i can't believe the media is so biased that they refuse to call him out on anything.  they should have stopped obama in his tracks the first time he made the lame statement of him inheriting this mess from Bush.  to clarify obama can't inherit anything that he voted for so the TARP is on his head because he voted for it.  as for the other debt, it depends on how he voted.  obama is a disgrace and is not even in Bush's league.  since Bush didn't cause the housing crisis, obama is out of line again to blame him for that one too!  however, as you know i hold Bush accountable for the decisions he did make.  this administration will continue to divert blame whenever possible.  apparently, the supporters love it!
  • MR. BUD
    Dora (432)
    Bud, you didn't answer the question- Why did the republican "base" not get all up in Bush's face when, for 7 1/2 years never saw a spending bill that he vetoed? Why was that, exactly?
    It's not a liberal talking point, it's a question that begs an answer

    Dora, here's your answer. As dtupid as your question is. For 6 long years Bush had to take a backstage position in the lights of the media. 99% of the media was liberal and everything Bush did was under a magnifying glass from the radical media. He could fart and it was a radical media sin! And in the last 2 years he basically was a lame duck because of the democrats plus the liberal media. The poor guy couldn't use the bath room with out the libs hanging all over him. How in the hell can you focus on what he did or did not do with all these leaches hanging all over him? And why would you think I would directly answer that stupid question just to clear your ass? WRONG!
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, I have been reading a lot on the firing of the IG thing.  All I can say is as long as everyone takes the crap that guy dishes out, the more he is going to dish out.  His agenda is really along the lines of "Dictatorship"!  He wants to be able to issue orders and run this country with an iron thumb.  Remember those days in U.S.S.S.R?

    How about the latest from the liberal media?  Bush finally speaks out, (One time.) and BAM!  The left is immediately on it and say "He's attacking Obama"!  Hell, he needs to attack Obama.  He should have attacked Obama long ago.  Every republican in this nation should attack Obama!

    We each need to contact an Iranian on the Internet and let them know we are with the conservatives of that country for an over-throw of that government.  I know that is a tall order and most would say that it is none of our business, really, it is.
  • JackieM
    aliy--i found this link about the IG firing also.  looks like obama is showing his true colors once again.  I'm sure more of his "dealings" will continue to come out!  there are too many issues surrounding obama for people not to take notice.  of course, there were too many before the election and 52% of the people voted for the moron anyway!  the dumbing down of America syndrome is rampent and is the reason our country is in turmoil.  it is too bad common sense classes can't be taken at school.  these idiots need all the help they can get because it obviously doesn't come naturally anymore.  i think i could make billions and billions if i could come up with a way to teach this!  what about a "doing the right thing" mandatory course for liberals?  LOL!       

  • JackieM
    Aliy--thank you for the link.  obama is really showing his true colors here.  the liberals will say there is nothing wrong with obama's actions!  this is just another example of his arrogance. 

    i also smell a rat concerning the infomercial about healthcare obama is planning on ABC.  It has been reported that ABC has refused to give the republicans a chance to respond.  I hope there is a miscommunication here because it would be outragious but predicable behavior from the left.  they have offered to pay for a spot either before or after the "comedy show."  even though ABC is a liberal network, obama may also have something to do with this.  he could be stifling any debate over his plan so that the stupid will have nothing else to compare to so they will want this passed.   of course, this is democracy at its best -- NOT -- and according to obama, he is all about transparency in this administration and wants everything on the table so that it can be debated fairly.  this is a lie!  we already know he wants the details to be hammered out behind closed doors so that the republicans won't have a chance to examine it.  this administion is stopping at nothing to ensure they get their agenda accomplished even at the expense of democracy and the American people.  does anyone else see our freedoms being taken away?  let's see would this be a dictatorship or communism?  hmmm!  i would say it is maybe both.  however, both are bad for our country so we can take our pick i guess.  wonder if he will encourage them to protest anyone who disagrees with him!  this has happened before.  when are people going to finally see through this corrupt administration?  we saw this long ago!
  • JackieM
    ML Smith--Thank you for your compliments.  I will not stoop to your level of behavior.  There is something is seriously wrong with a person when he/she gets their kicks from bashing others with no provocation.  It is childish, rude and self-centered behavior that accomplishes nothing!  Have a great day!
  • Aliy
    Mr. Bud-- The birth certificate thing, I love it and I know you have a point but there are SOOOOO Many things the idiots doing wrong TODAY that you could use. Like the whole Americorp IG firing.

    The IG finds out they were wasting over $80,000 million a year giving sign on bonuses to people who'd alredy "signed on" and he's fired by Obama, over the phone, with no notice to congress.

    Obama is the one who co-sponsored the law that says IG's are independant and that congress needs 30 days notice and the IG gets to plead his case.

    Now that law's out the window because Obama doesn't want to follow the rule HE made up?! Why is no one covering him breaking his own law? He freaking MADE the law and now he's breaking it. All because the person who would have lost their job is an Obama supporter?

    I'm sure dora is going to chime in and let me know what I spelled wrong and call me a bunch of names like she always does. She just needs to be reminded that you can't win a debate by saying "no sir!" which is all she does.

    LIberals think that's a sufficient answer "no sir you jerk!" Oh, sorry, you're totally right, I see how my opinion and all my research are just wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. Like a little kid. You ever seen a little kid with glue around their mouth and you say "did you eat the glue" and they go "no" and then get pissed when you can prove they DID eat glue? That's a liberal. Like dealing with pre schoolers.
  • ML Smith
    Jackie M.

    What the hell do you know about politics and economics? Do you understand equilibribrium theory. It is the basis for all contemprory economic thought. You know nothing, you useless bag of wind. My friend Lionel from Russia knows more than you.  Anyway, I am glad that me and Bud chased you from the Garafalo site. Once you were gone, we had interesting discussions about the intracacies of farts. We forgot about you.


    I see you are still pounding the vinyl. You are a disgusting, vomit provoking fuck.  I know what you've been up to in your spare time. Do you think your fucking scriptures will win any points with Google or the FBI? 

    Anyway, you can gloat for awhile. You got your wish about that catastrophe. Now let me make a prediction for you. If anything happens to a certain Asisstant US Attorney, I will hunt you down and ram a stack of bibles up your ass. Then I will sprinkle them with kerosene and light the whole fucking piece of shit that you are. You're a fucking bottom feeder. DS. Remember what I said about that AUSA. Oh, by the way...the FBI has your info. All they need is a supbpoena.

  • Aliy
    Here Jackie- This is one of the stories about the IG


    You know what Dora: I spell THAT word wrong and I spell Cabinet wrong ALL THE TIME. But I'm big enough to admit I'm not the greatest speller. You still haven't come up with anything to break any of the topic here, all you do is say "no sir stupid" which makes YOU look like the ignorant one. Even WITH all my spelling errors. Thanks for correcting that for me and calling me all those names. Low life

    Also, Stop blaming Bush, 5 months into office and Obama is STILL just saying it's all Bushes fault, You know what, He had the chance to stop the spending you're whining about by NOT signing the AIG bailout or the GM bail out but instead he spent the largest stimulus in the history of the country (90% of which the money is STILL unaccounted for by the way) and signed bail outs. All I see when I look at him is a darker skinned Bush. There is no difference except the speed at which Obama is digging this country into the hole. He had the chance, he showed he's just like all the others.

