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Breaking News! Bay Area Anti-War protest planned in San Francisco

March 18th, 2008 Urban Conservative

Yeah, well not really breaking news if you live in San Francisco.  This happens all the damn time around here. I just heard on the news that “peace activists” plan demonstrations across the nation today to mark the fifth anniversary of the start of the Iraq war.  More than 600 events are planned nationwide and I am sure there will be about 600 total protesters there as well. The ironic thing about this whole situation is that these apparent “peace activists”, led by their fearless leader Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink will surely be holding anti-Israel banners proudly showing their support for peaceful organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.

This nonsense just makes me laugh.

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30 Responses to Breaking News! Bay Area Anti-War protest planned in San Francisco

  1. I'll be there with my sign: 'This is your brain at war. Any questions?' showing an empty helmet and a brain sizzling in the desert sand.

    March 19th, 2008 4:19 am dissolvethecorporation
  2. Decided I would check out a conservative blog today- see how it compared to the liberal blogs I usually read.

    So I searched 'conservative blog' on google, and this was the first search site on the list.

    Is this all that happens? You post insulting nonsense that doesn't even pretend to be a cohesive argument? All I see here is that someone knows how to find a news story, associate it with things conservatives find negative (even if their is no evidence to support such an association), and then throw in a few insults.

    I mean, both sides have blogs of this low quality, but that this was the first one to come up is just shocking...

    March 19th, 2008 5:51 am 57yo
  3. @ 57yo

    Really, what's do damn SHOCKING about this blog. What was so shocking that you added this no-value comment to this blog? What do you expect to be here? A cohesive argument between who? You and me?

    March 19th, 2008 6:02 am Urban Conservative
  4. Urban Conservative,

    I'd take the previous comments with a grain of salt.

    It's quite possible that the 'peace activists' aren't aware of the terroristic activity that Hamas and Hezbollah indulge in.

    Having lived decades in and near academic enclaves, I know the sort of selective information vacuum that can exist there.

    March 19th, 2008 6:59 am Norski
  5. So much for a meaningful and civil discussion on the issues. But hey, when the best you have to throw at those who disagree with you is political talking points that don't mean anything and insults to people you don't even know, I guess that speaks volumes into how much of a useless tool you are.

    Then again, I just come here for the laughs.

    March 19th, 2008 11:25 am Liem
  6. @ Liam

    I am glad that my little blog can add so much comedic value to your miserable life.

    You want civil discussions? Go to the WSJ. This blog is one man's opinion and other's opinion about my opinion. Deal with it.

    - U

    March 19th, 2008 5:01 pm Urban Conservative
  7. What's new here? A conservative comment about one of the far too many peace protests going on around the country and curious people from opposite political beliefs "infiltrating" the blog and posting rants about the weakness of the discussion and/or debate.

    Lay off a little bit. Sit back and listen to what some of the more thoughtful people have to say from both sides. Maybe a little bit of good will come out of being silent for awhile.

    These protests are a very poor way to spend time, effort and money. The people who agree simply sit back and agree and those who don't agree get angry and much less likely to agree or even listen to what is being said. Maybe if ideas were implemented in a more rational and thoughtful way they might be listened to every once in awhile.

    March 19th, 2008 5:08 pm Spanky
  8. Another pro-dimmie protest ... great Blog.
    Subcribed to feed and added to blogroll...

    March 20th, 2008 1:00 am American Interests
  9. With all do respect to you and your blog, I was at the protests here in San Francisco. This country was founded on the belief that people could organize to make change. You are entitled to your opinion, however, saying that demonstration is a waste of time and money is a ridiculous statement. Without demonstrations like these, we would have no womens rights, no civil rights for the African American community, we wouldn't even have a protestant church. They all started with a group protesting the current way of thinking. Be glad that people exercise these rights.

    And slinging insults doesn't make your voice heard, understand that this is a country of free will and although someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make them stupid, or uneducated on the issues.

    March 20th, 2008 12:45 pm NicAnox
  10. A few points, firstly for mine dimmie does not mean uneducated or stupid, one can be highly educated and clever but act like a dimmie, just depends where one sits on the ideological continuum hence, our fundamental differences.

    People can indeed organize for change and express an opinion; woman’s and civil rights were important outcomes no doubt.

