Americans are Not Buying What Obama is Selling

August 14th, 2009 Ryan Christy

Barack Hussein Obama has been selling a ton of stuff: stimulus package, health care reform, getting the jobs back, etc. In this post, we’ll just mention ObamaCare. Now, President Obama has been on TV 24/7 ever since he was inaugurated; as a matter of fact since even before he was. More recently, he has been on TV multiple times a day talking about ObamaCare –his health care reform. Obama even had an infomercial on ABC selling it. Well, Americans are not buying it.

Rasmussen Reports wrote on July 28, “Americans are fairly evenly divided on the health care reform proposals working their way through Congress. However, most remain convinced the plans will raise costs and hurt the quality of the care they receive.”

Their latest nationwide phone survey found the following:

  • 41% strongly oppose ObamaCare
  • 25% strongly favor the plan
  • Just 23% believe passage of the reform legislation will lead to lower health care costs.
  • Most voters (53%) say it will lead to higher costs
  • 18% expect prices to remain about the same
  • 76% of Democrats favor the proposal and 76% of Republicans are opposed.
  • Among the unaffiliated, 35% are in favor and 60% are opposed.
  • Only 16% of unaffiliateds Strongly Favor the legislative effort while 47% Strongly Oppose it.
  • By 50% to 23% margin, voters expect that passage of the congressional health care reform bill will
  • cause the quality of care to go down.

Obama has been unable to sell this monstrosity to anybody, even though he’s backed by the majority of those in the media.

Obama talks about his health care reform 24/7, and has been consistent in saying how it’s going to “cut costs,” and yet he’s convinced only 23% of Americans that he is not lying. Only 23% believe what Obama is saying about his own plan. A lot of people, and the number continues to go up, are finding out what’s in the health care bill. They are actually reading what’s in the bill and know more about it than their elected officials do. And the more they find out about ObamaCare, the more they want to stay away from it.

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  • abbymartin812
    I am taking this article title very literally.

    I am a proud member of the private sector and I just saw Jim MacDougald on Fox Business talking about how much more money and benefits members of the public sector receive in comparison to those in the private sector. He started an organization called The Free Enterprise Nation and I joined. If you're at all concerned about where your tax money is going, please go to their site and learn up on some of the facts.

    Americans definitely aren't buying what Obama is selling.
  • April
    Help out this debate. Liberals are overwhelming: Should Americans have equal access to health care? Good or Bad?. – What do you think?
  • Eugene1
    Today, on noon news, WPVI 6 ABC in Philadelphia, commentator outlining Obama's trip to Convention Center for a fund raiser said: "Down the street you will find right wing teabaggers doing their thing" Another example of radical left Phila journalism??,,, but again one cannot expect anymore from Mayor Nutter's bankrupt city. I sent a nasygram to Channel 6 pointing out their bias and the fact I turned them off to another channel.
  • Dora
    teabaggers doing their thing? something wrong with that? promoters themselves describe themselves as this... as do many of the people attending these.
    looks like you are just itching to find bitching noise.
    how about something constructive?
    are you able?

    doubt it.
  • AckAck
    LaWhora, what do you think about this?

    Left-wing TV entertainer Keith Olbermann said on MSNBC this week that the only reason Sarah Palin's book is hitting the top of the online best-seller lists is because "right-wing" blogs — he then showed a picture of Newsmax's Web site — are buying the book in "bulk" to pump up sales.

    This is an outrageous lie — but not surprising from Olbermann. (He is a faaaaaaaaaar left extremist liers!) Just typical liberals though...

    It's true Sarah Palin's book is hitting the top of the online charts. But the truth is that Newsmax has not purchased one book from Amazon. In fact, they are offering the book both FREE and at an incredible discount to Amazon. And this book is selling like hot cakes!

    Sarah Palin's new book, "Going Rogue: An American Life," is due out on Nov. 17.

    Newsmax wants you to get this book, which is being touted as offering "sensational revelations." They will be among the first to have copies of Palin's book.