    And one last thing Dora, a LOT of us DID get upset with Bush, we DID protest the spending before he signed the first stimulus!!!! Open your eyes, get your facts straight, the Tea Party wasn't invented because of your messiah, it started when Bush went off the rails spending like a drunken sailor. You think it's hard to talk to US? Seriously, you listen to YOUR radio hosts spit out flat out LIES then come back here and repeat them. Really, if you're sooooo educated, you should be able to look something up every once in a while instead of repeating a biased talking head. Until you actually get your facts straight, I'm DONE with you.
  • Lionel with Smoke and Whistle

    Bud is very sick. Really. Bad sick. I am worried.

    You know I smoked him out as the real Bud; I knew that Bubbles thing was baloney. See...I still have my forensic skills and no longer fall through awnings.

    Lionel may blow the whistle on this train, but ML Smith is still in charge. What needs to be done to destroy this site?
  • Lionel with Smoke and Whistle
    I am from Russia.  I speak pretty well English but you will have to excuse me for my spell chicken is not working on my Microsloft Verb program.

    You people have it pretty hot and good in America - in my country, Miss UnenDorable, we work hard and don't complain so much like you and your Godless big mouth. You will live in hell with your worst enemas.

    Mr. Bud, you told me to come here but why? She obviously is not interested in my train set.
  • JackieM
    Dora--so go away and find somewhere else to spew your hatred.  oh yeah, so much for your name calling!  LOL!  i think i'll stick to my knowledge of economics, politics and finance rather than to take anything you have to say.  obama hasn't proven me wrong yet!  how if i need something in art history or philosophy, i know who has this information.  anyone who would have the nerve to ask how obama is taking our freedoms away is showing her ignorance and is really in need of an education.  trash is definitely something you know something about so leave this site.  however, there is no hatred here, dora.  unlike you i believe that God created all of us and we should care about one another regardless of who they are.  you are a perfect example of why everyone needs to have God in their lives.  self-centered people are everywhere and you are no exception.
  • Dora
    here- enjoy:

  • DS
    God says YOU are a sinner....just like ALL of us!  And He also says that "the wages of sin is death."  He wants to forgive you for your sins, but before He can do that you must admit to Him that you have sinned and ask Him to forgive you.  He sent Jesus Christ to die in your place so that you could be forgiven!!  Ask God to reveal Himself to you, and to prove to you that He exists.  Then, after you know that He exists, admit to Him that you are lost and in need of His forgiveness.  He will forgive you and cleanse you from ALL unrighteousness!  You will be a new person Dora!!  You will NEVER regret your decision!  Come to Him tonight!!  God is waiting for you Dora!!  He loves you!!!  Don't keep rejecting Him!  He is patient, but He won't wait forever!!  Do it tonight!!
  • MR. BUD
    Birth Certificate? Obama ain't got no Birth Certificate. Obama don't need no Birth Certificate. Obama don't have to show you any stinking Birth Certificate.

         It's a new height in arrogance.

         Team Obama and Obama's allies in the liberal media are having a huge chuckle when it comes to the United States Constitution.

         And apparently, the truth is a laughing matter as well.

         When the question regarding Obama's eligibility under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution was posed at a White House press conference, White House mouth-piece, Roberts Gibbs actually smirked derisively and issued two consecutive incredulous and false statements.

          But to make matters worse, when Gibbs made his factually inaccurate assertions, members of the liberal elitist media... instead of pressing Gibbs on his outrageous statements... openly laughed.

          Here's what happened.

          WorldNetDaily.com correspondent Lester Kinsolving posed the following question to Gibbs at a White House Press Conference:

    "Thank you, thank you, very much. Just one question concerning what the president said in his speech on Thursday, and I quote, 'I ran for president promising transparency, and I meant what I said. This is why, whenever possible, we will make information available to the American people so they can make informed judgments and hold us accountable.' End of quote. Do you remember that statement?"

          Gibbs interrupted Kinsolving and derisively asked: "Are you looking for the President's birth certificate?"

          When Kinsolving answered in the affirmative, Gibbs told his first lie: "It's on the Internet, Lester."

          Kinsolving tried to give Gibbs' the chance to amend his false assertion, and stated: "No, no, no - the long form listing his hospital and physician," and members of the elitist liberal media could be heard laughing.

          And Gibbs quickly interrupted with his second false statement: "I know there are apparently at least 400,000 people - (laughter again) - that continue to doubt the existence of and the certification by the state of Hawaii of the president's birth there, but it's on the Internet because we put it on the Internet...."

          And before Gibbs could be pressed to explain his two totally inaccurate statements, he called an end to the press conference and slinked out of the room.
  • Dora
    DS- I've done nothing wrong that would require any form of repentance.   I believe your belief system states that your god will do the judgment- not you- so go about your business and never mind my life-  I have mine under control- apparently you worry that you do not.  You'd better get right on that.
  • Dora
    Bud, you didn't answer the question-  Why did the republican "base" not get all up in Bush's face when, for 7 1/2 years never saw a spending bill that he vetoed?   Why was that, exactly?  
    It's not a liberal talking point,  it's a question that begs an answer.

    Jackie, your self professed superiority is unfounded and fragile at best.   How dare you issue insults at educational degrees you find not worth your time...this coming from the fringies like yourself who called the democrats "elitists".   You remain an undereducated witch with one of the nastiest mouths I've ever seen on a woman.Again- this coming from the fringie lover who claims to hold the high ground on morals and values.  You betray your words daily.
    I have found that usually  there are some redeeming qualities in people, no matter how their lives and loves might differ from mine.   You, Jackie- are the exception. 
    You are nothing but white trash with a trash mouth and an even trashier disposition.   Any further notice of your existence holds no interest to me.
  • DS
    God loves you and so do I......repent Dora, and turn to Jesus Christ!!  He will forgive you and make you a new person Dora!  The fear of God is the BEGINNING of wisdom Dora!  ONLY after you respect and acknowledge God will you be able to acquire real knowledge.  I don't care how many degrees you have, or how high your IQ is.  Man's knowledge is foolishness to God!!  His ways are above our ways and His thoughts are above our thoughts! Come to Him Dora and experience REAL wisdom!!
  • MR. BUD
    Dora (421)

    Bud,  I believe that you are capable of thinking logically. 
    I am not certain why you wish to spew lava in my direction.   This country and your party spent the past 8 years digging the United States into a financial hole.  Your party damaged America's good name around the world with it's cowboy diplomacy.  YOUR party left a dreadful mess economically and internationally.  Where were your outcries over the spending during his reign?

    Dora, this is sooooooo typical of a liberal.  You have to be aware of how stupid your comment sounds.  This is just liberal text book rhetoric!  Every liberal politician alive uses this stuff...  Everytime a liberal runs out of places to hide, they go back and blame good old GW.  That takes care of the problem  - NOT!