    The “pro-dimmie” remark here was specific to the subject matter of the post, nothing more or less; anti war protests espousing quasi neo-Marxist elements of the anti-military (anti-American) left.

    Finally, the word dimmie (spelt dimmy at springs to mind when reflecting on the authors comments, "holding anti-Israel banners proudly showing their support for “peaceful” organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah." Now that's dim...

    March 20th, 2008 2:05 pm American Interests
  11. @NicAnox

    Where did I say that this demonstration was a waste of time and money? Would you have the same opinion if the protest happened on the doorsteps of Planned Parenthood?

    Of course we have these rights to protest, assemble, free speech, etc. I am glad that we do and I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. But most people forget how these rights came to fruition or how they are protected. You (not you personally, well maybe I don’t know) criticize and spit and the same people who are risking their lives for your right to do so. It’s those men and woman flying the jets and tanks that should be bitching, but they don’t!

    March 20th, 2008 8:19 pm Urban Conservative
  12. Having been a combat infantry soldier, I have seen the demonstrations on both sides. While i don't agree with radical far left protestors, and they may mock the very freedom that the armed forces provides, I'm still filled with pride,honor,core values and the understanding that I am doing exactly what our founding fathers would've wanted. I don't agree with radical left protest, but I will defend their right to do it. That's why I live in the greatest country on the planet! I understand that others are naive to the way the rest of the world and radical terroist organizations operate and think, I'm sorry that they think everything is tea and crumpets and that we can all just get along. Well, it doesn't work that way and the majority of us see the disfunctional side of world and know exactly what we must do to make sure our homeland is protected. I've been spit on, cursed, but that just makes me stronger! The weak and the weak minded still need protection, even though we disagree with their morals and values. Code Pink has no idea what a code red is, if they did they would surely change their thought process concerning various situations involving our nation's security. I have seen things that a lot of people would not be able to stomach. It's a harsh reminder that organizations and radical groups want us dead. Not just soldiers,sailors,airmen and marines, but that includes code pink and all the radical far left protestors in the US. You just can't be nice to some people. Not everyone wants to have a tupperware party and bring warm cozy house warming gifts, just to say hello and welcome to the neighborhood.


    March 21st, 2008 6:25 am William
  13. John McCain may not know the difference between a Sunni and a Shi’ite but rest assured that the people in Iraq know, the people in Iran know and Al Qaeda knows. You can also bet that the cynics in the White House and the Pentagon who are planning and executing our strategy in the region know as well.

    Iran is Shi’ite dominated. The Maliki government in Iraq is Shi’ite dominated, thus the close connections between Al Maliki and Iran as witnessed during the congenial meetings recently between Al Maliki and Ahmadinejad of Iran. As Joe Lieberman whispered to McCain this week when McCain failed to understand that Iran was Shi’ite dominated and Al Qaeda is Sunni dominated, there is no love lost between Shi’ite Iran and Sunni Al Qaeda.

    So who is the US now arming in an effort to bring stability to Iraq? The Sunnis, the party of Al Qaeda. That’s right, we’re arming the guys affiliated with Al Qaeda in an effort to counter the growing influence of Iran in Iraq’s Shi’ite led government. And at a cost of 4000 lives and $12 billion a month, you are paying for the whole sorry thing!

    As reported today by Selig S. Harrison, director of the Asia program at the Center for International Policy:

    “Until now, I was told, Iran has been actively helping the United States to stabilize Iraq during the “surge” by reducing its weapons inputs to Shi’ite militias, including the Mahdi Army of Moqtada al-Sadr, who has ordered a cease-fire under Iranian pressure. But the message was clear: Unless Petraeus drastically cuts back the Sunni militias, Tehran will unleash the Shi’ite militias against US forces again and step up help to Maliki’s intelligence service, the Ministry of National Security. The United States has created a rival agency under Sunni control, the National Intelligence Service.

    “The tensions building between the Maliki government and the Bush administration over Iran’s role in Iraq were underlined recently when Maliki, with visiting President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran at his side, said that Iran “has been very helpful in bringing back security and stability to Iraq.” Two days later, Lieutenant General Ray Odierno, the retiring deputy commander of US forces in Iraq, criticized Iran for continuing to “train surrogates, fund surrogates, and supply weapons to them.”