    Lawhora, if you can't get a copy, wait in line or contact me. I have inside contacts for GOOD conservative books. Aparently this is one of the BEST! Oh darn! I forgot, you hate Palin though, don't you? You might not even want to read her book. Hide in a closet somewhere with a flashlight, that should help you to maintain your secret interest in the right... Especially me, I know you love me!
  • Dora
    this link has an ad- a Google ad placed and paid for by Newsmax. They ARE giving away free Palin books with a subscription to their magazine... so, apparently, you are incorrect, Bubbles.

    feel free to click away, Bubbles. There are at least two Palin pictures for you to drool over once you arrive.

    As far as the Nobel Peace Prize for Obama- As an American, I am very proud that our president is so highly thought of - AROUND THE WORLD, that consideration of him for this award was given. You people are so jealous, you are in danger of busting a blood vein. Hope that you have a good health insurance.
  • AckAck
    Lawhora, here is some of the stuff you should be reading and absorbing into your damaged, liberal brain. This is America we are talking about, not some rabbit in your lettuce patch!

    Barack Obama has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. It's a stunning, if not truly surprising, indication of just how meaningless a once honorable and respected award has become. Global politics to name it correctly.

    What has President Obama actually accomplished? Let's see now, Oh yes! He is partly responsible for building ACORN! Boy that must have got him a lot of votes... Or maybe it is because he was born in Kenya and made everyone believe he was really born in Hawaii! That probably got him some votes. It is unfortunate that the president's star power (Awsomeness) has outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights.

    Even the normally fawning media have expressed shock at the clearly political and unmerited award. But the Democrats clearly see it differently, with DNC spokesman Brad Woodhouse stating "the Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists -- the Taliban and Hamas this morning -- in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace Prize." Remember, this is the only real defense they have in making Americans believe this award was earned... They just make everyone look worse than themselves and that makes it okay.

    Like most Americans, the DNC can't think of one achievement that the president has accomplished, so they resort to their predictable response and standard playbook of demonizing anyone who disagrees with them. I got one for them, "AWSOMENESS". Add this to it for a reality check, "THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT THE UNITED STATES".

    First they call Americans concerned over health care "rabid extremists" and "angry mobs." Now, when challenged to answer the question of what the president has accomplished, Democrats are lashing out calling Republicans terrorists. That type of political rhetoric is shameful. And they continue to call Obama "Awsome".

    Democrats and their international leftist allies want America made subservient to the agenda of global redistribution and control. Patrotic Americans and the Republican Party are the only thing standing in their way. So, it stands to reason their outlook toward us is null.

    And their president is "AWSOME". I'm laughing to and I'm a concerned American!
  • JackieM
    AckAck--did you see Hannity interviewing that idiot moore last night? it was a perfect example of the liberal/democrat stupidity. moore couldn't defend obama when Hannity confronted him with the obvious lies obama told the American people. In addition, Hannity tried his best to get moore to live up to his and the democrat/liberal rhetoric about income redistribution by making him a bet that he would give up something too if moore followed through with it and moore backed down. when it comes down to it, the damn liberals/demcorats will not back up what they say and they are full of shit! if dora redistributed her wealth and gave 95% of what she owned to others while living off of 5%, i would think she was dumb but at least i would appreciate her following her own rhetoric. however, none of them will do it but they want everyone else to!
  • AckAck
    Jackie, yes I did. Matter of fact, I thought it was sooooooo good I watched a re-run of it. That stupid nut Moore is a loon. Someone must help him use the bath room, I don't think he has enough brains to know how to flush it. He wasn't even in the same ball park with Hannity. To think there are people stupider than him. They have to be to listen to anything he says. At one point Moore asked Sean why he had him on there. I was waiting for Sean to tell him because he's stupid! But, he is more American than than. Not like me. LOL

    I'll bet old Dora clicks over here and reads our post and can't find anything to say so she hides in the rafters until she thinks one of her liberal nut friends says something she can repeat.
  • JackieM
    good post! LOL! Hannity was so much more intelligent than moore and he blew that idiot out of the water. it was so easy for him to do it too! that is what good interviews are for. he called him to the table unlike the liberals/democrats in the media. maddow, keith o and others are such morons. thank goodness for Fox News! it is time for the idiot liberals/democrats to put up or shut up!
  • AckAck
    By the way Lawhora, I took time to read some of the stupid posts from kidish liberals on that site. So, that is the kind of stuff you get your information from huh? Sounds like a bunch of 3rd graders on a chat site. No wonder you're STUPID!
  • AckAck
    Dora, Dora, Dora, even when you have nothing to say about something, you still think of something to say about nothing. Even though it is still wrong, you will still say it.