    Thanks for the compliment on being logical.  I think it was a compliment.  Anyway, it is that logic that makes me want to spew lava your way.  You invite it!  Yoou're like a big red bulls eye bobbing up and down yelling, "Shoot me - Shoot me"!  That's how obvious your defects are.
  • JackieM
    dora--i don't watch her much because what i saw was disgusting.  i saw some of her interviews and sarcasm.  her sarcasm comes out more for those on the right.  her interview with Barney Frank was a joke.  she did not take him to task for anything he has done.  that is just one example.  there were other interviews with democrats.  she didn't take them to task for the issue at hand.  i had to stop watching because most of everything she says is one-sided.  i wanted to yell through the tv that she needed to tell the whole story.  i don't hide either dora.  it is called free speech.  remember that.
  • JackieM
    i have more education than you dora so get over it!  as a matter of fact, i have degrees in more difficult fields than yours.  so quit the name calling!  people on this site are very educated and have common sense also!
  • Dora
    Feel free to forward anything you wish.  I hide not.
  • Dora
    Rachael Maddow is a "freak" ?  In what way,  irrational Jackie?   Tell us all about how tolerant you are.  Tell us what bothers you about Rachael.  Go ahead.
  • JackieM
    dora--i'll forward yours also!
  • JackieM
    Dora--great dora!  i'm glad you did that.  you would be made a fool of if you knew why i'm comfortable with that!  keep thinking that people are pretending to be liberals and posting comments against obama.  it just doesn't make sense to you that people think obama is failing in his job.  you can't prove the people on msnbc have be paid but assume it because it goes against your agenda.  there is no hate or violence in any of my thoughts or posts so get over it.  it is just called free speech!  i know that makes you angry because my comments do not agree with obama's agenda.
  • Dora
    Dear Jackie,  basket weaving?   You don't have the brains to design a decent basket and I seriously doubt- having read your posts,  that you would be able to pull off a philosophy degree.    Why you feel compelled to snub your nose at my advanced education merely indicates your own limited exposure to that of higher learning.  
    There are night courses, dearie.   Take some.  Some even have basket weaving.
  • JackieM
    oh yeah, dora thinks i'm uneducated just because her beliefs of gays are different from mine.  that is just too comical!  i know lots of gay people and have been around them and understand their lifestyles.  that is just another reason i'm against it!  oh how nice it is to have the freedom to have morals and values.  this subject is a mute point because dora understands my position and i understand hers.  none of her rhetoric will change anything so she really needs to go to another site where she is welcomed.  there are plenty of freak sites around.  this just happens not to be one of them.
  • Dora
    Bud,  I believe that you are capable of thinking logically. 
    I am not certain why you wish to spew lava in my direction.   This country and your party spent the past 8 years digging the United States into a financial hole.  Your party damaged America's good name around the world with it's cowboy diplomacy.  YOUR party left a dreadful mess economically and internationally.  Where were your outcries over the spending during his reign?  

    Statements above suggested that comments on some site by "democrats" were negative towards Obama.   First,  anyone on the internet can blog, comment, and claim they are anything.   It's a well known fact that republicans are paying individuals to blog on certain sites,  write letters to the editor of their local newspapers, etc.    They did it during the election process and continue to do this now.   I will grant you that not every person that voted for Obama have been pleased with every thing Obama has done or not done.   That's just not going to happen- no matter who is president.

    What is disturbing is people like you, Jackie.  An individual armed with minimal information spewing irrational noise and threats of intended violence.    As I have noted previously,  I have copied these posts and forwarded them to Homeland Security.   Your ISP is noted.
  • JackieM
    looky everyone here comes dumb dora!  her comment about us using unfounded and violent inflammatory rhetoric is funny!  i guess that is why she has trouble with the meanings of words.  we have said nothing that is violent to the common person (liberals are another deal) and have backed up our thoughts by examples and used obama's own words a lot of times so dora is an idiot and likes to spread unfounded and violent inflammatory rhetoric!  what a shocker!  she is a hater!  even after she spews garbage there is no hatred here.  i just pity her!
  • JackieM
    Dora--you can give it but you can't take it.  what hypocrisy!  yes, you belong in the liberal world.  it suites you!  i'm not popping a vein at anything.  that is just another fantasy that you have made up in that small brain of yours.  this is just typical of obama so i'm used to it by now.  this is your selfish agenda so you choose to flame people who don't agree with you.  if you were educated, you would understand that this is a conservative site and that kind of behavior goes against our principals.  therefore, you should respect people who are on a conservative site discussing conservative views.  duh!  i keep forgetting that your art history and philosophy degrees entitle you to say you are educated.  these basket weaving degrees obviously didn't result in teaching you common sense and doesn't qualify you to judge others when your own party is leading this country into the ground.
  • JackieM
    dora--saw your link and know it well.  there is no hate there, dora.  as a matter of fact the statement about tiller was accurate and too nice for my preference.  he was a killer but didn't deserve to be killed by a nut.  he didn't deserve to suffer any more than the people of this country who are suffering now under obama!  as a matter of fact, he didn't deserve to suffer any more than our children and grandchildren will suffer directly due to obama's wasteful spending habits.  furthermore, he didn't deserve to suffer any more than the children that he killed under his own hands.  i would prefer to concentrate on matters that are harming this country--obama and his supporters.  thank you for the suggestion though; however, it is not welcomed.  why don't you look at your messiah's lies and start taking action to ensure this stops before you worry with being nasty to the right!
  • Dora
    The advanced unfounded and violent inflammatory rhetoric seen here is a prime example of why even mainstream republicans want nothing to do with you.  You have succeed in marginalizing your own selves.
    Jackie is about to pop a vein sweating over Obama's olive branch to extend certain benefits to same sex couples on the federal level.  She's all for the freedoms and liberties granted to US citizens as long as they suit her personal agenda.  Selfish,  nasty, foul mouthed, and under-educated.
    Aliy and DS want to live in a theocracy.  You are living in the wrong country folks.  Planes leave here every single day.  Do you wish an 800 number for international movers?
    Bud, Bud, Bud.  You are going to have to watch that blood pressure.  At your age you just never know.  I thought that perhaps you were serious about stopping the name calling- but your mob mentality has taken over your rationality.  How tragic.
  • MR. BUD
  • JackieM
    Bud--Palin is a smart woman and her intelligence is way above biden in every way.  what is cool about biden is that he really gives up information that liberals need to hear, i.e, some of the stimulus money will be wasted, etc.  LOL!  of course, this is what WE have been saying all along with the exception of the fact that we know that most of the money will be wasted.  by now we understand biden,  so we know the words "some" and "most" could be interchangable.  liberals need to hear it from the pony's mouth.  the horse just tells the lies and the pony sometimes admits to them!  now didn't obama say that his administration would ensure this didn't happen?  yeah, i think so!  however, liberals will ignore this as they do every other lie obama tells.  what is not so cool about biden is that he is a liberal idiot.  he along with obama are making fools out of our country and are also making us look weak to our enemies.  now i know that liberal and idiot are one in the same but i just have to use just the right combination of words to get my meaning across.  i'm sure you are aware that some people (all liberals) need a little help in understanding the meaning of our language, i.e., a lie is a lie is a lie!  LOL!
  • MR. BUD
    Dora, you sure make it hard for this old volcano not to erupt and spill all over you girl!  You sure make it easy for people to dislike you.  I can't blame anyone for anything they say to you.  You're just a nasty person.  If I EVER said anything good about you, I'm sorry...
  • Dora
    maybe you ought to focus your hate in your own neighborhood, Aliy, Bud, Jackie:

  • Dora
    Poor, poorly educated Aliy,

    Even after pointing out the error, you didn't get it.  Ok.  I'll try again,  since you are so dense.  I do this for your own good in order that you might not look so incredibly uneducated next time you plan to use this word.
    Additionally, your use of a particular word here has me wondering if you are, in fact, able to rise above pebble status.  You said: "They are suppose to be reporting ON this guy, not reporting FOR this guy." When you first typed this I thought perhaps you neglected to strike the "d" key or failed to proof your words-  after your repeated (mis)use of this - it's clear that you - like Jackie here- have limited ability when it comes to English, indicating poor study or disinterested action on your part.
    I took the liberty of using bold type to highlight the word missing it's "d".  It's quite apparent that you see no error which accounts for your absurd response.
    sup·pose (s-pz)verb
    - To assume to be true or real for the sake of argument or explanation: (ie: Suppose we win the lottery.)