    “The burgeoning US-sponsored Sunni militias so far number some 90,000 US-equipped fighters who are each paid $300 a month. This is euphemistically called the “Sunni Awakening.” The militias pose a growing challenge to the dominance of Maliki’s predominantly Shi’ite army, with its authorized strength of 186,000. Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the key Shi’ite leader backing Maliki, has repeatedly complained that “weapons should be in the hands of the government only, and the government alone should decide who gets them. The alternative will be perpetual civil war.”

    “Iran’s former deputy foreign minister, Mahmoud Vaezi, told me that arming the Sunnis “suggests to us that the US is deliberately seeking to keep them strong enough to undermine al-Maliki and contain our influence. It will be impossible for us to cooperate in stabilizing Iraq if this goes on. If you shift power to the Sunnis, then some Shia groups will say, ‘If we can get more power through terrorist tactics, why not?’ ”

    “President Bush attempts to justify an indefinite US military occupation of Iraq as a counter to Iranian influence. But the reality is that Iran will have dominant influence in Iraq whether or not a stable government emerges in Baghdad and whether or not US forces remain. History and ethnic arithmetic make this the inescapable legacy of the US invasion.

    “Shi’ites make up 62 percent of the Iraq population. Yet for five centuries, the Ottoman and British invaders who preceded Saddam Hussein, using classic divide-and-rule tactics, installed successive Sunni minority governments to contain the Shi’ite majority. By destroying the Sunni-dominated Hussein regime, Bush gave the Iraqi Shi’ites an unprecedented opportunity to rule that they are now determined to exploit.”

    So we have switched from our strategy of arming both sides in the Iraq civil war, now we are backing the guys nominally aligned with Al Qaeda so we can counter Iran’s growing influence in Iraq. Despite the wonderful rhetoric from the impotent Bush yesterday, this is what our Iraq strategy has wrought, and what our boys are dying for.

    Instead of defending ourselves from Al Qaeda we have painted ourselves into a corner where we need to fund people aligned with Al Qaeda, the guys who attacked us on 9/11, in order to counter the influence of Iran in the region. Any you guys say we’re winning?

    March 21st, 2008 7:38 am phil
  14. Hi! I've decided to support Nader up until election day, then I'll vote for McCain. Come join my cause! - Cheers!

    March 21st, 2008 12:06 pm Nader Baiter
  15. @UrbCon

    Wow, I step away for a few days and come back to see you filled with rage (and thus making less sense).

    I respect that we have different views on whether we should be continuing the war efforts, but what concerns me is your frequent habit of reminding people about how much you appreciate the rights we have in this country ... while condemning groups who exercise those freedoms when you disagree with the cause. We can't have these rules and then pick and choose when we apply them. I think protesters on both sides get it wrong, and while I would like for many of them to shut up I also respect the slippery slope that creates.

    "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free, then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

    That's a movie quote from a fictional democratic president. Can you name the movie?

    March 21st, 2008 12:52 pm Suburban Moderate
  16. @SubMod

    Rage? You call that rage? I only get filled with rage when people call me names on this blog; and when I read quotes from Michael Douglas of all people. Let me leave you with a quote Suburban, which I think is more suitable for this conversaiton.

    “Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? … I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don't want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!”

    All I ask is that these so called protesters show some respect. Is that too much to ask, or is that another violation of their civil liberties? By condemning these people, am I not exercising my right to free speech?