    If you read my post, you will see that I already said Newsmax was giving away free Palin books. They are also being offered to Amazon at a discount price, but Newsmax has not bought any books yet. GOT IT? If not, look at my post.

    Now, about Hussein and the Nobel Peace Prize. I did not mention it but since you did, maybe you are asking me to comment on it. Anyway, that is the way I see your post. After all, you're not very complicated, you're easy to read -- normal liberal spin and that's old Dora! Here is what I have to say about the Nobel Prize. IT'S A JOKE! Look at the past winners. Almost all of them losers in what they did. Carter, Gore and now Hussein. Why these guys? Not hard to figure out if you have a brain... That prize is kind of like the donkey's butt trophy -- it is given to the guy that comes in last and all the other people stand around laughing. Well, that is what is happening right now. People in other countries are standing around laughing! Makes me feel ashamed that the people of this country could possible elect someone like him as president.

    Now, on to something more important, the Palin photos, I already have them archived away for future use, along with all the rest I have of her. Oh yes, and I do look at them and drool from time to time and don't worry about my heart, it handles high gear very well for it's age.

    By the way, I think Palin will make a beautiful president, don't you?

    Fly down again sometime, I enjoy our little meets...
  • Bejay B.
    What would Jesus do for the millions on uninsured? I just can't see asking to see an insurance card!
  • JackieM
    Jesus would tell them to go to work and get the benefits. if they are breaking our laws by being here illegally, he would not approve!
  • AckAck
    Jackie, you may have already read this but I am going to post it here anyway. I just received an email from my grand daugher, who is serving our country in the US Navy, and she was in Iraq and Af. with the Army that just got hit and the 8 soldiers died. It's nine now. She knew some of them and the one that was in the hospital with the severe wounds, she knew him personally. Bad scene for her and our troops.

    Here is what we put up with in all this shit with this president. While our troops are over there getting killed in a war they can't possible win the way it is now and here's what this shit head is doing:

    President Barack Obama’s failed bid to bring the 2016 Olympic Games to Chicago cost more than a bruised ego.

    Taxpayers shelled out probably $1 million or more for the president, his wife and others to fly to Copenhagen and back to woo members of the International Olympic Committee.

    A 2006 congressional study pegged the cost of flying Air Force One at $56,518 an hour. The Pentagon recently said it cost $100,219 an hour to fly the huge, reconfigured Boeing 747 without Obama aboard. The Pentagon estimate included more costs for support needs, such as maintenance.

    At those rates, the president’s 14-hour trip to Copenhagen and back cost about $790,000 to $1.4 million.

    While General McCrystal is trying to get his attention about how to win this war, he is off in the wild blue spending tax payers money on a personal mission. What kind of a nit wit president do we have anyway. Does he think the whole country is blind or that we just have to put up with his crap. This stuff was all about his home town anyway, not the country as a whole. This is crazy.
  • Dora
    Bubbles, it was only a matter of time before one of you dimwits here felt the need to bitch and moan about Obama going to Copenhagen to put in a personal appeal for America's bid for the Olympics. Note AMERICA'S BID. There is absolutely no doubt that equal bitching and moaning would come from the very same people had Obama NOT gone. The fact of the matter is that had the U.S. been selected to host the Olympics it would have generated REVENUE and JOBS....Jobs that would have begun immediately had the U.S. been chosen. JOBS. Something that you claim to care about- when the wind is blowing a certain direction but only on days that begin with Q apparently. Watching the glee and cheers from the republicans at the news that Rio had been selected was akin to the ever irrational Rush Windbag's burning desire for "Obama to fail" was disgusting but not at all surprising. You people claim to be Americans- however your actions and words bring quite another A-word to mind.