    - To imply as an antecedent condition; presuppose: "Patience must suppose pain" Samuel Johnson.

    - To consider as a suggestion: Suppose we dine together.

    sup·posed (s-pzd, -pzd) adjective

    - Presumed to be true or real without conclusive evidence.
    - Intended: medication that is supposed to relieve pain.
    - Required: He is supposed to go to the store.
    -Permitted: We are not supposed to smoke here.
    - Firmly believed; expected: You're supposed to be my friend.

    Aliy- I'm sorry that you spell the way that you speak with no understanding your misuse of the word.
    The word you need to use in this particular sentence of yours is "supposed". 
    Get it yet Grasshopper?
  • MR. BUD
    JackieM (409)

    how many f...ups has biden made since the campaign?  ha!  too many to count!  why is it that they call his stupidity gaffes and when Palin makes them, she is stupid?  why is it that the liberal media is all over it when she does it but merely mentions bidens'. 

    I told you I didn't want you to change.  That I love you just the way you are.  This is the "double standard" we have been talking about.  I have talked about it, Aliy talked about it, you have talked about it, DS has talked about it, every conservative in the world has talked about it, but the dam dems don't get it!  They do know it and so does the Liberal Media.  What I don't understand is how a human being can sit in front of a comera and act as dumb as they act...  THERE IS JUST A DOUBLE STANDARD.
  • JackieM
    Dora--your comment:  It's pretty difficult to sit down at the same table to discuss with reason and rational thought any topic when you people arrive mentally naked and wonder why people are pointing at you.

    excuse me?  i know this is a joke.  right now you and all obama supporters are being laughed at!  read the comments on msnbc.  a lot of  people who are brave enough to actually admit they voted for this moron are regretting it and are calling him a liar.  obama is making a fool out of every one of his supporters.  oh, i forgot that you wouldn't understand this, would you?  you don't have the level of intelligence it takes to grasp what is actually happening so you are incapable of understanding reality.  let me explain something to you.  you need to be really embarrassed right now at this idiot's fuckups!  i did it again!  i expected you to understand this.  i apologize to you and should not make fun of the mentally challenged!  i would suggest not reading this site since you don't understand it anyway!
  • JackieM
    aliy--i read the article about gay rights for federal employees.  i'm just so disgusted with this idiot and there are sooooooo many things he is screwing up that this is just another one.  it really is stressing me out!  my MIL says that everyday he is doing something new to ruin America and his ugly face is all over the news.  as you can tell, she can't stand him!  

    as for the firing, i haven't read about that one yet.  however, obama is the most arrogant person i've ever seen.  he thinks he is above the law and to date he has been.  he came from the most corrupt political system in the US and is used to crooked dealings.  his ego was further stroked when 52% of the people in the US were stupid enough to fall for his rhetoric and vote for him.  now he is on top of the world and laughing while looking down at all of us.  we are now his toys.  he can raise taxes on everyone without roadblocks just to fund any pet project the liberals can cook up.  you know really important things like keeping the pig smell down.  I believe he is truly proud of this!  i am reading comments about obama articles on msnbc that are railing obama. 

    the tide is definitely turning and even some of the dumbest of the dumb (liberals) are turning against him.  one comment was that he was duped this time but never will be again and obama was a liar.  of course, i had to tell him that he and the rest of the morons are responsible for this entire mess now.  they voted the SOB in so the responsibility rests on their shoulders and i hoped they were happy!  they need to be held accountable! 
    oh, yeah i can play this game of the liberal double standards.

    how many f...ups has biden made since the campaign?  ha!  too many to count!  why is it that they call his stupidity gaffes and when Palin makes them, she is stupid?  why is it that the liberal media is all over it when she does it but merely mentions bidens'.
  • aliy
    Let'e talk my two issues for today:

    1. Obama fired an IG without the 30 day notice of intent to fire being given to congress (which by the way is a freaking law HE co-sponsered!!!)

    2. He's reversed his stand on gay couples getting rights. Now all gay federal employees will have the right to partner insurance and other rights married couples have.

    And I'm REALLY surprised I'm the first one to bring this up because I KNOW this is a real soft spot for a few of you on here.
  • aliy
    Let's all play the liberal double standard game!!

    This is one of my all time favorite games!! You know, where a conservative is attacked by a whole party as an individual then they go and support the SAME (or very similiar) action from their own.

    Example 1: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a "f*ggot" There is public outcry from the left.
    The ENTIRE left calls everyone who attended a tea party a "tea-bagger" which if you ask a gay man, is just about the equivilent of calling him the F word. But that's OK because it's THEM doing it now.

    Example 2: The left blames O'Reilly for the death of Dr. Tiller because he called him "Tiller the baby killer" on the air.
    Mark my words, some pedophile is going to rape a 14 year old girl because Letterman told them it's OK to think she's hot. Do you THINK the left will blame him? No, it's OK because he's with THEM. 

    Anyone else got any examples?
  • aliy
    Mr. Bud

    Thank you!!
  • aliy
    Dora- You said
    Additionally, your use of a particular word here has me wondering if you are, in fact, able to rise above pebble status.  You said: "They are suppose to be reporting ON this guy, not reporting FOR this guy." When you first typed this I thought perhaps you neglected to strike the "d" key or failed to proof your words-  after your repeated (mis)use of this - it's clear that you - like Jackie here- have limited ability when it comes to English, indicating poor study or disinterested action on your part.

    I said EXACTLY what I wanted to say. They are reporting ON Washington (or about if you like a longer word) not FOR Obama. Exactly what I meant, Not sure where the D comes in.
    And please understand, you can't win a debate by saying "no sir" you have to break the agrument and you mame, fail to do that. I"m done with you.
  • JackieM
    JackieM, I have questioned my principles in cases where I had to vote for the best of two evils just to beat the worst of the two.  It's hard for me to vote for someone evil.

    I have definitely battled with this myself.  core principals are so important.  i could never vote for someone who didn't believe in the conservative definition of marriage or who believed in abortion. 
    what is the song in the wizard of oz (i think is was) where the witch dies and they sing something like ding dong the witch is dead?  do you remember that one?  i can't think of the whole thing but that is exactly what i thought about when DS said the democractic party was dead!  It is a time to celebrate.  they have dug themselves into such a huge hole that they will never get out of it .  obama hung himself early on.  now the consequences are just now being noticed by the left.  unfortunately, there are people who have to suffer as a result.
  • MR. BUD
    DS (394)
    The Democratic Party is dead!!

    DS, I like this statement...
  • MR. BUD
    JackieM, I have questioned my principles in cases where I had to vote for the best of two evils just to beat the worst of the two.  It's hard for me to vote for someone evil.

  • JackieM
    Bud--i agree with you.  i won't knowingly vote for an idiot regardless what party they are in.  however, if they are running against someone like obama and the person would be better than him, i guess i would have to.
  • JackieM
    Dora--mind your own damn business and don't read this site if you don't like it.  it is a free country.  go to a site where you will most fit in like the rachel maddow site or something of that nature.  she is a freak so you guys will get along just fine!
  • MR. BUD
    JackieM (392)

    i would never vote for a democrat!  "ain't gonna happen" unless there is a very evil, evil person like obama running against him.  then i would pick the lesser of two evils.  the principles of the democratic party are the opposite of what i stand for so i'm against it.  the more democrats in the whitehouse, the bigger chance we have of getting the liberal agenda passed.  hmmmm!  that is happening now! 