    March 21st, 2008 6:53 pm Urban Conservative
  17. Yes, you are Urban conservative. The very same freedom given to those code pink hate mongers living under the protective blanket provided by our armed forces. You are just as entitled and more deserving in my eyes. I've served and fought knowing that myself and my fellow soldiers,airmen,marines and sailors, are, and will continue, to make it possible for the very same individuals that mock and degrade us, to continue to receive their constitutional right to spew whatever insulting rhetoric it is they want to say. They complain and scrutinize everything the military does, and as hard as it is to swallow, i know that each and every one of us are doing exactly what our founding fathers would have intended. The clueless individuals from the far left of us think that freedom is handed to us on a silver platter, and that the world around us is a nice cozy place where "Everyone Can Just Get Along". Assumption is exactly what it is and is will not make an ass out of you or me, even though some deserve the consequence when you assume. There are individuals on this globe, that despise even hearing the word America. And if given the chance, would put a bullet through the head of you or your children, just because you are an American. They fear no prosecutor in the world, let alone one from our homeland. White,black,yellow,brown, it doesn't matter to them, as long as your dead. Some even believe they will be rewarded in their heaven with many riches for killing any of us. You can't rationalize with those types of extreme beliefs. They will not have mercy on you because you condemn the very government they despise, and the one who makes it possible for you to spew your anti-american sentiments. If it is so terrible and unbearable, there isn't any law stating that you cannot pack up and leave. There are many many more places to live on this globe, so if you hate it here that much, leave and do us all a favor. I would love to see any far left anit-government protestors attempt to speak the way they do, any where else in the world. The vast majority, would inflict severe punishment, in some cases even death for such rhetoric. Individuals, not all, thank god for that, take for granite the daily freedoms we possess in the greatest country on earth. Sacrifices are made every day, to ensure any individual has the right to every letter the constitution stands for. Lives are lost, that is sad, i have seen my share taken away in front of my very eyes, but i know that it is necessary to ensure freedom. I would gladly give my life, to ensure, my children have a safe and prosperous childhood and adult life. It is necessary to aid in every way possible, any individual or nation, that is weak or unable to protect itself from cruel,harsh,unreasonable punishment or cruelty. Liberating individuals and countries from any form of evil, readily ensures safety and security for the United States. The sacrifices of war, are necessary, tragically, to create and promote peaceful democratic nations. Diplomacy should always be first, but does not always guarantee a peaceful resolution. War is not perfect, it requires so very much of it's military, and the families of those individuals. So to any radical, anti-American organization here in the states, i stand staunchly against your ideology and inflammatory rhetoric, but i would die for your right to profess it in any public or private assembly. Thank your lucky stars you have such a unselfish,non-judgmental, all volunteer military, who are willing to sacrifice their personal happiness and that of their families, to make sure radical opposing organizations have plenty of platforms to insult and degrade from, throughout the country. I guarantee most of the same individuals would not make the same sacrifices if called upon to do so. That is what makes us stand above our radical, insult mongering counterparts, that only wish to reap our freedoms, but refuse to support, or at the very least have some respect and maybe, just maybe, say thank you, to all of us courageous individuals out there risking it all to make sure you have everything that makes you safe and comfortable in this world. "Your Welcome"! As i stated previously, all volunteer force! I have no doubt, that if called upon during a crisis, and asked to defend this nation through the process of draft, Canada and many other countries, would spill over with far left, self inclined, freedom thieving draft dodgers, who would make a hasty exit, but be the first to return and indulge, once again, in the very same freedoms, provided by the same government and individuals they ran from. Doesn't matter what part of the world you live in, or what ethnicity or skin color you have, greedy, unappreciative individuals, will always be present. Sacrifice,Loyalty,Honor,Dedication,Respect and dignity are something these people will never adhere to, or even understand. The only dedication and loyalty they have, are to themselves and whatever they choose to support. No self sacrifice to anything, unless it involves their own personal morals and values. Sitting back and absorbing the very freedom provided, does not even remotely register as a sacrifice for freedom. Making sure individuals who share opposing views, have a place to debate speak freely of them. Nothing is perfect, the government or the military. Mistakes are and will be made. Criticism is welcome and encouraged to prevent future mistakes and unnecessary casualties during a time of war, constructive, meaningful exchanges of opinions and views, are essential to resolution. One sided, hate mongering rhetoric, with no willingness to compromise, due to blinded, apparent hatred to individuals and what they represent, is completely inappropriate, but still, the vast numbers of individuals that exist and are constitutionally protected to publicly promote their damaging,insensitive, preaching of anti-American rhetoric. To those of you who share my common beliefs of morality, and understand the price tag on the freedoms we utilize daily, thank you. To those of you who oppose my views and spit on my very ideas of compromise and sacrifice, thank you as well! Individuals like yourself, make it easy for me to wake up every [email protected] 0430 and look at myself in the mirror. Reinforces my ability to stand at attention, and throw a crisp salute to the very flag our founding fathers spilled their blood for. Knowing that what our military is doing right now, is noble and just, ensuring freedom and justice for all individuals who yearn for it the way most of us here do. No one should be denied the privilege of choice in a democratic society. Even the ones who mock the same democracy that protects them day in and day out. Thats my rant, sorry, i remember my fathers stories of his return home from vietnam. The way he would be labeled a baby killer or murderer, then spat on by the same individuals i've witnessed upon my return home. Not nearly the numbers, as during the vietnam era, but alarming,disappointing and filled with just as much opinionated hate for anyone they see dawning the uniform of our proud military men and women. Or anyone, who supports them for that matter. It's not spirited disagreement on their part either, it's hate filled defamatory commentary to anyone that opposes their radical,naive views. They expect freedom from the very ones they mock, but taking the same for granite is far more imperative than appreciating the freedoms provided. I may not agree with what you say or believe, but i will defend your right to disagree, with my life if i have to. Those words will never resinate with such individuals, therefore i am glad that the majority share my opinions and views, at least enough to defend the very freedom that enables us to choose and think freely, without repercussion. I am ConservativeUnderFire and I'm damn proud to be an American in the greatest nation on earth.