    Frankly, in my opinion, Rio deserved to host the games- we have hosted more than our share. I'm glad that they were selected for this reason.
  • AckAck
    Dora, talking about a dumb ass. You have got to be kidding. No, I guess you are serious. You don't know diddly shit about what you are talking about. You know nothing about how we have maintained our freedom in America for all these years. Matter of fact, YOU DON'T GIVE A FRIG! People like you make my ass crave butter milk in the summer time.

    Obama went on the Olympic trip for public attraction ONLY! No other reason. Everyone knew the United States had already been ruled out as a serious contender for the Olympics. Yet, your president had to fire up Air Force One and fly his ass over there, take a bunch of people with cameras and spend all that money. FOR NOTHING!

    As for the Afghan war, we went over there to KILL OUR ENEMY! Get that through your freekin head. NOT TO CUDDLE THE AFGHAN PEOPLE - TO KILL OUR ENEMY! The initial request for additional troops was somewhere around 120,000 or more. That was from the Generals on the ground and the Commanders in the field. This was how many soldiers they needed to go in and kick the enemy's ass. In other words, KILL THEM. You see, your kind of people adhere to the politically correct system that seems to want to take over our society here in America. They were told right out by the Obama Administration that they had to draw that figure down to around 40,000. Even with that he is dragging his political feet with this war and people are dying in the process. The more time he fucks around the more soldiers gets killed for no reason. Simply because they don't have enough troops for the vast area to do the job right. And your guy just keeps playing his games!

    How about his latest little dumb ass move? Getting all those people, supposively doctors, to the white house to take pictures for his little sceme of getting the health care bill passed. THEY EVEN GAVE THEM THE WHITE COATS THEY WORE! Talking about a set up. Do you not see this in this weasle? I would be ashamed to claim this bastard as my president.
  • JackieM
    AckAck--I couldn't have said it better myself, especially the last line!
  • AckAck
    Jackie, did you see the piece of reporting on Detroit? Unemployment is up to 28%, crime rate is the highest it has ever been in the history of the city, the murder rate is the highest it has ever been, the population is disappearing, (except for the ones in public housing and the poverty districts).

    Did you see the lines the news showed that was the product of a promise from Obama that everyone was going to get $3,000.00 from stimulus money. They found out this was not true. The lines were all black. Now again, I have nothing against black people, some of my friends are black, but WHAT IS - IS! the population as a whole, needs to be taught something. Whites and Blacks! GOVERNMENT CAN'T GO ON FEEDING, HOUSING AND RAISING THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN! The government has no more money except for the printing presses which is running constantly and deflating the US dollar.

    I thought this is a perfect example of what's going to happen with all of our industrialized cities with this guy in the white house. I'm not putting all the blame on him but his CHANGE is the wrong CHANGE! Everyone in this country should see that. I am pretty sure they all do but we have learned to live under the politicially correct syndrom that has taken over this country. Especially against the white people.

    What needed to be done with the CHANGE of this country, is all the money needed to go into manufacturing plants and everyone on welfare or living in public housing would have to go to work and pay taxes, not raise their families on welfare, medi-cade, emergency rooms and food stamps. This is all real right here in the good ole USA and all the politicians have know this for years. ALL THE POLITICIANS! The majority of them are still ignoring it. Along with these changes add oversite to medicare and stop the rip-off of it and it could be affordable for everyone. They're not going to do this though, it is going to be the same old thing until we're running up and down the streets getting shot and our heads chopped off...
  • JackieM
    AckAck--your comment--everyone on welfare or living in public housing would have to go to work and pay taxes, not raise their families on welfare, medi-cade, emergency rooms and food stamps.

    You are right!

    The liberals would have nothing to bitch about except for the environment and gay rights so they would fade away into oblivion! That is a thought!

    The democrats/liberals don't want positive change. The problems in Chicago are a result of the liberal agenda. obama has his hands in this mess for sure! they think pouring money into a bad system will correct all of the problems. personal responsibility is non-existent in the liberal world. the problem is going to get worse all over this country. as a matter of fact, we are going to have bigger problems as the small business shut down because of the additional taxes/fines/fees that obama is going to impose. of course, the average person will pay higher insurance premiums. i guess liberals love this kind of change. ruining the middleclass and increasing poverty is definitely making the liberals happy right now unfortunately!
  • AckAck
    Make no mistake. We're now in the middle of a bloodless coup - the takeover of an entire nation by the hate-America crowd - a cold-blooded gang that despises American's prosperity, our standing in the world, our trust in God and our generosity and goodness.