    Jackie, I know exactly what you are saying and I would NEVER say you are wrong in anything you say on this site because of your conviction to your cause.  (our cause)  However, when I say things like I did in my previous post, I am referring directly to me.  Not anyone else on this site.  The problem I would have with me being the type that voted republican even if hell froze over would put me in the same class as some of the stone faced "Old" and "No Brains" young democrats that I know.  They too would vote party lines even if hell did freeze over!  They could care less if Obama destroys America, they are loyal to the party.  By the way, I am from Oklahoma and we have a lot of shit-heads here in our republican party and I'm sure I voted for some of them.  I WON'T DO THAT AGAIN!  I may not vote for the other guy BUT I WONT VOTE FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUR LEADERS HERE IN THIS GREAT STATE!

    Aliy, through his own admittance Rush is not a republican.  I'm sure he probably votes republican.  He is CONVERSATIVE.  He hates LIBERALS.  (it just so happens 99% of liberals are democrats)  If you listen closely to his descriptions of these, he almost makes the CONVERSATIVE movement a party within itself.  Matter of fact, he does.  He will also tell you that there are conservatives in both parties.  He actually displaces the conservative people apart from the democtats and republicans.  Ask him what his political afillation is, he will tell you conservative.  WHAT EVER HE IS, I AM GLAD WE'RE ON THE SAME SIDE.  Same with you, I am glad you and I are on the same side...

    DS, I could vote for a Romney - Palin ticket.
  • Dora
    Aliy, you said: "Also, the doctors from the AMA booed the CRAP out of him in Chicago but no news station played that part, they cut it off and went to a biased talking head who told you how supportive the AMA is of his plan."
    It's crap information like this that you continue to put "out there" that places your credibility directly into the nearest waste receptacle.
    Not only was it covered by the local news, and national network news, MSNBC (a station that you and other non-curious people here claim to be too biased to report facts) repeated the coverage throughout the day- all of the coverage included the boos.  ALL OF IT.
    Perhaps if you move your face and ears around to other sources, you could adjust your thinking level above that of a pebble.

    Additionally, your use of a particular word here has me wondering if you are, in fact, able to rise above pebble status.  You said: "They are suppose to be reporting ON this guy, not reporting FOR this guy." When you first typed this I thought perhaps you neglected to strike the "d" key or failed to proof your words-  after your repeated (mis)use of this - it's clear that you - like Jackie here- have limited ability when it comes to English, indicating poor study or disinterested action on your part.

    It's pretty difficult to sit down at the same table to discuss with reason and rational thought any topic when you people arrive mentally naked and wonder why people are pointing at you.
    Feel free to carry on for the more you speak,  the more absurd you sound.
  • Aliy
    Jr. What about Obama and his cronnies trying to side-step the CBO with the healthcare plan estimates because even THEY know $600 billion is a low estimate.

    And what about this Obama wants premission to make 303 billion in cuts to medicare/medicaid but he won't tell anyone what those cuts are until they approve it!?

    Jackie- I heard a muslim the other day talking about how he thinks Obama isn't interested in actually being president, his only concern is the Nobel Peace Prize and the presidency is his platform to get there (which my jaw dropped, I'd never thought of that)! Also, the doctors from the AMA booed the CRAP out of him in Chicago but no news station played that part, they cut it off and went to a biased talking head who told you how supportive the AMA is of his plan.

    The whole point here is that these reporters are reporting from inside the white house. They are all so afraid of sleeping on the couch they're willing to say anything to cover his ass. They are suppose to be reporting ON this guy, not reporting FOR this guy.

    Mr. Bud- I am looking forward to seeing Palin stand on her own more often as I really do like the woman.
    Glenn Beck does speak out on both sides (gotta tell ya, I'm not a Bush fan and I could give you a million reasons why I thought he was doing bad to the country and Glenn reported exactly what I was thinking so I tend to believe him)
    Rush is TOTALLY a republican! He will attack a democrat on their level, so I wouldn't blame the party for saying he doesn't speak for them
    Ann Coulter is like the radical right too. She can make a fool of herself if the liberals she gets interviewed by would shut up and stop making themSELVES look like asses!
  • JackieM
    DS--Romney is the man!
  • JackieM
    DS--your comment--The Democratic Party is dead!!

    whoooooohoooo!  the witch is dead!  yahhhhhooooo!  you made my night!  i'm glad to hear it!  LOL!  well, they won't last long with the crap they are involved in right now.
  • DS
    I agree with you.  The way things are today, there are (and probably won't be for some time) any Demcorats who share my values.  Therefore, I wouldn't vote for them either.  I vote for the person who most closely reflects my value system.  I voted for Romney, then McCain only because he was better than any of the Democrats, especially Sotoro.  Newt is really the smartest of the bunch, but I there are a few Republicans coming up who I would vote for.  The Democratic Party is dead!!
  • JackieM
    i want to add that years and years ago it would not have made as much of a difference as it does today.  i may not like all republicans but i definitely dislike all democrats and the principals they believe in, i.e, abortion.  now by the same token republicans need to act like republicans!
  • JackieM
    i would never vote for a democrat!  "ain't gonna happen" unless there is a very evil, evil person like obama running against him.  then i would pick the lesser of two evils.  the principles of the democratic party are the opposite of what i stand for so i'm against it.  the more democrats in the whitehouse, the bigger chance we have of getting the liberal agenda passed.  hmmmm!  that is happening now!
  • MR. BUD
    DS, my comments were not to make those folks look bad.  My point was that they make a lot of money at what they do and they are sort of like politicians, they work for ratings and politicians work for votes.  They may all be serious in their agenda, and believe me, they do have an agenda.  Therefore, it's not too strange that none of them want a political afilliation.  Politicians don't care who votes, just as long as they vote.  Talk show people don't care who listens, just as long as they listen.

    By the way, I too am not locked into voting straight republican.  If we would have had a good democrat to vote for against Bush in his last term, I may have voted democrat.
  • JackieM
    i may have missed it but i have yet to get obama's answer to how he plans to ensure we have millions of new doctors and healthcare professionals as well as new hospitals to accommodate this bums they want to ensure. 

    by the way, the did you guys see where the peace corp. is getting a lot more funding?  well, i don't doubt the benefit of a peace corp at all.  however, we are out of money.  we should not be spending anything extra at all at this point.  what in the hell is wrong with these people?
  • JackieM
    I saw the clip of obama talking about fox news.  did it ever occur to the idiot liberals that fox news is the only news organization that will tell the truth about that SOB?  what other station dares challenge his failed policies?  all of the other stations gloss over the facts and when they do interview people on the left they don't ask the hard questions.  i am amused at their interviews.  maddow and oberman are some of the worst. 