    March 21st, 2008 11:26 pm ConserativeUnderFire
  18. @CUF: A long post, but out of respect I read it all. First, thank you for being willing to defend my freedom. Second, is there any way I can get you to understand that we are protesting BU$HCO, not the military? The same administration that is asking you (and my relatives) to fight and die does not support you with adequate armor or medical care. They have no real exit plan or understanding of the situation in the middle east, only the desire to keep the gulf open and keep the weapons manufacturers stock healthy.

    March 22nd, 2008 4:41 am dissolvethecorporation
  19. You all have every right to expect respect from a fellow human beings. I am greatfull to those who join our armed forces to try to help make the world a better place. However, freedom is not freedom at the cost of thousands of lives. Human life is precious and no man, no matter his cause, has the right to end the life of another. That is what we as Americans believe.

    March 22nd, 2008 6:00 pm Nicanox


    March 23rd, 2008 9:50 am elizabeth
  21. @UrbCon

    Do you mean "suitable" in that it drives home the hypocrisy of your entire argument? Sure, you are free to voice your annoyance over the war protestors ... just as they are free to voice their annoyance over the way our government has handled this war.

    Either everyone gets to bitch or no one does, and I think we can all agree that we don't want a country where no one gets to voice their thoughts. The difference here is that they are bitching about a cause they believe in (right or wrong) and you are bitching about them bitching. Sure that might also be a cause in your eyes, but one that doesn't really get us anywhere. There will always be people who want to express opinions that we don't agree with, but if that's the case we should counter with reasons why we think they are wrong .... not just rant that we don't like them and feel we are furthering the debate.

    And I think it's funny that you seem upset that I would quote "Michael Douglas" when he's just an actor performing the words written by Aaron Sorkin ... the same guy who wrote the monologue you decided the quote. Funny though that you are quoting the bad guy from the movie to support your argument. Sure it is one of the greatest movie moments ever, but Jessup is supposed to represent a leader who has let his power and authority go completely to his head.

    With any luck, UrbCon ... will have a long and prosperous career teaching typewriter maintenance at the Rocco Columbo School for Women. Thank you for playing "Should We or Should-We-Not Follow the Advice of the Galacticly Stupid".

    March 24th, 2008 7:43 am Suburban Moderate
  22. In response to that most ridicules statement Young Conservative,

    Can we first of all stop calling this a war in Iraq because that is not what it is. Congress did not declare war, therefore it is not war it is a military action.

    Second of all, Are you really any safer now that there are troops in Iraq? Do you sleep better at night thinking that what happened couldn't happen again just because we put troops in Iraq. And you call us the the ones without a clue. You and I both know that if someone really wanted to attack us, they would find a way. We are not stopping terrorists in Iraq, but rather creating them by occupying a country that is not ours.

    As to your Hitler comment, it was not the conservatives of our country who brought us into that war but rather kept us out of it. Conservatives in that era wanted noting to do with other countries problems. I suggest you study your history before making such hateful comments.

    The fact is that this is a country that was founded on the idea of a peaceful society, where all could live as they choose, believing what they choose, speaking what they choose. The Iraq's have the same rights. They don't have to like us or want to be like us. And you trying to force them only makes things worse. We were brought into this war with the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction, which we all know do not exist there. The US government went against the U.N., a group started by the U.S. that when it doesn't give the results we want, we ignore.

    No one, has the right to take human life. And we certainly don't in Iraq or anywhere in the world. This is not an eye for an eye and if you believe that thats the way it should be, then you are terrorist nad you are completely unamerican.

    March 25th, 2008 2:10 pm Nicanox
  23. "Say what you want about the war, and say what you want about the President...but when it comes down to the people who are protesting, they do not have a clue!"