    The christians, the conservatives and the republicans along with anyone else that loves America must stand up now and take the necessary action to stop all this. WE MUST SEE THIS! The time is now.

    Find out where one of the Tea Party's is located, tell others about it and attend one yourself. Join a group, a crowd, or anyone who is willing to stand up for America! WE MUST DO THIS! If we don't see this and take action, AMERICA IS DOOMED TO BE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.

  • JackieM
    after my laughter subsided this morning with the news of idiot obama getting the nobel for doing nothing but running his mouth about a subject he knows nothing about as usual, I heard that there were fewer jobs created in August than there has been since 2000. then I heard the obama morons say the stimulus was working better than expected. well, we know the 8.2% unemployment rate that was promised was a lie and the lies about how many jobs the stimulus created are just speculation on obama's part because they can't be proven. the fact that it can't be proven is the reason obama and his corrupt followers will claim they are true. so where are we now? the people who need jobs and are looking for them are being downplayed and treated very poorly by this administration and it supporters. how dare the SOBs ignore the plight of people who are suffering all in the name of politics and selfishness! why not CONSIDER giving them more unemployment benefits while giving small businesses tax breaks so they will begin hiring people? people don't want handouts. THEY WANT JOBS! months and months ago i predicted this would happen and i posted about it on this site. companies would not hire people regardless of whether they could or not because they would wait to see how obama's tax and spend policies would affect them. they understand obama will hit them hard with more taxes so they are not going to hire people. this trickle up fictional policy obama has implemented is FUCKING UP AMERICA! it is no wonder obama and the liberals/democrats are dividing this country more than ever.

    to top it all off, i was watching a little bit of maddow last night. i don't watch it normally but want to ensure i hear what the stupid are saying periodically but i can't watch for long because i tend to feel sick quickly. she had some liberal idiot professor on with her talking about what Replublicans are trying to do. how in the hell would that idiot teacher know what Republicans are trying to do? she is just a liberal teacher. LOL! I was laughing at the stupidity and was disgusted at the lies and ignorance. then maddow told the idiot liberal moron that she was smart! LOL! the hatred from the left is beyond anything i've ever seen. they beat out a lot of extremist groups in their hatred for those who are not as whacked out as they are.
  • JackieM
    by the way, obama owes true Americans a huge apology for screwing up this country and causinig families and children to suffer! he and his cult/followers are selfish SOBs and assholes! they need an education on what our founding fathers wanted for this country.
  • JackieM
    dumb dora--let's get this straight once and for all! revenue would have been generated but there is no guarantee there would have been profits! the jobs created would not have been permanent and we need millions of permanent jobs! i guess you and obama think alike when it comes to applying bandaids for appearance purposes only. if you understood just a little you would never had made this comment. there have been cities who have hosted the olympics that have lost money and gained nothing but headaches afterwards. chicago is a corrupt city with the corrupt obama leading the way. their schools are failing (you know the ones obama "helped") and their crime rate is high. in addition, they didn't have the money to pay for the infrastructure. do your homework before you speak! i guess math wasn't your subject? as usual your kind continues to spew lies (half truths). i will repeat this again for the stupid. i hope obama fails also. if he succeeds, our country and its people will fail. i guess this is too hard of a subject for you to comprehend so i won't go into the simple facts to back this statement up. besides, it is too easy! obama has more important issues to attend to. people are losing their homes and small businesses are continuing to lay off people all across this country. why in the hell is he going overseas when he can easily correct these problems at home but refuses to? i guess we know the answer to that one! if you ask the idiot, he will say healthcare is the answer to our economic problems. LOL! what a lie! oh yeah, your kind have been saying that people are dying in the streets because they can't get healthcare. i would really like to know where that is. i have visited quite a few places and have never seen this. now i know this is highly probable if a healthcare plan passes because healthcare will be rationed unless obama can pull millions of additional healthcare workers out of his ass! i guess you think he can do that too!
  • JackieM
    Your grand daughter is a great American and it sickens me that she has to see what is happening to our nation and soldiers while she is fighting for our freedom. obama has made a mockery out of our country and it will take years to get our power back. however, thanks to bagdad bob it may be too late! this idiot is so arrogant that he thinks he can just speak and it happens. however, he ignores the plight of our soldiers in Afghanistan. during the campaign obama said he could multi-task. well, we know that was just another lie. a decision should have already been made to give our commanders the people they need but instead obama is insistent on promoting his "celebrity" status. everyone i know is disgusted with this SOB and wants him out! obama definitely has blood on his hands when soldiers are dying because that idiot doesn't order the additional soldiers that were asked for. if obama had made the decision quickly and given the order to send more troops, they wouldn't have had time to get set up over there yet. however, since obama is a lazy ass, the enemy is becoming more embolden. they know he is a weak SOB and won't defend our country!
  • Dora
    shut up jackie. you just look stupid. you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
    you don't have a clue what is involved here.
    we don't need knee-jerk reactions like yours in response to serious issues.
    i don't think you even have any idea who "the enemy" is.
  • JackieM
    dora--you are an idiot! i don't think you have any authority or the capacity to get me to shut up! it is a free country. your kind keeps forgetting that! i guess you and your idiot liberal friends don't understand the meaning of leadership! politics is playing a huge part with you and the moron called obama. we have seen this time and time again! every day that he fucks around and does nothing is a day wasted. he is putting our troops in grave danger! i guess it is impossible for you to comprehend such things! i have a great understanding of who the enemy is and we have several! obama is ensuring that the list gets longer!
  • Dora
    here is what you don't understand, jackie:

    Afghanistan has never...NEVER - had a standing army of more than 80,000. Never. The stated goal (of late) has been said to help Afghanistan stand on it's own feet - part of this includes a goal of obtaining 400,000 soldiers in the Afghanistan army. When talk of bringing in an additional 40,000 U.S. troops into the picture (currently there are about 100,000 FOREIGN troops on Afghan soil - more than 60,000 of them American) this creates a delicate balance that is easily viewed as an OCCUPATION rather than assistance. Obama is well aware of how this can be used against the forces working on behalf of the Afghan peoples. The United States has already - for many years, but never more so than during the Bush occupation of Iraq- had the negative appearance of "imperialism" - especially in the middle east.
    There's a whole lot more involved here than bringing in more bodies and bullets, jackie. a whole lot more. Obama understands this, you do not.
  • JackieM
    dora--i do understand the situation more than you will ever know. however, you are so adament in your opinion that obama understands this. how do you know what he comprehends and what he does not? where is his experience in such matters? if he took this situation seriously, there would have been more talks with McCrystal before now. he is dealing with this situation from a political standpoint and you know it. being a leader requires obama to be on top of every situation that is important to our nation and being proactive in his decisions. we have soldiers over there who are being put in more and more danger everyday. they can't be just left to fend for themselves until that idiot decides to make up his mind. that is what YOU don't understand among other things! by the way, obama said his economic plan would ensure there would be no more than 8.2% unemployment. we know that was a joke so obama doesn't know what he is doing.
  • 2bluestarmom
    People get ready, there's a train a comin'
    You don't need no baggage, you just get on board
    All you need is faith to hear the diesels hummin'
    Don't need no ticket, you just thank the Lord

    People get ready for the teaparty to DC
    It's picking up patriots from coast to coast
    Faith is the key, open the doors and board 'em
    There's hope for all among those loved the most.