    obama can't stand any organization that simply points out the consequences of his actions.  he doesn't like to be shown for who he is--a liar!  this is becoming a dictatorship!  his planned speech with abc is going unchallenged.  he will be able to lay anything out there on the table and the ignorant will believe.  experts will not be able to tell the truth about obama's healthcare plans because that is not what obama or his supporters want.  as far as i'm concerned democracy is dead until this SOB is out!  the sooner the better--impeachment would be good!
  • DS
    Jr. Accountant,
    I got your email and will respond to you soon!  By the way, BART runs to Livermore, so I could meet you there sometime and we could go to church together.  I look forward to it!
  • DS
    I don't blame some of the hosts on Fox News for not wanting to be affiliated with either party.  Frankly, even though I'm registered as a Republican, I am not against voting Democrat or any other party "if" they support the right policies for this country!  I worked for Bush in 2004, but he really let me down in his last 4 years!  He was not much better than the Democrats on a lot of issues.  The only thing he did that I appreciated was that he kept our country safe.  That is a big deal!!  Republicans still aren't standing up for us in the Senate!  They caved again today.  I don't think most of them care anymore as long as they keep their jobs.  It is absolutely pathetic!!  I believe in just about everything that Rush Limbaugh believes, and I believe he is merely stating what I just did.  We are Conservatives first, then we worry about what candidate we will support.  I belive Glenn Beck is the same.  I respect Glenn.  O'Reilly is a different animal.  I don't think he really knows what he belives.  He spends so much time trying to be "fair" that he becomes wishy-washy on important issues.  I don't respect him.  Sean Hannity is also someone I respect very much.  He sticks to his morals no matter what.  So, I'll watch Rush, Glenn, Sean, and Mark levin anytime!!  They are all great Americans!
  • JackieM
    Bud--i agree with you.  obama is taking orders from the likes of reid, pelosi, dodd, frank and others.  it is sickening.  however, he can't do anything else because he is not qualified to lead this nation.  of course, we know he will surely fail because of who he is listening to.  pelosi would have already turned on him if he didn't do what she said most of the time. 

    the idiots haven't read the bills and that is their job.  therefore, they are not doing their jobs and need to be thrown out/impeached or whatever other word anyone wants to use.  they are not fit to run a ice cream stand with obama serving it. 

    i have been reading a discussion about healthcare on msnbc.  out of over 1,500 comments there are less than about 50 comments that are for obama and his healthcare plan.  people do not want it and know there will be huge problems with it if it passes.  finally people are sick of obama and his policies.  i heard that obama was booooed yesterday during his speech to doctors.  i just couldn't even watch it because i can't stand to listen or see the SOB anymore.  i want to know why the republicans are not stating one big fact--where are all of the millions of doctors and healthcare professionals that will be needed as soon as the bill goes into affect?  there will be no time to go find them when people who didn't have healthcare/welfare before and now they do so they are starting to make appointments.  this is just another half-assed attempt to solve a problem that will fail thanks to obama.  i'll go out on a limb here and say that obama and his crooked merrymen won't ensure that if people can possibly afford healthcare but won't work or gain skills to get better jobs, they will ensure them anyway, which will waste hard-earned taxpayer dollars again.  there are people who are self-employed that do not have health insurance.  the reason a lot of folks aren't self-employed is because they want to ensure they have health insurance and they know that they wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise.  my dad has always paid his own even when he started his business.  now it is about $1,600/month.  obama needs to work on getting costs down by getting lobbyists out of washington and ensuring that companies have to compete.  there was a liberal complaining in this discussion about her single friend who died recently and didn't have healthcare.  she worked two jobs and was putting her daughter through college.  i told her that the woman's priorities were wrong and human life came before funding someone's education and that it was the lady's choice.  i also said that i paid my way through college and so could this woman's daughter.  duh!  those are the kinds of folks that will want help from the government. 

    liberals don't have a leg to stand on.  they are being made fools of daily.  the public is seeing what these people are.  for the life of me, i can't see how anyone could call themselves anything other than a liberal if they voted for this moron.  i have called people out on their dumb decisions.  you can imagine their reaction but they know it before the conversation ends.  LOL!
  • Jr Accountant
    Keep an eye on the lobbyists, kids. Tim Geithner's little plan to "regulate" OTC derivatives was actually authored by bank lobby firm Davis Polk & Wardwell - the Treasury didn't even bother to EDIT the document, they just sent DPW's draft directly to Congress!!

    The audacity of this administration *kills* me sometimes...
  • MR. BUD
    JackieM (382)

    As for lobbyists, I have said time and time again that obama is a crook and liar.  He says he will get rid of lobbyists and look what happens.  They show up in his cabinet!  wow!  What a shocker--not!  This healthcare plan will not work.  He lied to the American people again last week when he said this will provide healthcare at the lowest costs.  As long as there are lobbyists in Washington advocating for the healthcare and insurance companies, we won't have competition and costs will not be low.  obama knows this and refuses to do anything about it.  This administration is nothing but a joke and the liberals are loving it.  obama is worse than jimmy carter.

    Jackie, Obama is worse than the worst president that this country has ever had...  Obama knows nothing about running a government, a country or anything else!  If not for all the "Lifer" democrat politicians around him, telling him what to do, when to do it and what color they want, HE WOULD BE LIKE A WOLF IN A CHICKEN HOUSE WITH A MUSSEL ON!  He would be totally helpless!

    I read a deal one time, actually recently, that blew my mind.  It said there were something like 28 to 29 thousand pork spending attachments to the house bills that has gone through congress.  It went on to say that the reason most of them don't read those bills before voting on them is because they REALLY DON'T want to know what all is in them.  Don' that just suck a toad?
  • MR. BUD
    Aliy, DS, Jackie and Jr., let's remember one thing.  I'm sure you all know this but sometimes we look so hard for things we have a real knack for seeing things that really are not what they seem.  I like to hear these people: Glenn Beck, Bill Oreilly, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and others who seemingly talk our language.  But - these people are paid announcers.  They make big bucks for doing what they do.  You hear these guys always saying well, I'm neither Democrat or Republican.  Know why?  They have listeners on both sides of the isle.  They don't want to lose them!  I heard Rush say just today that he was not a democrat or republican and he positively did not represent the republican party.  So, all these people DO NOT REPRESENT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.  They don't want to represent the republican party because they make money not to represent the republican or the democrat party.

    Aliy, as far as Sarah Palin - She got hurled into the Main Stream, Liberal News Media with out any prior political self-defense lessons.  She didn't have a chance.  She was attacked from all sides.  Actually, I felt a little sorry for her.  The things she went along with John McCain was simply being a good side kick and trying to tell people he was a good candidate for the high office.  All in all, I thought she held her own really good.

    Remember, NO POLITICIAN IS PERFECT - NO POLITICIAN KNOWS EVERYTHING.  They are people, just like you and me, and the higher our expectations are of them, the more the let-down on our end is when they make mistakes.  I do think we need to let her redeam herself and I think she can.  She is pretty darn smart - and cocky - and pretty too!
  • JackieM
    Aliy--your comment--Someone said the other day "the unintended consequences" of these laws and stuff they are passing.

    Everything obama has done is half-assed, and somehow it makes him look good to his supporters.  I really can't help but think it will catch up with him.  I hope it does.  Nothing he does is done for the good of this country.  It is all for political gain.  I've never seen such an arrogant person.  The stupid liberals had the nerve to say during the election that republicans were arrogant?  LOL!  There is no comparison! 

    As for lobbyists, I have said time and time again that obama is a crook and liar.  He says he will get rid of lobbyists and look what happens.  They show up in his cabinet!  wow!  What a shocker--not!  This healthcare plan will not work.  He lied to the American people again last week when he said this will provide healthcare at the lowest costs.  As long as there are lobbyists in Washington advocating for the healthcare and insurance companies, we won't have competition and costs will not be low.  obama knows this and refuses to do anything about it.  This administration is nothing but a joke and the liberals are loving it.  obama is worse than jimmy carter.
  • DS

    (377) - yep, you hit them right on the head.  liberals love to "convey" that they are the righteous ones who want to help the poor and downtrodden, but their really the opposite!  they keep them in bondage so that they can be sure that they own their votes!  it is sooooo wrong!  liberal (socialist) mentality is right from the pit!!  you don't steal from one person in order to give it to someone else NO MATTER what your motives are!  One of the liberlas basic tenants is that "the ends justify the means".