    As a San Francisco-living and working- conservative, I'm not going to chime in on the rhetoric amongst you folks: I've learned to keep a tight lip here (how's that for free speech?). However, in SF, these protests are not just some concerned mothers, or peaceniks; these are professional protesters endlessly protesting anything that remotely resembles the Establishment. I've walked outside my work to see "anti-war" protests that were merely an excuse to libel Israel and support Palestinians, Tibetans, Transexuals, or anything that's anything. Check out to see the nonsensical nature of these daily excursions.

    March 25th, 2008 2:30 pm Jonathon Nierengarten
  24. With all do respect protesting is not like your 9 to 5 job, no one makes a comfortable living off protesting the issues. Your right you will see the same people at many if not all of the demonstrations, but the reason is not just to fill up our days. It's to give back. I am a law abiding hard working person like the rest of you. I pay my bills and rent, I vote and am proud to call myself an American. However, I feel that I must fight for those who do not have the luxuries I have, those who are under represented, under paid, mistreated, abused, ignored... the list can go on and on. Please enlighten me to what it is that most of you on this blog do to give back to those who have nothing. I am eager to know if I am off base here. Do you give something more then just you pocketbook? Those of you who say we help nothing, what do you do that helps then? Do you volunteer with children, do you do park cleanups, help at food kitchens or animal shelters?

    These demonstrations and protests are just one thing that we do to bring awareness to issues. If you ever attend one instead of watching from office windows, you might get the chance to see that.

    March 25th, 2008 3:59 pm Nicanox
  25. I too have been witness to the mindless protesters waiving their free Palestine/ anti Semite banners. Get a job, add to the gdp, and pay your taxes. What you don't realize is that at this point you blend into the every day workings of San Fransisco like the graffiti plastered all over your TIC. Your rhetoric reminds me of an overpaid union worker. This is an upwardly mobile/ skill based society. Let the paramedics sort them out. Why have we failed to keep pace with the skill sets of emerging countries? ....handouts.

    March 26th, 2008 7:51 am Spartan
  26. As I will guess you have not been paying attention Spartan, I will repeat myself. I am one of those thousands of protesters you say blends into the everyday workings. Obviously not well enough because its got all these conservatives riled up enough to write a blog on it. Conservatives love to talk about handouts, as if the whole world is on them. I Spartan, am a hard working citizen. I have a job, I am putting myself through collage, I pay my rent, bills,for food, for transportation. There are no homeless protesters out there. We all have jobs, homes, and lives.

    You want to talk about a skilled based society. What do you do that is so specialized and skilled that this country needs you. Do you work at a desk, in a cubicle, do you wear a suit and type memos on a computer all day. Let's then talk about the highly skilled workers who have no work like the ones in the auto industry. Highly trained skilled workers that keep you safe and looking sporty while your flying down the highway, but where are their jobs. Oh thats right, your lovely conservative president let the companies build the factories overseas, in countries where they can pay horrible wages and not get in trouble. Skill based society my ass.

    March 26th, 2008 11:23 am Nicanox
  27. over paid union worker.......huuuum, would that be better or worse than the CEO of say....KBR?

    March 26th, 2008 8:45 pm davidwwalters
  28. Breaking News! Code Pink to hold a demonstration in Berkley!

    You see the Daily Show making fun of them? Classic.

    March 30th, 2008 2:52 pm HappyWarrior
  29. I'm sorry Nicanox, I have just now awakened from the coma your verbal diarrhea put me in. Your so called skilled nuts on bolts jobs that are now in China, Mexico, and India were pushed out by your toothless, over paid, union workers you seem to support. Aside from looking great on a beach and dominating polo fields, I own your cubicle and drive over your Prius with my Escalade ESV. If you really want to see how I add to the GDP waive your flag in front of me on the streets of San Francisco.

    It only makes sense for multi nationals to set up shop over seas, they can pay less, offer 0 benefits and supply less then glamorous working conditions. Capitalism at its finest. Being originally from a city dominated by manufacturing, I know way too many people that brag of their union days. Days that consist of playing cards, watching tv, and gambling on horse races while making 65/hr.

    April 21st, 2008 6:31 pm Spartan
  30. Amen, sistah, amen.

    April 22nd, 2008 6:52 am Jonathon Nierengarten

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