    There ain't no room for obama and the hopeless marxist czars
    Who would hurt all mankind just to save his own
    Have pity on those whose chances grow thinner
    For there's no hiding place against the Kingdom's throne

    So people get ready, there's a train a comin'
    You don't need no baggage, you just get on board
    All you need is faith to hear the diesels hummin'
    Don't need no ticket, you just thank the Lord
  • flyfshr1cd
    2blue< "where's the money"? Have you asked Bush what he done with it?
  • AckAck
    Fry Fish, why do you think conservatives on here are going to believe anything you say anymore after lying about the birth certificate like you did. Since you got caught lying you don't want to talk about it anymore. If I were you I'd be so embarrassed I'd just get lost...
  • flyfshr1cd
    The rubber meets the road. HR3200 proves the lying liars from LIEsites and their poll parrots.
  • AckAck
    Fish, where's the certificate?
  • flyfshr1cd
    Once again, the Cons here post lies about Obamacare. Again, they prove to be morally bankrupt because they know if they post a link, that I will expose it as a lie by reference to HR3200. I've already done that to Aliy with her "death panels". and I'll do it for anyone here for any other lie. Goofy Aliy asks "where to I get this stuff", and I cite the page and section to HR3200. The fact is you Cons CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
  • AckAck
    Fish, you sound like a broke record. Where is the Birth Certificate? You said it was posted all over the web and in all the news papers. WHERE IS IT? How come I can't find it and you can?
  • flyfshr1cd
    Ack, Told ya, I'm done with the birth cert issue.
  • AckAck
    Fish, NO! You're not done with the BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUE YOU LYING FRIGGIN LIBERAL! You'll never be done with it as long as I'm around. No more corners to run in huh? No more ifs, ands, or buts to cover up the LIE you frekin liberals run around telling. This is one bird that has not bought it and there are many more that is demanding to see it...
  • 2bluestarmom
    Where is the money?

    So, beside the fact they don’t write or read the bills anymore, but special interest groups are now writing our bills, ya know, the ones who are self proclaimed communist, socialist etc…


    Aren’t you curious, a little, tiny bit?

    Where is the money they so urgently needed for the so called bailouts that “the sky is falling” proclamations were heard from around the world?

    Where is the money? What are they doing with our money? What about the transparency?

    What is transparent to me is “they” are using it to restructure our country and that is NOT a good thing!

    And who, are “they?”
  • geniusconservative
    hey you might not know this, but rich, powerful bastards who own corporations don't like the "common man" getting any money. So when you wonder where the money is, it's in the same hands it's always been.
  • flyfshr1cd
    genius, Right on. The Conservative Party is controlled by the ruling elite, and they Bushit the ignorant masses, the very same middle class that they screw daily.
  • flyfshr1cd
    aliy, you've been lied to twice regarding "death panels". That clause only allows for counseling for a terminally ill patient when they may chose to stop the agony and decide to die with dignity. It is their choice, not any "death panel". The 2nd lie is that the White House will take that out of the bill. Show me a link from a national news service to prove me wrong. You've been Bushitted. If you CAN handle the truth, you'll go here for that, as well as seven other myths that your LIEsites have insisted
  • aliy
    It is counciling every 5 years for people over 65 that will pay a doctor to push hospice as an option. no for terminally ill patients, that's what it is NOW, not what's in this bill. Where are you GETTING THIS STUFF?

    Holy Crap Fly, I swear to God I've never seen someone read plain English and be SOOOO far off what it actually says!

    You do that a lot, like with people's posts, you read stuff and you make up what you think it might have been about.

    Until you learn to read and understand what it is you're reading please go somewhere else, you're just tiring me out with this nonsense.
  • flyfshr1cd
    Aliy, I've told you were I get my facts, and that's from the actual bill that you know will prove you wrong.
  • flyfshr1cd
    Aliy, I see that in your post to Amber, you've already backed off from Sara Palin's lie about "death panels". Then you have the unmitigated gall to accuse me of making things up, when I've continuously posted a link to HR3200 which backs up everything I've posted, and you've refused to post your links that PROVE your posts. ALL of your posts from LIEsites make claims beginning with "we have reports that", "our policy analysts tell us that", "our reporter tells us that", "private sources tell us" and the like. When the rubber meet's the road right here, you show your true colors. You repeat lies from LIEsites, and you can NEVER use the real HR3200 Bill for a reference to support any of the lies. Do prove me wrong by reading the bill here, or shut your ignorant pie hole!
  • flyfshr1cd
    Aliy, You haven't read a page of HR3200. Don't be telling me that I don't know what the bill reads, because I have. You're tiring yourself out with YOUR nonsense. When you can site the page numbers from the bill for ANY of your ridiculous claims, you can talk. But then, it so much easier to repeat lies from your LIEsites, and I doubt if you even care that you repeat those lies.
  • aliy
    Done it many, many, many times I will not do it again. Even IF I put the page numbers, lines, sections and exact verbage in here you're going to argue with me. You win. I'm done fighting with you fly, you can go collect your ACORN pay check now, you've got me to a point where I just don't care anymore. I really hope you DO get your way and I really hope you DO get very sick and have to wait in line for treatment. The only way you're going to learn is when it actually happens so you. No sense in arguing with you now. You'll see someday.
  • RobertinSanDiego
    From a Friend:

    To My Black Colleagues:

    Will Health Care Reform mean that all of the so-called Public Hospitals that blacks have been force to go to for decades will be done away with and replaced with new modern hospitals so that blacks will no longer have to go these government run hospitals for medical care? These inner-city Public hospitals are considered as government run medical programs.

    From my understanding the answer is no. Poor blacks in inner-cities across America will still be forced to go to public hospitals, hospitals that the members of Congress will not be caught dead in. As a child I remember going to Public Hospitals. My mother was so upset with their care and their lack of sensitivity toward black folks that she stop taking us to the hospital and came up with home remedies to treat us. I still have several of the medical books that my mother bought to treat her family. These public hospitals are government run hospitals, but they are never referred to when Congress is asked can they provide quality health care programs.

    According to Tavis Smiley's State of The Black Union, since the Tuskegee Experiment, blacks do not trust the government and government run hospitals. Not only was there the Tuskegee Experiment, there have been other secret government experiments targeting blacks, one in particular at the prison in Monroe, Washington (state) a few years ago. Because of the Tuskegee Experiment, the 20,000 members of the National Medical Association (an African American Professioal Medical Association) demanded an apology from the Clinton Administration. Clinton said, "To our African American citizens, I am sorry that your federal government orchestrated a study so clearly racist...."

    Should blacks trust the government's proposed Health Choice Commissioners in Section 201 of the proposed Health Care Bill, a Commission that will decide what care the patient should receive, particularly when blacks know that this is the same government that has approved a system of death that has killed over 17 million black babies and a system that was started and inspired by Eugenics (a program to control the population growth of blacks)? If a black need medical care, can he or she trust this Commission to reach a decision without the consideration of one's race? Or will the commissioners withhold treatment of the black and just let him or her die because they are old or a gang banger? How can they assure blacks that these Commissioners are not prejudice?

    These are some of the questions that blacks should be asking Congress.

    Rev. Wayne Perryman
  • thelibertytree
    Is Obama taking us down the wrong path?? Let 'em know!
  • ucworksforneolibs
    I waited for your ratings (uc) urban neolib, for your ratings to dive along with neolibs and terror countries, erase this comment, we can't trust your site, sppecially if we need to denounce neolib terror logistics.
    Ah, you uc, have personaly replayed comments like mine, debated, are on the c$ar comunications countest?,
    erase this comment, and I won't blog here, me AND MY ARMIES
    what armies?
    no, wait, you did it during the elections, neolib crap is blogged here in this site, so, why you won't do it again?, you have debated me on bho relations along neolibs with terror, not only the historic megacorruption and wrong ideas road to hell
    1 week took you to allow conservative comments again
    and you still believing anamontes laws
  • aliy
    No one can debate you sir, because you make NO SENSE.
  • aliy
    I love the figures, it's about time American's woke up.

    I think the liberals on this site (all but Dora, she's been a thorn in the side of this site for a while) but the newby's popping up., I think they are all sitting in a warehouse drawing a paycheck from Acorn to post on here. I don't believe they have original thoughts, they are still spitting out the same old same old you hear out of Obama's mouth.

    PS-- for those liberals who fought with us tooth and nail that "hospice was NOT part of the bill" the white house said yesterday they were willing to take that part out. So, which is it, was it a lie that it was there or was it THEM who lied when they told us it wasn't in there!? I would say agreeing to take that part out is admission it IS in there!! But I'm sure a liberal will rationalize that and make it a conservatives fault too.
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