    (380) - i won't spend a lot of time trying to convince you to leave the catholic church as there are some real christians in the church, but if i were you i would leave it and find a good, christian church with a pastor who teaches the "complete" Word of God without apology!  i know a lot of poeple who have basically become "agnostic" or non-practicing because of what they experienced in the catholic church.  i've been to a few catholic masses, and i have came away with an empty feeling.  it didn't seem like the Holy Spirit was even there.  you said that you will always be a catholic, so it doesn't sound like there is any reason for me to tell you more.  if you ever want to discuss it more with me in detail, let me know and we can talk via email.
  • Aliy
    DS- I'm a catholic, I'll always be a catholic, I go to church but it irks me sometimes because church appears so liberal sometimes.

    Like around christmas, in my son's classes (he's going to make his first communion next year) they will Assign you stuff to buy. Like a 15lb TURKEY for the poor!!!

    And then they make a big deal out of blessing the children who show up with stuff and pointing out those who didn't!!!

    And it's not just 1 time. It's EVERY WEEK, this week it's a turkey, next week it's all the trimings, then it's toys, blankets, cloths, there's a tree with a wish list on it from the poor and the kids have to take 1 wish a week!!!

    Last year my son drew a poor kids wish to have a Wii. Do you have ANY IDEA 1. how expensive a Wii is and 2. How freakin hard to find a Wii is?! If I found a Wii I WAS KEEPING IT MYSELF!!! And I brought it right back to the church and said "this is getting a little ridiculous" and they looked at me and said "don't you WANT to help the poor?" You know what, the freaking starving, living on the side of the road poor don't need a WII now do they?! It's just gotten stupid and I feel like I'm guilted into stuff like liberals do to you.
  • Aliy
    Jackie--Someone said the other day "the unintended consequences" of these laws and stuff they are passing. I agree with that. They taxed the crap out of cigarettes to pay for childrens healthcare, I quit smoking, they expected me to pay $7 a pack!!!! They thought "this is great, we'll tax it, smokers will pay for health insurance" a LOT of people quit, now instead of getting 100 smokers tax money, there's only 20 smokers left. Unintended consequences.

    The cc bill, in the end, they are trying to find a way to protect the non-contributor, by saddeling the rest of the responsible world with the bill to cover them. You're going to see people like me get rid of all but 1 cc and use it sparingly because of this law. That's not what they had in mind, was it?

    We all know it's illegal to pay someone under the table, but maids in NY are trying to get a law passed that they are employees of the houses they work in. Thus opening them up for the home owner to pay for insurance, take taxes out (and for those who don't know this, MATCH the taxes), vacation time, workers comp. How many people who have a lady come clean the toilet once a week are going to keep a maid if THAT'S the case?

    It's nice they want to protect maids, but what they are doing is hurting the people who hire these maids. Unintended consequences. THAT is what the problem with liberals is. Everything they do for the "good" hurts someone else and will fail because the people getting "hurt" aren't going to sit there and take it. Unintended Consequences.
  • Aliy
    Jr- I know what you were saying about the repubs listening to Fox, you mean the blind ones that don't bother doing their own research. That was in reference to the ones who blindly follow the R at the end of a name.

    However, I must say, people like Glenn Beck are NOT republican and he was screaming just as loud and indignant about Bush. Even yesterday, he was screaming BUSH started the bail outs, that we are NOT on a new path, just an accelerated one.

    The key to freedom is dissent. No matter what party is in power. You need to question the government and what it's doing ALL THE TIME, your guy, their guy, my guy, still question it, if they have to answer for every move them make it is suppose to keep them honest. Of course, it doesn't now because there are not enough people actually giving dissent.
  • Aliy
    DS- Lobbiests ARE the problem but Obama's first few people he tried to surround himself with as advisors and cabinet heads, (after promising to get RID of them--which is how he got a LOT of votes, don't fool youreself) WERE lobbiests. They are a problem but how do you get rid of them when the 1 person who was promising to get rid of them HIRED THEM ALL?

    DS- I also had a question. I know envy is a sin, I know gluttoney is a sin. Liberals look at the "have some want more" as gluttons, they are envious. Which commandment covers them taking all our "have some want more's" stuff to give away and get rid of envy? I think it's shalt not covet my neighbors wife (is stuff included in there) or is it flat out "thou shalt not steal"? By MY accounting there's 3 deadly sins of liberals off the bat, gluttoney (they want MORE), envy (they want what other's have) and stealing (expecting the government to take my stuff and give 1/2 of it to them). How do they justify this to God when they pass?
  • Aliy
    Mr Bud, I Like Sarah Palin. I would vote for Sarah. I think she needs to learn a little more about the issues but I think it looked really fake when she stood up there saying "Mr. McCain and I believe" because you could tell most of it WASN'T what she believed. I'd like to really hear HER for a change, not just the stuff the campaign stuffed down her throat for spitting back out.
  • Aliy
    Jackie, you said "of course, this happened in this election.  some people refused to actually listen to what obama stood for and just liked that he was a good speaker."
    I STILL don't see it. I always thought the guy was a stammering reader. I guess that's just the way I was taught in school but if you said "um" or "ah"  MORE than you formed actual WORDS, you were getting an F on an oral report and it just showed everyone you had NO IDEA what you were saying! We use to do this thing, you had to get up in front of class and the teacher would give you a topic, like Flowers, and you had to talk for 60 seconds on flowers, if you diverged, the rest of the class had to throw balled up paper at you and I can tell you, EVERYTIME I listen to Obama talk I'm throwing paper at the TV.
  • JackieM
    DS--now that is a tear jerker.  it is especially true when I hear recordings of Elvis singing that and "How Great Thou Art," the tears are uncontrollable!  i'm sure that is a tidbit you could have done without!  LOL!  those songs are really so powerful.
  • DS
    They did sing Amazing Grace in one of the last few services.  I'll see if I can find which one it was and let you know.
  • JackieM
    DS--well i can say the one i heard tonight was outstanding!  i could listened to them all day.  if they had sang "Amazing Grace," i would have been in tears!
  • DS
    Worship teams are the musicians and singers on stage who lead us in worshipping the Lord.  We have several different worship team.  I'm thinking of joining the choir.  My wife and I met while singing in the choir together at a previous church.
  • JackieM
    DS--yes, i want to come out to see you, your family and church!  it would be great and i want to someday.  wow!  6,000 people attending is awesome!  I don't know what worship teams are though.  what are they?
  • DS
    Jackie and Jr. Accountant,
    Thanks so much for the kind words about our church.  Yes, it is a special church that you don't find often.  We travel about 20 miles to attend it, but it is worth it!  Pastor Steve is so down to earth and such a great teacher!  And our worship teams are wonderful!!  The spirit of God is very present in our church.  We have about 6,000 people who attend.  We have a service on saturday night and two on sunday.  And there is plenty of other small groups and bible studies throughout the week.  i attend a men's bible study on wednesday evenings.  God is really working in our church.  Jr. Accountant, send me an email and we'll schedule some time to meet at church.   [email protected]

    You'll love my wife, son, daughter, and our church!  And there are a lot of really cool guys there too!!  Of course, I'm not sure if you're married or not.  If so, bring hubby or your boyfriend too!  The more the merrier!   Bud and Jackie, sure you don't want to come out too?  LOL  We can have a big party together!!  Love you guys!
  • JackieM
    Jr Accountant--i'm listening to DS's preacher now and he is really good!  I'm really paying attention because he is interesting!  i know.  that is terrible but it is true.  he really has a gift.
  • Jr Accountant
    DS, I hear you completely :)

    I am in San Francisco proper. let me know if you want me to email you and I'd be happy to come out to Livermore and see what you are all about. I'm intrigued to say the least.
  • JackieM
    DS--wow!  i would really like to find a church like yours!  that is what i've been looking for.  we have a lot of southern baptists here.  a few years back the southern baptist association wanted to put a ban on women preaching in the churches.  i don't know if you remember this or not!  a lot of churches around here who were members never questioned the stupidity of this idea.  however, the members that i spoke to never would question something that came from their church.  it was unbelievable to say the least!  i have been to many churches through the years and haven't found one that i felt at home in.  however, i'll keep looking because i know that our son will need God in his life.  of course, everyone does.
  • DS
    Jr. (364),
    I know you mean well, and that tweet was meant to be funny while making a point, but that is an example of things that I don't think we should do as true, freedom loving conservatives.  We will NEVER be able to get the liberals to speak to us about the issues if we engage in the same name calling that they do.  Seriously, we should refrain from making fun of people, no matter who they are.  We should debate the issues and point out where they are wrong, but we need to keep it respectful.  I think that if you do that you will have more success than allowing yourself to be sucked into the trap of back and forth name calling.  i believe that is one of the liberal tricks to keep us from debating the real issues.  Let's stay away from it as much as we can. 

    Jackie and Bud,
    I understand your frustration about finding a good, christian church where they aren't afraid to teach the entire Word of God without apology.  Both of you live in conervative states, so you shouldn't really have as much a problem with that as we do out here in San Francisco.  We're in the belly of the beast!  But, I am fortunate, and have found a fantastic church in Livermore, Ca. where the pastor(s) teach the Word completely.  They teach the historical, cultural, and spiritual aspects of scripture and challenge us to walk it out every day!  I'm including a link to our church's website for you to checkout.  When you get to the homepage, you can click on the watch online button to watch this week's message, or you can click on the Media tab at the top of the page to select a previous message to watch.  This week the message was taught by one of our student ministry pastors (Matt).  He is a great teacher, but I would like you to listen to one of Pastor Steve Madsen's messages.  He is our senior pastor, and is a wonderful teacher.  Check out his sermon on 6/7/2009. I think you'll enjoy it.  He started a series in Acts on 5/17/2009, so if you want to see them all from the start of Acts, check them all out when you have time.  Matt and Adrian (two assistant pastors) have taught a couple of the messages in Acts.  They're both really good teachers.  If you were here, I would take you to church with me.  We have fantastic worship teams as well.  I know you would love it!!  Jr. Accountant, where do you live?  Let me know if you would like to come to church with me and we'll set up a time to meet.  Livermore isn't that far from San Francisco, and I think you would love the church and single groups as well.  Here is the link to our church's website.  Let me know what you think.

  • Jr Accountant
    You guys might like the meme that's making the rounds on Twitter right now:

    "I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job. #tcot #sgp #"
  • JackieM
    Bud--yep i know.  i want to go and hope to.
  • JackieM
    MR. BUD--yep you may need to be the difference, Bud!  i haven't found a church that i can stand to attend yet for a long period of time.  i don't like to be politically correct and a lot of people are there for appearances only.  i have had conversations with preachers who understand my issues.  they can't teach the bible without talking about history and how things came to be for the people involved.  the reason is because most people complain about it.  i can't learn just bits and pieces and need to know more than just what the bible says.  i need to understand the situation and the culture and timing and ruler, etc.  it is soooooo interesting when i do.  that is really the only way a person can truly understand the bible and what God wants us to know.  otherwise, people tend to interpret things as they choose.  that is my problem with churches along with the hypocrits who are hiding behind religion but believe in abortion and other non-Christian beliefs.  that is sickening and i don't want to be around them. 

    anyway, we need to be more vocal and educate people.  those who are too stupid to understand should not be accepted.  i've tried so many different ways to help out those who are ignorant but it never seems to work.  they don't understand obama's policies and can't if they don't comprehend basic economics.
  • MR. BUD
    Jackie, remember the Tea Party is July 4th.
  • JackieM
    I think it has come down to this.  we need to treat this situation as if our own child is in physical danger.  what would you do?  would you stand here and whisper quietly or would you scream loudly at the person while aggressively going to stop it?  if we are truly angry at what liberals have done to this nation, we will be willing to start shouting to get our voices heard to protect this country.  i'm never for physical violence but stupid liberals will accuse me of it because that is all they have.
  • MR. BUD
    JackieM (357) we need to talk to liberals every second of everyday to educate them.  our country's foundation is crumbling because of the liberal agenda.  this is too important of a subject to not be extremely vocal about.  i think that is a major problem of the republican party.  we think people should understand common sense but they don't.  people have become stupid. 

    Jackie, I remember when we could depend on the silent majority.  Especially on issues that was presented by our founding fathers and issues for the good of the country.  School issues that concerned our children and grand children.  We could depend on them because we knew what the christian conservative was thinking.  Our thoughts were their thoughts.  Not so anymore!  Churches are full of liberals and so-called conservatives who do not speak up like we need to.  The preachers in the churches I attend rarely say anything about special interest groups or politics in general anymore.  The message is different than it used to be.

    I know DS will get on me for this but I get a different message from the church anymore.  My wife just changed and I have visited the church she goes to now and so far, I don't see much different.  Like Jr. said, maybe I need to be the difference, huh?
  • JackieM
    By the way, when i see someone getting into a car that has an obama bumper sticker, i say out loud as i'm looking back and forth between the bumper sticker and the person(s), "how stupid!"  people need to start thinking about what they did on election day to destroy this nation.  i'm holding them accountable every day and calling them out on it!  i'm not afraid to get physically attacked or anything because saving our nation is more important.
  • JackieM
    Bud--yes, we have conservatives that aren't really conservatives.  so i lump them in with liberals.  they are liberals in disguise and are fools too! 

    Jr Accountant--i've been a republican for as long as i can remember.  i've never considered being anything else.  i look at the principals of both parties and the choice is easy.  i don't like riding the line on anything in my life as you can tell.  i've always considered it to be the wimps way out.  at about the age of 12, it was difficult for my son to take sides on major issues in his life.  that angered me.  i had raised a strong independent person who had common sense.  it took another 10 years for him to realize what it meant.  now he is a strong independent thinker who has a great soul.  he now understands the importance of my teachings and will carry them through to his children.  we can't just go along with the flow.  we need to talk to liberals every second of everyday to educate them.  our country's foundation is crumbling because of the liberal agenda.  this is too important of a subject to not be extremely vocal about.  i think that is a major problem of the republican party.  we think people should understand common sense but they don't.  people have become stupid.  i will stand up against anyone that i know to be a liberal and will not shut up until they are out of my site.  that is how strongly i believe about this issue.  we have to become more vocal and aggressive because doing what is right instead of what feels good will save our country.  i'm willing to step up to the plate and do what i can to help even if it means standing up to idiots!  i do this in my daily life and so does my family.  the only place i would keep quiet would be my job.  my husband has to bite his tongue sometimes but expresses his thoughts when he can.
  • Jr Accountant